they enable readers to skip past many of the ad banners and cripple the targetted site's
revenue stream -- in effect, they're stealing VoodooExtreme's interview.
Wrongo.
You are so incredibly negative. Do you ever have any_damn_thing positive to say?
Did you even go to the page and read the interview?
Gaming sites have ads on every page, including interviews.
I would say that slashdot actually generated some revenue for voodooextreme by sending people to that interview.
No replayability?!!
Go buy Worms: Armaggeddon. Go buy revolt.
Go buy Mario Golf. Go buy Bust A Move '99.
Go buy Mario Kart 64.
These games are all really fun multiplayer. For singleplayer you can omit a few, they will get old.
Ah, didn't know this. I very seriously doubt that their linux drivers will ever be better than their windows drivers. They have awesome windows drivers. Not until linux is their target platform will their drivers be better in linux than windows. Just because it plays quake fast doesn't mean its full featured. Although for now thats all i'm looking for. I guess my next card will be a geforce.
But then again, ID Software built a distribution channel with the shareware release of Wolfenstein 3D, and moved themselves into the big leagues with Doom. There are a bunch of home-grown Linux games out there.
I can think of a somewhat practical example. Has anyone ever heard of or played the game worms? If that came out first for linux, and built up steam, it would turn out great for the linux community and commercially. They could waste time doing a windows port if they felt like it, but the point is some people would go, "hey, another reason to switch to linux" and would install it just to play.
Other companies would notice this and say, "a killer game for linux, without a windows port....uh, i didn't know linux could serve as a gaming platform" (what do you think is powering PS2? I may be wrong, but last I heard, it was embedded linux. Also i head that the development workstations are also running linux.
I bought Quake3 for Linux. I know a couple of people who purposedly waited for the Linux version to pop up and bought that version, in the express purpose of proving that linux users will buy commercial software, and entertainment at that. The second reason is because they all liked what Carmack has done with the linux community, as well as the open source community. GPL'd quake/doom anyone?
Aside from first person shooters, what other games are being developed for more than one platform? Not many. This is partially because geeks like quake (a lot, myself included). Another is because id started the tradition of porting FPS to unix with xdoom. They continue to port to linux, and have forced their competition to port their FPS' to linux (Unreal was the first real competitor, duke didn't have a GL driver or any good mods).
Now that loki has started to port games other than FPS' to linux, developers will notice that the games do sell. Prediction: a popular/influential gaming house will release a non-fps game on multiple platforms and its competitors will need to do the same to compete. It will spread like this...maybe.
Another point is that if developers develop games for MacOS X, you would think that the transition to linux/unix wouldn't be as different than win32->linux or win32->MacOS X.
I continue to watch hopefully. This year's E3 hosted games which started developing before loki had many games out for linux. I predict that next year's E3 will have a few games with linux ports, and the year after that, it will boom (linux will have good 3D by then for sure).
Anyone agree with any part of this?
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Ah, I fell prey to the marketing. Now that I think about it, I don't recall the mentioning of the form factor, but i do recall seeing some with the riser cards. As for the 70 for a pentium pro Check pricewatch. 20 bucks for a PPRO133.
A large part of the problem is the lack of the machines, but I'm just trying to say that its not impossible to build a cheap one. Of course they will use shared memory instead of a crossbar scheme which will deem it utterly useless in the end (for most things at least).
Another reason (not problem) about this is the lack of demand. How many 6+cpu boxes do you have laying around? i don't have any.
In my opinion, there should be less attention payed and less complaining about the scalability of linux with greater than 4 processors. If you ask me, if you can afford an Origin2000, you can afford Irix, or if you can afford one of these multialpha monsters, you can afford Tru64.
I think that the workstation/pc aspects of the kernel should be worked on and worked on some more and them polished before concentration of upwards scaling. We still need better AGP, usb, firewire, a stable, widely tested journaling FS among other things (these are just the top of my wishlist). All of these things, in some form or another, but are far from being feature complete _and_ stable.
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Uh, why must these be cutting edge smp boxen?
Go to ebay, you can find 8way pentium pro boards for like 200 bucks. Thats not atmospheric and not a lot has changed in the board design since then, that is, its still shared memory bandwidth. As we saw with the 820 chipset, Intel can't handle anything other than their old designs with marginally faster busses.
You are correct that there is 3d acceleration in linux. Matrox G200/400. Voodoo3 and to a lesser degree, nvidia. There is one pro card out there from Evans & Sutherland, but it is $500. The Matrox drivers are somewhat fast, but not mature at all. The V3 drivers were, until now, the most mature, and work flawlessly with Xfree4 DRI. They do not do 32bit rendering.
The 230 has flawless and very fast 3d acceleration.
The 230 is a supported platform.
Did I mention how fast the 3d is?
You must realize that you cannot expect to pay for only the hardware on this system. It has been optimized and has incredible software to go with it. I, personally, have waited patiently for this day, and am now saving up to buy one of these.
The geforce2 isn't a whole lot faster than a geforceDDR.
The higher end models use a tweaked geforce2.
Games do not measure 3d capability. They measure the ability to push lit, shaded relatively simple polygons with small textures. Compare this to what A pro card can do and you'd crap yourself. Why do you think that framerate is everything? If you want a linux game machine, go get a PC and put in a voodoo3 and install xfree 4. If you want incredibly fast and flawless OpenGL, want an incredibly reliable and stable workstation, and want to play the occasional quake3 (at very high framerates), then this is what you want.
I believe that affected == propogated the worm in this instance. According to you, anyone reading slashdot is affected because they know about it and its wasting their time. In my opinion, the only way that the average linux user would be affected is if s/he got an email from somebody that used outlook. Nobody running linux/unix/macos/anythingbutwindows/ propogated the virus unless they forwarded the mail for some stupid reason.
Email viruses are usually started and propagated through the use of things such as script attachments and scripts in the mail. These things only affect people who run as superusers, ie., if you are a user on a multiuser system, it can't mess up your computer because your accound doesn't have the priveledges. Why can't the press see that since unix and linux are multiuser systems that these sorts of things cannot and do not affect them. Another interesting aspect is the security holes are created by the ability to have very rich emails with embedded script and html. At what point should the line be drawn? How many features is too many features? I think that email should be email. Just text, if you want to attach things, thats fine. I don't think anything should be embedded. If you want to send something in html, its so much more efficient to send a link (which uses much less bandwidth as well).
Sprint Claims they have the largest/digital/ network.
There are larger networks; there are larger networks that can do digital, but not larger all digital networks. If you live near a major highway or metropolitan area, you are on their network. I have sprintPCS and i'm quite happy. They have local and national plans that beat the pants off the competition, at least for now. The most popular plans are $50/500minutes national or $75/1000. If you add $15 you can share that airtime with another phone. If you add $10 you can use the airtime for either wireless web or talking. Its great if you get stuck in a traffic jam and wonder whats goin down on slashdot while you're stuck. I think Horizon Wireless (Nextel + Bell Atlantic merger) is an up and coming candidate. At this time, Sprint can claim the largest/All Digital/ network.
Why do the bad ones suck... well to put it in the words of PC/Computing "Computers in the language of business" Exactly, they weren't written for us, we aren't the target, the targets are their peers, people looking for what to invest in...sheep basically... The closest mainstream magazines i'll even touch... 1)C'T but its in german... 2)remember Boot? -i loved that mag...but they grew and are a little more business than computer mag now... they have changed to #3 after acquiring home pc's resources 3)Maximum PC...pretty good... but their staff is no more knowledgible than I or any other slashdot reader... 4)anything ZD sucks. period. I won't read that trash. They gave linux a D for stability and a D for performance...that isn't why i read it, but the fact that they didn't back any of that up, those are arbitrary, that makes me angry, they probably didn't even setup linux, they just printed it because they knew that linux is now a buzzword... Now i'm pissed, can't think while pissed...
(i go to the same school) Not only that, but every machine that boots NT boots Red Hat 6.0 as well and each of those have AFS as well its all part of UMBC's Universal Computing Environment So we are not at all stuck with microsoft, eventually, i believe umbc will migrate all the irix's (which have novell and OS-X and solaris in there) will migrate to linux, because SGI is abandoning Irix for linux...
Slashdot Mirror
they enable readers to skip past many of the ad banners and cripple the targetted site's
revenue stream -- in effect, they're stealing VoodooExtreme's interview.
Wrongo.
You are so incredibly negative. Do you ever have any_damn_thing positive to say?
Did you even go to the page and read the interview?
Gaming sites have ads on every page, including interviews.
I would say that slashdot actually generated some revenue for voodooextreme by sending people to that interview.
SRAM == Static RAM
SRAM is what pentium2's and the like use for cache because its so damn fast.
Gets hot tho.
No replayability?!! Go buy Worms: Armaggeddon. Go buy revolt. Go buy Mario Golf. Go buy Bust A Move '99. Go buy Mario Kart 64. These games are all really fun multiplayer. For singleplayer you can omit a few, they will get old.
Since when was the ability to antialias fonts useless.
Why is being able to see the code in the background of your running app useless?
Has anyone ever heard of or plaed the game worms? If that came out first for linux, and built up steam....
I never said it was a linux game, i said that if it had come out for linux, it would have caused a stir.
Ah, didn't know this. I very seriously doubt that their linux drivers will ever be better than their windows drivers. They have awesome windows drivers. Not until linux is their target platform will their drivers be better in linux than windows. Just because it plays quake fast doesn't mean its full featured. Although for now thats all i'm looking for. I guess my next card will be a geforce.
I can think of a somewhat practical example. Has anyone ever heard of or played the game worms? If that came out first for linux, and built up steam, it would turn out great for the linux community and commercially. They could waste time doing a windows port if they felt like it, but the point is some people would go, "hey, another reason to switch to linux" and would install it just to play.
Other companies would notice this and say, "a killer game for linux, without a windows port....uh, i didn't know linux could serve as a gaming platform" (what do you think is powering PS2? I may be wrong, but last I heard, it was embedded linux. Also i head that the development workstations are also running linux.
I bought Quake3 for Linux. I know a couple of people who purposedly waited for the Linux version to pop up and bought that version, in the express purpose of proving that linux users will buy commercial software, and entertainment at that. The second reason is because they all liked what Carmack has done with the linux community, as well as the open source community. GPL'd quake/doom anyone?
Aside from first person shooters, what other games are being developed for more than one platform? Not many. This is partially because geeks like quake (a lot, myself included). Another is because id started the tradition of porting FPS to unix with xdoom. They continue to port to linux, and have forced their competition to port their FPS' to linux (Unreal was the first real competitor, duke didn't have a GL driver or any good mods).
Now that loki has started to port games other than FPS' to linux, developers will notice that the games do sell. Prediction: a popular/influential gaming house will release a non-fps game on multiple platforms and its competitors will need to do the same to compete. It will spread like this...maybe.
Another point is that if developers develop games for MacOS X, you would think that the transition to linux/unix wouldn't be as different than win32->linux or win32->MacOS X.
I continue to watch hopefully. This year's E3 hosted games which started developing before loki had many games out for linux. I predict that next year's E3 will have a few games with linux ports, and the year after that, it will boom (linux will have good 3D by then for sure).
Anyone agree with any part of this?
Ah, I fell prey to the marketing. Now that I think about it, I don't recall the mentioning of the form factor, but i do recall seeing some with the riser cards. As for the 70 for a pentium pro
Check pricewatch. 20 bucks for a PPRO133.
A large part of the problem is the lack of the machines, but I'm just trying to say that its not impossible to build a cheap one. Of course they will use shared memory instead of a crossbar scheme which will deem it utterly useless in the end (for most things at least).
Another reason (not problem) about this is the lack of demand. How many 6+cpu boxes do you have laying around? i don't have any.
In my opinion, there should be less attention payed and less complaining about the scalability of linux with greater than 4 processors. If you ask me, if you can afford an Origin2000, you can afford Irix, or if you can afford one of these multialpha monsters, you can afford Tru64.
I think that the workstation/pc aspects of the kernel should be worked on and worked on some more and them polished before concentration of upwards scaling. We still need better AGP, usb, firewire, a stable, widely tested journaling FS among other things (these are just the top of my wishlist). All of these things, in some form or another, but are far from being feature complete _and_ stable.
Uh, why must these be cutting edge smp boxen?
Go to ebay, you can find 8way pentium pro boards for like 200 bucks. Thats not atmospheric and not a lot has changed in the board design since then, that is, its still shared memory bandwidth. As we saw with the 820 chipset, Intel can't handle anything other than their old designs with marginally faster busses.
Yes.
You are missing a bit.
You are correct that there is 3d acceleration in linux. Matrox G200/400. Voodoo3 and to a lesser degree, nvidia. There is one pro card out there from Evans & Sutherland, but it is $500. The Matrox drivers are somewhat fast, but not mature at all. The V3 drivers were, until now, the most mature, and work flawlessly with Xfree4 DRI. They do not do 32bit rendering.
The 230 has flawless and very fast 3d acceleration.
The 230 is a supported platform.
Did I mention how fast the 3d is?
You must realize that you cannot expect to pay for only the hardware on this system. It has been optimized and has incredible software to go with it. I, personally, have waited patiently for this day, and am now saving up to buy one of these.
At least not now or anytime soon.
The 230 has a tweaked geforce.
The geforce2 isn't a whole lot faster than a geforceDDR.
The higher end models use a tweaked geforce2.
Games do not measure 3d capability. They measure the ability to push lit, shaded relatively simple polygons with small textures. Compare this to what A pro card can do and you'd crap yourself. Why do you think that framerate is everything?
If you want a linux game machine, go get a PC and put in a voodoo3 and install xfree 4. If you want incredibly fast and flawless OpenGL, want an incredibly reliable and stable workstation, and want to play the occasional quake3 (at very high framerates), then this is what you want.
I believe that affected == propogated the worm in this instance. According to you, anyone reading slashdot is affected because they know about it and its wasting their time. In my opinion, the only way that the average linux user would be affected is if s/he got an email from somebody that used outlook.
Nobody running linux/unix/macos/anythingbutwindows/ propogated the virus unless they forwarded the mail for some stupid reason.
My opinions.
Email viruses are usually started and propagated through the use of things such as script attachments and scripts in the mail. These things only affect people who run as superusers, ie., if you are a user on a multiuser system, it can't mess up your computer because your accound doesn't have the priveledges. Why can't the press see that since unix and linux are multiuser systems that these sorts of things cannot and do not affect them.
Another interesting aspect is the security holes are created by the ability to have very rich emails with embedded script and html. At what point should the line be drawn? How many features is too many features? I think that email should be email. Just text, if you want to attach things, thats fine. I don't think anything should be embedded. If you want to send something in html, its so much more efficient to send a link (which uses much less bandwidth as well).
Just some thoughts.
Sprint Claims they have the largest
There are larger networks; there are larger networks that can do digital, but not larger all digital networks. If you live near a major highway or metropolitan area, you are on their network. I have sprintPCS and i'm quite happy. They have local and national plans that beat the pants off the competition, at least for now. The most popular plans are $50/500minutes national or $75/1000. If you add $15 you can share that airtime with another phone. If you add $10 you can use the airtime for either wireless web or talking. Its great if you get stuck in a traffic jam and wonder whats goin down on slashdot while you're stuck.
I think Horizon Wireless (Nextel + Bell Atlantic merger) is an up and coming candidate.
At this time, Sprint can claim the largest
Why do the bad ones suck...
well to put it in the words of PC/Computing
"Computers in the language of business"
Exactly, they weren't written for us, we aren't the target, the targets are their peers, people looking for what to invest in...sheep basically...
The closest mainstream magazines i'll even touch...
1)C'T but its in german...
2)remember Boot?
-i loved that mag...but they grew and are a little more business than computer mag now...
they have changed to #3 after acquiring home pc's resources
3)Maximum PC...pretty good... but their staff is no more knowledgible than I or any other slashdot reader...
4)anything ZD sucks. period. I won't read that trash. They gave linux a D for stability and a D for performance...that isn't why i read it, but the fact that they didn't back any of that up, those are arbitrary, that makes me angry, they probably didn't even setup linux, they just printed it because they knew that linux is now a buzzword...
Now i'm pissed, can't think while pissed...
(i go to the same school)
Not only that, but every machine that boots NT boots Red Hat 6.0 as well
and each of those have AFS as well
its all part of UMBC's
Universal Computing Environment
So we are not at all stuck with microsoft, eventually, i believe umbc will migrate all the irix's (which have novell and OS-X and solaris in there) will migrate to linux, because SGI is abandoning Irix for linux...
My $0.02
Mike
(mshobe1@nospam.umbc.edu