Then, dumbass Sci-Fi show, this is easy to explain. You see, they come up with words. They make up shit.
And some of them have seen their source material become reality. The others have had to settle with doing their small part in changing the social world, with things like the first interracial kiss and showing black women in positions of power.
I can't find the song right now - I thought it was Tupac, but Google doesn't agree - but one rap song reminds us that "shit ain't like" the Cosby show. TV shows are make believe; that goes for Seinfeld as much as Voyager.
Same thing that western movies did. The problem is is that most people grow out of playing cowboy and indians when they turn 14.
Actually, some of them went on to play cowboy and indians in places like Vietnam or Iraq, or sent people to do so. Maybe watching TV shows where people came in peace under a directive of non-interference to a wide variety of cultures might have reduced the tendency to kill people who don't look like us.
Also, I'm saying that people who are obsessed with Sci-Fi shows are of a lower order.
Then people who reply to a Slashdot post on a Mondy morning? Some people - apparently not us - have something productive to do at that time.
you just choose not to challenge my assertions that Sci-Fi shows promote psychological issues.
That assertion was never clearly made, and I'm not sure it's worth challenging without evidence backing it up. (The fact that a very small percentage of the watchers of the shows have taken it to a point of obsession shows nothing unless you can show that these people wouldn't have focused their obsessions elsewhere.)
They are going into mental wards, of course I'm superior to them.
If you read the comments, you'll find that they're finding someone who speaks Klingon to be put on a list in case they find someone who only speaks Klingon. Is there any evidence that more science fiction fans go into mental wards then other comparable sections of society?
[Wordnet] divergent adj 1: diverging from another or from a standard; "a divergent opinion" [syn: differing(a)]
A quick websearch reveals the phrase "mentally divergent" to come from 12 Monkeys. If you meant to say "insane", perhaps that's the word you should have used.
People who use "profanity" are of a lessure statute.
Profanity can be used to great effect, when used sparingly for emotional impact. But the problem with your language is that you use vague slurs - "fucking", "retarded" (when used as an insult), "dumbass", "dipshit" - that express the fact that you don't approve of the subject, but don't explain why you disapprove, nor (consider how obvious your disapproval is otherwise) do they add anything to your message.
Equating any language and "Klingon" is just retarded. People who are this obsessed with a TV show should be put into the next reality based TV show. Put 3 people from each dumbass Sci-Fi show with a cult following, and let them fight to the death. It'd be like watching declawed sloths try to attack each other.
For example, all this message does is convey your displeasure with me and your feelings of superiority to people who watch Sci-Fi. It presents no argument which can be debated, nor any information which can be discussed.
Exactly, two languages that are completely useless, spoken by only a few handfuls of obsessed nuts.
Yeah, why speak a language besides English? Ignoring literary reasons (which Esperanto has) and cultural reasons (i.e. obsessed nuts) there's no reason to speak something besides one of about twenty languages. Somehow, I doubt you understand any of those languages, though, so maybe it's hard for you to understand why culture and community are important reasons to learn and know a language.
Transliteration of Klingon into Latin letters (the letters used for most western and central European languages) suffices for now.
The decision of the Unicode consortium not to encode Klingon was based on the fact that's not transliteration; every real life use of Klingon occurs in Latin letters. That's the native form of real life Klingon, however it might be used by fictional creatures. Since real life Klingon is virtually invariably in Latin, there's no need to encode Klingon characters.
if they are that fucked up they are pretty much useless as it is..
If they're so fucked up they can't use proper English, including fine details like proper use of capitals and apostrophes, they're pretty much useless, yes.
My tax dollars (and yours) are paying someone to speak a fictional language... don't you find that a bit wrong?
No? You're drawing an arbitrary line between fictional and real (a lot of modern languages have been edited by a linguist along the line; modern Hebrew being a prime example) and saying that we shouldn't help someone who desperately needs help because the language they prefer to speak is on the other side of that line.
Klingons aren't fucking real.
Klingon speakers are.
These people are mentally divergent,
So was Einstein, and many other people who changed our world. As a matter of fact, genius itself is mentally divergent.
and need help understanding that Klingon's don't fucking exist. They don't need someone to speak Klingon because it will enforce their delusions.
Have you met them, and done a psychological evaluation? If not, how you can say what they need and what speaking Klingon will do to them? Maybe the best we can do is four padded walls and three square meals for the rest of their lives. Maybe they just need some medication, which we can administer if we can just tell them to hold still. Maybe they need someone to talk them out of the corner of the mind they're hiding in, in the only language they understand at the moment.
our public schools are experiencing really shitty funding problems
I can see the effect it had on your language skills, and the wide command (or lack of) adjectives it gave you.
we're hiring figments of peoples imaginations...
I hate to mention this to you, but that's what languages are. No language has any reality outside the mind of a person.
It's nice to know that people spend a whole lot of good time religeously studying something like Klingon, instead of some useless subject, like Portugese or Japanese.
(What's religious about it?)
It's nice to know that people spend a whole lot of good time studying art, instead of some useless subject like engineering or business. We could trim large parts of our civilization if we were willing to be an efficent civilization, but we aren't; we're prone to waste time on aesthics and entertainment. People don't learn Klingon instead of Portuguese; people learn Klingon instead of hanging out on Slashdot or watching more TV, or in many cases along side learning Portuguese and Japanese.
How possible is it to learn and use this "language" to the point of forgetting your native one?
Why the quotes? It is a language; the entire text of Hamlet can be expressed in Klingon, to take just one example. And it's probably not a matter of forgetting your native tongue; it's a matter of choosing not to use it, as much as "choose" is the appropriate word for a mental patient.
don't you think that is has gone too far when public money is spent on something like this?
Communicating with the mentally ill? I would think that's an important part of great civilizations, that we help those who are not as well off as we. Even if it means trying to understand those who can't communicate in pure RP 'standard' English.
Dude, seriously, what the fuck are you talking about?
Seriously, dude, it might be nice to know what your talking about and speak English, instead of using phrases like "to clown on you".
Your cpu doesn't "process it all" now. If talks with what it needs do.
But the more and more data you have, the more likely you are to try and handle large quantities. Search every text file on your system, or merely scan and process a file at 600 DPI instead of 300.
I'm also pretty damn confused as to what you mean by negative integers? Hopefully that was some weak attempt at a buffer-overflow joke or a stack dump or something because the logical part of my brain
The logical part of your brain obviously never studied computers very much. In assembly, if you continue adding to a signed integer value, it will overflow to negative. In 16 bits, 32767 + 1 = -32768, IIRC. If you program in C or Fortran or any other language that doesn't check overflow, the same thing will happen. I've seen reports that I had transfered -2 GB this session, because the program overflowed at 4 GB. Same principle.
But if Mosfet's "professional" thumbnail spec just happens to be more efficient, faster or better in some way than the "standard" I think it should be adopted.
I've had at least four types of thumbnails for graphics on my computer. If I have to create the thumbnails twice, that's twice the time and twice the space. If they would just standardize on one thumbnail type, no matter what, that would be more efficent then having multiple thumbnails around.
I can run binaries for the PDP-11 and play old Atari and Commodore 64 games, and old Amiga tunes on XMMS. But all the geeks who have hours and hours of anime and TV shows and porn in DivX are going to be unable to port the DivX codec to whatever system were running in 20 years, and not even be able to run xine under a x86 emulator? I regard that as very unlikely.
Look at the history of the US' meddling in South America. Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile, Panama. We've helped violent Coups, given money to some freedom fighters while supported friendlier dictators. Ask THEM if our "Christianity" is the problem.
And how many terrorist attacks against us have come from their soil? How many of their governments have supported terrorist groups? I never said the US was innocent; but a significant part of the reason the Arabs react to us like they do is religious reasons.
Thats because (Surprise!) thats not the real reason the terrorists hate us. They hate us frot he same reason the canadian wrote this article. Because we try to interfere in other countries buisness very aggressively.
And the fact that we are a Christian, democratic nation. If we were a Islamic, theocratic nation, we could interfere all we wanted, and it would be okay.
Unfortunately, for whatever reason, Israel uses them to kill palestinians (justified or not).
That has little to nothing to do with it. Ever since Israel was created, large parts of the Arab world have wanted to destroy it. They just don't like the concept of a Jewish state on their land, no matter what it's doing.
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I do feel, however, that I knew a lot more people then who just loved computers and their potential
First, it was an age where just owning a home computer was 3133t in and of itself, all OSes were made by more or less distant corporations and you were hanging out in a local community. You're now hanging out on a international message board for people who are into computers, and the two main operating systems are one that everyone has and one that designed for tinkering and where it's easy to be part of the making of, and there seems to be a lot more legal action over what you can and can't do with your computer. Needless to say, hobbiests are going to be strongly polarised on the issues, and you're hanging out with a more strongly polarised selection of people in an environment that doesn't discourage extremism, so you're going to see more of it.
When I started out writing software back around 1980, computers were just cool. Nobody really cared which OS you ran and we were as excited by the Amiga as we were by Atari, Apple, or whatever else computer.
Which planet did you happen to live on? Because my sources have the Unix-haters handbook coming out of that era, and many ITS users pissed off about Unix (try looking up "Unix conspiracy in the Jargon file), Apple and DOS users writing viruses for each other's systems (I think this fact was from Norton) and Amiga users evangelising everyone else.
For believing that they have intellectual property that's been stolen and wanting to protect it?
If you want to protect your IP, you usually start by announcing exactly what you think was stolen and demanding they stop using it. If you start making vague accusations and absurd claims, it looks like you're just trying to spread FUD. In 1993, people were leaving SCO for a still young Linux, because SCO sucked worse. To claim ten years later that Linux stole technology from you that your OSes doesn't even have doesn't make you look like you're honestly trying to protect your IP; it makes it look like you're trying to attack a competitor using whatever BS you have at hand.
Dynamically writing code is not a dangerous hack. The more correct way of solving this problem is for people not to use unchecked arrays that can overflow - C, C++ and a few other really low level languages about the only languages that have unchecked arrays as a standard data type. Most of these problems don't show up in programs written in other languages.
the whole purpose of programming in C is to have an unbloated, minimalist language.
That may be your purpose, but there are other reasons to program in C; the most common IMO is to have a programming language that's portable to every piece of junk ever built and/or that everyone knows. I'm sure theres's other reasons why people program in C.
So I don't think you have to worry about C99
The Linux kernel is converting some of its use of GCC extensions to C99, so there is some use out there. Obviously there is some use to C99, or it never would have been standardized.
And I am sure people can take the K&R book and release an updated ANSI C version in no time
An incomplete version, sure. But not a full book covering ANSI C, which would require significant additions and notes.
Front end meaning the command line or something else?
The front end is the part of a compiler that takes a language and lexes, parses and digests the language; the backend is the part that takes the digested code and turns it into assembly. Writing something that outputs x86 code (the backend) is easier then parsing full standard C, much less the GCC C you'd quite possibly need to handle, which is the frontend's job.
Fscking hard drives is so last millenium. Journaling filesystems have taken over.
I'm running ext3 here, and every so often I boot up and the computer says, "You haven't fscked your hard drives in a while. Go take a nap; it'll be a while", and the system starts fscking the hard drive. And as the wise anonymous coward replies, nothing's 100%, and sometimes filesystems get borked no matter what you do.
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Then, dumbass Sci-Fi show, this is easy to explain. You see, they come up with words. They make up shit.
And some of them have seen their source material become reality. The others have had to settle with doing their small part in changing the social world, with things like the first interracial kiss and showing black women in positions of power.
I can't find the song right now - I thought it was Tupac, but Google doesn't agree - but one rap song reminds us that "shit ain't like" the Cosby show. TV shows are make believe; that goes for Seinfeld as much as Voyager.
Same thing that western movies did. The problem is is that most people grow out of playing cowboy and indians when they turn 14.
Actually, some of them went on to play cowboy and indians in places like Vietnam or Iraq, or sent people to do so. Maybe watching TV shows where people came in peace under a directive of non-interference to a wide variety of cultures might have reduced the tendency to kill people who don't look like us.
Also, I'm saying that people who are obsessed with Sci-Fi shows are of a lower order.
Then people who reply to a Slashdot post on a Mondy morning? Some people - apparently not us - have something productive to do at that time.
you just choose not to challenge my assertions that Sci-Fi shows promote psychological issues.
That assertion was never clearly made, and I'm not sure it's worth challenging without evidence backing it up. (The fact that a very small percentage of the watchers of the shows have taken it to a point of obsession shows nothing unless you can show that these people wouldn't have focused their obsessions elsewhere.)
They are going into mental wards, of course I'm superior to them.
If you read the comments, you'll find that they're finding someone who speaks Klingon to be put on a list in case they find someone who only speaks Klingon. Is there any evidence that more science fiction fans go into mental wards then other comparable sections of society?
Einstein was not mentally divergent.
[Wordnet] divergent adj 1: diverging from another or from a standard; "a divergent opinion" [syn: differing(a)]
A quick websearch reveals the phrase "mentally divergent" to come from 12 Monkeys. If you meant to say "insane", perhaps that's the word you should have used.
People who use "profanity" are of a lessure statute.
Profanity can be used to great effect, when used sparingly for emotional impact. But the problem with your language is that you use vague slurs - "fucking", "retarded" (when used as an insult), "dumbass", "dipshit" - that express the fact that you don't approve of the subject, but don't explain why you disapprove, nor (consider how obvious your disapproval is otherwise) do they add anything to your message.
Equating any language and "Klingon" is just retarded. People who are this obsessed with a TV show should be put into the next reality based TV show. Put 3 people from each dumbass Sci-Fi show with a cult following, and let them fight to the death. It'd be like watching declawed sloths try to attack each other.
For example, all this message does is convey your displeasure with me and your feelings of superiority to people who watch Sci-Fi. It presents no argument which can be debated, nor any information which can be discussed.
Exactly, two languages that are completely useless, spoken by only a few handfuls of obsessed nuts.
Yeah, why speak a language besides English? Ignoring literary reasons (which Esperanto has) and cultural reasons (i.e. obsessed nuts) there's no reason to speak something besides one of about twenty languages. Somehow, I doubt you understand any of those languages, though, so maybe it's hard for you to understand why culture and community are important reasons to learn and know a language.
Transliteration of Klingon into Latin letters (the letters used for most western and central European languages) suffices for now.
The decision of the Unicode consortium not to encode Klingon was based on the fact that's not transliteration; every real life use of Klingon occurs in Latin letters. That's the native form of real life Klingon, however it might be used by fictional creatures. Since real life Klingon is virtually invariably in Latin, there's no need to encode Klingon characters.
if they are that fucked up they are pretty much useless as it is..
If they're so fucked up they can't use proper English, including fine details like proper use of capitals and apostrophes, they're pretty much useless, yes.
My tax dollars (and yours) are paying someone to speak a fictional language... don't you find that a bit wrong?
No? You're drawing an arbitrary line between fictional and real (a lot of modern languages have been edited by a linguist along the line; modern Hebrew being a prime example) and saying that we shouldn't help someone who desperately needs help because the language they prefer to speak is on the other side of that line.
Klingons aren't fucking real.
Klingon speakers are.
These people are mentally divergent,
So was Einstein, and many other people who changed our world. As a matter of fact, genius itself is mentally divergent.
and need help understanding that Klingon's don't fucking exist. They don't need someone to speak Klingon because it will enforce their delusions.
Have you met them, and done a psychological evaluation? If not, how you can say what they need and what speaking Klingon will do to them? Maybe the best we can do is four padded walls and three square meals for the rest of their lives. Maybe they just need some medication, which we can administer if we can just tell them to hold still. Maybe they need someone to talk them out of the corner of the mind they're hiding in, in the only language they understand at the moment.
our public schools are experiencing really shitty funding problems
I can see the effect it had on your language skills, and the wide command (or lack of) adjectives it gave you.
we're hiring figments of peoples imaginations...
I hate to mention this to you, but that's what languages are. No language has any reality outside the mind of a person.
It's nice to know that people spend a whole lot of good time religeously studying something like Klingon, instead of some useless subject, like Portugese or Japanese.
(What's religious about it?)
It's nice to know that people spend a whole lot of good time studying art, instead of some useless subject like engineering or business. We could trim large parts of our civilization if we were willing to be an efficent civilization, but we aren't; we're prone to waste time on aesthics and entertainment. People don't learn Klingon instead of Portuguese; people learn Klingon instead of hanging out on Slashdot or watching more TV, or in many cases along side learning Portuguese and Japanese.
How possible is it to learn and use this "language" to the point of forgetting your native one?
Why the quotes? It is a language; the entire text of Hamlet can be expressed in Klingon, to take just one example. And it's probably not a matter of forgetting your native tongue; it's a matter of choosing not to use it, as much as "choose" is the appropriate word for a mental patient.
don't you think that is has gone too far when public money is spent on something like this?
Communicating with the mentally ill? I would think that's an important part of great civilizations, that we help those who are not as well off as we. Even if it means trying to understand those who can't communicate in pure RP 'standard' English.
But by "commercial" I meant non-parody use, i.e. using something in the same way as it was originally created.
Quotation is a form of commercial fair use. A newspaper can quote a speech without having to get permission.
Dude, seriously, what the fuck are you talking about?
Seriously, dude, it might be nice to know what your talking about and speak English, instead of using phrases like "to clown on you".
Your cpu doesn't "process it all" now. If talks with what it needs do.
But the more and more data you have, the more likely you are to try and handle large quantities. Search every text file on your system, or merely scan and process a file at 600 DPI instead of 300.
I'm also pretty damn confused as to what you mean by negative integers? Hopefully that was some weak attempt at a buffer-overflow joke or a stack dump or something because the logical part of my brain
The logical part of your brain obviously never studied computers very much. In assembly, if you continue adding to a signed integer value, it will overflow to negative. In 16 bits, 32767 + 1 = -32768, IIRC. If you program in C or Fortran or any other language that doesn't check overflow, the same thing will happen. I've seen reports that I had transfered -2 GB this session, because the program overflowed at 4 GB. Same principle.
Sure, but you can't sell anything you've sampled without permission; commercial re-use isn't "Fair Use".
It certainly can be. Parody is a common example of commercial fair use.
But if Mosfet's "professional" thumbnail spec just happens to be more efficient, faster or better in some way than the "standard" I think it should be adopted.
I've had at least four types of thumbnails for graphics on my computer. If I have to create the thumbnails twice, that's twice the time and twice the space. If they would just standardize on one thumbnail type, no matter what, that would be more efficent then having multiple thumbnails around.
Chances are DivX won't last 20 years.
I can run binaries for the PDP-11 and play old Atari and Commodore 64 games, and old Amiga tunes on XMMS. But all the geeks who have hours and hours of anime and TV shows and porn in DivX are going to be unable to port the DivX codec to whatever system were running in 20 years, and not even be able to run xine under a x86 emulator? I regard that as very unlikely.
This is funny, considering the crushing amount of spam that comes from misconfigured boxen in the .sk address space.
I hardly see how the amount of spam coming from Slovakia has anything to do with South Korea (.kr).
Security is to do with administration, not the operating system.
Install a default OpenBSD and a default Windows'98, connect them to a network and see who gets hacked first.
Look at the history of the US' meddling in South America. Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile, Panama. We've helped violent Coups, given money to some freedom fighters while supported friendlier dictators. Ask THEM if our "Christianity" is the problem.
And how many terrorist attacks against us have come from their soil? How many of their governments have supported terrorist groups? I never said the US was innocent; but a significant part of the reason the Arabs react to us like they do is religious reasons.
Thats because (Surprise!) thats not the real reason the terrorists hate us. They hate us frot he same reason the canadian wrote this article. Because we try to interfere in other countries buisness very aggressively.
And the fact that we are a Christian, democratic nation. If we were a Islamic, theocratic nation, we could interfere all we wanted, and it would be okay.
Unfortunately, for whatever reason, Israel uses them to kill palestinians (justified or not).
That has little to nothing to do with it. Ever since Israel was created, large parts of the Arab world have wanted to destroy it. They just don't like the concept of a Jewish state on their land, no matter what it's doing.
I do feel, however, that I knew a lot more people then who just loved computers and their potential
First, it was an age where just owning a home computer was 3133t in and of itself, all OSes were made by more or less distant corporations and you were hanging out in a local community. You're now hanging out on a international message board for people who are into computers, and the two main operating systems are one that everyone has and one that designed for tinkering and where it's easy to be part of the making of, and there seems to be a lot more legal action over what you can and can't do with your computer. Needless to say, hobbiests are going to be strongly polarised on the issues, and you're hanging out with a more strongly polarised selection of people in an environment that doesn't discourage extremism, so you're going to see more of it.
When I started out writing software back around 1980, computers were just cool. Nobody really cared which OS you ran and we were as excited by the Amiga as we were by Atari, Apple, or whatever else computer.
Which planet did you happen to live on? Because my sources have the Unix-haters handbook coming out of that era, and many ITS users pissed off about Unix (try looking up "Unix conspiracy in the Jargon file), Apple and DOS users writing viruses for each other's systems (I think this fact was from Norton) and Amiga users evangelising everyone else.
For believing that they have intellectual property that's been stolen and wanting to protect it?
If you want to protect your IP, you usually start by announcing exactly what you think was stolen and demanding they stop using it. If you start making vague accusations and absurd claims, it looks like you're just trying to spread FUD. In 1993, people were leaving SCO for a still young Linux, because SCO sucked worse. To claim ten years later that Linux stole technology from you that your OSes doesn't even have doesn't make you look like you're honestly trying to protect your IP; it makes it look like you're trying to attack a competitor using whatever BS you have at hand.
you're employing a somewhat dangerous hack here.
Dynamically writing code is not a dangerous hack. The more correct way of solving this problem is for people not to use unchecked arrays that can overflow - C, C++ and a few other really low level languages about the only languages that have unchecked arrays as a standard data type. Most of these problems don't show up in programs written in other languages.
the whole purpose of programming in C is to have an unbloated, minimalist language.
That may be your purpose, but there are other reasons to program in C; the most common IMO is to have a programming language that's portable to every piece of junk ever built and/or that everyone knows. I'm sure theres's other reasons why people program in C.
So I don't think you have to worry about C99
The Linux kernel is converting some of its use of GCC extensions to C99, so there is some use out there. Obviously there is some use to C99, or it never would have been standardized.
And I am sure people can take the K&R book and release an updated ANSI C version in no time
An incomplete version, sure. But not a full book covering ANSI C, which would require significant additions and notes.
Front end meaning the command line or something else?
The front end is the part of a compiler that takes a language and lexes, parses and digests the language; the backend is the part that takes the digested code and turns it into assembly. Writing something that outputs x86 code (the backend) is easier then parsing full standard C, much less the GCC C you'd quite possibly need to handle, which is the frontend's job.
The GCC from 1990 would barely work on an x86 at all
The big question would be, is it more work to take the 1990 GCC frontend and update it to C99 (or probably even full C89), or rewrite that frontend?
Fscking hard drives is so last millenium. Journaling filesystems have taken over.
I'm running ext3 here, and every so often I boot up and the computer says, "You haven't fscked your hard drives in a while. Go take a nap; it'll be a while", and the system starts fscking the hard drive. And as the wise anonymous coward replies, nothing's 100%, and sometimes filesystems get borked no matter what you do.