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Penthouse.com Goes After Usenet Posters
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Penthouse.com is starting to pursue legal action against persons who post material to Usenet from their pay site." At least they're going after the poster and not the usenet servers.
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damn, u beat me to it......i was gonna say that
If people were violating the copyright on GPL'ed stuff by not following the license, I would support taking legal actions against those people to.
People who don't like the strings attached to someones copyrighted works should go find some other works that don't have those problems. Whether the copyright holder is MicroSoft, the author of a GPL'ed work who won't release it under the BSD license, or Penthouse, it makes no difference. There are always alternatives and by using those alternatives you will send a message that you don't like the strings the other people have attached.
SPF support for most open source mail servers can be found at libspf2.
OK, I see that you don't respect people with dyslexia (or whatever its called in english). Its always reassuring to know that the world is still filled with nitpickers who don't want to show any form of respect for people with reading/writing problems.
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I don't know the meaning of "tangible assets". (My native language is not english).
But, if you're saying what I *think* you are saying - that is - you're saying that its theft even when nobody actually LOSES anything - as long as the duplicator *earns* something on it - its theft.
I agree with you that making actual profit or getting your own expenses covered - in duplicating it - then you should be guilty of something.
But, if you copy it for your own personal use - and give it away to others without incurring ANY form of cost to the ones you're giving it away to (not getting any of your own expenses covered) - then it should not be illegal.
I know it *is* illegal now. But I think that is Wrong.
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I can't help but think of the similarities between this incident and that where M$ asked /. to remove posters comments. Grated the situatiion and environment are a little different, whereas PH is going directly to the poster and not the ISP, but in many cases such as when AC posts, the easier way to file suit is to file against the ISP and have them disclose information on how to contact the poster, such as IP or account information. I'm glad /. didn't cave in the M$ pressures, but the base is still strikingly similar. Taking copyrighted or licenced property and putting it into the wild or linking to it without permission. Ironic.
More race stuff in one place,
than any one place on the net.
Hey, it's the dreaded WKiernan, scourge of trolls :) How did anyone not notice this was a troll? Still, if 80md can get away with it, so can I...
What part of "You don't have to be guilty" are you failing to understand?
Within 48 hours title to all properties can be transferred. A month after that it is sold at auction. You might have months before you get to go to a trial where the fact that no evidence other than paperclips, zip-lock bags, and a postal scale being found in your home finally comes to light.
Didn't you notice the part of his post where he said that YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BE PROVEN GUILTY.
So whether you were actually doing it is irrelevant. The "I don't need any rights, because I don't have anything to hide" argument has a lot of holes.
--- "So THAT's what an invisible barrier looks like!" - Time Bandits
Siezing evidence is standard procedure in a criminal investigation. The PC is generally locked down, then hooked up to another PC running investigative software. Sometimes a sector copy of the HD is taken and the evidence is collected off of that.
The collected evidence is used by the investigators and the DA to build their case, and generally presented in court and explained to the jury by an expert witness.
Think outside the... Hey, where'd the friggin' box go?
It is a "sin" because god (capitilzation intentional) said "Go forth and multiply".
The reason for this? The church needed suckers^h^h^h^h^h^h^hmembers to support itself.
You better face it. Most of the Christian and Catholic traditions are meant to propagate the church and/or it's friends (I like Stephenson in Snow Crash where he hints that organized religion is a virus)
Fish on Friday? Know the religious purpose behind that? Fishermen approached the Pope, saying they weren't making enough money.
The Crusades? Goodie, plunder. We also get to beat on some heathens, what fun!
Christmas? Should be sometime in July. Let's take over some of the current Pagan traditions instead!
I have no problem with people being religious. I have problems with organized religion. The human nature previously mentioned tends to corrupt the entire organization. If someone says the word of god is XXXX, I say BULLSH*T. There is ONE and ONLY ONE source. And it ain't gonna be the bible. Guess what, that was written by people, so it's still BULLSH*T.
The religious fanatics posting to this thread are all going to say I'm going to go to hell. Guess what, if you say that you are breaking your own religion. My philosophy is a combination of Pascal and Marx (Groucho, not Karl). Assuming that I am otherwise a decent person (my definition, not yours): 1) I don't believe and God is fair and decent - I end up in heaven. 2) God / heaven doesn't exist, so it's all a moot point 3) I don't believe, God is a bastard and I end up in Hell. For 2/3 of that, there is no problem. If #3 is the issue, I don't want anything to do with an unfair God. As far as I'm concerned, he can go to hell (pun intended). So, by telling me and anyone here to go to hell, you automatically admit that your god is unfair and unjust. Isn't that violating your self-proclaimed religion?
Just look in the bottom of your browser to see
where clicking this link will take you. It's
not that hard to figure out. Slashdot shouldn't have to warn you where a click is going to take you. Don't be so easily offended.
The Information Revolution will be fought on the command line.
well - one would have to believe in God and Satan in order for the "Devil's views have taken a hold of them". if you look at this from a true Catholic
standpoint, everything is a sin against God and we are all destine for hell.
but in the end, there is no manipulation. the ppl that are a part of the porn industry do so by a conscience choice. if they feel that they have a hot body and can make money from flaunting it, more power too them.
-Jae
This is gonna be off-topic, so mod me down to -1,000,000 for all I care. But I'm just fucking sick of people saying ".000000002 percent of people use Napster for legal purposes".
Sure, they're in the minority, but saying no one users Napster legally is ridiculous. You can get a lot of taped Dave Matthews Band shows, for example (and they permit, even encourage this). Grateful Dead is similar. I get a lot of great live sessions from DJ's, most of them don't care because they weren't recording it for a CD anyways, and they just want you to come see 'em spin when they're in town.
That being said, this "news item" is hardly worth noticing. It's not even as controversial as Napster. Penthouse.com makes their money from people paying to download images. This guy is making it free for people to download the exact same images, at the same rate, at the same quality. I haven't seen a single post saying this should be fine.
Cancels are "advisory". It is the server's option whether or not to pay attention to the cancel. Also, PH would have to receive a post before they would have its message id to cancel it. If there's time for PH to receive the post, there's time for others to receive it too.
Assuming that people want to receive the posts in question (as opposed to, say, the spam that Cancelmoose cancels), then sending out cancels will not prevent the spread of the copyrighted material.
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"but then I feel Metallica does have a legitemate beef with Napster since it's quite obvious that Napster was not making an effort to enforce its T&C by shutting down users trading copyrighted mp3's."
Napster has complied. A list of over 300,000 users was given to Napster. Napster banned thier nick and thier IP. What the hell do you expect them to do? Because ISP's use dynamic ip's for most of thier users is not the fault of Napster.
"In not enforcing its ban on pirated material, Napster was assisting in the crime of pirating"
They did enforce the ban! Napster has never assisted in piracy. They built a tool, a popular tool, one that would have been created by someone else if they didn't. The fact that it's users use it for piracy is not thier fault. The fact that someone used a Glock to go blow someone's brains out does not make it Glock's fault.
"They DO have the necessary information to track down a user and ban them since they collect the personal info when you register"
And I'll bet $100 that less than 2% of Napster users use thier real info. Napster doesn't verify names and addresses. If you were unscrupulous and signing up for Napster to pirate songs, would you use your real info?
"Napster should have complied with the lawyers instead of fighting them tooth and nail"
In essence, bending over and saying, "do what you want with us, we'll do whatever you say". Someone needs to stand up to these companies and let them no that the threat of a lawsuit is NOT the way to get your way!
I'm not saying Napster is the holiest of the holies. Sure thier morals could use a little fine tuning. It still does not make thier program illegal. Where does it stop? First Napster, than what? Usenet? IRC? WWW?
The RIAA had the oppurtunity awhile ago to embrace the technology and create a new and exciting business model. One that could posssibly renew thier strength is this exciting new world. Instead, they fight the technology and sue everyone who has a vision of the way this new technology could be used.
The RIAA has one interest and one interest only, to keep thier aging business model alive as long as possible. They had the oppurtunity to start something new. They failed. Now they're just prolonging thier fate in an attemp to line thier pockets just a little bit more.
LiNT
You, sir, are a proboscis monkey.
That said, I think it's time I changed my
No, the stupid person would be the one that doesn't know when their opinion is not wanted.
But to the REST of your spew:
>>Look out of the window, and you will see the evidence of God's work. Surely it is self-evident that the world is as the word of God, as revealed to us through the Bible, has told us? What other proof is required?
What does that have to do w/ Christianity? Every religion has an explanation for why the world is how it is. What makes you so sure YOURS is right? Blind faith!
>>It's for your own good at the end of the day. Those who do not discover the love of the Lord and move into the light are eternally damned, and this is a fate to be avoided at all costs!
For my own good? Let *ME* decide what is for my own good! I'll tell you, if heaven is full of fools like you, I don't want to go there!
This guy was probably huddled over the warm, friendly glow of his monitor when they busted in the door. Must not have been a pretty sight!
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OK, so this world was created by the Christian God? PROVE IT
For now, let's assume that Nature's splendor is caused by God. Why is it the Christian one? There's the Jewish one (by all accounts, that is the same one), the Moslem one(again, by all accounts the same god). What about the Shinto spirits of Nature? What about the American Indian god (sorry, my SW mythology is weak so I can't give names)? What about the one that put it on the back of the elephants on the back of the turtle?
Sounds like you subscribe to the watchmaker philosphy. Again, by doing so you contradict yourself. By your own admission, the world is the work of God. He is responsible for everything on it. That includes everything flawed, like the human race and satan. That implies that he himself is flawed.
So you will say that God works in mysterious ways (e.g. you don't have a fscking clue). Can you come up with a reasonable argument against this or are you stupid?
Soon to be a major motion picture, starring Lars Ulrich and Dr. Dre. Soundtrack available on local Hotline servers.
Got Rhinos?
Katz, it's time for an article telling us how kids need access to this porn. It's on the net, it should be free, just like Metallica songs.
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Wait a minute! This is not an anonymous coward! ... It was CmdrTaco all along... "And I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you lowsy nerds!"--CmdrTaco
No Metallica mp3's, no Penthouse Pictures. It's starting to look like everything associated with the word 'wank' is being banned.
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Given the choice between
Penthouse saying "Don't pirate our stuff or we'll go after your ISP and cause hassles for lots of others" and
Penthouse saying "Don't pirate our stuff because we'll go after YOU! You will be the one who suffers."
I think the second would be a lot scarier. I think this is more likely to stop people ripping off their stuff in the future.
For some totally inexplicable reason, a lot of cultures have come up with the turtle theory totally independently. Terry Pratchett just pinched the idea (but I think the elephants are original).
ok, put up the mirrors everywhere.
:-) but i dont think i can convince my girlfriend. funny i didnt have those problems with deCSS....
i would do it myself ( MIRRORING!
Could be worse. Could be raining.
Everyone knows that while Usenet users are decreasing in number, the amount of traffic is increasing, due to all the alt.binaries sites... Are the big movie studios going to go after all the alt.binaries.vcdz, alt.binaries.movies, etc sites???
No one is really going to be free until nerd persecution ends.
Maybe, maybe not. That's the problem: it's entirely up to how the nntp server is written/configured/administered. The protocol doesn't specificy what should happen, one way or another.
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No, you're not.
Since the legal action against "Muad-Dib" the volume of postings has fallen through the floor.
It was pretty obvious what he was doing, and I'm surprised it took this long for PH to do something. I ASSume they were gathering evidence to make a legal bust (as opposed to their models and their phony busts)
Pope
Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! Monopolies offer Choice!
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
One of my chief complaints of Napster is that it removes a lot of choices. Let's take my friend Brian as an example (I'm way to paranoid to run the thing myself.)
He has a largish collection of mp3's (most burnt to cd's at this point) that took months to rip from the original CD's. He goes onto napster, and what happens? Almost immediately people start to download his Joe Satriani (sp) and Metallica mp3's. He _looks_ for a way to remove them from being downloaded, after all, it is technically illegal and he doesn't really want to break the law. He's on napster to find some very specific rare and hard to find songs (like a copy of BOC's Godzilla where they chant godzilla instead of having a pure musical interlude, or a copy of Kill the Wabbit) Guess what, he can't find that option. He tried to "Remove from playlist" his entire collection to stop the copying, but that didn't work. It just deleted his entire collection (yes, delete, unrecoverable.) ruining months of work (which is why they are burnt on to CD's now)
Where is the option that let's me comply with the law and not allow people to copy copyrighted songs from me? It might be there, but after a few days of searching it might as well not exist.
There is another crime involved that you might want to research. Contributory Copyright Infringement. This one carries many of the same penalties as the actual infringement, and napster will get nailed for it.
As for Metallica being "evil" as I saw someone put it, they are doing only what napster asked them to do. Take a look at napster from M's perspective. They see them as a greedy company positioning themselves for a huge IPO to reap millions, by more or less encouraging people to pirate. They aren't against MP3's, or online distribution, they ARE against not Even Being Given a Choice. Remember Choice? It's one of the things slashdotters complain about constantly not having.
Sure they could go after the traders, but like, that would be attacking their fans, something they are being made fun of for doing. They have only done what Napster has _asked_ them to do. It really is a catch twenty-two. The only way for them to "win" is to get napster to shut down, or at least provide the tools so people can choose not to provide every single fucking mp3 on their hardrive for anyone to download.
"Tax preparation software eliminates errors your[SIC] may make...." From IRS home page.
Well, I tried to get Slashdot to take the ad but they thought it was too lame and, I guess, sort of insulting so they refused. I only ment it as a kind of homage, but everyone gets to run their site as they wish. So I turfed it over to deja. And it's not really a blatant violation of rights, it falls within the parody catagory -- even if it is a lame parody.
Sn. Anonymous should know better that to believe everything he reads in the newspapers.
We struggle to improve everyone's sex life one little post at a time.
This is either the most straight faced joke posting I've ever seen, or really, REALLY disturbing...
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Let's take a look at that.
You run a bookstore with (keeping it simple) only ten books for sale. You sell these books to people who come into your shop. One night, some guy goes into your shop and runs off perfect copies of these ten books. He then sets up a monster xerox machine on the sidewalk in front of your shop and hands out one or ten copies of these books to anybody passing by and to those who are starting to walk into your shop. And he's a really great guy because he's handing out copies of ALL your books for FREE! To everyone, customers, kids, cops, whoever shows up.
Meanwhile, you're sitting in your bookstore filling out checks for the rent, payroll, and checks to the publishers who sold you your ten books.
You telling me you're *not* gonna stroll out on the sidewalk and have a full and frank conversation with this bozo?
This "no gain, no blame" concept is not really what's happening in the real world.
What's problematic here is the real world collision between two key concepts:
1. Information wants to be free.
2. People need to get paid.
Penthouse has every right to go after people who distribute information that they obtained through special premium access to Penthouse's site. The problem with current software licensing is that it treats all software as confidential information obtained through a one to one relationship with the company that produces it and subjects its use to a contractual relationship. This is clearly misguided (and I have a project in the works that will *prove* that people do not treat EULAs as contracts), because the nature of software distribution more closely resembles distribution of a mass-produced good not subject to this regulation.
However, when a user is granted special permissions to a site or company network, there is a level of customization that should subject the user to a contract as to how the information can be distributed. Otherwise, I would sign up for an account with Penthouse and use my username/password to reformat their content while displaying my ads. The law needs to recognize the distinction betweem custom content/services and mass produced software.
Stepping in on the side of the users in this case will discredit us. We need to choose our battles carefully.
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Hard as it may be for you to believe, we actually are concerned about that.
lol! When it applies to YOU, it's OK! Hahahaha
Wouldn't sex without the intent to bear a child be wasting a "seed"? Isn't birth control a "sin"?
Water pipes, not bongs. :)
They arnt called bongs until someone actually puts pot in them and smokes it.
I've also read about several local gvts raiding head shops and seizing all their cool heady shit. Usually its 'cuz they find the owner w/ something illegal and use it as an excuse to raid the whole place and break stuff. Most of the time its on the command of some puritan christian coalition type gvt official who has been brainwashed by the war on drugs. No really, marijuana should stay illegal.. just because it helps people who live in constant pain isnt a reason to even explore its possibilities for medical use. And when we do find out it has medical uses, we are going to totally ignore all the research.
Maybe i should move to canada...
no
>>If I am so wrong then why do you keep desparately trying to counter my arguments? Is it because you realise I am right and that in your heart you are trying to believe?
;-)
Actually, I am arguing because your opinions are ridiculously extreme and I disagree with what you say. That is the POINT of arguing.
>>Because it is, of course.
Blind faith. Pathetic. You believe what you believe because you were told to. Never bothered to actually *THINK* for yourself. You are a sheep.
>>No problem, you have no chance of getting there. Instead you will become part of the army of the Enemy, destined to fight the Lord in the final war between Heaven and Hell. I'll see you there.
lol. See ya there!
I think we all realised that USENET had become a lost cause when people started referring to it as "dejanews" and threatening to "report you to netscape" when you posted accurate summaries of their spamming activities.
Explain that one away, Mr Darwin.
-a-
Ha! Where exactly are you getting these "exceptions" that magically apply specifically to you so you can do what you want w/ your life w/o worrying about upsetting God? I know they are not in the Bible, it seems you are pulling them out of your ass.
...that's free as in handjobs, not free as in speech.
Cool, now we can have lots of new laws lobbied for by Penthouse magazine. Perhaps they will press for censorship of Usenet to filter out all the filth and smut that corrupts our children and damages Penthouse's business.
Alternatively, every model used by Penthouse could have a barcode tatooed onto her buttocks, so that pirated pictures can be easily and automatically recognized.
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
Not that I would know ofcourse, but I heard someone talk about it the other day. I didn't have a look or anything, it's just what I heard.
Perhaps I'm just too monumentally naive, but when are these poor businesses/publishing houses/musical groups going to realize that once you allow electronic access to material, you lose control over it? Is Penthouse really "losing money" over this...? People are still buying their trash and funneling an obscene (pardon the pun) amount of cash to Mr. Flynt and his gaudy gold plated house. Is Metallica really "losing money" over the Napster issue? People that can afford to buy their CD's already have copies of all of the albums (except maybe the Binge and Purge B.S. economy pack) Let me clue Larry and Lars and Dr. Dre and all the rest... gentlemen, you are no longer the masters of your domain! Just wait until 50 years from now when braintaping is possible... the descendants of these geniuses will try and have their copyright(s) extend to cover people's memories of their performances...
- "That's a big no can do" - B. Banzai
Hehe!!! That is just *so* true.
Someone moderate that up...
- Oliver
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- Oliver
The right to bear arms is only slightly less stupid than the right to arm bears...
They have an interesting point that you don't hear from the music industry or software industry:
"Second, and equally important, is the fact that our pay site is an adult site. It is for adults only and we mean it. We take the responsibility of limiting access to our site and our content to adults very seriously."
You have to give them some credit there: with that one sentence, they actually got the parents on their side. For once, the liberals and Bobby G are on the same side!
What's your damage, Heather?
He posts binaries to a non-binaries group?
He should go to jail for violating the rule about posting binaries to non-binaries groups!
So, this does finally reveal who is behind the famed "Usenet Cabal" -- Penthouse Magazine!
Go Penthouse! :-)
What about the one that put it on the back of the elephants on the back of the turtle?
Errr... that was Terry Pratchett... and I doubt he'd pass as a god amongst the other ones roaming the multiverse... :)
(Note to the original poster of this thread: I remember you... wasn't it you who always posted his fantasies about a certain actress that'd been turned to stone, and something about a heated cereal and your pants? So stop pretending you've got different feelings now - you don't trick me! HAR!)
np: Vladislav Delay - Ele (Entain)
As always under permanent deconstruction.
"I'm not anti-anything, I'm anti-everything, it fits better." - Sole
Well, there goes that hobby...
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Instead of using legal action, they should offer a free "modeling session" to anyone turning in a porn pirate.
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Lets face it, Napster was created to trade mp3's. Trading mp3's that you don't own, under the current law, is illegal.
Let's face it, money was created to trade goods. Trading goods that you don't own, under the current law, is illegal.
Beautiful little non sequitur; that's the way to cloud the issues. Now, WTF is the point of that statement? Do you work for RIAA or something?
But I only post the articles honest...
"Do you think we could wipe out world hunger forever if scientists figured out how to make AOL's Free CD's edible?"-
Can't they take a backup?
Find funky gifts
Does anybody know if they traced the poster by usenet logs or by watermarking their images?
(watermarking is hiding should-be-but-isn't- difficult-to-remove tagging information in the image itself)
I was deeply conflicted about this problem for months since I've a long history with Usenet (been around it and on it since the mid 80s') and a great deal of respect for the system. I struggled with the situation for a long time.
What I found was that there was no *good* solution to be had to the problem, but there was a path of least disruption and damage to be followed and so I had to decide to go down that route. It wasn't a great route, but it seemed to me to be the only real one open.
Well, I'm here to tell you it wasn't. And I should know.
in our statute a trial by jury has the power to disregard the law if they decide it is unjust.
.oO0Oo.
Of course first you need to get a jury trial
but if you get one and they decide you acted resonably even though you broke the letter of the law you can walk. (or the say not guilty for the hell of it).
That is why you are "judged by your peers, 12 goo d men and true".
Juries are rarely reminded that the decide the moral case of guilt rather than the factual basis of the incident.
IANAL
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
So what you are telling me is that if I go off and make say 100,000 copies of The Latest Steven King novel and give them away for FREE. I'm NOT STEALING from him?
.. or charging money for it. Don't tell me that "I" can't. If someone is stealing from me I will sue them!
Even though those books cold have been sold by him for a profit making him money? Hello! I would be taking money right out of his pocket. If you don't think that's stealing you should really re-examine your definition of theft!
I hope some day you come up with an idea and or buisness and someone "Copyright Infinges" you out of buisness. We'll se how quickly your definition will change.
I'm sorry but I want to be able to make money on my ideas. I want to have the choice of either giving away something of mine
Ex-Nt-User
Please explain the hole in my logic. I certainly don't see it.
I follow many of the restrictions of Chritianity much closer than many Christians I know. I treat people fairly and do my best to help people when possible. So, how is god just when I go to Hell, but Jim Bakker goes to heaven?
Evidence? Where? Please point it out to me. I have seen many other explanations that are just as plausible. Just because the average person doesn't understand them or they seem unfulfilling doesn't make them wrong
From what you are stating, the only (or at least primary) criterion for getting into heaven is following god, HOW IS THIS FAIR? If that is a criteron, god can bite me. "Judge not lest ye be judged" Isn't that a tenet of Christianity? I just happen to be applying that to god himself. If he purports to be able to judge me arbitrarily, then I reserve the right to judge him. If god does not allow this, then by his own (and your) definition, he is unjust.
So, men are not perfect, they make mistakes. Only God is perfect by definition. And the saving of souls by the conversion of heathens is an important task which early Christains knew how to do no matter the difficulties
No, it wasn't a mistake. It was perfectly intentional. It's a lot easier to take over the old religions if we have parties at the same time.
I had a couple of reasons for putting it there. It was a joke. It was a slam on the idiocy of some of the creation myths (which I think is Pratchett's point anyway).
couldnt P-house simply watermark the photos like http://www.photodisc.com ??? watermarked boobs! remove the mark and you get half a women!
I read this story at Wired a few weeks ago, and went to a.m.p to check out comments there. Well, many many people believed the whole story was a HOAX! There's no way to prove it is false - they challenged Penthouse to prove it was *true*, and got a bunch of goobeldegook and hogwash from someone claiming to be PH's lawyer. I just checked the group right now - it's still the same, MANY people believe the "news" story about the "raid" was a complete hoax! So... the real question is not about copyright issues - it is about whether or not the "news" ever happened.
Jeez. So EVERYONE except Christians are WRONG and are Satanists and will go to hell? Ha! Thats such a closed-minded and self-righteous view on our world. You do realize that Christianity is one of the smallest "major" religions, right? You are in the minority.
This is the kind of crap that has turned me off from Christianity. These damned "soldiers" out everywhere telling everyone they are wrong and are sinners and are going to hell. Just because they believe something just a little different.
And *THIS* guy is one of the worst ones I have met, and he lives in some sort of fantasy world where "Satan's minions" march around shoving "evil porn" in everyone's faces trying to "stray them" from "the word of the Lord".
Give it a rest buddy. Havn't you met your quota on new recruits this month yet?
On a related note, judging from the size of my pr0n collection, I *am* satan.
From my own humble experinces I have yet to meet a person in real life that doesn't use napaster illegal, I am aware that there are some users that use it for legal purposes, but personally, in the real world, I have yet to meet a one of them. From my own sheltered experinces, that is where I drawed the 0.00002 %, I was trying to convay a small user base of legal users, I am probably wrong.
Sorry for any pain or inconvience this may have caused slash dot.
"`Ford, you're turning into a penguin. Stop it.'" -THHGTTG
This is an absolutely brilliant Troll. Too bad it's off-topic, because it's well-written and includes some truly subtle humor. Whoever pushed it down to -1 sucks. :)
They are going after posters who are distributing Penthouse Copyrighted material. ( Which falls under stealing )
Why do people insist that copyright infringement is theft, this is categorically wrong.
Theft - the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it
In the case of copyright infringement the person responsible for the infringement is not depriving any the rightful use of their property. Theft is a bad thing, and has been considered such for a while now (it is one of the commandments). Copyright protection is simply something provided by the government fairly recently. There's a little of it in the Constitution, and some more in Title 17 of US Code.
I agree with ya on this one... watching the talking heads at 6pm offers absolutely NO warning when reporting on news items that can be considered adult in nature by either the Net or the MPAA or Sony or whomever. I wonder what the percentage of readers is that clicked on it cuz penthouse was in the dateline...
Only by taking a stance against the Devil are you assured a place with our Lord in Heaven.
Show me the scripture that supports this statement.
IMHO, You can best make your stand by being an enviable example of your faith instead of a loud-mouthed, judgemental, intolerant, crusader.
Luke 16:27-29
27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, 28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. 29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.
.. is to get laid. Thats right, he needs to get laid. By a woman, even. A naked one. Perhaps by a cute lil teenage minion^H^H^H^H^H^Hvixen named Sveta.
I think this would fall under the realm of "just how much does it cost ME?"
.jpg's of the picture data) so that all the world can see/hear/read/interperet.
People think they can do this in the online world because they are not incurring much cost (other than dial up/cable/whatever access). Why wouldn't someone attempt to copy the new york times and distribute it?
Real world cost.
It doesn't take anything but a few clicks or a bot or two to distribute ANY digital media. Online or offline. All you need to do is have easy access to an available accepted "format" (in this case, probably
My 2 cents, anyhow.
Karnal
Not until everyone gets home from work, at least...
The cake is a pie
The Onan story is really very instructive. It teaches that failing to get your dead brother's wife pregnant because of premature ejaculation in a sin against family, society and God, but on the other hand beating some guy to death because he failed to get his dead brother's wife pregnant as ordered is OK, God has no problem with that.
Non serviam.
Okay, I'm officially taking the Hell Express when I die. :o)
so correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't this be justifying that Metallica identify the Napster users that are pirating their mp3's and bring them to court?
"See, they go after the poster, the one that commited the crime, slap him with a small fine and embrass the hell out of him so he doesn't do it again, penthouse gets from cash from it and everyone is happy. "
So Metallica should go after all hundred thousand users and slap them with a fine...
Lets face it, Napster was created to trade mp3's. Trading mp3's that you don't own, under the current law, is illegal.
"Metallica could learn a lot about the way penthouse is handling this."
Yes, they should go and sue all hundred thousand users that Metallica found trading their mp3's.
God bless the USA and the lawyers that infest us all.
Which is exactly why the compromise that is before congress is such a goodthing. Napster doesn't track users, so finding a user and going after them is difficult if not impossible. If Napster required some form of identification (even something as mundane as an address or something similar to what ISPs have) then they COULD go after the users. But, since Napster is allowing people to use their service anonymously, they don't have anyone else to go after. Good laws only work when all the sides work together to make them work.
"Information wants to be expensive" - Stewart Brand, the same guy who said "Information wants to be free"
It depends on the state you are in. In Florida, the PD can impound your car for 1) buying or selling drugs in it. 2) soliciting prostitution from your car. 3) if your car was used in the crime (drive-by-shooting, getaway car). They can also take boats and planes and RVs.
Tom
Reality does not happen until you analyze the dots. -Don DeLillo (Underworld)
Exactly. But that's not just a good idea - it's the law too. Those who possess copyright have always had to track down and individually prosecute those that they believe have infringed on their copyrights. It's only in recent years that they've been trying to turn the tables and make service providers either censor their users, or just make the service providers liable. The reality is that if you feel that 300000 people have wronged you, then legally you will need to go after 300000 people in court to get satisfaction.
Sure, just suing Napster, or Yahoo, or Demon would be easier and cheaper for those that are defending copyrights, but that doesn't make it right and that doesn't make it legal. I'm happy to hear that Penthouse is going about this the legal and ethical way, rather than just suing the pants off of this guy's ISP.
Your right to not believe: Americans United for Separation of Church and
Yes, but would they do that if you had copyrighted photo's in your car?
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Does anyone know what newsgroups these images were posted to, I think I should inspect them to make sure they trully are penthouse images... It would really be a shame if penthouse simply mistaked these images for other images..
Geoff
Hey idiot.
.. is WRONG. Correcting people all the time is the same as harrassing them. Not everyone spells perfectly. Lots of people have *severe* problems spelling correclty.
You and a LOT of other slashdot posters has a LOT to learn. Have you ever heard of something called dyslexia (or whatever way its spelled) ??
You (and other stupid assholes) are showing a level of attitude about spelling that makes me sick. Personally I just forget a letter now and then, and mispell a word from time to time - but I know people who proofread their material several times, but they've still got so many errors in their writings that you just have to laugh.
But correcting them
So please, AC. and others -shut the fuck up about spelling errors.
I'm sick and tired of it.
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How about going defend Metallica next? <G>
Well, if there is a trial. The article seemed to indicate that the main person in question settled.
Karma Police, arrest this man, he talks in maths
He buzzes like a fridge, he's like a detuned radio
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The only reason Penthouse is only pursuing that one person is that they can't get any companies to help them record who is doing all of the posting. I'm sure they will they go after more people once Metallica et al. is done with their buisness. :-)
Devil Ducky
Devil Ducky
MY peers would get out of jury duty.
Because the computer equipment (the hard drive, that is) contains evidence of the felony.
The car does not contains any evidence of illegal photocopies you made.
First of all - I want to cheer Penthouse for doing things The Right Way.
.. what was it? £2500 ? Something like that. I copied it, played with it - and found that I didn't want to spend the time learning it. Then I deleted it. I don't have the possibility to pay £2500 at the age of 16 (when I copied it, some 4 years ago). I still don't have the possibility to pay that kind of sums.
They've uncovered the "badguy" - and gone after HIM instead of the carriers (i.e. the newsservers). They've gone after the person who abused their services - and not some innocent common carrier.
Their first point is - good. Even though I think we should rethink patents, copyrights and tradesecrets - more about that later.
Their second point on the other hand. The one about minors. Sure, it gives them a 'plus' in the almanac of christian puritans - but seriously - do you think they care? I don't.
And, the comparison between a bookstore is just stupid. The owner of a bookstore has a book less to sell - if its stolen. He has PAID for THAT book. Penthouse doesn't lose anything if someone copies their picture. Its copied - not lost. You cannot call it theft, when you still have your copy intact. Its duplicated, not removed. If it had been theft - this Muad'Dib would have to break into penthouse and steal their master copies. That DID NOT HAPPEN.
More about the first point - which I promised to rant more about.
The more I read about these cases of copying - the more I realize that we need to rethink the entire issue of copyright / patent / tradesecret. In this world, its *extremely* easy to make a copy. I've pirated music, I've pirated games - and I don't feel bad about it. I wouldn't have bought any of it - simply because I would have no way to afford everything I want.
I buy the things I can afford. But what I cannot afford to buy - I copy. I never had any possibility of buying Autodesk 3D studie for
Also, I cannot afford to buy every magazine I want in the store. I cannot afford to buy two dozens PC magazines. I buy a couple a month and read a lot of articles on the web - for free.
Of course, we have a problem if we remove copyright law altogether. We would then face the problem of an author writing a book - releasing it - and two days later another bookprinting-shop would release the same book, but cheaper - and they would earn money.. Then the author would lose money. The books would be available in the local store, but he wouldn't get royalties.
If, on the other hand, someone typed in the entire book, and posted it to a newsgroup. It would still be a breach of copyright, but you wouldn't get it in the store. You would have to spend lots of money on paper printing the book - and you wouldn't get a nice cover on it. And - nobody would earn money on you copying it.
The later, imho, should be allowed. If nobody earns actual money on the copying - it should be allowed. Specifically - by law.
.. in my opinion.
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I happened to be cruising Deja, when I noticed a banner add pop up that said:
"Penthouse.com - Sex for geeks, Babes the matter"
Now I was wondering, what recourse does Rob have against this blatant violation of his rights?
But if you shot someone the police they would definately take the gun. The computer was the instrument used to commit the crime and is therefore taken as evidence.
So please explain to me how Lutheranism, Anglicanism, and all of the other christian religions that formed when some Catholics got tired of what the Pope was doing ARE Christian. And how about all the rest of the christian religions that formed when people in the first generation of reformed christian religions had differences of opinion and schismed even more? How are they christian? If Catholicism isn't Christianity, then the only religions that CAN rightly carry the name are those that are OLDER than Catholicism, or newer ones that can not trace their roots To the Catholic church!
That leaves, let's see...Ethiopian Christianity, the Greek and Eastern Orthodox churches, and a few smaller ones that I can't think of right now. It does NOT leave most mainstream Western Chrisitan religions.
To email, do the obvious.
>>...since sex is only for the purpose of begetting children.
Huh? Tell us a little about yourself. Are you married? If you are, do you only have sex when you want to have a kid? HAA! Thats ridiculus! Or maybe you havn't HAD sex. That may be it. That would explain your completely stupid comments on the matter.
Hey,
I do not need glossy magazines!
I go to strip clubs!
Tom
Reality does not happen until you analyze the dots. -Don DeLillo (Underworld)
By allowing the LAW to determine what is right and wrong you can remove many problems associated with letting Politicians and "interested parties" defining the process.
It looks to me that you are contradicting yourself, since the LAW is created by Politicians and "interested parties" (lobbies).
Steven Rostedt
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oh, I'm not disagreeing. I think both groups should pursue legal action against those pirating their wares (not warez). However, I know it's not the general feeling in /. that ANY of the users have done anything wrong.
Metallica, and all those other bands, should be able to collect or fine those that have been illegally trading or repackaging their IP.
So Metallica should go after all hundred thousand users and slap them with a fine...
They only need to go after a few for the rest to get the message.
Lets face it, Napster was created to trade mp3's.
Quite right so far
Trading mp3's that you don't own, under the current law, is illegal.
Objection yer' onour. These two statements are not related. Napster is marketed as a tool for trading of legal mp3's. i.e. those whose creators have given permission for them to be exchanged. It may or may not have been produced with the knowledge that it will be used mainly for illegal trading, but thats another issue.
Yes, they should go and sue all hundred thousand users that Metallica found trading their mp3's
Yes they should. These people are pirating Metallica's songs, and breaching the terms and conditions of Napster. Napster should be obliged to assist in tracking them down. Furthermore, they should ban Metallica from using their service since they breached the terms and condidtions.
Yes Metallica should go after the users trading the mp3 files, not after napaster. The users are commiting the crime, not Napaster.
Think about it, go into a head shop, buy a bong then go smoke some weed out of it. When Mr. Police Man sees you smoking pot, who is he going to arrest, you or the head shop.
What law did the head shop break? None. What law did Napaster break? None.
Did you break a law when you started smoking pot? Yes (At least under the current laws in the United States). Did you break a law when you started trading copyrighted mp3's? Yes (At least under the current copyright laws in the United States).
Did usenet or [insert isp here] break any laws when they made there newsgroups public? No. Did you break any laws when you posted copyrighted porn to these news groups. Yes (At least under the current copyright laws in the United States).
So who is responiable you or the head shop? Who broke the law, you or the head shop? Who should get fined or put in jail, you or the head shop?
Napaster *CAN* be used for legal purposes as what the company claims, as bongs and newsgroups *CAN* be used for legal purposes as what the companies claim.
You can used Napaster to trade legal mp3's (like self-written, self-produced material) as you can use both bongs (for smoking tobacco) and newsgroups (for posting self-produced material). All which are pretty legal.
Does anyone use these things for legal purposes though? No not really, maybe 0.00002 % of the entire population.
Please take responiablity for your actions, even if sometimes you actions are illegal and may laid you in jail.
"`Ford, you're turning into a penguin. Stop it.'" -THHGTTG
Indeed. Witness how the act of prosecuting piracy didn't bring screams of moral outrage on Slashdot, since it was done more or less the right way. :-)
Or in other words, as long as they're married, it's alright for them to have unwholesame appetites and use women purely for sexual satisfaction? That'd be the "marriage as legalised sex slavery" school of thought, then?
Besides which, marriage is an invention of religion, and not being religious, I do not take suggestions that I need to have my relationships officially "sanctioned" particularly kindly.
Pornography is degrading to both men and women. It encourages the myth that all men are interested in is looking at naked women and thinking about fornicating with them
No it doesn't. Men buying pornography might encourage that idea, and, oh, look at that, men do buy pornography. In fact, history has proved that if pornography is not available, people create their own.
You are also revealing your own sexism; pornography for women also exists. Strange though it may seem, women are also sexual creatures who can, shock, horror, get aroused by looking at pictures. I've even heard tales they can have their own orgasms, but I'm sure that's a myth.
and its whole purpose is to encourage the sin of onanism, something which God-fearing Christians know to be wrong.
IANABS, but wasn't Onan's sin that he didn't fertilise his wife when God wanted him to, i.e., his sin was disobeying God and not consummating his marriage. I don't believe there's anywhere in the Bible that states that a single man masturbating is a sin, but, like I say, IANABS.
A true man has no need to look at glossy pictures of naked women, they are quite capable of finding themselves a real woman...and dragging her back to his cave by her hair if necessary.
Actually, I think you'll find that population dynamics put forward very good reasons why not every man, no matter how "manly" will find a lifetime partner.
Women are exploited in these magazines with both the promise of money and the supposed "liberating" experiance of being photographed without any clothes on.
Hm. Have you actually talked to any of these women? Their general attitude tends to be that the liberating factor is the money. They're not doing for art's sake, they're doing it for their bank balance.
These are lies from an industry filled with perverts of the highest order, people for whom Satan is a way of life.
Good job you didn't mention any names there, or you could have been in for one (ehem) hell of a lawsuit. I very much doubt you could prove any member of the porn industry is a secret Satanist!
Being Christian is one thing. Not being able to face up to human nature and blaming Satan for it is another.
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alright then, we're agreeing.
but then I feel Metallica does have a legitemate beef with Napster since it's quite obvious that Napster was not making an effort to enforce its T&C by shutting down users trading copyrighted mp3's. In not enforcing its ban on pirated material, Napster was assisting in the crime of pirating. They DO have the necessary information to track down a user and ban them since they collect the personal info when you register.
Based on this, Napster should have complied with the lawyers instead of fighting them tooth and nail. If they had complied, then Napster would have established itself as a genuine article that wasn't JUST created to pirate mp3's, but to trade mp3's that were allowed to be traded.
...and where's the courthouse for that?
I only read USENET for the articles.
xoxo,
Andy
Why on Earth would the subject of immortality be a joke?
So you're saying if you don't read Penthouse you'll live forever? Hmmm. Nope, I'll take the boobies, thanks.
Ya I think this shows that the law you mentioned wasn't very well thought out, since it's pretty hard to categorise drug paraphernalia. Bongs don't seem like extremely hard things to make (though I guess, as is in most things in life, the hard part is trying to make it *good*), so in order to be really effective they'd have to outlaw pretty well all kinds of tubing (which isn't practical).
I challenge you to show us where he claims to love satan
Your "Christianity" is like pick 'n' mix
AFAICT, your "Christianity" is just a front for bigotory and the desire to impose your will on others. 99% of the BS you spout has little to do with the scriptures.
Only by taking a stance against the Devil are you assured a place with our Lord in Heaven.
What a load of crap. This is a perfect example of you simply spinning shit that is not supported by anything in the bible. Again, I put it to you that you are simply using christianity as a front to impose your will on others. Christianity is supposed to be about a relationship with god, not about making a protest march against "satan".
Note that Canada isn't exactly a paradise for legal marijuana users. There are something like 35 or 40 people living in Canada who have been given permission to use marijuana. There have been stories of them getting mistakenly arrested (because, I believe, the police departments don't have any sort of official list of who's allowed and who's not), not to mention that they have a hell of a time trying to find it (many of them reportedly have to resort to buying it off a dealer on the street). I think the government (especially the NDP) is looking to improve the situation, but, generally speaking, the government still seems to be a bit nervous around the word "marijuana".
Your path sounds more like one of self righteous and a zealousness about imposing your will on others.
Remember this - one day you will be found wanting and will suffer the consequences of your filthy behaviour.
And you'll just be grinning like a cheshire cat when he "suffers" and receives "the wrath of god" ? Yeah, that'd be right. You are full of hatred and spite for those who protest when you try to impose your will on them. I would rather be called a "satanist" than to be as full of bile as you seem to be.
"WItches" were publically burned in the "name of the lord". The spanish inquisition was conducted "in the name of the lord". Arabs were slaughtered in "the name of the lord".
While you sanction such attrocities, you go purple in the face at such "moral outrages" as women being paid first-world wages to pose in "dirty pictures".
You are truly a hateful and sick man, and I bet god is embarrassed to have you misrepresenting him. If it weren't for his infinite mercy, he'd sue you for defamation.
>>...Christianity is the one true faith and the other so-called religions are just statue-worhsipping and nature cults with beliefs that are indefensible in the face of revealed Truth.
Who exactly TOLD you that "Christianity is the one true faith"? Why do you think they are right any everyone else is wrong?
>>All we are trying to do is force you to see that unless you embrace the Lord you are destined to eternal damnation.
Here is a *PERFECT* example of what I am talking about. Look at the words you have used. "All we are trying to do is FORCE you..." This is what I have a problem with. If you believe you are going to heaven and everyone else will be eternally damned, then FINE. Believe it! Leave us the fuck alone! Quit trying to shove your warped view of the world down everyone's thoats.
-j
You don't need to be unmarried to view porn.
Pornography is degrading to both men and women.
How so ? I consider your patronising attitude towards those that are "exploited" to be degrading.
A true man has no need to look at glossy pictures of naked women, they are quite capable of finding themselves a real woman.
Are you arguing
(1) that anyone who is single is not a "true man" ? Where does the bible suggest this ? Your bigotry is disgusting. There are many perfectly decent men ( even christians !!! ) who have some difficulty finding a partner.
Women are exploited in these magazines with both the promise of money
Well it's a promise that is met, almost all the mags do pay up. Why are you so outraged by this "exploitation" ? They actually get good money for it, they are not "victims", and most of them would consider your attitude both chauvanistic and patronising. Do you own any clothing made in China ? There is real exploitation taking place in the world, workers locked in factories, etc, and while all this happens, you are more concerned about the "dirty pictures" stuff.
It is a symptom of the moral decay of modern society that the pornography business has become so huge.
No, it's a symptom of technology. Before then, we had prostitution, and that is not only a large industry but a very old one, and it thrived even in the "morally correct" victorian era. You can strike out the industry, but like it or not, "god" gave us sexual desires and industry or no industry, they won't go away.
On a serious note, *I* find it sad that you crusade for your religion in the first place. I find it even sadder that you crusade on the Internet, and waste your time preaching to a bunch of people, like myself, who merely brush you off as humorous. Why don't you go to church and do some more posturing and "preaching to the choir." It might make you feel better.
On a somewhat less serious note, if you feel that denying yourself simple pleasures, and believing in a single supreme being who would force you to deny yourself simple pleasures makes you a better person, by all means please continue, just leave other people out of it. Meanwhile I will continue to masturbate constantly.
Is this person the same one who was in the MOD 'hacking' (probably not the right use but it is the one they used to describe themselves) group several years ago? The name is the same and I was just wondering if it was coincidence or something else. If anybody knows I'd like hear from them.
Where am I going and how did I get in this handbasket?
Not sure. I know they will take the car for running sstolen goods. Guess you would have to find a really really pissy cop to try that. But we know copyright is a bigger issue online than off.
Tom
Reality does not happen until you analyze the dots. -Don DeLillo (Underworld)
That's the sad part. It's only a bigger issue because people don't understand.
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Come on guys, break out the usual excuses for IP theft:
1) Those models don't really get that much money from the magazine, they make up for it by dancing live or giving lap dances or whatever
2) Theres only a few good pages in every issue of Penthouse, why do they make me buy all those pages I'm not interested in (like the ones with words on them)
3) The porn industry is controlled by the major players and they keep the prices too high anyway...
etc.. etc... etc...
DrLunch.com The site that tells you what's for lunch!
In Conneticut you can lose your car if you use it to solicit a prostitute.
Or how bout this one:
There's an article (from a libertarian point of view) on this here
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there is porn for women as well, you do realize that don't you? does this mean that by your statements that men are also exploited and fed lies by the industry?
both sexes know exactly what's involved when they do this. (hrm, i'm gonna make this arguement using women, but i'd assume the same could be applied to men).
do you really think that women don't know that they are being looked at and talked about when they go out to clubs, etc wearing practially NOTHING? they know exactly what's going through mens' heads - would you say they are degrading themselves at that point as well?
if they didn't want to be stared, oggled, fantasized about, or whatever, then they wouldn't dress that way to begin with. there's a line from the movie swingers which sums this up perfectly, and unfortunately i can't think of it this morning. (i knew i should have watched it last night)
the same holds true for porn. both sexes know exactly what they are getting involved with when they decide they want to be a part of the industry.
you can continue to think it's immoral if that's how you feel, but by no means are ppl being victomized or degraded by any means.
-Jae
So in other words, you're all for free speech, as long as it doesn't badmouth your imaginary friend in the sky.
What are the legal differences in going after the individual ? Won't the level of costs be determine by how much the information was diseminated ? This would be a result of the ISP rather than the individual.
This however appears to be almost the individual as a corporation. As Maud'Dib was servicing requests from others (ooerr). Sort of like one individual on Napster acting as the sole copier of Metallica CDs.
Personally I think that these various cases addressing the different issues (negligence in the part of Napster, copyright violation by Napster users, and this one theft and distribution) are a good thing(tm) for us all. By allowing the LAW to determine what is right and wrong you can remove many problems associated with letting Politicians and "interested parties" defining the process.
An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
Not because of any reasons to do with copyright or the nebulous notion of freedom, but pure and simply because pornography is immoral. It serves no purpose to society but to sate the unwholesome appetites of certain elements of the male population who, for whatever reason, cannot find themselves a woman to marry. You're so right. We all should be walking naked instead. No more industry. (information wants to be free ?)
> > Wouldn't sex without the intent to bear a child be wasting
> > a "seed"? Isn't birth control a "sin"?
> Not as long as you have already fufilled the purpose and
> created a child, no.
Dear me, dear me, dear me. I am shocked. Your words are ghastly. This is absolutely horrible. You mean to tell me that you think unlimited hedonistic fornication is not a sin just because you and that harlot of a wife of yours have already had a child once? Dare you to mouth such heresy before the open public? Do you suppose, in your vanity, that the fact that you are a parent bleaches out the black immorality of your pleasure-seeking lustful genital connections?
This is a lie and an abomination against all decency and sanctity, as you are well aware. Holy Church doctrine clearly states that the only excuse that is acceptable for any instance of sexual congress is the intent to create a child during that one particular act of copulation. The incidental fact that you might once have had a child doesn't free you from the indelible stain of lewdness, should you and your Hell-bent wife shamelessly indulge your gross appetites for the sheer pleasure of such indulgence, as you have already publicly confessed to so doing. In fact, even to merely contemplate so nightmarish an obscenity -
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
is the very depth and nadir of mortal sin.
Hell yawns wide for such as you, sex fiend. Hell, Hell, Hell, Hell, Hell, inevitably awaits you. Doomed sinner! Lewd, proud fool! You are damned! You have fallen! And you can't get up.
Unmercifully yours, WDK - WKiernan@concentric.net
They are pursuing action against one single individual, who was COMPLETELY mirroring absolutely EVERYTHING in near realtime, from Penthouse's internal pay-site to Usenet.
Literally hours after being put up, shoots were appearing on Usenet.
In the time since the story (May 2) another person or two have taken up the 'mirroring'. I haven't heard whether he/they/(she?) have been brought to task yet or not.
Penthouse magazine contains pictures of naked women?? I was so busy reading the articles I never noticed!
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If you really believe that what you are preaching is right and in the full name of God then give me your address so I can come and kill you so you can get to heaven faster. If you don't I'll assume you're just joking. On a more serious note, I am christian and while I am not a zealot for the religion I am knowledgable enough to know when certain people have been brainwashed into thinking crap. I've seen this happen so many times with christianity and honestly it makes me sick.
Officials entered the subject's premises, which were then searched and all computer equipment and storage media found there were seized and placed under seal.
Why is it that they always sieze computer equipment in these cases? It strikes me as rather strange. I mean, if someone was distributing photocopies of a magazine from a car, then they wouldn't take the car off you after you had been caught, would they?
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I just read alt.binaries.penthouse for the articles :)
Not to mention all the Penthouse models we'll be hanging with in Hell. Woo-hoo!
Sorry smartguy! Penthouse is not going after the medium of travel that the images take. They are going after the person who initiates the sending of these images. If you would quit acting like a TROLL, then perhaps you'd understand that. Personally I think that you are just pissed off because you like to download these things and get to look at copyrighted penthouse pictures for free without purchasing their magazine. Joe
Out of all the big businesses a Porn company is the only one making any sense. Instead of suing the ISP's, or trying to shut down the companies that make the newsreaders etc. they are doing the sensible thing and going after the real offender. I guess they are open-minded. :)
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Penthouse and Larry Flynt have a long history of fighting free speech battles. It's no big surprise that they're handling the case well (going after the poster instead of suing ISPs to block a whole bunch of stuff).
So let me get this straight. A story, posted on Yahoo three weeks ago, has suddenly become News For Nerds. Why? Let me guess - if it were Disney going after people posting cartoons, /. wouldn't give a flying fsck. This is hardly web shattering, so why not save the jerking off for usenet. Slashdot is supposed to be Stuff That Matters.
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"At least" they're going after the poster. So what part of copyright and property ownership is so morally wrong to slashdot in general? Why is it wrong for Penthouse to not want you to redistribute stuff that belongs to them, that they made, and that they distribute, for their profit?
I forgot, it's the same law congress passed that let Slashdot posters dictate who has intellectual property control over Metallica's property.
Sorry, but the proposal that I think you're speaking of is not a good thing - and penthouse.com, ironically, has proven that it isn't necessary.
It sounds like you're referencing the Public Policy Institute's proposal that organizations like Napster should be required to obtain personal information (name, credit card #, other stuff) about users before they are able to use the program. This goes against the nature of the Internet, e.g. anonymity if desired, free expression and participation, etc. This proposal is clearly designed to subject users to onerous monitoring by large corporations with even larger legal budgets. Penthouse.com, on the other hand, was able to stop wholesale theft of their property against Maud'Dib by closely watching his actions, and unmasking his anonymity, probably through IP information or some other means. The point is, they went out and looked for his identity, they didn't have it handed to them. Once they got Maud'Dib, they announced that he was caught and warned other users that they were ready to act on other violations as well. They did it once, they did it in a responsible manner, and they did it successfully. The people who are whining now are just pissed because they can't get their Penthouse porn for free.
It is also useful to contrast Penthouse's actions with Metallica's. Penthouse went after a few people after confirming that massive copyright violations were being committed by those persons; Metallica sloppily accused 300K+ Napster users of copyright violations without clear and convincing proof to that end (are filenames what they say they are?). Penthouse aimed to stop near real-time illegal distribution of their material; Metallica has stated (or at least heavily implied) that the aim of their actions against Napster users is to shut Napster down. The two cases seem to be very different.
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Hell yes!
Actually that wasting the seed stuff is baloney. Even if a person didn't masturbate the he would still experience what is known as a nocturnal emission or "wet dream" which is natural way for the body to get rid of excess "seed" while it is sleeping possible against a persons will. Is this natural biological act the work of Satan? I think not. Sorry.
If the statement is true, that a large bulk of material has been copied from a pay site.. I say fair play to the guys. They pay their money to get the pics, and recoup it from memberships. I doubt very much that they'd have instigates such expensive and draconian measures if the quantity of material lifted from their site wasn't suitably vast. Maybe I'm missing something somewhere, but this seems a perfectly legit use of the copyright laws. Just my tuppence worth, Malk.
Just think about the one's who they went after. It's one think to save pictures from a porn site, to spread them is another. I bet those they catch don't even have an account on penthouse.com Wonder how many of them will get to have a _serious_ conversation with their parents.
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This is really good IMHO. Not that people are stealing porn, or penthouse is showing off it's huge uh legal team, but they are doing it the right way.
See, they go after the poster, the one that commited the crime, slap him with a small fine and embrass the hell out of him so he doesn't do it again, penthouse gets from cash from it and everyone is happy.
If penthouse decided to go after the news group or hosting provided, this would be a bad thing almost as stupid as if Metallica went after Napaster instead of the users.
Metallica could learn a lot about the way penthouse is handling this. Like I said a million times before, dam Metallica really needs to get some porn and just fsck chill out.
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Also, PH would have to receive a post before they would have its message id to cancel it. If there's time for PH to receive the post, there's time for others to receive it too.
I was always under the assumption that if a cancel request arrived later then the header would remain, yet trying to retrieve the article would result in a error stating that it had expired. Or am I talking about something different?
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Let out all that hostility, you nihilist.
Sounds like Darth Vader... Come with me Luke, or you'll star in "Corvette Summer"...
Sorry that wouldn't work. You'd have to do a: s/their goes/there goes/
You need to work on your belief system, pal.
Matthew 7:1-5
1 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
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37 "Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you." 39 And He spoke a parable to them: "Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into the ditch? 40 A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone who is perfectly trained will be like his teacher. 41 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the plank in your own eye? 42 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me remove the speck that is in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck that is in your brother's eye.
Hey, I only download images that I already own! Honest.
Boss of nothin. Big deal.
Son, go get daddy's hard plastic eyes.
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we are simply doing the Lord's work on Earth.
So basically, Earth is just a cotton field, and we should all just be his slaves and do anything he wants us to do. Doesn't that sound a bit like immoral things your Bible preaches against? Slavery, dictature.
Oh sorry, God can do as he wishes. How does it go again? Do as I say, don't do as I do.
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Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
Sure, it's easy for Penthouse to claim the moral high ground when they're being ripped off. But if adult content providers are so concerned about minors having access to inappropriate material, how could Playboy bring a case to the Supreme Court (and win!), bemoaning the fact that their "freedom of expression" is violated by forcing cable providers to scramble adult channels?
I realize that Playboy and Penthouse are 2 distinct and rivaling entities, but the Supreme Court ruling applies to the entire adult entertainment industry. And the fact is that that entire industry doesn't give a damn about kids.
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So there I was. Naked. In a refrigerator. With a potroast on my knees. Smokin a cigar. That's when it got REALLY weird.
Wait a minute... hmm...
Children should not be left to us the internet without adult guidance anyway. The parents are responsible for what their children see and they're also responsible to talk about those things with their children and answer their questions.
How many parents don't really care about their children and just sit them in front of TV or the computer to have 'em stop their annoying questions?
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The copyright violation is wrong and should not be taken lightly. Penthouse has every right to make money on their product.
By the way, exactly what newsgroup was this posted on? I just want to um... do some research on copyright violation.
Nope it was Hustler that had all those legal troubles. And this matter has nothing to do with freedom of expression. They are not going after posters who are posting pictures of themselves. ( Which would fall under expresion )
They are going after posters who are distributing Penthouse Copyrighted material. ( Which falls under stealing )
Why is it that just because something is done online people automatically presume it's their right to do it? If you went out and bought say the New York times and then made 1000 copies of it and sold it or distributed it for free int the "real world", you would be arrested for copyright infringement. But it's ok to do the same online?
Look I applaud Penthouse for handling this the Right Way. They are going after the copyright violators, not the services those people are using, unlike the RIAA which is after the service providers.
Ex-Nt-User
Not because of any reasons to do with copyright or the nebulous notion of freedom, but pure and simply because pornography is immoral. It serves no purpose to society but to sate the unwholesome appetites of certain elements of the male population who, for whatever reason, cannot find themselves a woman to marry.
Pornography is degrading to both men and women. It encourages the myth that all men are interested in is looking at naked women and thinking about fornicating with them, and its whole purpose is to encourage the sin of onanism, something which God-fearing Christians know to be wrong. A true man has no need to look at glossy pictures of naked women, they are quite capable of finding themselves a real woman.
Women are exploited in these magazines with both the promise of money and the supposed "liberating" experiance of being photographed without any clothes on. These are lies from an industry filled with perverts of the highest order, people for whom Satan is a way of life.
It is a symptom of the moral decay of modern society that the pornography business has become so huge. The "erotic film" industry, which takes degradation to new extremes, makes over twice as much money as all of Hollywood does each year. America has turned away from its decent, Christian roots and has become the home of perversion, the modern day Sodom and Gomorrah, and God has become "just another idea" to people who have become lost to His love.
No, the day when the whole "industry" gets struck down by lightning cannot come to soon, but in the meantime I hope that Penthouse lose this case.
If you had the photocopies stapled to the interior of the car such that anyone who wanted to read them had to get in, they probably WOULD impound the car.
Same with the computer: the illegal material i can't be taken without taking the hard drive with it.
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for Rob to post a link to Penthouse!! I'm on to you Rob Malda........
I happen to agree with the many postings to the story of Open Source Leaders Speak About Napster, that copyrights should/must be respected - for many reasons, notably that the copyright laws also are what protects GPL et. al.
Even so, I've been worried about the fuzz of napster, where the lawyers seemed to have had a hard time comprehending what exactly napster is and what exactly napster is not (the napster guys merely provide a service - some people are abusing that service, but not the napster-guys) - and in the name of "copyrighting" and "protection of property" (be that intellectual or not, depending on taste in music...).
It's good to see, that penthouse have taken a slightly different approach, and understood what USEnet is and is not - and have attacked the "problem" in the right way: by tracking and going after the people, not the medium.....
I just PRAY that they (being penthouse or the legal systems in various countries) will keep it that way, and not trying to enforce additional requirements of either the ISP's tracking the identity of every poster, scanning the postings etc....or even worse: that eventually it makes someone going after (gasp) the servers, to where the offending material is being probagated.
But for now: credit to Penthouse. They have very good points, they have the law on their side - and they seem to be doing the right thing with it....
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Thanks for the link to the penthouse site.I
didn't figure it would be that good.Nice story on anal sex with a sticky ending........baboom bah!
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...but don't all the porn sites just rip off of each other anyway?
flame away.
I think its interesting no one is defending the copying of porn, the prices and quality of the porn industry makes the RIAA look like an overpriced and pretentious 'zine factory.
I never heard (until now, that is) that you could get hold of these pics free. But now...
Get out of my way, I'm off to alt.mag.penthouse for some free pics...
Kinda like when I installed Napster after I heard of the lawsuit, I also read the kerbspec.pdf only after M$ tried to shaft Slashdot over it... (well, not really but you get the point)
One thing's for sure: all those sued by these morons should at the very least thank them for free publicity given. Best type of advertising - free!