I like some apple hardware. I'm really happy about OS X and hope apple will release it for x86 or ia32 or whatever its called now and windows will disappear.
But i still hate the cube. The boss where i used to work was a mac zealot and thought the cube was so cool. It overheated and locked up at least 2 times a day and it started to crack on the top. He would always pretend like he couldn't see the crack.
If you think that the standard out is the best you can get you are mistaken. Why do you think that the highest grade dvd players don't have them? Its because the wires are too thin and can have cross talk. This is eliminated by using component video in and out. Which sgi's have and apples do not. Ever see a monitor out on a television? Its unbearable.
Ati's Allin wonder doesn't have component, svideo and composite video in and out, and can't handle uncompressed video. Uncompressed video has a very very high data rate. Not to mention variable hardware compression ratios which are all real-time. As you go up higher and higher, you can compress multiple streams at the same time in real-time as well.
For more information go to http://www.sgi.com/peripherals/workstations_periph erals.html
Don't forget the nobs and dials:)
Also, check out the awesome Onyx2
up to 256GB of ram 256 mb of texture memory and it can do 6.4_Billion_pixels a second. 16 pipelines and not to mention fullscreen hdtv antialiasing in real-time.
I wasn't going either way, i was saying that if it did, then it would make a decent workstation.
Thats more of a server thing than a workstation thing i guess.
When it all comes down to it, it is what you use it for that makes it a workstation. If i have a linux box that i play games on only, then it isn't a workstation. It has potential, but it isn't.
Ever hear of anybody doing any 3d modelling on a mac? And zealots don't count.
Seriously, they have been behind the curve for quite some time. The cards aren't as fast at 2d as say a matrox g200 which is 3 years old. But i will admit that all their cards will drive any of their monitors quite well.
As far as cpu goes, they've always been ahead of the pack with IBM/motorola. Intel sucks and AMD sucks less when compared to the G4. I'd still pick up a thunderbird with ddr-ram over an apple because of the cost.
Intel tried to make something like altivec time and time again and can't seem to do anything with it. First it was mmx, then ssimd or somethign and i heard something about mmx2. Anyways, anything really make use of these? Maybe but do people ever notice a difference, no.
Dude, you can get octane's for the price of a mac on ebay, not to mention O2's. Then again, the software might be a little expensive. I dind't know you were a startup. But i wish you the best so you can get the workstation you really deserve:).
Also, i didn't realize this was an internet thing... If this were a television thing a mac would certainly not do, but if its internet, its fine:)
Anyways, check out ebay sometime, they've got people selling O2's and Octane's and the ocassional onyx or onyx2. But those start to get expensive even on ebay and do stuff that you don't need to do like edit multiple streams of uncompressed analog video non-linearly at the same time and anti-aliasing while rendering effects, etc.
Yea, you can replace it. But how many people who use macs have ever compiled somethign before.
They're used to getting a nice graphical installer where they click install and it does everyhthing then they click finish/done .
My point is the default shell is not so hot.
True people like sun use tcsh by default (last i heard) but people who use suns generally have at least some experience...or at least a sysadmin who will do it for them.
Yea, i deal with this...but most of the time the client doesn't know what their IP address is let alone their login. But after i explain to them that they can connect to their server as if it were right beside them and their monitor was hooked up to it, they are so amazed. They ask if this is a special package we installed. Its hard for them to believe coming from a windows or mac background that you can have remote access to a comptuer without buying new software.
Although everybody thinks pine and mutt are arcane. But you can see them from anywhere.
Webmail sucks, so they usually go back to pine.
She says she likes the look and feel. if you install Xfree86, that would defeat the purpose.
So, to answer your question, you'll have to wait until there's an OS 10 (x, or whatever) version, which there will be eventually. But don't forget the drawback, youhave to buy apple hardware. $$$
You can do anything in the shell and do it well.
And there's nothing stopping you from running the shells in X.
Unix would be poop without the shell.
Ok, not poop, but just a stable windows.
Ok, a hell of a lot better than that
but it wouldn't be as cool and powerful.
The more you use unix the more you appreciate the shell.
And stop calling it command line, thats a windows thing.
My mother can handle window maker better than apple or windows. I just eliminated all the choices she doesn't need to make. To get on the internet she clicks the red dot and when it turns green she double clicks on the "globe" icon.
Simple enough.
Check out gnome or kde.
Thats the idea, to make unix easier to use and make you more productive.
Its not completely false, this technology is in an american consumer device already. I can think of 2 of them.
There is a motorola timeport with a 3 color Organic Electro Luminescent display available now at http://commerce.motorola.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/Pr oductDisplay?prrfnbr=217948&prmenbr=126&phone_cgrf nbr=1&zipcode=
The other is a pioneer car stereo head unit. It does 3d and stuff. Check it out at their site. I prefer traditional stereo displays, which are dot matrix and just show Time, Track disc, etc...i don't need visualization.
I'm glad to see that SGI has not tried to do anything to stop or hinder the mesa3d project. SGI has allowed him to succeed where others have hindered. Anyone remember 3dfx getting pissed off when creative labs made a glide wrapper for their tnt card?
As i have heard, SGI has done nothing but help this guy and the project. I'm very glad to see that.
Chalk another one up for sgi.
Sure it looks cool and has a nice animated interface, but the most important feature to me seems to be the least important to whoever makes sonique. That would be playlisting and playlist control. Xmms has the best playlisting yet that I know of. Playlisting is the most important thing about an mp3 player.
I'm unexcited, but i'll try it and i hope that sonique 2 has great playlist support.
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I like some apple hardware. I'm really happy about OS X and hope apple will release it for x86 or ia32 or whatever its called now and windows will disappear.
But i still hate the cube. The boss where i used to work was a mac zealot and thought the cube was so cool. It overheated and locked up at least 2 times a day and it started to crack on the top. He would always pretend like he couldn't see the crack.
Ok.
h erals.html
:)
If you think that the standard out is the best you can get you are mistaken. Why do you think that the highest grade dvd players don't have them? Its because the wires are too thin and can have cross talk. This is eliminated by using component video in and out. Which sgi's have and apples do not. Ever see a monitor out on a television? Its unbearable.
Ati's Allin wonder doesn't have component, svideo and composite video in and out, and can't handle uncompressed video. Uncompressed video has a very very high data rate. Not to mention variable hardware compression ratios which are all real-time. As you go up higher and higher, you can compress multiple streams at the same time in real-time as well.
For more information go to http://www.sgi.com/peripherals/workstations_perip
Don't forget the nobs and dials
Also, check out the awesome Onyx2
up to 256GB of ram 256 mb of texture memory and it can do 6.4_Billion_pixels a second. 16 pipelines and not to mention fullscreen hdtv antialiasing in real-time.
Ok, enough, i think you get the idea.
I didn't say it was a bad thing, i'm saying they won't be able to handle compiling and installing the standard unix way.
Twist my words some more!
Cool. Glad to hear it.
Didn't mean to say that that it wasn't and that OS X was a toy.
Just getting used to people refer to their mac's as workstations is gonna sound weird, thats all.
I wasn't going either way, i was saying that if it did, then it would make a decent workstation.
Thats more of a server thing than a workstation thing i guess.
When it all comes down to it, it is what you use it for that makes it a workstation. If i have a linux box that i play games on only, then it isn't a workstation. It has potential, but it isn't.
Who said anything about games?
Ever hear of anybody doing any 3d modelling on a mac? And zealots don't count.
Seriously, they have been behind the curve for quite some time. The cards aren't as fast at 2d as say a matrox g200 which is 3 years old. But i will admit that all their cards will drive any of their monitors quite well.
As far as cpu goes, they've always been ahead of the pack with IBM/motorola. Intel sucks and AMD sucks less when compared to the G4. I'd still pick up a thunderbird with ddr-ram over an apple because of the cost.
Intel tried to make something like altivec time and time again and can't seem to do anything with it. First it was mmx, then ssimd or somethign and i heard something about mmx2. Anyways, anything really make use of these? Maybe but do people ever notice a difference, no.
Dude, until just now, the graphics were old.
Rage128 is hardly a powerhouse anymore.
Nor was it last year.
But the g4 is nice...and Altivec is the supercomputer part. But only if the software was written to take advantage of it.
yea.
No, the tv out is made so you can hook it up to a studio monitor. Apple makes no claim that the ntsc output is suitable for broadcast.
True, it is a lot better than most pc video output, but cannot touch one of sgi's broadcast machines for output quality.
Ever see a weather report? Thats directly out of an sgi O2. Those aren't expensive at all. The software is of course.
eya.
Dude, you can get octane's for the price of a mac on ebay, not to mention O2's. Then again, the software might be a little expensive. I dind't know you were a startup. But i wish you the best so you can get the workstation you really deserve :).
:)
Also, i didn't realize this was an internet thing... If this were a television thing a mac would certainly not do, but if its internet, its fine
Anyways, check out ebay sometime, they've got people selling O2's and Octane's and the ocassional onyx or onyx2. But those start to get expensive even on ebay and do stuff that you don't need to do like edit multiple streams of uncompressed analog video non-linearly at the same time and anti-aliasing while rendering effects, etc.
Yea, you can replace it. But how many people who use macs have ever compiled somethign before.
They're used to getting a nice graphical installer where they click install and it does everyhthing then they click finish/done .
My point is the default shell is not so hot.
True people like sun use tcsh by default (last i heard) but people who use suns generally have at least some experience...or at least a sysadmin who will do it for them.
Ok, so its available, which is no surprise, its very portable, runs on every unix and apple even uses gcc standard on os X
BUT! they do not include it.
Probably because it wasn't the default shell on 4.4bsd or something.
Or maybe they're all used to it or somethign
I dunno.
Yea, i deal with this...but most of the time the client doesn't know what their IP address is let alone their login. But after i explain to them that they can connect to their server as if it were right beside them and their monitor was hooked up to it, they are so amazed. They ask if this is a special package we installed. Its hard for them to believe coming from a windows or mac background that you can have remote access to a comptuer without buying new software.
Although everybody thinks pine and mutt are arcane. But you can see them from anywhere.
Webmail sucks, so they usually go back to pine.
_ramblings_
She says she likes the look and feel. if you install Xfree86, that would defeat the purpose.
So, to answer your question, you'll have to wait until there's an OS 10 (x, or whatever) version, which there will be eventually. But don't forget the drawback, youhave to buy apple hardware. $$$
The shell is not garbage. Eat your words.!
It is an unassuming power tool chest.
You can do anything in the shell and do it well.
And there's nothing stopping you from running the shells in X.
Unix would be poop without the shell.
Ok, not poop, but just a stable windows.
Ok, a hell of a lot better than that
but it wouldn't be as cool and powerful.
The more you use unix the more you appreciate the shell.
And stop calling it command line, thats a windows thing.
Ever used their command line?
Not the best.
My mother can handle window maker better than apple or windows. I just eliminated all the choices she doesn't need to make. To get on the internet she clicks the red dot and when it turns green she double clicks on the "globe" icon.
Simple enough.
Check out gnome or kde.
Thats the idea, to make unix easier to use and make you more productive.
www.gnome.org
www.kde.org
Yea looks like a great site.
unfortunately, you are using a version of netscape that is not supported.
this site looks best in Internet Explorer.
if you must use netscape, please use netscape 6.
They have a linux workstation with True OpenGL in hardware using an nvidia Geforce II or Geforce2 quadro.
Not that expensive either.
Ok, the suject is a little misleading.
r oductDisplay?prrfnbr=217948&prmenbr=126&phone_cgrf nbr=1&zipcode=
But it got you to read this, didn't it?
Its not completely false, this technology is in an american consumer device already. I can think of 2 of them.
There is a motorola timeport with a 3 color Organic Electro Luminescent display available now at http://commerce.motorola.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/P
The other is a pioneer car stereo head unit. It does 3d and stuff. Check it out at their site. I prefer traditional stereo displays, which are dot matrix and just show Time, Track disc, etc...i don't need visualization.
I'm glad to see that SGI has not tried to do anything to stop or hinder the mesa3d project. SGI has allowed him to succeed where others have hindered. Anyone remember 3dfx getting pissed off when creative labs made a glide wrapper for their tnt card?
As i have heard, SGI has done nothing but help this guy and the project. I'm very glad to see that.
Chalk another one up for sgi.
They are releasing binary only.
Where's the source?
Maybe they'll make it available later?
Sorry, man, but AGP is a kernel level thing.
Just lettign you know.
DRM is a kernel thing too.
Forgot about that, huh?
GLX is the driver, but thats not a whole lot of improvement if it can't render directly.
What driver are you talking about, exactly.?
Yea.
apt-get -b source gets the source and compiles it with whatever compiler flags you like.
Handy and dandy.
OK. Being fixed.
Being is future tense, therefore...
As of right now, it still sucks.
Xmms works fine for me, i see no need
for a replacement.
Sure it looks cool and has a nice animated interface, but the most important feature to me seems to be the least important to whoever makes sonique. That would be playlisting and playlist control. Xmms has the best playlisting yet that I know of. Playlisting is the most important thing about an mp3 player. I'm unexcited, but i'll try it and i hope that sonique 2 has great playlist support.