What's going on is that you missread. If there _was_ money involved (and I do not see any information supporting the claim), Bill Joy _does_ have quite a bit of it.
The word to be careful with here is "adequate". We cannot enforce a nerd's viewpoint without a nerd's values and ethics. Nerds/Geeks/Whatever tend do do something for the hack value of it, but have a sense of fairness to go along with the skills. People, on the other hand, tend to be predators and leaches. Now, I am not saying non-geeks are automatically thieves, I just state that people, as a group, go for the less effort/less cost option without stopping to think about consequences.
What you say is probably right, however:
1. There are _quite a bit_ more interested parties than just the russians in the SSA, which means not only the russians would have to sort through the technical and economic problems involved in reusing Mir for SSA.
2. Of course im just guessing here, but it might just be cheaper (in terms both of money and time) to move and sanitize MIR a.o.t. building more modules/cubicles/whatever on SSA.
There never was such a kernel, nor such a Slackware at the time.
Oops, you're absolutely right. My first kernel was 0.99 (not 59) and I seem to recall we used to refer to it as 0.0.99
The first version of Slackware I remember using was 1.2, but I don't remember what kernel came with it. Also, I know I used Linux before that, and I _thought_ I was on Slack already.
Oh, well. That was some years ago, so I'll have to blame my memory again. Now I'll just sit and watch the pretty colors and see if anything else comes back to me;-)
Ouch! I missed my chance to ask a question, but I'll do just in case P.V. is still around and would care to answer: Which is your favourite text editor? My intention is not to start a holly war, but I'd really like to know.
Would you care to ellaborate on this? I also believe everybody should have access to strong encryption sources - actually *any* sources -, but I see no point in having "especially terrorists" have access to strong encryption. I, for one, think terrorism is a Bad Thing: no mather how good the cause, innocent people suffer the most.
I guess if it will work or not is just one of the questions that surface. How about: Why do we want to do this? If science _really_ is ready to bring back extint animals, it's a shame it's not focusing all it's efforts (and resources) on not letting people (esp. children, of course) die of chickenpox (or any stupid and easily preventable desease you'd like to imagine). Of course then the question becomes one of social fairness, not science (but someone had to scream "ethics" sooner or later on this thread (right?)).
I've been teaching a unix course (on Sun hardware with Solaris and lots of GNU utilities) for about two years and the refference material I tell my students to use is:
> I think all packaged distributions just be a > large box with one small piece of paper inside > with a ftp address so the user can just download > the source and build it himself;-).
Sounds very much like Slackware to me;-) BTW, that's what _I_ use now, and I'll be using it forever. The only binaries not compiled on my machine that I trust are Patrick Volkerding's
Seriously, though, there _is_ a point there about the inconvenience/immaturity/stupidity of Microsoft-bashing for the sake of itself: if all the energy there's been put into writing the 4million+ posts regarding this article (and the 2billion+ times somebody has read then) had been used to confirm the benchmarks, point out the wrong ones and correct linux/apache/samba wherever necesary and finally to publish new results, we'd be far better off.
Excuse my not agreeing to your point of view, but I think that a sysadmin who _has_ to tune his server and an Operating System which lets him do it is the best arrow to shoot any deer. In a trade marked by continuous and sustained change, there is no way around. Period. Out-of-the-box solutions should be tested when you are looking for ease-of-setup/use results, but performance? No way!
Most of the above answers seem right: it's tough and time consuming, you're better off with a second machine, you should start with a minimal install, etc.
I just did that (over the last two weeks!) moving a very basic Slcakware 3.6 to glibc 2.1/kernel 2.2.2. I've compiled *everything* (binutils, diffutils, all kinds of libraries, Xwindows) and I _am_ quite happy with the results. So much that I'll start canning up stuff into an unofficial glibc based Slackware if and when I get the time.
Now, the question is if it's really worth it. I mean, I _could_ have installed RedHat 5.2+updates. I'm sure I would have finished in much less time. Why did I do it? I'm stubborn as hell. And I _do_ have another machine to work on as stuff compiles into 3-4 am every night;-) What did I earn? Lots of patience, tons of small code-hacks, and optimized binaries. Was it worth it? I do not really know. I'm happy with it, but I wouldn't advise anyone to do the same unless they had very special requirements.
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From the small amount of information on the release, it does not seem like it will be good for anything but superficial work.
:)
They call it "multi-spectral imaging", so I guess they bounce different kinds (err... wavelengths?) of light off the surface and read the results.
I'm sure they will be able to use it a lot in forensics and evidence recovery, though. Anyhow, your guess is as good as mine
s/Tim O'Reilly/Bill Joy/g
What's going on is that you missread. If there _was_ money involved (and I do not see any information supporting the claim), Bill Joy _does_ have quite a bit of it.
The word to be careful with here is "adequate". We cannot enforce a nerd's viewpoint without a nerd's values and ethics. Nerds/Geeks/Whatever tend do do something for the hack value of it, but have a sense of fairness to go along with the skills. People, on the other hand, tend to be predators and leaches. Now, I am not saying non-geeks are automatically thieves, I just state that people, as a group, go for the less effort/less cost option without stopping to think about consequences.
It will come down on 2001-05-21 12:00:21. It's my wife's birthday.
What you say is probably right, however:
1. There are _quite a bit_ more interested parties than just the russians in the SSA, which means not only the russians would have to sort through the technical and economic problems involved in reusing Mir for SSA.
2. Of course im just guessing here, but it might just be cheaper (in terms both of money and time) to move and sanitize MIR a.o.t. building more modules/cubicles/whatever on SSA.
There never was such a kernel, nor such a Slackware at the time.
;-)
Oops, you're absolutely right. My first kernel was 0.99 (not 59) and I seem to recall we used to refer to it as 0.0.99
The first version of Slackware I remember using was 1.2, but I don't remember what kernel came with it. Also, I know I used Linux before that, and I _thought_ I was on Slack already.
Oh, well. That was some years ago, so I'll have to blame my memory again. Now I'll just sit and watch the pretty colors and see if anything else comes back to me
BTW: joe is _THE_ editor.
Ouch! I missed my chance to ask a question, but I'll do just in case P.V. is still around and would care to answer: Which is your favourite text editor? My intention is not to start a holly war, but I'd really like to know.
-alf
(Slackware user since kernel 0.0.59)
Hmm. It should also be noted that mostly nobody is going to use an IA-64 desktop computer during the first months anyway.
Would you care to ellaborate on this?
I also believe everybody should have access to strong encryption sources - actually *any* sources -, but I see no point in having "especially terrorists" have access to strong encryption.
I, for one, think terrorism is a Bad Thing: no mather how good the cause, innocent people suffer the most.
I guess if it will work or not is just one of the questions that surface. How about: Why do we want to do this? If science _really_ is ready to bring back extint animals, it's a shame it's not focusing all it's efforts (and resources) on not letting people (esp. children, of course) die of chickenpox (or any stupid and easily preventable desease you'd like to imagine). Of course then the question becomes one of social fairness, not science (but someone had to scream "ethics" sooner or later on this thread (right?)).
> I think all packaged distributions just be a ;-).
;-) BTW, that's what _I_ use now, and I'll be using it forever. The only binaries not compiled on my machine that I trust are Patrick Volkerding's
> large box with one small piece of paper inside
> with a ftp address so the user can just download
> the source and build it himself
Sounds very much like Slackware to me
And Hitler had the VW beetle designed.
Seriously, though, there _is_ a point there about the inconvenience/immaturity/stupidity of Microsoft-bashing for the sake of itself: if all the energy there's been put into writing the 4million+ posts regarding this article (and the 2billion+ times somebody has read then) had been used to confirm the benchmarks, point out the wrong ones and correct linux/apache/samba wherever necesary and finally to publish new results, we'd be far better off.
Excuse my not agreeing to your point of view, but I think that a sysadmin who _has_ to tune his server and an Operating System which lets him do it is the best arrow to shoot any deer. In a trade marked by continuous and sustained change, there is no way around. Period. Out-of-the-box solutions should be tested when you are looking for ease-of-setup/use results, but performance? No way!
Most of the above answers seem right: it's tough and time consuming, you're better off with a second machine, you should start with a minimal install, etc.
;-) What did I earn? Lots of patience, tons of small code-hacks, and optimized binaries. Was it worth it? I do not really know. I'm happy with it, but I wouldn't advise anyone to do the same unless they had very special requirements.
I just did that (over the last two weeks!) moving a very basic Slcakware 3.6 to glibc 2.1/kernel 2.2.2. I've compiled *everything* (binutils, diffutils, all kinds of libraries, Xwindows) and I _am_ quite happy with the results. So much that I'll start canning up stuff into an unofficial glibc based Slackware if and when I get the time.
Now, the question is if it's really worth it. I mean, I _could_ have installed RedHat 5.2+updates. I'm sure I would have finished in much less time. Why did I do it? I'm stubborn as hell. And I _do_ have another machine to work on as stuff compiles into 3-4 am every night