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US Geological Survey Unable To Provide Indonesia Tsunami Data Due To Government Shutdown (huffingtonpost.com.au)
An underwater landslide caused by activity from the Anak Krakatau volcano is being blamed for a tsunami that struck Indonesia late Saturday, killing at least 222 people and injuring more than 800 others. Normally, the U.S. Geological Survey would report on such events and provide any necessary data it had to the public. But it can't due to America's partial government shutdown, which began Saturday after President Donald Trump refused to sign legislation that didn't include funding for his southern border wall. From a report: The USGS website is dormant as of Sunday, except for a notice at the top. "Due to a lapse in appropriations, the majority of USGS websites may not be up to date and may not reflect current conditions," the note reads. "Websites displaying real-time data, such as Earthquake and Water and information needed for public health and safety will be updated with limited support." According to the government shutdown contingency plan, the USGS will retain just 75 of its estimated 8,032 employees, or 0.9 percent. "The USGS will suspend the majority of its activities with the exception of those functions to protect life and property," the plan states. The document also claims that 450 employees will be "on call" for natural disasters, but it's unclear if that process has been enacted, as the USGS website says the agency is not "able to respond to inquiries until appropriations are enacted."
It's a shame that this far right tantrum us wasting money and will keep government employees from being paid on time. Furloughed workers will get back pay for them not to work during the shutdown. The shutdown will probably extend into January, and employees who are working will have their paycheck delayed. Meanwhile, many very useful but non-essential services aren't being provided at all. Shame on the far right.
They're terrible. Pack it up. We all gonna die.
During Gov shutdowns the departments still get their funding and everyone is salaried anyway. We all took it as an excellent excuse to not go into work and still get paid.
This happened several times over the last two administrations. New boss is same as the old boss and some extra paid time off has always been welcomed.
Trump would gladly sign legislation if Senate democrats cared one whit about border security. For some inexplicable reason they've done a full 180 on it over the past decade (Obama, Hillary and Biden all voted for a border fence) and now they propose to have no Southern border at all because "who's gonna pick my cotton" reasons. I get why they are doing this. Once legalized, illegals overwhelmingly vote Dem. There are some 15 million of them in the country already, and margins are razor thin in a lot of cases, so legalizing even a substantial fraction of illegals means permanent voting majority. But as a US citizen and taxpayer, I abhor this logic, and will do everything I can so they can't pull it off. This is bullshit, pure and simple. I demand a protected Southern border, now.
They don't pay US taxes, fuck off!
Lock him up
Why isn't the Indonesian Geological Survey providing tsunami data?
I don't know if people post this in jest, but on a serious note, Trump will win the 2020 election. That's just the way the historic dice rolled.
Unless he crashes the economy or gets impeached. But both of those are extremely unlikely.
That's -our- southern border wall.
Border security NOW.
A "shutdown" pissing contest where one side isn't impotent, this should be good.
It’s too late for that. He may be impeached during his second term though.
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Its not Trumps job to protect Indonesians from tsunamis, my dude.
He will not survive that long.
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It's amazing that you're an even more worthless piece of shit than Trump is. I honestly didn't think there were that many around, given that it's so low of a bar.
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Why aren't the Trump-loving libertarians opposing this on the fact that it will be the US taxpayer paying for the wall when their dear leader promised them the Mexicans would pay for it?
Could it be libertarians are just a bunch of hypocritical cunts?
Those who do not learn from commit history are doomed to regress it.
Itâ(TM)s all just liberal lies anyway. Trump will tell us all we need to know and so far, he doesnâ(TM)t give a shit. So it doesnâ(TM)t matter at all. Fake news
How is this not an automated system?
I never voted for Trump, but seriously, why should the US go into debt to China to pay for services that other countries won't pay for at all? Way to point fingers. The OP could run for office.
Trump caved and agreed not to raise tariffs at the last second. There is no extra money. We're going to need to borrow from China to pay for the wall. All that to feed Trump's ego.
You mean that when US citizens buy Mexican goods they would pay a tax? In which case you really do need to understand something: those people who are paying are not from Mexico. They are what is known as "Americans". For clarity: people from the USA.
This is NOT anywhere near "Mexico is paying for the wall". It is "Trump wants a tax on US citizens so the US can pay for a wall".
Ken Doll only gives a shit about his own fat dumb ass
U r to stupid to govern yourself, u should go back to the Queen (or Putin) and ask for help. How dumb u people must be to a) elect an idiot and b) bare with him? Well the answer to both is simple - u r dumb and u can't comprehend that there is a problem.
Regardless of whether you blame Trump or the DNC for the shutdown, what astounds me is that it is permitted to happen at all.
The solution to this would be to enact some legislation that automatically funds major departments at (say) 95% of the previously agreed budget until a new budget is agreed.
Even if that is not acceptable, some employees are expected to work without a paycheck - again legislation should be enacted that 'essential' employees (e.g. emergency services) are automatically funded.
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I just wonder why it is the job of the American taxpayer to pay for, provide and manage Indonesia's tsunami warning system. We are thanks to both parties in Washington 22 trillion in debt and that is growing out of control.
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Just my 2 cents
Keep dreamin, If there were impeachable offenses, they would have already made the light of day. We are going into the 3rd year of his term now and nothing but a bunch of loudly whining dems.
Quite frankly I was a middle of the road person, but I am heavily leaning more towards repub lately with how childish the dems are being. If there are more like me, it is quite frankly a great possibility Trump will see a 2nd term, especially if the dems try and run Hillary against him again, or cant find any other strong candidate. The dem party is a fucking joke at the moment. The fact that Nancy is going to be speaker of the house AGAIN shows even more that nothing has changed in the party. Get that old bag out of there and let some fresh meat and ideas lead the house.
If you have the info, you don't hold out on people. That's fucked up. Trump is only president because of the stinker that the democrats ran against him. If people demanded that they run a decent candidate, we wouldn't be going through this. This is the democrats' fault. They suck! And so do the little snowflake moderators that don't want to know the truth!
Democrats ruin cities, states and our NATION.
All the worst economies and crime filled cities are strongly Democrat run.
All the best and most prosperous cities are REPUBLICAN run areas.
Maybe its Black IQ, maybe its fiscal responsibility. It could be many factors. But it is a fact : DEMOCRATS ruin society and read the news the least and are the least informed.
WHY would you fund something that from the cost/benefit perspective surely must be one of the dumbest ideas any US government has ever had?
Ezekiel 23:20
It's probably WindBourne. often does that.
There will always be consequences for you nazi traitor faggot Ken Doll and we're going to visit you soon bitch
Hey guess what? If it were not for Trump the government would still be fully up (only.a tiny part is really shut down) - at the same time it is ALSO true that if even ten Democrats agreed to fund the wall, the government would be fully up as well.
Fund the wall? The same wall that he promised that the Mexicans would pay for? That wouldn't cost taxpayers anything? What a nice way to keep your campaign promises. But then again, he has never been much for keeping any kinds of promises has he?
Why would any sane human being (Democrats, Republicans or whatever) agree to fund one mans lunatic vanity project? Show me a 20-foot wall and I will show you a 21-foot ladder. That wall is not going to help very much, other than be a huge waste of taxpayer money and pocket lining for opportunist (or worse, corrupt) construction companies.
As if brown muslim people can't handle the responsibility for their own citizens and white foreigners must come and save them from themselves.
American colonial thinking in it's lefty dress.
Pretty much the most intelligent comment on here, and some twit still downmodded it to -1.
You mean Republican educations? Yeah we don't fund that anymore, too many braindead conservative faggots committing treason. Kill em instead.
Speaking of the unstoppable juggernaut of government, aren't you a bit worried about it trying to piss away billions of your dollars on something known not to work? I mean China built a wall far bigger and better than the one Trump wants, and that wasn't very effective...
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He doesn't have to be personally impeached, just have members of his immediate family sent to jail with charges pending for him the moment he steps down.
That the Democrats are keeping quiet doesn't mean they don't have anyone. It just means that they took the advice to never interrupt your opponent when they are making a mistake, and don't see any value in providing opportunities for the Republicans to start smearing their candidates early.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
You'll know the supervolcano eruption has occured when the sky turns black for the next five years.
The Democrats and Republicans had a spending bill ready to go - which included $1.6 billion for border security (including fencing).
Trump got goaded by Fox News and other right wing multi-millionaire professional political trolls, and is throwing this temper tantrum.
That spineless lying sack of shit Mitch McConnell stood there and just said that it's between the Democrats and Trump - 100% bullshit.
If Mitch had and balls he'd stand up to Trump and with the bill that he already agreed to pass with the Democrats, just ram the fucker through.
But no, McConnell and all the Republicans in Washington are cowardly lying pieces of shit that put party before country.
The Republican party has lost all honor, credibility and all sense of duty.
Fuck them forever! Bring back the Federalists!
The only way he'll get elected is if the Democrats are stupid enough to run a left-wing loon like Bernie or Warren. My bet is on impeachment though. If Mueller turns up enough naughty things, and Republicans in Congress feel he's too toxic, he's toast.
Since your "evidence" for California spending $23 Billion on illegal immigrants comes from the Washington Examine. The Wash. Ex. is merely a "conservative" mouthpiece. It is owned by Philip Anschutz who is a billionaire, right wingnut religious conservative.
If this is where you are getting your "facts", I think we can dismiss the rest of your post.
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Maybe you are not skilled or poorly skilled in Google Foo but it is widely accepted that it isn't a complete waste. It is hard to put a cost benefit analysis on security. For instance, every year almost every town in the US spends more on police and fire resources than those expenditures directly generate in revenue savings or increases.Does that seem like one of the dumbest ideas those governments have implemented?
Democrats forced The first and one term Bush to raise taxes to pay for Iraq war. Lost re-election and more importantly the Republican Party headed far right refusing to compromise. Trump swooped in as a change of guard felt worth a risk by many and others apathetic soured they all suck. Careful what you wish for coz unintended consequences. One of numerous speculations. This is Government at work part of the process. For propaganda Congress could offer to match Mexicoâ(TM)s contributions toward a wall ;) though for a win Make it a firewall instead.
"Why aren't the Trump-loving libertarians opposing this on the fact that it will be the US taxpayer paying for the wall when their dear leader promised them the Mexicans would pay for it? "
Libertarianism is a red herring. It's irrelevant to this discussion. Why aren't Trump supporters etc. The answer is that they are stupid. To wit, they have demonstrated a willingness to believe that Trump is somehow getting the money from Mexico. Now they can blame the situation on Congress.
"Could it be libertarians are just a bunch of hypocritical cunts?"
They are, because they will claim others are ignoring reality when that is literally their whole thing, specifically pretending that anarchy does not lead naturally to feudalism because none of us are islands. However, it's not clear what that has to do with this. Most Trump supporters are not libertarians, they are boring old Republicans.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
It's also true that if Trump weren't a sociopathic sleazebag there would be no shutdown, and it's also true that a border wall is a stupid idea on all levels since it won't work. If you get near a point, make it.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Japan nearby with similar fears of tsunamis having coined the term offers studies as well. This is a well known risk to many but since hard to predict and costly to monitor we take our chances.
What is Indonesia going to do with the data? Figure out if it was a tsunami or how big it was? At least this point, Indonesia needs aid. I don't know if that part of the US is shut down or not but private organizations should be able to help.
But that "tiny part that is shut down" should not include emergency notification of global disasters. Imagine if the 2004 megatsunami had occurred during a US shutdown? The Indian Ocian had no Pacific-style warning system of its own.
Mexicans don't pay American taxes on Mexican goods. Americans pay that. And since it's American money, it's up to American politicians (republican and democratic) to decide how it's spent.
It seems like in the short term, the workers are not providing the service, the computer is.
So why shut it down unless you just wish to be missed?
I am not quite disagreeing with you on the Dems, but REALLY?!?
The Dems fell during the Hillary nomination fiasco. They pretty much can only go up from there. They are the MINORITY in all parts of the government. Your complaint is like saying David isn't helping Goliath carry stuff. And remember the Republicans have been bashing Dems since Obama's first term.
BUT you want to swing Republican? The folks who been whining about Obamacare for 8 years but couldn't even muster a vote when push came to shove. The party that couldn't come up with a SINGLE contender against Trump and Hillary? Keep in mind that before Hillary lost to Trump, the entire Republican Party lost to him. The party who had full control of the government for the last two years and STILL couldn't fund the wall nor address DACA nor keep the government from shutting down 3 times this year!!! It's the Republicans who can't even negotiate and reach consensus with a minority within their own party; let alone across isles.
But NO, it's all the Dems fault. And next year, even though the Dems will only control the weakest 1/6th of the government, people like you will STILL shamelessly blame them.
Your swing is like stopping to drink stale dog piss and seriously considering eating fresh dog poo.
Taxes don't go to the government. The Grace Commission found that the vast majority of your taxes simply service the debt to the private institution known as the Federal Reserve. You ever read Robin Hood (or seen a movie about him)? The tax collector is ruthless, and the money just goes into the coffers of some elite. You live that reality. And, the tax collector today is no less ruthless than he was in the middle ages. You pay 20-40% of your income to a small, private group of elites for doing practically nothing (the US Mint still actually prints money when it needs to be done), and, if you don't, men with guns will take you to prison. You are a serf to the Fed. Pay up or die. Or, revolt. I hope one day you find the balls to pick the third option. I'm fucking ready.
Think of the wall this way, it would give up any excuse and force a comprehensive reform in immigration. This not only restores the rule of law to immigration (itself immeasurable important) it forces the quasi-slave state the US is creating in having non-citizens with rights only given by "hey, we'll look the other way for now" to go into a legal, defined, protected status.
The United States cannot stop illegal aliens from flooding over the border without building a wall. World help in various areas affected by democrats refusing to secure America.
Delusional. He lost the popular vote and much of his support has eroded since that time. I'd be surprised if he makes it halfway through 2019.
"Keep dreamin, If there were impeachable offenses, they would have already made the light of day."
They have made the light of day. However obstructionists in congress have actively worked to cover for his misdeeds, both before and after the election. He won't have that cover for much longer.
P.S. Claiming to be a middle of the road person doesn't make your nonsense more objective nor believable.
Yeah, after all Republican-Lite worked out so well in 2016, why not double down on that winning strategy! Luckily the DNC has already picked Beto as the challenger for you, voting in the rigged primaries is just a formality. No need to worry about leftwing loons, Beto supports Wall Street and foreign wars!
They have staff that works weekends and shutdowns. They do not stop monitoring at all. Whoever posted that on the website is lying. Shameful that bureaucrats would use a crisis to get more funding too. Sickening what the federal government does to people. They deserve to be nuked from orbit.
It was smart when all the previous Democrats proposed it, but dumb now for some reason.
You people have lost the plot.
Maybe you are not skilled or poorly skilled in Google Foo but it is widely accepted that it isn't a complete waste.
I didn't say it was net negative, budget-wise, just that there are surely much better investments for taxpayers. If, for example, avoidance of lost revenue is to be pursued here, as the article seems to suggest, what about stopping gutting the IRS instead? Taking the numbers from that article of yours at face value (which doesn't even seem to suggest any operational cost for the project, or did I misread it?), the wall is peanuts compared to the uncollected taxes.
Ezekiel 23:20
What?? The Great Wall of China was TREMENDOUSLY effective, shielding the country from the horsemen of the north for THOUSANDS OF YEARS before it was allowed to crumble to such an extent that the Mongols were able to just ride through the gaps.
And after all, the USA is the only sovereign nation with the ability to monitor for seismic events. The technology to do it is USA owed and operated, and no one else can possibly replicate it. Lord Tundering Jesus, there are things in the world that have fuck and all to do with your nations politics.
(Emphasis mine)
How can you allege that using the term "historic" to refer to events that haven't happened yet can possibly result in anybody but people who believe in time travelers ever taking you seriously?
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Walls work, cutting illegal immigration by 99%. Provided it's done right, and you actually extend the length of the border (which the Great Wall in China does not).
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Okay... I'm going to play devil's advocate here... but allow me to present what I think may be a twisted logic reasoning that could show how Mexicans are ultimately paying for the wall.
The tariffs will increase costs for Americans, true... but this increased cost could, in general, translate to reduced demand for imports, which in turn would force the nations from which the tariffs are being applied to have to lay off workers that produce those goods, thereby indirectly harming that nation's economy.
That's the best guess I can take at this... and I expect there's problems with it, but I imagine that those problems are probably based on a reality about foreign trade that Trump, for whatever reason, simply doesn't happen to believe in.
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The Republicans control both houses of Congress (until the 3rd), and there is a Republican President. The two houses did come together and put together a bill to continue funding the government into the new year, when there would be a new Congress to take over. Unfortunately, the President (a Republican, note) said loud and clear that he would not sign it.
Paul Ryan (another Republican) could have sent the bill to the floor anyway for a vote, but decided not to. Note that he easily had the votes to override a Presidential veto (the Democrats were in favor of the bill) but he did not want to challenge the President. This is either easier or harder to understand in light of his impending retirement depending on what you think of his character.
If you think this is the Democrats flexing their muscles, you have an entirely unrealistic view of that party's competence and skill.
This is the Legislative branch ceding too much power to the Executive branch and then refusing to stand up to a populist strong-man.
And "Criminal charges of manslaughter"? Are you serious? You do know that the government shutdown did not cause the tsunami, right?
Sure, because every Mexican and Central American has $300-500 for a 31 foot ladder and is going to hike it in with them.
Nobody, save the people like you, tring to strawman your ass off, EVER claimed that a wall would "solve illegal immigration".
It's about presenting a clear deterrent to overland immigration. Which then allows us to make the most of our manpower and monetary resources combatting other forms of illegal economic migration.
But we can't really do that when we don't ACTUALLY control our own border.
But please, go back to pretending you actually understand the situation.
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True, it worked there, but Trump doesn't seem to be proposing that style of wall. Certainly the budget is only to build it, and the wall in Israel is guarded which is an on-going cost. It's less than 150 miles long, where as the US one will need to be 2000 miles long.
It's hard to come up with a figure for guarding a 2000 mile long wall on difficult terrain.
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Why is everyone blaming trump when it is the senate that failed to pass the bill that came form the house?
Has fact checking become so hard that even the reporters, looking at you msmash, are unwilling to do their job and perpetuate the fake news target? Or do they think since they can reach millions of viewers, their unverified accusations will make a better click bait and to hell with being labeled as fake news?
There is no cut in manpower for CBP in the budget; a wall makes it easier to patrol (a defined barrier with a clear path along it). And whilst our barrier would be ~3 times as long, we have ~40 times the population and spending to allow for it. If it works - it works. It's just a matter of political willpower.
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Historically if the incumbent runs again they tend to win. Also, however, historically a party does not win more than 2 terms in a row. So it is quite likely that, if he does win again, the Democrats will win in 2024.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
I'm pretty sure the technology for multiple-use ladders exists.
The only historical thing about it what you are saying is that Trump is *LIKELY* to win... which is a far fry from suggesting that he *will* win as being some kind of historically validated fact.
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I see only two problems with it.
The first is that I don't really think the wall will stop/significantly impair illegal immigration. People will find a way. When I was a pipe-layer all of our laborers were illegal immigrants. Most of them did not walk across the desert to get here. Some even came by plane.
The second is that if it did work, it would create tremendous economic disruption as we would have a huge labor shortage at the bottom of the economy. Just how much are you willing to pay for a pound of tomatoes? Of course the market would adjust (over time) but there's a period where production is drastically reduced. That's a problem. As wages get driven up in that adjustment (and THAT ripples through the entire economy) your corporate profits decline. That's another problem.
As an alternative, why not just DO the comprehensive immigration reform? You still get some market disruption, but it's WAY more limited in both scale and scope.
There was a war fought, oh, around 1776. It was about the last person to go tell Americans to bend a knee.
Americans have no kings, not you, not Alien Boy, none.
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Is it only stupid because you can't sneak your cousins in? You've proven time and time again to be a partisan shill. Your racist input has no use but to sow discord.
Approximately 420,000 federal employees continued to work through the shutdown. The handful of employees needed to handle this certainly could have been deemed "essential" as well under the circumstances.
This is just a cynical political decision to suspend a high-visibility, low-cost service to try to pressure the shutdown to end, exactly like the cynical political decision to barricade national monuments (and even disable the corresponding websites) during the 2013 shutdown.
China's wall didn't work very well because far too many of the gate keepers were corrupt and took bribes to let the barbarians through. Hadrian's wall worked because the men in charge weren't corrupt. It's not a matter of picking the wrong men, either, it's a matter of culture. Chinese officials were expected to feather their own nests, although it was sometimes used as an excuse to bring somebody down who had fallen from favor. Roman officials (especially military officials) were expected to administer the law objectively, without consulting their own interests, and any corruption was swiftly and severely punished.
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FWIW, I think the economy is about to crash. The US has entered every new decade for the last 100 years in a recession or depression, within 1 or two years plus or minus. We're one year out and we have shaky market news following a strong bull run.
Although a lot of the underlying metrics look good, I have my doubts, especially in the employment numbers. A lot of the "employed" today are underemployed at traditional jobs or are working in parts of the gig economy that do not provide high standards of living. I have only very recently started to see signs of competition for labor driving wage growth.
I hope I'm wrong, though.
Ill vote for him just to see all of the antifa tears... Just Sayin.
Technology has changed. Cameras and sensors got cheap. Drones got cheap.
Better analytics mean we know that the value of a wall at controlling the border is less than other alternatives. Texas sent the national guard to police the border at a cost of $120k per illegal immigrant caught. Statistically we know those illegals would have caused less trouble than their native counterparts, so we know we didn't save any money on crime prevention. We could have given every American put out of work a full, 4 year ride to college with money to support their families for the cost of keeping those illegals out.
And while we're on the subject, if you want to keep illegals out there's a much, much better solution: STOP DESTABILIZING THEIR GODDAMNED COUNTRIES FOR CHEAP FRUIT AND OIL.
Yeah, yeah, I know I shouldn't shout, but come'on. In Brazil our CIA just executed a plan to kick a progressive chief executive out of her position and put a far right one in it's place. This isn't conspiracy, it's pretty well documented we were involved. You don't think that's going to have consequences? Why did we do it? Oil. She would have spend the oil profits on her country, and we can't have that.
If you want to stop the flow of "migrant caravans" you have to stop screwing with Mexico and South America's economies. Yes, that means the price of oil will go up ever so slightly, and it means you're going to have to vote for left wing candidates who oppose CIA intervention for the sake of American Mega Corps. For some that's maybe too bitter a pill to swallow. But if you actually want your jobs back (or maybe just a "whiter" America, yes, for some people that's the goal and it's naive to pretend it's not) that's how you do it.
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I don't negotiate with domestic terrorists, sheep.
The wall is for the same suckers who believed in trump university.
I love all the aggro lib trolls that are just ruskis trying to make conservatives even more fearful.
Luckily for them, conservatives are dumb enough to believe it.
thereby indirectly harming that nation's economy.
So if I want you to give me $100, instead I fund the $100 myself, call your boss and get you fired in a way that costs you money, it's somehow the same as you paying me $100?
That's not playing devils advocate, that is failing primary school level logic.
I admitted that the logic was twisted...
Of course it's stupid, but try convincing Trump of that.
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Or in other words, "Fake News"".
"which began Saturday after President Donald Trump refused to sign legislation that didn't include funding for his southern border wall."
President Trump cannot sign legislation that hasn't been approved by both houses of Congress, and the "McConnell/Schumer Shutdown" is the result of the SENATE's failure to pass the budget. Schumer is adamant that there will be no border wall, and McConnell is content to let Schemer continue to hold the budget hostage. Americans by and large WANT a border wall; that was Trump's biggest promise, and he was elected on that promise.
However, the lack of USGS support isn't hampering Indonesia's efforts at all; it's merely the only thing anybody can think of to cite as the "catastrophic effects" of a partial shutdown of 25% of the US Federal government.
... or shut it the heck down.
Period. As a legal immigrant that came on O1 visa I hate the lazy asses who crawled into the first world from their shitholes as "fiances" or crawled under the fence.
From the other hand. Every single foreigner who decided "screw this shit, I am going to America" immediately becomes a spiritual American in many ways more American that people born here. He is courageous, he is enterprising enough to deserve a shot at the pursuit of happiness, to climb to that city on the hill.
That does not mean of course that we should just grant this shot to every single guy who is willing to move to US.
That's why we need a balance in the immigration. The selection. Selection means control. Illegal immigration is unchecked and uncontrolled. Mara Salvatrucha is a very real threat to American way of life.
SO:
Wall or GTFO.
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The Brirish did. The IRA are now in government doing good rather than killing people.
The Colombian people rejected peace and are now locked in a death struggle. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Don't be an idiot and learn.
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As I read this it seems like all they are missing from USGS is post incident reporting. I'm not saying that is unimportant, but there wasn't going to be any tsunami warning from USGS anyway. This was a non-tectonic landslide in a confined region. It's much like the September wave, I think: small, fast, and local.
They actually HAVE a local warning system for exactly this type of event, but it has been poorly managed and funded.
The Great Wall of China was built in the 14th century AD.
My point is that because the USGS is able to see all damaging seismic events worldwide, we have a duty to warn other people about something that we can see. It's like being first at a car wreck. It's not your fault and not your problem, but it's human nature to be helpful if you can.
If we didn't without a valid excuse, you anti-American lefties would be the first to whine about it.
My math skills say the Republicans currently have majorities in both the House and Senate. Or are you using some new math no one knows about.
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Well that is the problem. In essence, Mexico is paying for the wall by other means, (economic pressure, tariffs, etc). But the situation is way too nuance for even 3/4s of the American public to understand because they have no idea what the fuck is going on, and no idea what the fuck they are talking about. As far as mentioning a government shutdown, we libertarians are happy about that. Anytime the Federal government takes a hike and stops burdening the current funding system, this is awesome. In fact, fuck the federal government until Spring, that would be even better. Oh, and cut congressional salaries during that time period. Even better. Furlough everyone in the alphabet soup agencies. Perfect.
Quite frankly I was a middle of the road person, but I am heavily leaning more towards repub lately with how childish the dems are being.
I feel ya.. I didn't use to have an opinion one way or the other on trannies and homosexuals, but after the left kept trying to cram their ideology down my throat with the most extreme examples, I have become decidedly more "right". I couldn't have cared less if two guys (or gals) got married. But when the left started telling me that a human with a penis and tits was a woman... Yeah, I don't think so.
You do realize that the only source of ladders isn't the $300-500 ones from the hardware store right? It is one of humanity's oldest inventions. Also ladders are not one-time use items.
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Er what? The word "Khan" means ruler because the Great Wall wasn't effective.
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He doesn't have to be personally impeached, just have members of his immediate family sent to jail with charges pending for him the moment he steps down.
Why is it you people don't get this: All Trump has to do, legally, is resign 20 minutes before his term ends. Pence would be sworn in as President and then he can pardon Trump for any and all crimes he may or may not have committed. I'm not saying this is "right" or "wrong". I'm saying it's legal, it's constitutional, and I'm saying he's not going to jail. The only place Trump sits in jail is in delusional liberal fantasies. I don't know if 20 minutes would be enough time, that's a bit of exaggeration on my part, but certainly a single day would suffice.
What's really sad is that you all (left and right) are a bunch of fucking morons. Not a single person, in this whole discussion, has mentioned what is actually shutting the government down.
We have run out of fucking money.. ALL OF IT IS GONE.
Trump is using this to his advantage (or so he thinks), but POLITICIANS have spent every last dime we have, including everything we have borrowed so far. There is none left.
For the government to continue to operate fully we have to BORROW MORE FUCKING MONEY.
Every goddamn year, without end, we borrow MORE AND MORE AND MORE.
No, Clinton didn't have a fucking surplus. He had a situation where more came in than was needed for operations, and some was used to pay DOWN the debt, but the debt was never eliminated. Shady accounting tricks don't equal reality.
Both sides DEMOCRAT and REPUBLICAN are bankrupting this country. We either get it under control now or we never ever will.
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It is utter bullshit that the shut down caused this. Any emergency alert system should be semi- or fully autonomous. If their monkeys are manually parsing magnitudes and tsunami warnings than they should be sacked.
Sure but how does that help the Republicans win the election? All it does is help Trump, and practically guarantees that their next candidate is fucked.
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What the fuck are you talking about?
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What's that expression? Once you pay the danegeld he always goes away forever and never comes back? No wait, that isn't it.
Trump said he would be proud to shut down the government. Dems offered $25,000,000,000 for border security last year and he turned it down. We are not building a stupid brick wall. Mexico is not paying for a stupid brick wall.
I remember when Republicans at least pretended they were for limited government. You know who the successor to Reagan"s mantle was? "war monger Hilary Clinton". The 80s style Dem was Bernie. Trump is worse than Bif Tannen in the Back to the Future 2 bad timeline.
At least Bif Tannen could run a casino.
How about a rope? How much does that cost? I have a fifty foot coil that weighs under a kilo I carried for two months camping one season. A grappling hook isnt too bad to add in a lunch. You could even cut a bit of fence and throw that on the spikey bits. Frankly, if the wall/steel slat fence was built, I would expect those posts to be cut down and salvaged. I would if some foreigner left a bunch of super useful $1,000 beams in the desert near me. Boom, new house frame.
If the wall is in the US, they've already entered. If it is in Mexico, it isn't illegal for Mexicans to take it for their own use.
Or, you know, the thousands/millions you imagine lurking at the wall World War Z style could take turns digging under/chipping away at it. If it is a concrete wall, you can't see them until they are through. So you need sensors and border guards everywhere to respond. At which point.. You don't need the wall.
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What happened with 'The Mexicans will pay for the wall' ?
The wall wasn't effective because it stopped short. It stopped in Jiayuguan, about smack-dab in the original borders of the Mongol Empire. Kublai Kahn simply had to ride around the end of it... And in modern times, we see - as I linked above - walls work. Even for determined illegal aliens.
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Trump must have said it over a hundred times - that Mexico would pay for it one way or another, by tariffs, by changes in cross-border currency transfers, by renegotiated trade deals, and so forth.
Given that the wall will, at worst, cost a total of something like $25 billion USD and the gigantic (currently about $180 billion per year) cost of illegal immigration into the USA, and given the massive trade deficits the US has run with Mexico every since NAFTA went into effect and made Ross Perot's predicted "giant sucking sound" a proven reality, Recovering $25 billion USD from Mexico is a complete no-brainer and so easy as to be barely noticable.
As with any construction project (the sort of thing Trump has done for decades) you get funds lined up initially to fund the build (often as a construction loan) and the actual cash comes in later to repay that upfront construction loan. Trump NEVER said Mexico would write a big check - he always said they'd pay in other ways and even said they'd be happy to do it (tied to the idea that in straightening out the trade relationship, relations between the countries would improve and both economies would ultimately benefit).
So tell me, Trump hater, where's the $2500.00 per year that I'm supposed to be saving on my health insurance now with Obamacare in effect??? My rates are triple what they used to be and my deductibles are through the roof, all while I had to lose my plan and lose my doctor (all three are things every prominent Democrat lied to me about hundreds of times).
Schumer NEVER offered $25 billion for the wall. NOT EVER. The closest he ever came was when Chuck (in his own words) ""In exchange for strong DACA protections, I reluctantly put the border wall on the table for discussion," - NOTE: he did NOT offer anything other than DISCUSSION. this was the typical Democrat faux-border-secutiry deal just like the one they made with Reagan in 1986. No actual substance and no actual border security were proposed by Schumer.
Schumer has repeatedly said NO MONEY for the wall - EVER.
TRUMP OFFERED TO LEGALIZE MORE DACA KIDS THAN THE DEMOCRATS REQUESTED IN EXCHANGE FOR WALL FUNDING, and Pelosi and Schumer walked away. This offer risked angering Trump's own supporters as even the liberals at NBC admitted.
What resources will be available for that? Or for predicting tsunamis on coastal cities after?
Utter BS childish nonsense you yanks put up with (but as a Canadian I think NRCan can help you out if that happens)
We have decades of absolute proof that without a wall, all the other "smart" technologies faile to stop 20Million+ illegals from simply walking across the border.
We also have centuries of experience with walls working to stop masses of people crossing them. The Berlin wall was used by an evil regime to keep its own people locked-in under the thum of Marxist governance. The government of Israel has used walls to keep terrorists from easy entry. For centuries, Popes have used the walls to keep people out of the Vatican. The Romans used Hadrian's wall. Rich Democrats use walls and fences to keep people out of their gated communities and off of their private estates. Obama had a wall built around the home he bought in Washington DC after leaving the White House.
No solution other than a physical barrier is supported by actual evidence.
I suppose because the Impact was in Indonesia and the Indonesians were not paying for services to protect their own citizens lives. Live in an earthquake zone and it is up to 'YOUR' government to provide proper detection and warning services. Why the fuck would this be the US governments fault or Trumps fault. In fact Trump could turn around and say see "Indonesia getting a free ride on US taxpayer provided services". I wouldn't normally bother with this but 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' is just getting too ludicrous not to take the piss out of.
Like all the fake left Hollywood peaceniks complaining about Trump removing invading US forces from Syria, they are an actually invading army, not invited, no UN approval and no approval from the US congress or senate, the peaceniks screaming for more war because Trump did not want more want. If Trump wants it not matter what, the Trump Derangement Syndrome freaks oppose it (the fake left actually far right tools of the establishment). US main stream media has become a joke, a parody of itself.
How to make Mexico pay for the wall, create a fund and to put money in that fund, start charging the Mexican government for all illegal immigrants returned, from the point of arrest on, the cost to secure is a US government choice, cost there in after, the failure of the Mexican government responsibility to secure it's border and control it's citizens. So from the point of arrest on, cost of detaining the illegal immigrant, court costs, medical expenses and cost of return to Mexico, all totalled up and the bill sent to Mexico, when Mexico pays, that money used to pay for the Wall. So the wall will save the US government money and the Mexican government money.
The Mexican government should not get a free ride for failing to control it's borders, all illegal immigrants costs to the US taxpayer by Mexican citizens, should be paid for by the Mexican government, that is entirely reasonable and entirely doable. This should be a globally applied rule, all illegal immigrants costs should be billed back to the country of origin, they can always bill the individual when they get back and recover the money.
The citizens of every country in the world, have the right to choose who they will and will not let into their country, and the right to recover costs from kicking out illegal attempts to gain entry and exploit the hard work, services to the community and taxes of citizens, not just current generations but past generations who strove to create a better future for the next generation of citizens in their country. That is entirely fair and reasonable.
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no. it means that reality isn't binary, all of one thing, none of another.
Please to think harder next time.
My math skills say the Republicans currently have majorities in both the House and Senate. Or are you using some new math no one knows about.
There's a piece of Senate math you don't know about.
It takes 60%, not 50%+, to break a filibuster. (Down from 75%, down from "you can't break it until the other side ALL falls asleep at once".)
There are some issues where a filibuster is not allowed. Appropriation bills are explicitly NOT one of them.
The Republicans could exercise the "Nuclear Option" and change the rules. But they don't want to do that, because it would be used against them the next time THEY are in the minority.
Right now they've got 51 senators plus the Vice president's tie-breaker. So if they could get it to a vote it would pass. But they're nowhere near the 60 they'd need to bring it to a vote. They need 9 Democrats.
They picked up a couple in the midterms, but are still nowhere near 60. Meanwhile the Democrats picked up a bunch in the house and will have a majority there. So waiting for next year is a bad idea.
Trump promised, when signing last year's appropriation, to not do that again this year. He's sticking to that, at least so far. So 17% of the government gets a paid vacation until 6 senate Democrats vote for wall funding, the clock run out on this congress (which is being held in session by another of the presidential powers), or Trump flinches.
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Yeah right...blame that on the government shutdown. Let's stop being "the world's police" for flipping everything and let other countries fend for themselves a while!
The wall wasn't effective because it stopped short. It stopped in Jiayuguan, about smack-dab in the original borders of the Mongol Empire. Kublai Kahn simply had to ride around the end of it... And in modern times, we see - as I linked above - walls work. Even for determined illegal aliens.
Er what? The Jiayuguan great wall was built AFTER the Mongol led Yuan dynasty ended. The Mongols didn't have to ride around it as they had already conquered China by then. What you say is either a complete and utter lie or you have no sense of history of the great wall.
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Try this. The agreement to keep the asylum seekers in Mexico will shift some of the 60K a year support burden for them onto Mexico, who obviously won't be up to coughing up that much and save the US big time in administrative costs, and deportation costs too. After enough time of that Mexico may want to cough up for the wall directly too to dissuade even more Central Americans from leeching off them.
The pass was used by the Mongols, and that is why it didn't work. But you keep wanting to ignore the fact (even Politifact confirms) that a wall works in Israel. You know, modern times, not people on horses... Why do you deny the fact that a wall cuts illegal entry by 99%?
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The pass was used by the Mongols, and that is why it didn't work.
You know we can research and debunk your lies.
Genghis Khan (1162 - 1227), the founder of the Mongol Empire, was the only one who breached the Great Wall of China in its 2,700-year-history. In his lifetime, Genghis Khan led his Mongolian army to break through the Great Wall not only once, but several times at Wusha Fortress, Juyongguan, Zijingguan, and Tongguan, etc. These successes were a big help in overthrowing of the Jin Dynasty (1115 - 1234 AD) and founding of the Yuan Dynasty (1271 - 1368 AD).
But you keep wanting to ignore the fact (even Politifact confirms) that a wall works in Israel. You know, modern times, not people on horses... Why do you deny the fact that a wall cuts illegal entry by 99%?
Again, a quick search says you're wrong.
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Part of me would like to see the shutdown last exactly as long as it would take to balance the budget and pay off the national debt. What an interesting experiment THAT would be.... Of course, that can't happen (for pretty obvious reasons).
I really do wish we had a Constitutional Amendment that required a balanced budget or it just cuts all spending across the board, automatically, until it is balanced. Of course, that does nothing for the $21 *TRILLION* debt (which cost us $310 BILLION to service in 2018 alone, $2.6 TRILLION over the last 10 years), but at least it is a start. In the mean time, raise taxes, stop spending (my preference), or some combination of both!
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What we know as the Great Wall of China was built in the 14th century. Earlier walls were sometimes in different locations, and different construction methods were used. The idea that there was been a great wall for thousands of years is incorrect as they were not the same wall.
The wall from around 700AD is what Gengis Khan broke through. The 14th century wall was overcome entirely in the mid 17th century.
Rather than being a bulwark against invasion lasting thousands of years each wall had a lifetime of around 300 to 400 years, and was backed with significant military force operating on the far side of it for the periods when it was effective.
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I never said the existing wall was the only wall. That's a straw man argument. What was said was that it wasn't effective. Indeed the Mongols were not the only ones that invaded China from the north during that time. One factor in these conquests was the wall itself had been expensive to build and maintain and weaken the Han empire.
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Your arguments fall on the deaf ears of sociopaths.
Israel has a wall across its entire border. It works. China had one across part of its border. It didn't work. Israel is modern times. China's wall was ancient times. Walls work.
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e.g. the right wing of the Democratic party opposes it. The actual left wing of the Democratic party is in favor of it so long as we use diplomacy to protect the Kurds from a Genocide.
If you want change you need the actual left. That's the Bernie Bros, the Justice Democrats and the folks running "Our Revolution".
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Yep. I'm sure that you're going to have a mom & her little kids shimmying 30 feet up a rope.
Again, this is not about deterring every last illegal economic migrant on the planet.
It's about upping the barrier of entry from "I'll just walk on over..." to "Shit! I have to climb that?"
And no you do NOT need "guards everywhere".
The wall prevents you from needing guards putting ye olde Mark 1 Eyeball on every last inch of the border.
So you have patrol zones, which border patrols pass multiple times a day.
And yes, you still need the wall. You need a physical deterrent.
Because a group of 10 or so border guards could, conceivably, be overwhelmed.
I don't know why the hell this is so hard for some people to grok.
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I donâ(TM)t think you quite understand what a challenge walking through hundreds of miles of rough terrain is compared to climbing a rope ladder, or even a rope over one wall. Seriously, what is with this awe that you people treat the concept of a wall with? Are you completely incapable of looking back at the example of the Great Wall of China? Built in stages. Construction generally ordered by the current group in charge who got to be in charge by easily breaching the wall and conquering the place. I will say that a lot of this argument started when Trump was insisting that this wall would span the entire border and distinctly be a wall and not a fence. Maybe if he was mature enough to admit that he was wrong rather than trying to pretend that his current ask was what he was always after we wouldnâ(TM)t have this argument on our hands.
Israel's wall was never the point. You brought that in when it was clear that you were utterly wrong about the Great Wall.
But to address your point about "modern" walls, how many times was the Berlin Wall breached? That was an extremely guarded section of wall that was only a few miles long. Yet people breached it. Now you think that somehow a 2,000 mile will be easier to protect? [sarcasm] If only no one ever invents vehicles that go above or under a wall. Also as long as people can't use water based vehicles to go around the wall then the wall will be extremely effective.[/sarcasm]
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And I don't think you quite understand what's involved in actually trying to climb a 30 foot tall structure that's designed to be an impediment to passage.
You wanna disagree? Fine.
Likely it's neither as easy as you're saying, nor quite so hard as I'm saying.
Either way, the effect on immigration will be non-zero.
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Deplorable Pride for empty gestures is a go-to move for Trump supporters. For example:
- I support the military by voting for a draft dodger!
- I am proud of a Wall policy that is Too Expensive and Mostly Ineffective!
- Rhetorical support for a sunsetting coal industry is the Greatest Thing Ever!
- Tax cuts for the 1% are exactly what the country, and the Trump Base needs! No money for the middle class and no economic boost! Huge deficits for the foreseeable future! Winning!
- Obamacare, which only suffered by being too cautious, must be repealed!
- A President who is obviously corrupt and lining his own pockets, is Exactly What the United States Needs!
- Draining the Swamp and Replace all the Alligators with Crocodiles!
- All the Best People! So many in fact, they need to keep firing them!
The only way he'll get elected is if the Democrats are stupid enough to run a left-wing loon like Bernie or Warren.
So, we won't elect a left-wing loon, but are more than happy to elect a right-wing loon? Huh.
Go check. I started with the Israeli wall...
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Go check [slashdot.org]. I started with the Israeli wall...
You know we can scroll up right?
Speaking of the unstoppable juggernaut of government, aren't you a bit worried about it trying to piss away billions of your dollars on something known not to work? I mean China built a wall far bigger and better than the one Trump wants, and that wasn't very effective...
The other poster started with the Great Wall. You brought in another wall without addressing the first point.
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A 2000 year old, incomplete wall doesn't quite apply to modern times, does it?
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But you were absolutely wrong on every point on it. But speaking of modern walls, how effective was the Berlin Wall? I've already linked where the wall in Israel has been less than effective. That's in addition to the tunnels they find all the time.
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The Berlin wall was amazingly effective. VERY few people actually escaped over it, compared to the number who it held back. Likewise, the Israeli wall works 99% of the time. That's quite effective. Or do you demand 100%, and since NOTHING can give that, we might as well just open everything up completely?
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You can tell I have my own reasons for keeping a list like that, one of which is that the USGS just can't be trusted to be up.
The data is international anyway. It's part of the international network for monitoring compliance with nuclear test ban treaties. So any one of those sites should be able to get you everything you need.
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