The Start button was truly revolutionary as was the task bar. It was these revolutions that made Win95 so popular, why would any of the other desktop programs not one to include their own version of these useful features?
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It is not that they "are unable to think on a large enough scale", it is more like waiting for the next "quantum leap". These things don't happen everyday, someone will come up with the next thing eventually, that someone may work for GNOME, KDE, even Microsoft; it doesn't matter. Once that new thing is worked out and in the next release of code, the others will copy it (even/especially Microsoft).
I agree that breaking up the company is not good, but your reasons, to put it frankly, suck.
Of course there would be an Office for Linux. > it does not make commercial sense to pour development hours into making ports to other platforms There is an Office for Mac. If they are willing to port Office over to an OS that has a diminishing number of (very loyal) users, why wouldn't they make a port over to an OS that is growing everyday once they get rid of the ties to Windows?
>with the WINE project... [they would wait] for people to run Office on Linu[x] under that The Office team would not wait for Wine, because then they wouldn't be able to charge twice for it, but would still have to handle twice as many calls.
The only thing that would happen if there was a seperate Microsoft Apps Co. would be that they would monopolize all OSes instead of just two.
>a separate company for Internet Explorer..what a joke Internet Explorer could survive on it's own. It would take some luck and a lot of string pulling, though. That company could grab all of the MSN stuff, the IIS stuff, and then it would have to keep it's operating costs low for awhile. Not very likely, but possible.
>There is NO money to be made from this product Microsoft did NOT get where it is today by wasting money, if there was no money in Internet Explorer they wouldn't own it.
Microsoft OS Co. would survive the break-up but would not be quite as strong as it was before. It would suddenly get fresh competition from old foes. Solaris et al. would be taking off with it's new found support of the Microsoft Apps, who knows, IBM might even bring back OS/2 for the occasion. None of the new powerful competition will be enough to beat the namesake, though. The old Microsoft Spirit (Kill or Cheat) will come back in full. Eventually the downfall of the OS division would come not from lost customers but from reduced profits affecting the developers who would leave by the busload.
Once it's all over, a long time from now, all we will have is a defunct OS company, leaving millions with a product with no support. A dead browser. And a super-monopoly that has instilled itself on every Operating System.
I just don't see how splitting up this company is the best thing.
Wouldn't it just be great if they did what Netscape did and go open source? Then the team of people who were brave enought to look at that bloated code could decide to throw all of it away and start over! I don't, however, know what they should call themselves, IElla? NewIE? Any other suggestions?
This is the same question that is asked everytime a new technology is developed...
The same thing was said Of typing jobs when the PC came about. Of farming jobs when the tractor was invented. Of autoworkers when the robot was brought in. etc, etc, for ever...
But while at first there was a huge loss of jobs in these fields, with the exception of farming, these jobs were recouped. In all cases new jobs were created that required a higher level of skill and thus pays more. Technology does not replace jobs, it creates new jobs that require better skills.
It's not so much if it be done but that it was done. These are the type of things that we were promised would be real "in the future," and they usually said by the year 2000! We are now in the year 2000 and these things are becoming real. They are still a trivial part of society but they do exist and useful technology will spread and evolve from these meek beginnings.
>This is just another example of talking-dog phenomenon On "The Jetsons," not only did they have flying cars, robots who did housework, computers that cooked the food, and no Microsoft; they also had a dog that could talk "herro rorge."
I was just thinking one could put a virus into a source tarball as an executable file, have the Makefile call it...
Perhaps it could make it's own version of ls, or ldconfig! After the "make install" by root the virus can do anything it wants. Imagine, everytime you call ldconfig it spreads further, it would be literally impossible to repair the damage at that point.
The downside: it wouldn't take long for people to find the virus, but most people don't even bother to watch the compile screens let alone go through all of the source code files.
P.S. it would be fun and easy to release the virus in RPM format...
P.S.S. Maybe one could modify pine or sendmail to spread the virus.
The widespread distrust of American Products is not because of the encryption laws. The laws just provide a reason for Europen nations to distrust American Products, if the laws weren't in place someother reason would pop-up.
That is not to say that I believe encryption restrictions should be in place, just there is always more happening than what is being screamed about.
*ASIDE* I noticed you didn't chide him for not thinking before posting when you reposted...:)
Say I want a good Cuban Cigar (I do!). Now, why can't I get one? Because the U.S. has a total economic ban on Cuba. IIRC the United States is the only nation to have this embargo on Cuba.
>There's no point in being the only nation on this planet banning encryption export. Being alone has never stopped them before, why would it now?
The only reason Penthouse is only pursuing that one person is that they can't get any companies to help them record who is doing all of the posting. I'm sure they will they go after more people once Metallica et al. is done with their buisness.:-)
I don't pretend to believe that trading MP3s is legal, or should be. But when there are lawsuits against companies like Napster or mp3.com it outrages me. These companies are not breaking the law, they are providing a service that can be used for good or not-good.
It is legal for me (or you) to have mp3s. I have almost every one of the Beatles' songs on mp3, I also own every albulm. I made most of the mp3s myself, but occasionally I didn't have the time to make my own and I set up a program to download a copy. Is that illegal? I still own and paid for the CD. I literally have gigs of mp3s and an entire box of CDs, it's much easier for me to set up a list of songs off of xmms then on my stereo. But if they keep suing compaines that provide a mp3-related service I'm not going to be able to play those files (then what would I do with that 20gig drive?) because there will be no WinAmp or XMMS.
Fine let everybody pretect their copyrights, but I must protect my rights to use this file format!
I wasn't aware of any memory problems with Athlons.
I don't think there that many differences between the Duron and the Athlon, so I imagine that any problems you're having with an Athlon is still going to exist under a Duron.
I work for a medium sized company, I didn't recieve a single virus on my corporate email account.
However I did recieve an ILOVEYOU on the first day that I knew it was out... Someone at the company I buy computer parts from recieved one and executed it, that instance was fairly controlled, however it got to the head of wholesales, and he also executed it. I was on his email list, lucky me.
We recieved a few at the company, it didn't get spread because no one here ran it because we (the IS dept) have made them to scared of viruses over the years.
>"What Tom Clancy would write if he were smart." "if he were a geek" is better, Tom Clancy's smarter than most people I've ever read.
>a book that understands the mindset its audience will have. How can a book understand the mindset it's audience will have? If I buy this book, it will be directed to me, but every book I buy my g/f eventually reads, this book may not appeal to her. So it didn't understand the mindset of it's entire audience. Of course I understand what was meant, it is nice to see books written for geeks, but the book may not have been written to do that.
BTW> I'm sure other books have been available where you can read the first few chapters online for free before, but has there ever been an option to download the rest of the book for a nominal fee?
I know it's not the time to ask questions, but now I have new ones.
1. I see that you have gotten a lot of changes for IE5/mac, What response have you gotten from Microsoft about changes to IE5/win or IE5/*NIX?
2. When you're not getting suggestions included into Mozilla, who's objecting to them? The Mozilla Group or Netscape/AOL? Have you had good relations with both groups? And does AOL get in the way?
I was more wondering why you would want to switch systems.
Here at work I'm setting up a Linux server for each of our locations to use for sendmail and apache. Each of our machines is using Red Hat 6.2 (final) because Red Hat was easier for me to explain to my non-linux enabled co-workers.
But why would you want two of your systems to be Debian and one to be Red Hat? Wouldn't that just make it harder to figure out when something goes wrong with one of them. Personally I like to be able to look at a machine that works and compare in case I miss something.
I've never met a single IS/IT manager that wants Windows let alone any other Microsoft products. Most of them however have to spend most of their time working on their ----, patching releases, fighting viruses, alerting users not to use Clippy, etc. The reason any good Is/IT manager are using Microsoft products is because the users are too dumb to believe that there are choices.
Before you go on your rant yelling at the IT managers who >force Micro$oft products down our throats You'd better take a look around, and remember it's you who's doing the forcing of MS products.
Would you buy a AGP called S3 Virge? I did that too, of course it was the only AGP that was supported in the kernel that I could get and afford at the time.
And after that card, A Savoy Truffle would be grrrreat!
You didn't say that it was a monopoly, only that it needed MORE competition. So Oracle fits the description of a Large Unnamed Coroporation with little/no competition that could make better software.
Don't everyone get upset, I've never had any real experience with Oracle software, but everyone who makes software can make it better with time.
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What has more style than a bowtie? just wearing one makes a statement, not always a good one.
It could say "I know how to tie a bowtie" or "I am not aware of my surrondings" or "I simply don't care what you think" or "I don't believe the Net has any shape anyway" or even "Look at my bowtie"
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The Start button was truly revolutionary as was the task bar. It was these revolutions that made Win95 so popular, why would any of the other desktop programs not one to include their own version of these useful features?
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It is not that they "are unable to think on a large enough scale", it is more like waiting for the next "quantum leap". These things don't happen everyday, someone will come up with the next thing eventually, that someone may work for GNOME, KDE, even Microsoft; it doesn't matter. Once that new thing is worked out and in the next release of code, the others will copy it (even/especially Microsoft).
Devil Ducky
I agree that breaking up the company is not good, but your reasons, to put it frankly, suck.
Of course there would be an Office for Linux.
> it does not make commercial sense to pour development hours into making ports to other platforms
There is an Office for Mac. If they are willing to port Office over to an OS that has a diminishing number of (very loyal) users, why wouldn't they make a port over to an OS that is growing everyday once they get rid of the ties to Windows?
>with the WINE project... [they would wait] for people to run Office on Linu[x] under that
The Office team would not wait for Wine, because then they wouldn't be able to charge twice for it, but would still have to handle twice as many calls.
The only thing that would happen if there was a seperate Microsoft Apps Co. would be that they would monopolize all OSes instead of just two.
>a separate company for Internet Explorer..what a joke
Internet Explorer could survive on it's own. It would take some luck and a lot of string pulling, though. That company could grab all of the MSN stuff, the IIS stuff, and then it would have to keep it's operating costs low for awhile. Not very likely, but possible.
>There is NO money to be made from this product
Microsoft did NOT get where it is today by wasting money, if there was no money in Internet Explorer they wouldn't own it.
Microsoft OS Co. would survive the break-up but would not be quite as strong as it was before. It would suddenly get fresh competition from old foes. Solaris et al. would be taking off with it's new found support of the Microsoft Apps, who knows, IBM might even bring back OS/2 for the occasion. None of the new powerful competition will be enough to beat the namesake, though. The old Microsoft Spirit (Kill or Cheat) will come back in full. Eventually the downfall of the OS division would come not from lost customers but from reduced profits affecting the developers who would leave by the busload.
Once it's all over, a long time from now, all we will have is a defunct OS company, leaving millions with a product with no support. A dead browser. And a super-monopoly that has instilled itself on every Operating System.
I just don't see how splitting up this company is the best thing.
Devil Ducky
Wouldn't it just be great if they did what Netscape did and go open source? Then the team of people who were brave enought to look at that bloated code could decide to throw all of it away and start over!
I don't, however, know what they should call themselves, IElla? NewIE? Any other suggestions?
Devil Ducky
This is the same question that is asked everytime a new technology is developed...
The same thing was said
Of typing jobs when the PC came about.
Of farming jobs when the tractor was invented.
Of autoworkers when the robot was brought in.
etc, etc, for ever...
But while at first there was a huge loss of jobs in these fields, with the exception of farming, these jobs were recouped. In all cases new jobs were created that required a higher level of skill and thus pays more. Technology does not replace jobs, it creates new jobs that require better skills.
Devil Ducky
It's not so much if it be done but that it was done. These are the type of things that we were promised would be real "in the future," and they usually said by the year 2000! We are now in the year 2000 and these things are becoming real. They are still a trivial part of society but they do exist and useful technology will spread and evolve from these meek beginnings.
>This is just another example of talking-dog phenomenon
On "The Jetsons," not only did they have flying cars, robots who did housework, computers that cooked the food, and no Microsoft; they also had a dog that could talk "herro rorge."
Devil Ducky
I was just thinking one could put a virus into a source tarball as an executable file, have the Makefile call it...
Perhaps it could make it's own version of ls, or ldconfig! After the "make install" by root the virus can do anything it wants. Imagine, everytime you call ldconfig it spreads further, it would be literally impossible to repair the damage at that point.
The downside: it wouldn't take long for people to find the virus, but most people don't even bother to watch the compile screens let alone go through all of the source code files.
P.S. it would be fun and easy to release the virus in RPM format...
P.S.S. Maybe one could modify pine or sendmail to spread the virus.
Devil Ducky
The widespread distrust of American Products is not because of the encryption laws. The laws just provide a reason for Europen nations to distrust American Products, if the laws weren't in place someother reason would pop-up.
:)
That is not to say that I believe encryption restrictions should be in place, just there is always more happening than what is being screamed about.
*ASIDE* I noticed you didn't chide him for not thinking before posting when you reposted...
Devil Ducky
Say I want a good Cuban Cigar (I do!). Now, why can't I get one? Because the U.S. has a total economic ban on Cuba. IIRC the United States is the only nation to have this embargo on Cuba.
>There's no point in being the only nation on this planet banning encryption export.
Being alone has never stopped them before, why would it now?
Devil Ducky
The only reason Penthouse is only pursuing that one person is that they can't get any companies to help them record who is doing all of the posting. I'm sure they will they go after more people once Metallica et al. is done with their buisness. :-)
Devil Ducky
No Mexicos not the answer, do they even have cd-r's in mexico? At least Canada gets free internet TV :-)
Devil Ducky
I don't pretend to believe that trading MP3s is legal, or should be. But when there are lawsuits against companies like Napster or mp3.com it outrages me. These companies are not breaking the law, they are providing a service that can be used for good or not-good.
It is legal for me (or you) to have mp3s. I have almost every one of the Beatles' songs on mp3, I also own every albulm. I made most of the mp3s myself, but occasionally I didn't have the time to make my own and I set up a program to download a copy. Is that illegal? I still own and paid for the CD. I literally have gigs of mp3s and an entire box of CDs, it's much easier for me to set up a list of songs off of xmms then on my stereo. But if they keep suing compaines that provide a mp3-related service I'm not going to be able to play those files (then what would I do with that 20gig drive?) because there will be no WinAmp or XMMS.
Fine let everybody pretect their copyrights, but I must protect my rights to use this file format!
Devil Ducky
I tried to post this with this news story. It's on C|NET. They both sat pretty much the same thing.
Devil Ducky
Write your representative and tell them we dont want to move to Canada, but we will if we have to.
Devil Ducky
I wasn't aware of any memory problems with Athlons.
I don't think there that many differences between the Duron and the Athlon, so I imagine that any problems you're having with an Athlon is still going to exist under a Duron.
Devil Ducky
I work for a medium sized company, I didn't recieve a single virus on my corporate email account.
However I did recieve an ILOVEYOU on the first day that I knew it was out... Someone at the company I buy computer parts from recieved one and executed it, that instance was fairly controlled, however it got to the head of wholesales, and he also executed it. I was on his email list, lucky me.
We recieved a few at the company, it didn't get spread because no one here ran it because we (the IS dept) have made them to scared of viruses over the years.
Devil Ducky
>"What Tom Clancy would write if he were smart."
"if he were a geek" is better, Tom Clancy's smarter than most people I've ever read.
>a book that understands the mindset its audience will have.
How can a book understand the mindset it's audience will have? If I buy this book, it will be directed to me, but every book I buy my g/f eventually reads, this book may not appeal to her. So it didn't understand the mindset of it's entire audience. Of course I understand what was meant, it is nice to see books written for geeks, but the book may not have been written to do that.
BTW> I'm sure other books have been available where you can read the first few chapters online for free before, but has there ever been an option to download the rest of the book for a nominal fee?
Devil Ducky
I know it's not the time to ask questions, but now I have new ones.
1. I see that you have gotten a lot of changes for IE5/mac, What response have you gotten from Microsoft about changes to IE5/win or IE5/*NIX?
2. When you're not getting suggestions included into Mozilla, who's objecting to them? The Mozilla Group or Netscape/AOL? Have you had good relations with both groups? And does AOL get in the way?
Ok, it's more like a few questions.
Devil Ducky
I was more wondering why you would want to switch systems.
Here at work I'm setting up a Linux server for each of our locations to use for sendmail and apache. Each of our machines is using Red Hat 6.2 (final) because Red Hat was easier for me to explain to my non-linux enabled co-workers.
But why would you want two of your systems to be Debian and one to be Red Hat? Wouldn't that just make it harder to figure out when something goes wrong with one of them. Personally I like to be able to look at a machine that works and compare in case I miss something.
Is Red Hat better prepared for mySQL than Debian?
Devil Ducky
I've never met a single IS/IT manager that wants Windows let alone any other Microsoft products. Most of them however have to spend most of their time working on their ----, patching releases, fighting viruses, alerting users not to use Clippy, etc. The reason any good Is/IT manager are using Microsoft products is because the users are too dumb to believe that there are choices.
Before you go on your rant yelling at the IT managers who
>force Micro$oft products down our throats
You'd better take a look around, and remember it's you who's doing the forcing of MS products.
Devil Ducky
Devil Ducky
The ceritfication is MCSE meaning Microsoft Certified Sytems Engineer.
MSFCs are the Microsoft Foundation Classes also known as the MFCs.
I'm not sure what it's supposed to mean on routers though.
Devil Ducky
Yes, I would.
Would you buy a AGP called S3 Virge? I did that too, of course it was the only AGP that was supported in the kernel that I could get and afford at the time.
And after that card, A Savoy Truffle would be grrrreat!
Devil Ducky
You didn't say that it was a monopoly, only that it needed MORE competition. So Oracle fits the description of a Large Unnamed Coroporation with little/no competition that could make better software.
Don't everyone get upset, I've never had any real experience with Oracle software, but everyone who makes software can make it better with time.
Devil Ducky
- p0rn
It has to be on it's own, slashdot wont link to it, and we do generally care to count it. Someone had to say it. Devil DuckyDevil Ducky
Warning: Following comment typed and submitted without previous thought.
What has more style than a bowtie? just wearing one makes a statement, not always a good one.
It could say
"I know how to tie a bowtie"
or
"I am not aware of my surrondings"
or
"I simply don't care what you think"
or
"I don't believe the Net has any shape anyway"
or even
"Look at my bowtie"
See lots of style there.
Devil Ducky
Devil Ducky