If you give out your information, count on it being stolen. The solution is not to give it out in the first place. AFAIK, it is not legally required to give a SSN to enroll in public school.
When people or businesses ask for my SSN, I refuse. One doctor insisted, so I took my business elsewhere.
This is correct. With caveats... It is a violation of Federal Law, as written, to use a SSN for identification purposes.. However, everyone does it.. But you cannot be penalized, legally, for not giving it out for most things.
It was actually the SSN situation that first clued me in to the fact that a lot of laws are selectively enforced (also illegal). During my enlistment in the military I was surprised to see that every single document that contained a request for SSN also carried the disclaimer that "giving the SSN was voluntary but without it one could not proceed with enlistment". I'm paraphrasing. The actual disclaimer was a little more wordy and contained the US Code (if memory serves) that states that a SSN cannot be used for identification purposes. Basically they (the military) was saying "Here's the law that says we can't use your SSN for identification, but if you don't let us use it for identification we ain't gonna let you enlist"..
If you are a US citizen you are REQUIRED to get a "RealID".
Only illegals have the option to choose a non-federal ID card, er... I mean "driver's license".
Which state? This is not the case in CA. I know because when I went down to manually renew my license (i had already burned through the 3 auto-renewals and had to do it in person this time) I forgot my Birth Certificate. The lady said "No problem. We'll give you a regular DL today and, when you have time, come back with your BC and we'll convert it to a Real ID.
Two months later, I'm still carrying a regular DL. At some point I'll go "upgrade" it....
If this is CA you are referring to, the license for an illegal is different than for citizens. So, the requirements may be different, but the outcome is different as well.
If this is not CA you are talking about, my apologies for assuming..
DOB, SSNs, are all that's needed to get Birth Certificates
Close but no. You do not need a SSN to get a birth certificate. #1. BC's are issued before SSNs, (sometimes years before) so they exist independently of it. #2. It's still not mandatory to have an SSN. There can be financial penalties for not having one, but there are no criminal penalties.
Before some asshat chimes in, no, you don't need a SSN to open a bank account. You can open a bank account with an EIN. (Employment Identification Number) which is like a SSN, but different. EIN are generally issued to corporations but, you can get one as a human. It would be a giant pain-in-the-ass to go this route, but it is possible.
Why do you think that Capital One would have had access to your mother's maiden name? I've never met a single entity that had that information beforehand. Not even the Fed's when I worked for them. Like, sure they could go and look it up manually, but it's not part of a standard credit report.. It's one of those bits of information you provide.
Fairly static? They do not change. They are static, statistically speaking..
but names change with damned near every marriage
WTF? 1/2 of the students are boys.. 1/2 are girls.. So for 1/2 the marriages, involving these students/former students, the name will NOT change... 1/2 is not "nearly every".
We launch rockets all the time. We've gotten damn good at it.. How many satellites in orbit? Hundreds? More than that? I don't know, but I know it's at least a couple of hundred.
We manage to get rockets to other bodies all the time, without human help to correct for trivial errors. How much more effictive would our space projects be if there was a human to.. unstick the solar panels... or whatever.. Stuff that is easily fixed but can take down an entire mission that relies on pure automation.
I've got to guess that a mission to Mars would have a vastly larger chance of being successful if there were humans around to correct those minor issues. And we've already proven that, difficult as it is, we can get to Mars already.. So throwing some humans at the mission should make it even easier.
Then there's the issue of having all humans on one planet.. I know the odds are tiny that we'll be gone in a hundred years due to some asteroid, but there is a chance.. So why not use the knowledge and skill we already possess and spread ourselves out a little bit? I don't see any downside, species wise, and nothing but upside.
Yeah, it might kill some astronauts. So what? Thousands of people die every single year in undertakings that are nearly worthless in comparison. Plenty of humans are more than willing to engage in extreme risk for extreme reward. Why is it any more unreasonable to attempt to send man to Mars, in spite of the danger, as it is for some asshole to risk his life to free climb a rock that a hundred people have already conquered?
Being the first human to step foot on Mars is an extreme risk, that's a given. But, the reward for it, historical fame forever, is one hell of a reward. If someone wants to risk it, we should support it. NASA's budget, in comparison to the rest of the expenditures at the Federal Level, is a pittance. It's practically a math error.
And this orders of magnitude easier than going to Mars. All it required where conventional commercial sailing vessels, and ordinary supplies. Indians were able live next to Jamestown that winter just fine.
Bullshit. It wasn't orders of magnitude easier. I don't think you know what that word means. They had to navigate by the stars in boats made of wood. For us it it a matter of cost ONLY.
Yes, the only factor is COST. We have the technology already. We can put 100 million tons in orbit.. We have the technology to do it. Maybe we don't have the money, but we have the skill.
Those fuckers were sailing in boats made of wood and trying to use stars to navigate.. They didn't have modern medicine, electricity... etc..
We have EVERYTHING we need to make Mars work.. With the sole exception of money.
It took about 3 months to sail to America.. It'll take us about 4 months to get to Mars.. Same same.. But we can send automated drones loaded with supplies before or after the astronauts get there. That was not possible with wooden ships.
So fucking what? If someone wants to do it, you let them. You're an idiot.. You say "80%" as if that's proof it shouldn't have been done. So what? That gamble ended up creating the most powerful nation on Earth.. Both militarily and economically. (Not getting into the politics of that, I'm just pointing out what happened). It seems to me that history would agree that this was a good investment.
Did I say "per year"? I'm saying that we have plenty of room for more bodies..
Do you know what the percentage of developed land in the US is? I do.. It's 5%. Yeah.. 5 fucking percent.
The US, population-wise, is on the decline when only births are factored in. If it wasn't for immigration our population would be SHRINKING. i.e. without immigration, of some number, we'd have a net loss of people every year. Reproduction rates for the US are currently at 1.9. That's 1.9 replacement bodies for every 2 existing bodies.. That's a loss.
I'm not saying we should bring in a flood of people. I am saying there is ROOM for more.. The pace should be determined by people with access to better information than you or I have. Maybe 1 million/year is a good number.. Maybe it should be 500,000/year.. Fuck, maybe it should be 5,000/year. I don't know. I just know that it will be a long time before we're as crowded as China..
The solution to this would be to enact some legislation that automatically funds major departments at (say) 95% of the previously agreed budget until a new budget is agreed.
That's exactly what is happening. The government shutdown isn't the whole goddamn government shutting down. It's somewhere between 5-12% that is "non essential".
Nevertheless, those "funds" you speak of have to be BORROWED yet again! Goddamnit...
What's really sad is that you all (left and right) are a bunch of fucking morons. Not a single person, in this whole discussion, has mentioned what is actually shutting the government down.
We have run out of fucking money.. ALL OF IT IS GONE.
Trump is using this to his advantage (or so he thinks), but POLITICIANS have spent every last dime we have, including everything we have borrowed so far. There is none left.
For the government to continue to operate fully we have to BORROW MORE FUCKING MONEY.
Every goddamn year, without end, we borrow MORE AND MORE AND MORE.
No, Clinton didn't have a fucking surplus. He had a situation where more came in than was needed for operations, and some was used to pay DOWN the debt, but the debt was never eliminated. Shady accounting tricks don't equal reality.
Both sides DEMOCRAT and REPUBLICAN are bankrupting this country.
We either get it under control now or we never ever will.
He doesn't have to be personally impeached, just have members of his immediate family sent to jail with charges pending for him the moment he steps down.
Why is it you people don't get this: All Trump has to do, legally, is resign 20 minutes before his term ends. Pence would be sworn in as President and then he can pardon Trump for any and all crimes he may or may not have committed.
I'm not saying this is "right" or "wrong". I'm saying it's legal, it's constitutional, and I'm saying he's not going to jail. The only place Trump sits in jail is in delusional liberal fantasies.
I don't know if 20 minutes would be enough time, that's a bit of exaggeration on my part, but certainly a single day would suffice.
Quite frankly I was a middle of the road person, but I am heavily leaning more towards repub lately with how childish the dems are being.
I feel ya.. I didn't use to have an opinion one way or the other on trannies and homosexuals, but after the left kept trying to cram their ideology down my throat with the most extreme examples, I have become decidedly more "right".
I couldn't have cared less if two guys (or gals) got married. But when the left started telling me that a human with a penis and tits was a woman... Yeah, I don't think so.
Do you even care that a wall won't actually be that effective at preventing most illegal immigration? Most illegal immigrants don't jump the Rio Grande, they come on legal visas and just overstay them. How is a wall going to prevent that?
Aren't you interested in solutions that actually work? I think you like the idea of the Wall more than you actually care about illegal immigrants.
So? What's most? 51%? Are you one of those assholes that lives nowhere near a border and then is going to tell those of us, with eyes and who happen to live near a border (10 miles) that what we are seeing isn't actually happening?
I'll take your word on the 70%, but you are a fucking liar if you claim that huge numbers aren't pouring in from across the border. I live near it.. It's been quiet for a few months, but it's winter.. It will pick back up. It's a steady stream during the warmer months..
Fuck you for thinking that 30% isn't worth dealing with.
They probably would think of it. In fact, they already are doing it.
So if the amount of resources or personnel you have is not busy watching for people walking across the border or climbing through existing broken barriers, how many of them can be redeployed to finding the tunnels? Do you see the point here? In case not, I will say it. It is easier to focus on what is in front of you when you do not have to constantly look behind yourself. It gets rid of a distraction and allows resources to be focused on the more organized players who can be more of a serious threat. It's like driving down the freeway, if everyone is in front of you, you do not need to check your mirrors to change lanes. If people are behind and beside you, you do. A lot of people don't bother checking their mirrors and a lot of those people get into accidents.
Well said. But when you argue with liberals, who can't understand the concept of a security system with components or layers, you're just wasting your time. They're far too busy worrying that we're gonna hurt the feelz of a bunch of border hoppers.
People are Dead because the U.S. Democrats are forcing their agenda. Criminal charges of manslaughter need to be filed against these members of the DNC.
What the actual fuck? We are under no obligation to give information to any other country. We do it when we can, but we DO NOT OWE INDONESIA ANYTHING.
It is considered bad form to call someone a retard and in the very same sentence misspell the word YOU'RE. I shall call you a cunt and spell it properly.
The wall offers no security, and you know that perfectly well.
What it offers is environmental devastation and financial ruin for America.
Oh bullshit. It's a component. A locked door doesn't do shit if it's not attached to a wall. The wall has to be a minor component in a multi-layered approach, but it does need to be there. We cannot stop the FLOOD of fuckers pouring in to this country. If estimates are correct, as many as 10% of the people in this country are here illegally.
But saying the wall has no place because it, alone, won't stop all the illegals is just as retarded as saying the wall will work all by itself.
Financial ruin.. Yeah, okay.... The F-35 program has cost a trillion dollars. That's financial ruin, you asshole. Healthcare is what is going to ruin us. We either decide we're okay with tax rates up to 90% on the high side and around 50% for the regular joes, or we give up on this "we can take care of everyone" bullshit of a fucking lie.
As it stands right now, the left wants to bankrupt us with healthcare and the right wants to bankrupt us with military spending. Either way, we will be bankrupt eventually.
You're wasting your time, unfortunately. The most vocal folks in this thread seem to be defeatist cowards. They're the ones (as you pointed out) who just stood at the western shores of Europe and were terrified of the "dragons". But, it's not enough for them to be cowards, they have to convince everyone else that they're "practical" or "educated"... What they are is spineless fucks.
There is certainly a point where incoming immigration becomes too excessive, but we are tens of millions of migrants away from that.
Let me get this straight.... One million per year is tens of millions from being too excessive? We don't have enough housing for our current citizens (thanks to liberal NIMBYs). And you think that we have the resources / infrastructure for tens of millions more?
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If you give out your information, count on it being stolen. The solution is not to give it out in the first place. AFAIK, it is not legally required to give a SSN to enroll in public school.
When people or businesses ask for my SSN, I refuse. One doctor insisted, so I took my business elsewhere.
This is correct. With caveats... It is a violation of Federal Law, as written, to use a SSN for identification purposes.. However, everyone does it.. But you cannot be penalized, legally, for not giving it out for most things.
It was actually the SSN situation that first clued me in to the fact that a lot of laws are selectively enforced (also illegal). During my enlistment in the military I was surprised to see that every single document that contained a request for SSN also carried the disclaimer that "giving the SSN was voluntary but without it one could not proceed with enlistment". I'm paraphrasing. The actual disclaimer was a little more wordy and contained the US Code (if memory serves) that states that a SSN cannot be used for identification purposes. Basically they (the military) was saying "Here's the law that says we can't use your SSN for identification, but if you don't let us use it for identification we ain't gonna let you enlist"..
It was.. enlightening..
If you are a US citizen you are REQUIRED to get a "RealID".
Only illegals have the option to choose a non-federal ID card, er... I mean "driver's license".
Which state? This is not the case in CA. I know because when I went down to manually renew my license (i had already burned through the 3 auto-renewals and had to do it in person this time) I forgot my Birth Certificate. The lady said "No problem. We'll give you a regular DL today and, when you have time, come back with your BC and we'll convert it to a Real ID. Two months later, I'm still carrying a regular DL. At some point I'll go "upgrade" it....
If this is CA you are referring to, the license for an illegal is different than for citizens. So, the requirements may be different, but the outcome is different as well.
If this is not CA you are talking about, my apologies for assuming..
DOB, SSNs, are all that's needed to get Birth Certificates
Close but no. You do not need a SSN to get a birth certificate.
#1. BC's are issued before SSNs, (sometimes years before) so they exist independently of it.
#2. It's still not mandatory to have an SSN. There can be financial penalties for not having one, but there are no criminal penalties.
Before some asshat chimes in, no, you don't need a SSN to open a bank account. You can open a bank account with an EIN. (Employment Identification Number) which is like a SSN, but different. EIN are generally issued to corporations but, you can get one as a human. It would be a giant pain-in-the-ass to go this route, but it is possible.
but the mother's maiden name wasn't even close.
Why do you think that Capital One would have had access to your mother's maiden name? I've never met a single entity that had that information beforehand. Not even the Fed's when I worked for them. Like, sure they could go and look it up manually, but it's not part of a standard credit report.. It's one of those bits of information you provide.
Social security numbers are fairly static
Fairly static? They do not change. They are static, statistically speaking..
but names change with damned near every marriage
WTF? 1/2 of the students are boys.. 1/2 are girls.. So for 1/2 the marriages, involving these students/former students, the name will NOT change... 1/2 is not "nearly every".
We launch rockets all the time. We've gotten damn good at it.. How many satellites in orbit? Hundreds? More than that? I don't know, but I know it's at least a couple of hundred.
We manage to get rockets to other bodies all the time, without human help to correct for trivial errors. How much more effictive would our space projects be if there was a human to.. unstick the solar panels... or whatever.. Stuff that is easily fixed but can take down an entire mission that relies on pure automation.
I've got to guess that a mission to Mars would have a vastly larger chance of being successful if there were humans around to correct those minor issues. And we've already proven that, difficult as it is, we can get to Mars already.. So throwing some humans at the mission should make it even easier.
Then there's the issue of having all humans on one planet.. I know the odds are tiny that we'll be gone in a hundred years due to some asteroid, but there is a chance.. So why not use the knowledge and skill we already possess and spread ourselves out a little bit? I don't see any downside, species wise, and nothing but upside.
Yeah, it might kill some astronauts. So what? Thousands of people die every single year in undertakings that are nearly worthless in comparison. Plenty of humans are more than willing to engage in extreme risk for extreme reward. Why is it any more unreasonable to attempt to send man to Mars, in spite of the danger, as it is for some asshole to risk his life to free climb a rock that a hundred people have already conquered?
Being the first human to step foot on Mars is an extreme risk, that's a given. But, the reward for it, historical fame forever, is one hell of a reward. If someone wants to risk it, we should support it. NASA's budget, in comparison to the rest of the expenditures at the Federal Level, is a pittance. It's practically a math error.
And this orders of magnitude easier than going to Mars. All it required where conventional commercial sailing vessels, and ordinary supplies. Indians were able live next to Jamestown that winter just fine.
Bullshit. It wasn't orders of magnitude easier. I don't think you know what that word means. They had to navigate by the stars in boats made of wood. For us it it a matter of cost ONLY.
Yes, the only factor is COST. We have the technology already. We can put 100 million tons in orbit.. We have the technology to do it. Maybe we don't have the money, but we have the skill.
Those fuckers were sailing in boats made of wood and trying to use stars to navigate.. They didn't have modern medicine, electricity... etc..
We have EVERYTHING we need to make Mars work.. With the sole exception of money.
It took about 3 months to sail to America.. It'll take us about 4 months to get to Mars.. Same same.. But we can send automated drones loaded with supplies before or after the astronauts get there. That was not possible with wooden ships.
So fucking what? If someone wants to do it, you let them. You're an idiot.. You say "80%" as if that's proof it shouldn't have been done. So what? That gamble ended up creating the most powerful nation on Earth.. Both militarily and economically. (Not getting into the politics of that, I'm just pointing out what happened). It seems to me that history would agree that this was a good investment.
Did I say "per year"? I'm saying that we have plenty of room for more bodies..
Do you know what the percentage of developed land in the US is? I do.. It's 5%. Yeah.. 5 fucking percent.
The US, population-wise, is on the decline when only births are factored in. If it wasn't for immigration our population would be SHRINKING. i.e. without immigration, of some number, we'd have a net loss of people every year. Reproduction rates for the US are currently at 1.9. That's 1.9 replacement bodies for every 2 existing bodies.. That's a loss.
I'm not saying we should bring in a flood of people. I am saying there is ROOM for more.. The pace should be determined by people with access to better information than you or I have. Maybe 1 million/year is a good number.. Maybe it should be 500,000/year.. Fuck, maybe it should be 5,000/year. I don't know. I just know that it will be a long time before we're as crowded as China..
Awesome retort.. If you can't be bothered why did you hit reply? I destroyed your argument and that's your come back?
The solution to this would be to enact some legislation that automatically funds major departments at (say) 95% of the previously agreed budget until a new budget is agreed.
That's exactly what is happening. The government shutdown isn't the whole goddamn government shutting down. It's somewhere between 5-12% that is "non essential". Nevertheless, those "funds" you speak of have to be BORROWED yet again! Goddamnit...
What's really sad is that you all (left and right) are a bunch of fucking morons. Not a single person, in this whole discussion, has mentioned what is actually shutting the government down.
We have run out of fucking money.. ALL OF IT IS GONE.
Trump is using this to his advantage (or so he thinks), but POLITICIANS have spent every last dime we have, including everything we have borrowed so far. There is none left.
For the government to continue to operate fully we have to BORROW MORE FUCKING MONEY.
Every goddamn year, without end, we borrow MORE AND MORE AND MORE.
No, Clinton didn't have a fucking surplus. He had a situation where more came in than was needed for operations, and some was used to pay DOWN the debt, but the debt was never eliminated. Shady accounting tricks don't equal reality.
Both sides DEMOCRAT and REPUBLICAN are bankrupting this country. We either get it under control now or we never ever will.
Fuck you all
He doesn't have to be personally impeached, just have members of his immediate family sent to jail with charges pending for him the moment he steps down.
Why is it you people don't get this: All Trump has to do, legally, is resign 20 minutes before his term ends. Pence would be sworn in as President and then he can pardon Trump for any and all crimes he may or may not have committed. I'm not saying this is "right" or "wrong". I'm saying it's legal, it's constitutional, and I'm saying he's not going to jail. The only place Trump sits in jail is in delusional liberal fantasies. I don't know if 20 minutes would be enough time, that's a bit of exaggeration on my part, but certainly a single day would suffice.
Quite frankly I was a middle of the road person, but I am heavily leaning more towards repub lately with how childish the dems are being.
I feel ya.. I didn't use to have an opinion one way or the other on trannies and homosexuals, but after the left kept trying to cram their ideology down my throat with the most extreme examples, I have become decidedly more "right". I couldn't have cared less if two guys (or gals) got married. But when the left started telling me that a human with a penis and tits was a woman... Yeah, I don't think so.
Do you even care that a wall won't actually be that effective at preventing most illegal immigration? Most illegal immigrants don't jump the Rio Grande, they come on legal visas and just overstay them. How is a wall going to prevent that?
Aren't you interested in solutions that actually work? I think you like the idea of the Wall more than you actually care about illegal immigrants.
So? What's most? 51%? Are you one of those assholes that lives nowhere near a border and then is going to tell those of us, with eyes and who happen to live near a border (10 miles) that what we are seeing isn't actually happening?
I'll take your word on the 70%, but you are a fucking liar if you claim that huge numbers aren't pouring in from across the border. I live near it.. It's been quiet for a few months, but it's winter.. It will pick back up. It's a steady stream during the warmer months..
Fuck you for thinking that 30% isn't worth dealing with.
They probably would think of it. In fact, they already are doing it.
So if the amount of resources or personnel you have is not busy watching for people walking across the border or climbing through existing broken barriers, how many of them can be redeployed to finding the tunnels? Do you see the point here? In case not, I will say it. It is easier to focus on what is in front of you when you do not have to constantly look behind yourself. It gets rid of a distraction and allows resources to be focused on the more organized players who can be more of a serious threat. It's like driving down the freeway, if everyone is in front of you, you do not need to check your mirrors to change lanes. If people are behind and beside you, you do. A lot of people don't bother checking their mirrors and a lot of those people get into accidents.
Well said. But when you argue with liberals, who can't understand the concept of a security system with components or layers, you're just wasting your time. They're far too busy worrying that we're gonna hurt the feelz of a bunch of border hoppers.
I rock climb/cave and have a few hundred dollars of climbing gear and could scale any wall the government built with only a few minutes planning.
Yeah, that's totally indicative of the general population.. All of a bunch of rock climbers.. So if one person can defeat the wall.....
Asshole.
It did not cause the Tsunami, but hindered the alerts for a people that have grown dependent upon them.
Amazing how, when you give people shit for free, they grow dependent and don't do anything for themselves.... Interesting..
This shit right here.
People are Dead because the U.S. Democrats are forcing their agenda. Criminal charges of manslaughter need to be filed against these members of the DNC.
What the actual fuck? We are under no obligation to give information to any other country. We do it when we can, but we DO NOT OWE INDONESIA ANYTHING.
Holy shit your are a retard.
It is considered bad form to call someone a retard and in the very same sentence misspell the word YOU'RE. I shall call you a cunt and spell it properly.
Cunt
The wall offers no security, and you know that perfectly well.
What it offers is environmental devastation and financial ruin for America.
Oh bullshit. It's a component. A locked door doesn't do shit if it's not attached to a wall. The wall has to be a minor component in a multi-layered approach, but it does need to be there. We cannot stop the FLOOD of fuckers pouring in to this country. If estimates are correct, as many as 10% of the people in this country are here illegally.
But saying the wall has no place because it, alone, won't stop all the illegals is just as retarded as saying the wall will work all by itself.
Financial ruin.. Yeah, okay.... The F-35 program has cost a trillion dollars. That's financial ruin, you asshole. Healthcare is what is going to ruin us. We either decide we're okay with tax rates up to 90% on the high side and around 50% for the regular joes, or we give up on this "we can take care of everyone" bullshit of a fucking lie.
As it stands right now, the left wants to bankrupt us with healthcare and the right wants to bankrupt us with military spending. Either way, we will be bankrupt eventually.
You're wasting your time, unfortunately. The most vocal folks in this thread seem to be defeatist cowards. They're the ones (as you pointed out) who just stood at the western shores of Europe and were terrified of the "dragons". But, it's not enough for them to be cowards, they have to convince everyone else that they're "practical" or "educated"... What they are is spineless fucks.
There is certainly a point where incoming immigration becomes too excessive, but we are tens of millions of migrants away from that.
Let me get this straight.... One million per year is tens of millions from being too excessive? We don't have enough housing for our current citizens (thanks to liberal NIMBYs). And you think that we have the resources / infrastructure for tens of millions more?