And...how many of those in the SW Baltimore neighboorhood have even seen the Internet, much less participated in discussions like these?
What's most disturbing is that all technological advances -- those that people like us on Slashdot don't even think twice about -- seem to widen the gap between wealthy and poor. Whether it's access to the 'Net, or genetically engineering your offspring, only those wealthy enough will reap the benefits.
George Orwell's description of the 'Proles' in 1984 seems more apt today than ever.
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Check out the Slackware Advocacy (beta) web site. Here are your reasons:
As an ardent Slack user since 3.0 (kernel 1.1.12), I love Slackware! It's great to see the glibc support rolled in. Unlike RHAT, SuSE (I've tried both), Slackware is solid and reliable.
Many people that I know switched from Slackware to RHAT to be able to run Oracle. All of those who switched say that as soon as Slack is glibc based, they'll switch back!
I wonder how many other users will switch back to the most stable Linux distribution around?
I totally agree. This isn't China (I used to say "This isn't Russia") -- the point is that we still live in a free country (thank God). Thus, you are able to choose your path.
Obviously money is most important to you. Why else would you sacrifice your health for "two times the national salary"? But, because you felt the need to whine on Slashdot, you must be growing weary. If you are tired of poor health, then DO something about it! You appear to be a capable person. Use that capability to strive for a better life!
I used to work in a sweatshop -- not as a sysadmin, but as a programmer. No, I didn't work 80 hours a week. But I worked enough to worry about work when I wasn't there. It was not worth it, so I left. Now, I work for a larger company, get paid more, and have every other Friday off (not vacation time). I finally realized that money and power do not equal happiness...
Well, there is one HUGE difference between MySQL and Oracle. The "developers" of mySQL don't think that Foreign Keys (FKs) are needed in a relational database. They expect the database developer to do all the work of preserving parent-child data relationships. Rubbish if you ask me. Oracle, of course, has FKs.
Now, if you're developing a 3 table app for your mom's web site, then by all means don't waste your money on Oracle -- it's too expensive and mySQL will work just fine.
Err... I am an Oracle (and Java) developer and have been one for the past 4 years (Java 1 year). In my shop (a fortune 400 company), we are dying to get the new Oracle 8i in production because we want the new features.
I agree that most database developers do not understand the power that you can get from the features in Oracle 8i. These features are mostly do to the integration of Java. Finally, one can store objects (real objects, not stored procedures or nested tables) in the database. The result is that you can publish your Java database interface to the SQL engine. Then you can do stuff like "select object from database". They [Oracle] have combined the power of objects with the speed and proven robustness of a relational database.
The fact is that most database developers are not trained in object-oriented analysis and design (OOA/OOD). Unlike procedural programming, such as in C, COBOL, BASIC, or Oracle PL-SQL, object-oriented programming is more complex and cannot be mastered in a few years.
IMHO, Oracle has advanced RDBMS technology to a new level. In a couple of years, as database developers are trained in OOA/OOD, you'll find some amazing things happening.
Err, I guess the fact that slackware has Gimp and Netscape and KDE and Apache and QT and glibc run time support means that slackware "has not kept up".
This is old news (like 4 years). I heard this same hypothesis when I completed my MS in Botany in 1995!
This is so off topic for slashdot because 99% of the idiots who read this site don't know enought about genetics or biology or ecology to make it a worthwhile discussion. P.S. Even with a MS in Botany, I don't think I have enough knowledge to contribute to a worthwhile discussion!
Thank God that some one besides the Free Software Foundation is picking up the torch to explain the (IMHO) major differences between OSI and Free Software.
I, too, thought that the OSI was a "good thing". That is until folks like Digital Creations are starting to twist free software in to purely a profit making endeavor. They happen to be the first blatant example, but not the last, I am afraid. (See my letter to the editor for Feb 11, 1999 issue of Linux Weekly News for further explaination.
I share in Bruce Parens belief that
The Open Source certification mark has already been abused in ways I find unconscionable and that I will not abide.
I work with Solaris now. Although the 64 bit features and SMP features are compelling, Linux will completely dominate Solaris when intel's merced chip is released!
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And...how many of those in the SW Baltimore neighboorhood have even seen the Internet, much less participated in discussions like these?
What's most disturbing is that all technological advances -- those that people like us on Slashdot don't even think twice about -- seem to widen the gap between wealthy and poor. Whether it's access to the 'Net, or genetically engineering your offspring, only those wealthy enough will reap the benefits.
George Orwell's description of the 'Proles' in 1984 seems more apt today than ever.
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Check out the Slackware Advocacy (beta) web site. Here are your reasons:
Actually, the glibc run times have been included in the Slack distribution since Slack 3.6
As an ardent Slack user since 3.0 (kernel 1.1.12), I love Slackware! It's great to see the glibc support rolled in. Unlike RHAT, SuSE (I've tried both), Slackware is solid and reliable.
Many people that I know switched from Slackware to RHAT to be able to run Oracle. All of those who switched say that as soon as Slack is glibc based, they'll switch back!
I wonder how many other users will switch back to the most stable Linux distribution around?
dude-
back away from the 3rd person references to yourself...
who are you? Dennis Rodman? Mike Tyson?
I totally agree. This isn't China (I used to say "This isn't Russia") -- the point is that we still live in a free country (thank God). Thus, you are able to choose your path.
Obviously money is most important to you. Why else would you sacrifice your health for "two times the national salary"? But, because you felt the need to whine on Slashdot, you must be growing weary. If you are tired of poor health, then DO something about it! You appear to be a capable person. Use that capability to strive for a better life!
I used to work in a sweatshop -- not as a sysadmin, but as a programmer. No, I didn't work 80 hours a week. But I worked enough to worry about work when I wasn't there. It was not worth it, so I left. Now, I work for a larger company, get paid more, and have every other Friday off (not vacation time). I finally realized that money and power do not equal happiness...
Good luck!
BACK AWAY FROM THE CRACK PIPE!
Well, there is one HUGE difference between MySQL and Oracle. The "developers" of mySQL don't think that Foreign Keys (FKs) are needed in a relational database. They expect the database developer to do all the work of preserving parent-child data relationships. Rubbish if you ask me. Oracle, of course, has FKs.
Now, if you're developing a 3 table app for your mom's web site, then by all means don't waste your money on Oracle -- it's too expensive and mySQL will work just fine.
Err... I am an Oracle (and Java) developer and have been one for the past 4 years (Java 1 year). In my shop (a fortune 400 company), we are dying to get the new Oracle 8i in production because we want the new features.
I agree that most database developers do not understand the power that you can get from the features in Oracle 8i. These features are mostly do to the integration of Java. Finally, one can store objects (real objects, not stored procedures or nested tables) in the database. The result is that you can publish your Java database interface to the SQL engine. Then you can do stuff like "select object from database". They [Oracle] have combined the power of objects with the speed and proven robustness of a relational database.
The fact is that most database developers are not trained in object-oriented analysis and design (OOA/OOD). Unlike procedural programming, such as in C, COBOL, BASIC, or Oracle PL-SQL, object-oriented programming is more complex and cannot be mastered in a few years.
IMHO, Oracle has advanced RDBMS technology to a new level. In a couple of years, as database developers are trained in OOA/OOD, you'll find some amazing things happening.
Best of all, you can do it on your Linux box!
Err, I guess the fact that slackware has Gimp and Netscape and KDE and Apache and QT and glibc run time support means that slackware "has not kept up".
That is a good point which I hadn't considered before...
This is old news (like 4 years). I heard this same hypothesis when I completed my MS in Botany in 1995!
This is so off topic for slashdot because 99% of the idiots who read this site don't know enought about genetics or biology or ecology to make it a worthwhile discussion. P.S. Even with a MS in Botany, I don't think I have enough knowledge to contribute to a worthwhile discussion!
Hey CmdrTaco! Why doesn't this guy get his post deleted?
Can I get a witness from the congregation?
Thank God that some one besides the Free Software Foundation is picking up the torch to explain the (IMHO) major differences between OSI and Free Software.
I, too, thought that the OSI was a "good thing". That is until folks like Digital Creations are starting to twist free software in to purely a profit making endeavor. They happen to be the first blatant example, but not the last, I am afraid. (See my letter to the editor for Feb 11, 1999 issue of Linux Weekly News for further explaination.
I share in Bruce Parens belief that
I like Slackware better.
Besides, how great can the Inforworld Award be if the same company keeps getting it?
I think it's cool that Compaq put up a "community" page that describes DEC/Compaq's historical contributions to the Linux Community (tm).
I work with Solaris now. Although the 64 bit features and SMP features are compelling, Linux will completely dominate Solaris when intel's merced chip is released!
Linux Today had this last week!