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SCO DOS'ed
Thomas Cort writes "BusinessWeek has an article about a DDoS attack against SCO.
"At 10:45 a.m., the Unix and Linux seller was hit by a distributed denial-of-service attack (DDoS) that hampered its Internet operations, said SCO spokesman Blake Stowell ... the Utah-based company has incurred the wrath of many Linux enthusiasts infuriated with its lawsuit against IBM ... SCO's Internet service provider, ViaWest, told SCO that about 100 high-speed T1 data-transmission lines of network capacity--about 90 percent of its total bandwidth--was being consumed in the attack.""
I'd hate to say this, but serves them right.
Shocked! Shocked, I am! I am absolutely amazed it took THIS LONG for that to actually happen.
I remember thinking "they're gonna get hacked, DOSed and generally trashed" about 10 seconds into the *original* article.
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
That SCO-scum deserved it, even if it was illegal.
Shows how many Linux users are against this idiot shell-of-a-company.
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The funny thing is, I'm willing to bet money the zombies were all windows boxes. Although poetic justice would be to DDoS them with Unix boxes.
So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
Are they sure it wasn't just an old-fashioned slashdotting?
Quintus malus puer est.
Who? SCO or the people initiating the attack?
Er, that's 3 words... ;)
release the hounds!
That would be like digital canabalisum or something. Oh wait. sco is already eating their own asses.
The way they've been acting recently is a bit Microsoftish. Just because they can't find a way to profit from Linux doesn't mean they should sue Redhat and IBM.
Check out this article about the GPL implications of their republishing IBM's alegedly infringing code in their own version of Linux.
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I like the worlds-smallest-violin dept.
It fits this perfectly. Nobody's going to feel sorry for SCO, claiming that somehow Linux is based off of their code. I remember seeing that map of the *nix's by SCO, that was totally made up. Perhaps someone should tell them that Linus wrote it from scratch...
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"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
-- George Orwell
Im betting it was all the dupes that finally brought the house down.
Manipulate the moderator system! Mod someone as "overrated" today.
Sure SCO is being a prick about this law suit but to have a bunch of vengefull open source/Linux Crusaders attack thier systems just gives the whole opensource community a bad name. Just suck it up and let them sue, cause either we the open source community screwed up and used code we shouldn't have or SCO is blowing smoke and IBM will win the suit.
Gotta love the way the article puts this whole slant that it must be Linux fans doing it. The SCO guy just coming out and saying it's unprofessional for us linux boys to do this sort of thing, that just reeks dude. Reeks. Leeks. mmmm, hungry.
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NOT. If you piss off alot of technically knowledgeable people you're gonna get screwed.
This P.I.G. will walk on the water, This P.I.G. will walk on the sea, This P.I.G. will walk whereever he wants.
The guys who did this are only hurting the open source movement.
Which is the correct form, Lunix or Loonix?
"It will be like taking candy from a baby... hey, that sounds like a lark - let's try it right now!" - Mr Burns (aka the new CEO of SCO) talking about the IBM Lawsuit.
there are too many *legal* ways of showing to SCO our revolt with they 're dirty tactics without needing to play at they 're (very low) level
Just my two cnts
cheers from Portugal ...
that they weren't just slashdotted?
True genius is grasping a situation like a peice of fruit, and peircing it just right so that it drains dry.
This is another lie by the American press! SCO was not DOS'd. Infact, we today DOS'd over 50 linux websites. Let the linux infidels come, there will be a day of reckoning for Red Hat and SuSE when this is done.
Mohammed al-Sahaf (now the SCO press minister)
Former Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf
is not the law
remember that everyone here with a lot of antisocial tech savvy time on their hands
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
A DDoS attack is hitting below the belt, though, Stowell said. "It's one thing to have a complaint with SCO's lawsuit or with our position in terms of code being found in Linux. It's another thing to deal with that in an unprofessional way," he said.
Anyone here feel sorry they where treated unprofessionally? I don't know, I learned as a child to do unto others as I would like others to do unto me.
While performing illegal acts on the net threaten's the freedom's we currently enjoy, I don't particularly care in this case.
Oh, and uh, it wasn't me. OK? Hear that Big Bother? Not me. I didn't do it. I was downloading porn when it happened. Check your logs, you'll see.
yeah, I totally agree. What would be far more matured is a defaced sco website that says "SCO SUXX0RZ L1NUX R0XX0RZ!" and then at the bottom of the page it said "nanny nanny boo boo! You smell like doo doo!"
That's how Miss Manners would handle this.
In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
Freaks rejected by society engage in a shocking attack against an authority figure, thereby justifying attacks against those freaks.
Just great, now SCO will get all Stryker on Linux's ass, just what we need.
- jon
Ganymede, a GPL'ed metadirectory for UNIX
Absolutely right. I wouldn't be surprised to see some MS FUD based on this, e.g. "You really don't want to get involved with those Linux hooligans. Do anything they don't like and they'll attack your systems."
How to solve most of our problems: 1.Lots of nuclear plants. 2.Cure aging.
http://www.caldera.com/ Nothing like a Slashdotting during a DDoS attack.
Who said that a bunch of people were involved in the attack. The article said it was around 138 machines. An attack that small was could easily have been done and probably was by one person.
I hate to advocate this sort of thing, but your suggestion would have been far more effective. DDOS is something anyone can do. You cna't stop it, I can't stop it. It can only be blocked upstream.
But if the boxes had been broken into, it would have tarnished the reputation of SCO products. Though it may be a bit late to do that because their products really don't have a decent reputation.
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If not SCO, perhaps you can think of another organization that would like to discredit Linux.
You are being MICROattacked, from various angles, in a SOFT manner.
They have, haven't they? Contrary to what the article says, I do believe this is a major hole in the foot for their faux pas against IBM, because regardless of the validity of said code secrets, and regardless of whether they're GPLed or not, SCO have made the code publicly available, long before they prepared or made complaint against IBM. How could IBM steal something that's publicly available? D'oh?
I can't see how it could be applied this way (surprise: IANAL), but it would be ironic enough to be picked up with a magnet if SCO's publication-under-the-GPL of this code implied the GPLing of their UnixWare(tm,(R),(c),etc...) code as well. I imagine that would have rather... extensive effects on things like their share-market value.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
gosh, someone gives me a few Tera byte storage and a link to their network 8(
It takes 40+ muscles to frown, but only four to extend your arm and bitchslap the motherfucker
For those of you who's lazy to click, here's two paragraphs summary:
The upshot of this GPL paragraph is that by relicensing their own code under non-GPL terms, once having knowingly released said code under the GPL, they have forfeited their own rights to distribute Linux. Or, at least that's how I interpret it. Further, the same paragraph states that the rest of us still hold full GPL rights to the code SCO originally licensed to us via the GPL.
The bottom line to us would appear to be that, even if there is IBM-introduced, SCO-owned, infringing code in Linux, it is now officially released under the GPL by the copyright holder, SCO. And, of course, no sanitizing of the Linux kernel is necessary. This spat should have no effect on Linus, Red Hat, SuSE, or any other Linux developer or distributor.
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Error 500: Internal sig error
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We take the high road or we go away as anything meaningful.
SCO doesn't need us to shoot them in the foot, they are doing that themselves.
On a lighter note, aren't all those virus cluckers supposed to prevent this in windows?
I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty
Just goes to show that the power of the people will always show through, some how.
I was expecting this attack much earlier, when SCO first brought this accusation to light. Hrm. I suspect that this isn't that last one, either. And will it stop at DoS attacks? Whether or not IBM broke any of these agreements, I don't think it really matters. No one likes the SCO, especially now. SCO seems to be the only ones who care. Though, you have to wonder... What would they do with the $1 Billion if they won? Yes, IF. Perhaps these attacks will change their mind, or perhaps they will just lose in court.
This took WAY TOO LONG. For the non-hacker, how can you help?
/. reader left their pc's pinging SCO... plus the current DDOS.... /Insert own idea here/
Whatever happened to signing them up to every junkmail and junk email list also?
Posting every SCO email address on numerous usenet groups.
Phoning the 1800 numbers to cost them a bundle in toll calls asking stupid questions about the lawsuit.
Or the good ol' fashioned turd in a parcel gag....
Pinging SCO flat out won't do diddly squat, but if every
Since any action brings reaction, that should serve SCO just fine. This may sound harsh but don't forget that they were the ones that first hit below the belt ;)
"It was the second-largest onslaught ViaWest had experienced, according to SCO."
The first being the Slashdotting they got?
Note to M1-ers: a curt but otherwise insightful message is not "Flamebait" or "Troll".
Despite the fact that I think SCO deserves it, I wonder if this will look good for open source. I mean I can see the FUD for this already.
"If you even make threats against the open source community they may just attack your systems. "
It wouldn't surprise me if SCO DOS'd themselves for more attention (or possibly DOS'd themselves by accident knowing those wankers), but I can see a possible bad spin.
Only SCO has the technical know-how to develop DOS software, and to carry it out.
The open source community just isn't capable of developing such techniques, despite published papers being available for years on the topic of DOS attacks.
IBM must have helped them.
Then again, the whitehats are probably as pissed off as the blackhats and fig'd having SCO nuked off the net would probably be a good thing.
TenTACLE pr0N!
Just what we need; publicity for the kiddies responsible for the DDoS.
Jsut on a sidenote though, why are we measuring traffic in numbers of T1s? That's so... uh, 1990s.
Only on slashdot can a posting be rated "Score -1, Insightful".
I don't know if many courts would hold someone liable for something they did unintentionally in this way.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
This may sound ignorant, but i think the whole lawsuit thing is just a Publicity stunt. I never heard of SCO before any of this happened.
>SCO's Internet service provider, ViaWest, told SCO that about 100 high-speed T1 data-transmission lines of network capacity--about 90 percent of its total bandwidth--was being consumed in the attack.
so their ISP has a little over 2 T3's worth of capacity total? sounds like a real group of pros.
This is what happens when demented people play with powerful toys.
Okay. IBM has a lot of bandwidth. IBM has an outsourcing network solutions division. IBM has hired "hackers" at various times to do penetration testing and the like for said division. SCO sues IBM while taking a swipe at Linux. SCO gets DDoSsed into the uucp era.
It's likely completely coincidental, but it is conceptually quite amusing.
We had DOS never had SCO mind YOU !!!
This took WAY TOO LONG. For the non-hacker, how can you help?
If you want to help out in a DDOS attack, but you don't have the skills to engineer such a thing, then you should consider using these products.
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Damnit. This sort of crap is exactly what we don't need! SCO's not pursuing this case because they expect to win, they're trying to get as much media attention as possible. The more bad press the OSS/Linux/GNU/hacker community gets, the stronger the need to shut SCO up becomes. They want to be bought out. Demostrating to the world that there are "evil hackers" out there with little respect for corporations and the law just adds fuel to a fire.
The drama the DDoS kiddies serves as a nice distraction that SCO has no case!
NOT. If you piss off alot of technically knowledgeable people you're gonna get screwed.
Please show the 'screwing' the SPAMMERS are getting?
Mod me down, I really don't care at all. I am anti-linux and pro-BSD for no other reason than the fact that I can't stand the brutal attitude shown by a majority of linux users. In fact, I've influenced clients to go with BSD instead of linux for just that reason. Wanna hear a secret? I'm not the only one.
Let me guess: you don't care and I can go fuck myself. Doesn't break my heart -- I like to be proven right.
This was just the first step taken by the RIAA's cyberwar attack. Looks like somebody had an mp3 on their server.... ;)
The only thing that will stop you from fulfilling your dreams is you. - Tom Bradley
There used to be a show on television called Vengeance Unlimited. When they cancelled that show and replaced it with "America's Funniest Pets," I stopped watching television, having realized just how profoundly low the content providers had stooped.
In one episode, the main character (the vengeance for hire guy) manages to jack ill gained (down payment) money that a bogus real estate agent had scammed out of people. In its place in the safe deposit box, the vengeance guy left a note that read:
NANNY NANNY BOO BOO.
That is the message, I hope, that SCO has received by the zillions of angry /. readers and other geeks around the world who are outraged at SCO's stupid, obvious attempt to make money by legal (court litigation) means instead of by marketing and "honest" business means.
That's right, SCO... Read my sig and whimper. (Its explanation is in another post of mine somewhere.)
I mean SCO seems allright now. And besides I can't imagine that anyone would stoop so low as to deliberatly overload their servers. Besides just look at their site. Which is running so well as I look at it now. It would truly be a shame if their servers happended to get ./ed, wouldn't it?
I stole this Sig
Perhaps the RIAA should head the warning.
that was DOS directed from inside SCO !!!
Our first assessmnet is- that SCO will die- all of them- if not many!!!
I will commit source commit checkin for new DOS
in ONE HOUR.
by implying that GNU/Linux fans did this. I say we should all file separate (not joint) lawsuites against them for defamation (this would really fuck up their legal department with paperwork, because they'd be sued by about a thousand people at once).
social sciences can never use experience to verify their statemen
So, the DDoS is using 90% of their bandwidth? Just think, if only the article had included a link to SCO, maybe we could have taken out their remaining 10%. :)
:)
Ok, the whole thing is childish and stupid and pointless -- I'm sure that IBM is more than capable of holding its own in court -- and two wrongs never make a right. Nevertheless, I find it hard to be too upset about this. It couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guys.
Maybe the RIAA are DDOSing them. Maybe SCO has some of them p2p users on their network. You can't hide from the might RIAA.
1. These are computers not human beings.
2. Crashing or overloading them is merely temporary suspended animation.
3. There was no real damage done.
4. So called lost transactions were merely delayed to another day not lost, therefore there was zero damage only righteous frustration of SCO.
It's the most satisfying benign form of protest.
I encourage it.
Also, I'll add that the Usenet Death Sentence was often used to get ISPs to care about spam. Quite effectively too.
The message on the other side of this sig is false.
The sometimes rumored IBM suite to cement the GPL?
IBM offers to buy SCO, if they first sue and loose because of the GPL.
Just a thought.
actually, I don't agree- my post was totally in jest.
But I can't for a second see how hacking can prove the point that SCO's products are untrustworthy. It isn't as if they have made some fool hardy claim that their software is "UNBREAKABLE" (ahem, Oracle, ahem)... besides most breakins can be blamed on the people. Therefore a break-in isn't enough to prove that their products stink.
In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
Remember, they have to pay for the bandwidth their servers use, generally.
Dark Nexus
"Sanity is calming, but madness is more interesting."
funny hahahaha funny. Did you think of that all by yourself or did your mommy help you?
Tom
Someday, I'll have a real sig.
In other news, SCO plans to sue its own OpenLinux division for possibly abusing access to UNIX trade secrets. SCO issued a press release stating that there was "substantial evidence" that their Linux group had used proprietary UNIX code in the Linux kernel and OpenLinux operating system, though the press release then stated, "but we don't have it with us."
Signature.
classic!
contained in the SYS V startup scripts.
It's time to move to bsd style startups to avoid having SCO pull an RIAA (removing them)
The truth about Led Zep should never be told on
Of all the attacks we heared going on the Internet, DDoS or other, none has been yet reported as the work of a terrorist group or rogue country. I wonder why? Maybe some iTerroist attacks occured but gouvernments kept them in secrecy... Maybe terrorists do not have yet the technicals skills or do no find the "rewards" of such attacks worth the efforts...
Remember the year 2000? They promised us flying cars. They delivered the PT Cruiser...
Now the legal system will have even less respect for linux, and those working on it -- some of whom happen to be the defendants in a somewhat important lawsuit happening at the moment.
So while, yes, it's quite funny, perhaps it wasn't a particularly wise move? People need to start repsonding intelligently rather than with knee-jerk retribution.
Sounds like it:
Well, let's see:
A single T3 is 28 T1s. So four T3s is 112 T1s. 90% of that is 100.8 T1s - "about a hundred T1s".
So it sounds like Via West, their ISP, only HAS four T3s worth of connectivity to the rest of the net. That's pretty rinky-dink as ISPs go - but the Santa Cruz area is pretty small, over the coastal range from the main drag for communication lines, and doesn't have a lot of industry. I could easily see the local ISPs getting by on foure T3s rather than stringing a couple fibers that far (or renting them from somebody who did). That's big bucks for a small user community.
Given that SCO's website was mentioned in a slashdot article, I could easily see the readers following the link and slashdotting it until their ISP was at 90% with the web requests.
But the Business Week article also says that the attack was from 138 zombies, not from the general net. 138 machines could easily produce a DDoS attack of that magnitude. But a slashdotting would be a lot less traffic each from a lot more sites across the whole net.
So, no, it looks like a real DDoS.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
The ministry is briefing YOU that WE WILL NEVER DOS!!!
I can't beleive i'm saying this but I sure hope that
Who ever the bad people doing this keep it up. SCO are being dicks and i'd love to offer my spare computing and network cycles to take them off the air for doing so.
The difference between Canada and the USA is that in Canada healthcare is a right and gun ownership is a privilege.
A DS-3 for a company might be fine, but when your ISP's entire backbone consists of two DS3s and two OC-3s, you are in trouble.
But then, it's not like Microsoft's reputation is any different.
A firebombing...
when come back bring pie
There is no evidence to suggest that the individuals who did this have anything to do with the FS/OSS GNU/Linux community, or were even fans of GNU/Linux.
There are many possibilities as to who did this, only one of which is a Linux-fan.
Could have been an angered ex-employee at SCO.
Could have been a renegade at IBM.
Could have been someone who doesn't like SCO for some other reason.
So, stop defaming the Linux community.
social sciences can never use experience to verify their statemen
138 zombies? I doubt they have as many clients left.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
My surprise on a scale of 1 to 10: -37
Blatant self-promotion: Jerek.net
>Or the good ol' fashioned turd in a parcel gag....
Man, I googled and I couldn't come up with a link, but there used to be a site that you could mail-order a treat for your friend. Something like $2.50 and a hermetically sealed container of the poop of your choice (horse, cow, cocker spaniel, etc) sent anonymously to anywhere you want - fork included.
There is much cruelty in the universe, John.
Yeah, we seem to have the tour map.
..nothing like a legal DoS to protest accusations of a network DoS.
That Jesus Christ guy is getting some terrible lag... it took him 3 days to respawn! -NJ CoolBreeze
For all we know, this is some outraged SCO user who's angry at SCO for using Linux. Bet ya a nickle the 138 "zombies" are M$ boxes. It would be hard to find that many working SCO computers tied to the internet.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
So you get enough people to file lawsuits at the same time around the country, everyone filing suit has the same access to high quality lawyerly materials, and then you watch the company struggle underneath the weight of all the lawyers they have to employ......hmmm, I wonder if that would work against say the RIAA?
Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhn!
Bada bing!
Omg thats funny. Why a fork though? ... oh nevermind i just got that.
It's that kid hacker from The Core. His kung-fu is indeed strong.
"Anyone here feel sorry they where treated unprofessionally? I don't know, I learned as a child to do unto others as I would like others to do unto me."
If this is true? Then all those "copyright violaters" have nothing to complain about when the RIAA, MPAA returns fire.
Oh how sweet it is!!
Ok, so they are loaded down to 90%...
How about let's see that raised to 110% ???
And let it not stop until they relent.
This is not about defending IBM but about defending the FREE WORLD..
The DDOS'ers are freedom fighters..
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war !!!
The code that was given to IBM was given as Unix, not under GPL. SCO claims IBM released THAT code under Linux. They can release it now.. and IBM could even claim they took the code released under SCO, incorporated that GPL code into their products, but theyre not claiming that now. Theyre claiming they never did release SCO code under Linux. We dont even know what product of Linux is accused of containing tainted code.
Therefore they should be dDosed
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
Fanboy!
Because we know it's bunch of Linux fans doing this, using their Linux kernel that could not have been developed without SCO code, therefore it is the SCO code DOS'ing SCO...ah the sweet irony.
This DoS attack will cripple SCO!
Well, it *would* if they had any products or customers. I didn't even realize they had a web site until this lawsuit came up.
the RIAA, then business cannot complain when it happens to them. One rule for all thanks.
I bet not a single Microsoft user was involved. Just an example of the blind linux fanatics running wild.
Linux is dead, long live BSD!
Why do DOS attacks still work? I find it really bizarre that people fail to make crucial security patches that could easily prevent these problems.
--Goat
CEO, Goat Software
Goatblog
I think terrorists groups' goals are to instill fear or terror. Somehow an attack on the Internet doesn't seem too terrifying.
They intentionally released (and continue to intentionally release) Linux distributions including GPLed kernel code containing the putative code that they're whining about. AFAICT, that's what counts in court. Whether they unintentionally shot themselves in the foot (or head) at the same time appears to be immaterial.
I can't see a way of propagating that far enough back to force UnixWare open - but I'd be laughing for days if it did happen, it'd be near as funny as Microsoft GPLing the Windows 2003 source code.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
It would be quite sad if someone were to uncover some illegal pornography and tip-off the FCC^HPatriot Act^HHOMOLAND SECURITY FORCES and shutdown their service for a bell or two.
How will this influence a judge who gets to hear the case?
I can't advocate DDoSing, but they do deserve a little something as a reward for being greedy, destructive dickheads.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
Unfortunately it wouldn't be FUD, it would be the truth.
"If you piss off alot of technically knowledgeable people you're gonna get screwed."
What do you get if you piss off the guy who changes your lightbulbs?
This link gives me a 404 error. Are you sure it is the right one?
Whether we screwed up or not isn't the question, its who is going to win, IBM ofcourse. Just look at Microsoft, they screwed up and still won.
Nice way to get respect for Linux, you dipshits.
I don't care what you said, it might be even right, I've gotta question.
What is BSD?
Perhaps I'm too young too know the dying horse.
Woah dude,
Look out for those black hawke helicopters, and don't forget to scan your bedroom for tiny transmitters.
I'm off to buy some more tinfoil, the rays are getting stronger.
it is only after a long journey that you know the strength of the horse.
Yeah, dat's right! 'Cause in America our courts always find truth and justice, regardless of how rich or how poor...oh, wait a second...
Actually, I was trying to be Insightful, not Funny.
Notice the title on this page:
nice tags, ASSHAT!
This has been a communique from the Anti-Stupidity League. Further communication shall follow.
I think that this DDOS attack is unfortunate, not because I have any love for SCO, but rather because it makes the Linux community look bad. Never mind that IBM has the biggest motive to attack SCO; most of the sort of people that use "cracker" and "hacker" simultaneously will just see Linux as juvenile computer criminals-are us.
This is not surprising, however, since SCO has made a giant ass of themselves.
hmm another MS standard darkness ?
I had a pet once
M$ deserves to be DDos'ed. Just like Saddam deserved what he got and just like what SCO is getting right now.
As it stands now, I'm downloading my evaluation copy of SCO Linux right now.
Oh darn! It got lost right at the very end of the darn download! I guess I'll have to start that download all over again!
darn it!!
"The right of the people to peaceably assemble shall not be infringed".
Send a mail to executives of SCO
(I cannot find the direct e-mail adresses info@sco.com will have to do the service)
Darl C. McBride - President & CEO
Chris Sontag - Senior VP & General Manager, SCOsource Division
Robert K. Bench - CFO
Opinder Bawa - Senior VP, Engineering and Global Services
Sean Wilson - Senior VP, Corporate Development
May be after few days they will understand that they alianetad to many people.
For fun you can try to listen to the recording
of the public teleconference 'Earnings Release Call'.
Behavior like this will just get people back to good old stealth machination that makes people wonder if their lives are just terrible or if some sinister force is at work.
http://www.remix.net/
then we'll just DOS M$
Maybe this was just SCO's DDoS'd themselve. They may be trying to get some 'good' press.
Don't know if it was the site you remember or not, but one such site is www.dogdoo.com.
#include <sig.h>
I'm with you in much of what you just said. You're definitely right about the tarnishing that the Linux community is taking these days. Debates are often handled in a "I'm right and you're wrong because I like Linux" sort of way rather than in a responsible, productive way. I still run Linux in some areas because it makes sense in those areas, but in many others, I run -- dare I say it for fear of being told that I must have no clue about IT - Windows. Yep -- Windows, Exchange, SQL Server, Office... but again -- where it makes sense.
Kinda ironic that this is the same company that uses the phone number 1-888-GO-LINUX. It's right there on their feedback page.
(btw, the above was supposed to be a joke, mister humor-impaired-FBI-agent)
>>I wouldn't be surprised to see some MS FUD based on this
I'd put my money on compromised windows boxes doing the attack rather than a bunch of angry penguins. Most of that user community is smart enough to not try to take down a site from their own system/network. Besides, SCO has been creating enemies with all sorts of groups who have the technical skills to make them suffer. IBM and Linux just happen to be the latest/last group they pissed on. Not to say a *nix user did not coordinate the attack, but I'll bet we don't hear boo from Redmond about what actually was running the attack.
+++ UGUCAUCGUAUUUCU
Maybe I should have said: "If pissing off smart people gets you screwed, what does pissing off stupid people get you?"
..if the boxes had been broken into, it would have tarnished the reputation of SCO...
Nuts. It would only have tarnished the reputation of the who did the hacking.
All this gloating about DOS'ing SCO only makes the Linux crowd look like a bunch of adolescent boys.
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
How is this flame-bait? I really don't get it.
You really don't want to get involved with those Linux hooligans. Do anything they don't like and they'll attack your systems.
So buy Microsoft. Because we never get attacked!*
* exceptions include Nimda, CodeRed, Slammer, VB-scripts, MSWord macros, I love you, trojans, haxors, script kiddies, anyone with a degree in computer science, that guy in your class with the messy hair and your grandmother.
This is left as an exercise for the reader.
In fact, I've influenced clients to go with BSD instead of linux for just that reason.
Listen to yourself: You're advocating the use of an OS based on the who is using it.
I'll never understand this way of thinking.. A good product will always attact good and bad people in mass.. Let's just imagine for second that everyone listened to the BSD advocates, and switched to BSD. Where are you going to turn when the idiots follow again? Is there some section in the BSD license that makes it impossible for the kiddies to use it or something?
How are you going to prevent people you don't like from using something that is useful?
More imporantly, why do you even care who else uses your software? After all, it is your software.
I guess some people were just born to be bitter..
Why do I keep typing pythong?
How about sitting back with some snacks and enjoy the show as IBM pounds those cocksuckers to red splat on the floor?
No need to be childish.
So now the general public, and all the PHB's out there see it like this:
SCO does something wholly American by pursuing "Legal Action" against those open source thieves. And these linux "hackers" respond by in a "hackerly" manner.
Great. As long as we keep up on the snide comments made to "Windoze Luzurz", we should be right on track to obscurity.
Shift happens. Fire it up.
When I started out writing software back around 1980, computers were just cool. Nobody really cared which OS you ran and we were as excited by the Amiga as we were by Atari, Apple, or whatever else computer. It never seemed to matter that much what OS they were running. Now it seems as bad as any religion. People seem to think that theirs is the only true way and everybody else is going to hell. So many seem to think that they have to convert everybody else to their OS religion or else destroy them. I'm so sickened by what the computer geek world has become.
I'm reading through these comments and I see so many who believe that snuffing somebody off the net via DDoS is good and justified. More disturbingly, I see so many other posts by people who say they don't agree with this tactic, but that SCO "deserves" it. Deserves it for what? For believing that they have intellectual property that's been stolen and wanting to protect it? For not agreeing with the Church of Open Source and asserting that they have a right to keep intellectual property to themselves?
People don't know what or how much SCO claims is stolen, but since their claim threatens the First United Assembly of Linux, they're considered evil and they must be destroyed by any means possible. It's not about right or wrong, it's about us vs. them, and that is so very wrong.
This "us vs. them" mentality seems strangely similar to the attitudes of terrorists who want to cleanse the world of infidels. Sure, the users aren't killing actual people (so far), but obviously some are willing to cut off the lifeline of an offending business. Isn't this just another, softer, form of terrorism?
Some of the posts on this thread even propose that SCO or IBM or Microsoft are behind this whole thing. Doesn't that seem at least glancingly similar to the supporters of religious terrorism proposing that the countries which are the target of attacks are perpetrating the attacks themselves? Is the community so desperate to believe that it's right that it will blind itself to the reality that perhaps some of its own members are taking things too far?
Are there any reasonable voices left? Is anyone willing to wait and see what and how much SCO claims was stolen before convicting them of some perceived crime against their Linux God? Or is this really how the world operates now? Do we just read the headlines, draw conclusions using vague information, then either join the mobs or stand by while the mobs torch them and say "well, they deserve it"? If they're vindicated in the end, will we just excuse ourselves by saying that they deserved it anyhow for all their other crimes against Linux?
FUCK THAT SHIT
How bout they deliver it to my house and include a slingshot instead of a fork?
I would like to do some dirty work personally.
-Grump
Is it true that more people vote for the winner of American Idol, than vote for the president? -Ali G.
Let's all visit 'em once a day 'til they say "uncle"
Otherwise why does this little thing even rank a mention?
-dameron
See what happens when you ridicule someone's Linux distro? We all made fun of Caldera instead of welcoming SCO into the Linux fold. Now, that little puppy we ignored and pushed away has come back to bite us in the ass with angry lawyer teeth. I suspect Lindows will be next.
and a windbag, as well.
SCO have made the code publicly available, long before they prepared or made complaint against IBM
Many people have mentioned this over the last few weeks. There's a problem in this logic.
The GPL that you mentioned is being imposed on the code by the party that contributed it (IBM, in this case). Even though SCO is distributing it as SCO Linux, the code is still the property and responsibility of the contributer. SCO can not be held responsible for any IP infiringement done by the developers.
Hence, if IBM put any of SCO's code in the Linux kernel and released it under the GPL, it's IBM who infringed SCO's IP.
Not that I am a SCO supporter, just pointing out the problem with the way some of us are looking at the issue.
I copied this sig.
But we will floss and gloss our boss to toss a hoss.
This is democracy Bush-Cheney style - a falling back to lawlessness.
Linux users are the barbarian hordes of the 21st century.
Competing with Microsoft used to be tricky; competing with Linux will be downright brutal.
One more crippling
bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD
market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of
all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states
that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've
known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by
failing dead last [samag.com]
in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to
be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's
future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't
be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very
bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red
ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having
lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time
FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point
more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's
keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there
are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of
OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are
about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume
of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put
FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 =
36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out
of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI
is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major
surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and
its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will
be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle
could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
Is this what "linux enthusiasts" are doing nowadays? Man, I get really annoyed. I thought I would consider myself a "linux enthusiast" too, but now I am not so sure anymore. Fuck you dumb script-kiddies who fucks up our reputation. Go ddos someone else for a less worthwile cause!
I'm ashamed that SCO is from the great state Utah
Sure SCO is being a prick about this law suit but to have a bunch of vengefull open source/Linux Crusaders attack thier systems just gives the whole opensource community a bad name. Just suck it up and let them sue, cause either we the open source community screwed up and used code we shouldn't have or SCO is blowing smoke and IBM will win the suit.
Thank you for being a voice of reason here. Now let's play a game of role reversal to illustrate why your point is so important:
What would your reaction be if Linus claimed to have proof that Mac OSX (not the Darwin part) had illegally incorporated some code he wrote and a horde of vengeful mac users DDOS'd kernel.org and the LKML?. I'm using Apple as an example because everyone would just laugh if I presumed a technically savvy microsoft cult following.
We'd be outraged, and rightfully so. It's probably illegal and definitely a breach of even the most basic etiquette guidelines that the internet relies on to function. So please stop cheering for script kiddies and criminals just because you find their antics amusing.
Shit, even CNET had this story before you.
I can't think of one good reason for not using the NetBSD rc system. FreeBSD 5.* has it too!
type of behaviour. Linux supporters had been putting in so much effort over the years to gain mainstream acceptance. To portray ourselves as a bunch of fanatics who do not hesitate to annihilate any oppositions will only garner more resistance to the OSS movement.
Shame on you!
Reality is what we taste, smell, see, hear and touch yet we cannot comprehend it...only approximate it.
hmmm... shouldn't they be suing Sun first then? After all, they're broke too.
"If any of you have questions, concerns or comments, feel free to contact me directly at darl@sco.com or my direct dial office number is 801-932-5820.
Very sincerely yours,
Darl McBride
President and CEO
The SCO Group"
found here
-- Given enough time and money, Microsoft will eventualy invent UNIX.
It only plays into SCO's hands by doing DOS and other attacks against them. Those of you who are doing this are only proving to SCO and to the rest of the world that the Linux community is a bunch of hackers and script kiddies.
Yes, what they are doing is reprehensible and it should be stopped, but not like this.
GJC
Gregory Casamento
## Chief Maintainer for GNUstep
The site www.sco.com is running Apache/1.3.14 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6 PHP/4.0.3pl1 on Linux.
If it weren't for that crappy piece of kernel code that IBM stole, it might have held up under the pressure!
does sco have any customers left?
What if they found the so-called stolen code after they released it under the GPL? Of course, the fact that they are still distributing it might have some bearing on that.
Yes, but by releasing the same IP themselves their case is hampered. Their(currently only speculated upon) case against Redhat is hampered more. Even more, SCO is demonstrating a complete indifference to their own IP by willfully allowing it to continue to be distributed by Suse and Redhat. They have openly stated that they will not disclose the infringing code, because that would allow the Linux distributors to stop infringing their IP by removing the suspect code.
There Is No DoS Attack. The Infidels are running scared behind their dial up aol accounts....
-Cnik
It will be script kiddies doing the DDOS not the opensource community... When that one News site got hacked during the Iraqi war do you think it was that US military that did it?
Who needs WiFi when we can have Packet Over Sheep! http://datacomm.org/PoS-InternetDraft.txt
From Netcraft: "The site www.sco.com is running Apache/1.3.14 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6 PHP/4.0.3pl1 on Linux."
Wow they're even running a vulnerable version of Apache... ON LINUX...
1.3.14 has had SERIOUS issues fixed since its release...
http://www.apacheweek.com/features/security-13
www.ati.com used to sell and mail Artificial Turds (inc), until ATi found their price and bought the domain. Unfortunately, no record of them exists on google, but a search of old companies in the US would probably bring them up. :-)
If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
The attack you're asking about is in preparation.
Tech Public Policy stuff
Didn't the company use to be a cutting edge technology shop--culturally famed for a clothing optional, party hard, work hard ethic...and now they are stuck in Provo, Utah!!!! where people wear funny underwear, consider Family Home Evening as the social highlight of the week and still whisper about what those Osmonds are doing with shock in their voice.
It must be tough to go from a culture of intense creativity to a shell of a business whose only offering to the world is the pursuit of lawsuits from past triumphs.
;o)
you must have information that the rest of us don't.
or a crystal ball.
fuck off.
(please mod this down, thank you)
No help from mommy needed. Just MS and the security stats is more than enough.
It was a Distributed Recursive Denial Of Service.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
I completely agree that the DDoS shouldn't be happening. The problem is, what can be done? We can hope that the perpetrators read Slashdot and be convinced to stop, but the damage is already done, and unless the law tracks them down, the perpetrators can't be controlled.
Unquestionably.
I think the GPL penny really hasn't dropped at all for so many important companies. Only a few people within SUn seem to really `get it', for example, and on the other side of the coin there are countless PHBs convinced that if they let a GPLed program in the door, every shred of their own software immediately becomes public.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
This just proves that Linux has the DoS code from SCO's kernel.
Do not let yourself get fooled LIKE SOCKETS from SCO's lies...there was no 256 limit on our servers!!!
...TOMORROW!
we will brief you on even more details
M. Al-Sahaf
SCO Guy: "Mike, could you hand me my notes? Oh, look at that, 'Annoy world - get DOS'd.' Even had it underlined!"
Andrew Borntreger
Champion of cinematic disasters
Anyone remember the USFL vs NFL fight? Hopefully whatever judge/judges presides over this case, he/she/they will be wise enough to determine an appropriate damage amount.
Let's hope for a finding in favour of SCO and damages be set at $1.00. After such an award, IBM should happily buy-out SCO for pennies on the dollar and do whatever with the morons that initiated the suit.
If VISTA is the answer, you didn't understand the question
If, as you said, everyone (including the linux pricks) moves to BSD and pollutes it, I will move to something else... or nothing.
So, if I may ask: "this is just your way to be unique. Running away from crowded teritory."
As for help, BSD and Linux have good support, except Linux support is easier to find because there is more Linux users than BSD. (please no flame wars on that)
But then again: "your unique speciality of running, isn't that making you getting support a bit harder than you're supposed to?"
All the bullshit politics make me consider doing so even now
Well, I share your opinion on that
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As I understand it, their nett worth is currently of the order of $20M, chicken feed against some of the big players. We have many local (Western Australian) one-shop manufacturing industries worth many times that. One counter-suit from IBM, and I expect their share value to implode like a balloon in a freezer.
They'll need to punch a hole in the carpet to continue the graph on their wall.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
The amazingly stupid thing about this is:
1) it makes a clear case for increasing criminal penalties for interfering with comm services.
2) It doesn't hurt SCO. It may, however, bankrupt the small, independent ISP they chose to do business with.
3) Even if it did hurt SCO, who gets canned over it? The lawyers? Nope. The CEO? Nope. The first-level support guys who live paycheck-to-paycheck? Yep.
DDOS'ing a company is a stupid, childish, and completely counter-productive thing to do. It harms nobody but innocent bystanders. Cheering these idiots on is no different from cheering on any other vandal.
I hate to say it, but these recent events can be taken several different ways. Consider this: Even under a massive DDoS attack, their servers running SCO Unix are still functioning, quite well. I still get very quick responses when visiting their site. And nobody has succeeded at hacking/defacing it yet.
I would have expected a good DDoS attack to make them completely inaccessible, but when I go to their site I don't notice any difference.
I find your post to be insensitive for two reasons. First of all, it is insensitive to women. Second of all, attacking SCO is kind of like beating up a crippled retard. So, at least indirectly, i find your post to be insensitive to crippled retards as well.
No, it's my way of choosing with whom I will associate. By and large, I don't like linux users, and choose to avoid dealing with them. If they spread like the plague, it is I who will displace myself. Like I said earlier, it won't break my heart to leave this all behind.
Well, I share your opinion on [considering leaving the industry because of politics]
There are many who do. Sadly, linux is truly about politics before software, which is part of why I choose to avoid this dealing with this 'set'.
I've just gotten a chance to hop on slashdot after enjoying the day and a nice movie.
Anyhow, thanks for the news about someone giving SCO an "electronic wedgie" --- I didn't really ask anyone for anything at all this year, but it sure was a nice birthday surprise.
-- me,
now "2 by 2"
Exactly on point.
There is no excuse for any DDoS. Period, End of subject.
It shows total disregard for the law. The same law we tout will support the GPL... and instead we say "screw the law, let's hang the bastards"
This has done more damage to Open Source than anything else in the last 5 years. Who's going to want to worry about using this "great software" that comes with a DDoS if you say something wrong?
(posting anonymously for fcear of being DDoS'd myself)
I am surprised similar things have not happend to H-1B and L-1 tech visa-related sites.
They have openly stated that they will not disclose the infringing code, because that would allow the Linux distributors to stop infringing their IP by removing the suspect code.
.
Cite, please.
Yeah, I know. Asking for a citation from an A.C. on slashdot. .
Great! Prove to them, and the world that you're all a bunch of self-righteous, unprofessional dorks that don't have the balls to speak up outside of Slashdot or Internet.
Look at your comparisons? Microsoft = SCO = Saddam? Jesus man, you need to get away from that computer more than your monthly trip to the store and weekly shower.
Again, I encourage you to keep it up, you're showing everyone how childish the Linux community really is.
and at work, we don't have religious wars about operating systems. We think computers are cool. We like our jobs. We use a whole range of stuff. Sure we bitch about Sun's high prices and how we have to buy our personal pizza boxes off ebay, but that's to be expected.
I think the problem is slashdot itself, it's a place where people eventually butt heads. There's nothing to do here but talk, share, debate, argue. That's not bad, but don't think that slashdot is an analogue of what people do, think, or say all day.
Fuck Beta. Fuck Dice
What you've just proven is that Linux is not alone in its legions of elitists and zealots. Such attitudes exist for *BSD. The same attitudes can be found amoung Windows supporters. And it is almost legendary amoung Mac enthusiasts. We don't even have to mention other environments like OS2, BeOS, VMS, etc.
Linux has its zealots, to be sure. But it also has a community that offers a wealth of information, code, and support. I've relied on this for years now as I use Linux at work and home.
One side note - I've also noticed bad attitudes. While we're usually discussing the attitudes of people who should be helping those who need help, there is also questionable attitudes expressed by some who ask for help. There seems to be a quantity of individuals who show up in various live and message forums with a "something for nothing" mentality. They expect immediate answers and help without putting out any effort on their own. Little wonder flames quickly follow.
If one wants that kind of help - it can be had. Buy a support contract from your favorite Linux company. Or use a service like Google Answers.
That doesn't mean the complete novice Linux user can't get free help. It does mean that instead of asking for solutions on a silver platter, a better strategy is to ask for where to find information. Instead of asking "How do I..", ask "What do I need for Foo service?" or "I read the food daemon HOWTO but I don't understand the '--widget' option, can someone explain what they mean?" Etc.
Of course - one is likely to find that this is a good strategy whether one is seeking help on Linux, BSD, Windows or any technical subject.
Well, this is typical. A bunch of nitwits who have no actual facts, just a series of shrill posts on Slashdot about how Linux or IBM could not possibly have any blame whatsoever no matter what in a million years so it must be SCO and who cares about SCO anyway and SCO's just trying to save it's own ass blah blah blah let's git 'em.
Nowadays they call this a DDOS. It used to be called a lynch mob. Both of them share the same moral ground.
Chr0m0Dr0m!C
I'm not the AC that posted, but here's the article the AC referred to. McBride is quoted as saying that he won't specify which code was copied so the Linux community can't launder the code and somehow erase the evidence ?!?!?
I used to be a narrator for bad mimes. (wright)
Hey, thats our DDoS code you used! wait... nevermind...
...a commercial entity such as Microsoft sicking the BSA on you for an audit.
Some time after midnight tonite, our network was hit with another large scale port 1434 DOS attack. The admin is concerned that there may be another new vulnerability in MS SQL Server. This attack saturated two T3s. People should be aware there may be another vulnerability in Microsoft OSes that is recently being exploited.
The fact is, this was probably the result of some kid with a DDOS kit and a DSL line. We have courts for a reason, and it's specifically so we DON'T have to go "vigilante style" on every crackpot corp that decides that it deserves a cut of someone elses pie.
It's been a long time.
It does NOT generate any sympathy for Linux users, and it harms ViaWest and other ISPs.
How can I volunteer my CPU cycles and bandwidth for this distributed computing project?
Nothing to see here; Move along.
There is a limit to how stupid people really are -- just as there's a limit to the amount of hydrogen in the Universe. There's a lot, but there's a limit.
For every stupidity, there is an equal and opposite stupidity.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Who said a bunch of "open source/Linux crusaders" are responsible? I sure as hell didn't see a thread on LK titled "SCO Attack scheduled for next Sunday".
Maybe this is the new way of making business, who has the energy to go throught booring law suits?
Let's just settle it on the "street".
Like the mobs at Morpheus did when Kazaa decided to cut them out from their network. They didn't have the money to sue them so they launched a DDoS attack and made their website unaccessable for a couple of days.
Why not just spam their forums until they have to take them down temorarily? Or post the SCO E-mail addresses on the front page of Debian?
(I am neutral on the Firebird name dispute. This comment, in all seriousness, was intended to be funny, and not a troll/flamebait. Do not reply if you are going to make some unwitty half-assed barbed remark.)
I am anti-linux and pro-BSD for no other reason than the fact that I can't stand the brutal attitude shown by a majority of linux users.
That happens when any movement gets big enough. If BSD got as big as linux, guaranteed you'd see this same bullshit happening with BSD people. Was Linux always like this? Not that I know of.
Note: I'm not apologizing. I can't stand the herd any more than you can, but you can preach free software and install Linux or BSD or whatever when someone asks to see it. The base is "free software", and everything else is there to fulfill that base.
Let me guess: you don't care and I can go fuck myself. Doesn't break my heart -- I like to be proven right.
Let BSD get this big, and it will break your heart. You want something to be big? Have to accept the herd at some point.
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King, do not put yourself between us and the truth, you'll get STEAMROLLED- step aside King!!!
M. Al-Sahaf
Actually BSD is over 3x bigger movement than Linux, thanks to Mac OS X.h tml
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/24060.
I liked the "community" revenge very much, who needs stupid laws when we can act like the Cosa Nostra of free software?
-- free software from the top of xiaodong mountain
TWW
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
I generally like linux users (but not everybody), hell I'm one of them. But then again everyone has it's own peace and own ways to deal with his life. As for BSD, well real BSD yes, MOX-(Net)BSD no, they're way too pushy for my taste.
Politics, well, as much as I hate to admit, yes it's vital for free system to grow to masses.
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HA!HA!
All this really does is prove how childish and immature and lame and pathetic the linux community is.. well its not exactly news is it.. fu*k windows..but above all : FU*K LINUX.. !
People do it because there isn't a single thing a person can do when they are slandered by a large company and SCO slandered the entire community. SCO should have expected to get hit back and they did but they didn't get hit very hard.
.10/share in 6 months, the volume would spook every investment banker holding the sock and the resulting dump would cause SCO to die the slow death of delisting.
Now if a thousand Linux fans called a broker and asked to buy options on SCOX for say
I've been tring to get source out of 3com for a while since they stole GNU code I've contributed patches for. What can I do about it? Nothing, my name isn't on the copyright. If it was, their ISP would have gotten a DMCA section 210 letter and forced to shut them down till something could be worked out (ie. they put up the source) but as it is now, I can't do that. Maybe one of these days I can convince the holder to send one it.
Right now its clear that its trivial to grab GNU code and do anything you want with it and there is little or no risk to a company.
Last week I got a call from a jerk at Verisign.au who was slandering OpenSSL and SSLeay. He didn't know that they didn't compete with their cert program. That stupidity is going to cause me to take my business elsewhere but thats all that will come from it. What do the people who work on openSSL get out of it? A large "Trustable" company saying bad stuff them.
There is a point where people will decide they have taken enough crap from a company. Its in a companies best interest not to get to that point.
Uhm... 154Mbit can't even be DDoS.. I've personally been attacked harder than that..
DDoS is often done through thousands of slave servers controlled centrally...
gigabits of bandwidth is absolutely no problem for a proper DDoS..
And...if 150Mbit can take the whole isp down.. (wtf, change isp!)
Yep, that's the one! thanks.
They've expanded a bit and now offer a premium service, the "poopoo platter".
You get an extra plump Grande mess and USPS delivery confirmation for only $35.00
At first I couldn't understand why you would need/want delivery confirmation. But, if your evil plot to get even includes other elements* that must be time-coordinated, you might want to know when the gift has been delivered.
*like an anonymous phone call (or seventy) asking if the target enjoyed his/her snack.
There is much cruelty in the universe, John.
Yeah, we seem to have the tour map.
I think SCO will use this to their benifit. SCO which is partly owned by M$ is trying to damage Linux. M$ that cannot technically defeat Linux is using SCO to get after Linux. I think best is let SCO show the code . I wonder if we could find the same thing in Windoze source code too. M$ copied lot of UNIX code into windoze.
It really annoys me how easy it is to do DDoS. TCP makes it too easy to spoof your origin address, and it's so sad that the new protocol, IPv6, won't help much to prevent more DDoSs this from happening.
- Marco
That's just stupid talk.
--> a bunch of adolescent boys <--
OMG!!!!! You have discovered the Secret of Slashdot!!!
I remeber when a friend of mine thought that a DOS attack had something with the OS DOS to do. I wounder what he thought. Sending lots of boot floppies with DOS to SCO or even worse. Braking in and installing dos on their servers :)
:)
Anyway i think people should stop with this kinds of things. It is only hurting linux if people act childish just because SCO doesnt understand that linux is a great project that doesnt need any other os's source code
As much as I dislike SCO, I have to wonder if this was actually a *bad* move. Couldn't SCO try to work this into its case as some sort of 'FUD' to try to make it look like IBM was somehow responsible, or that Linux users -- who already "stole" their code -- are now attacking them?
I hate SCO. But I'd hate even more if SCO could somehow spin this to help their case.
________________________________________________
suwain_2
What kind of crackheaded nonsense is that? If it's IBM's property they have every right to do whatever they want with it. I thought the whole point of this suit was that it's SCO's property.
However, if there is any SCO property in the SCO Linux kernel, they've still released it to the world - including IBM - because the GPL says that anyone can use it in their own GPLed code.
And - get this - the GPL says that if you cannot distribute GPL code because it would conflict with some other contract, then you must not distribute it at all.
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as in - we should be celebrating him in our finest halls and with our finest wine. That is what they deserve.
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There was a real need, and the big memory companies were simply not nimble enought to get the job done. A small research shop can be effective in this sense. Billion dollar chip fabs are not required to be a legitimate business.
This is not to defend Dr. DOS or Intergraph.
"All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
...if IBM decides to bite back. I'm sure they'll have no trouble finding enough of their own IP that SCO's trodden on to so arrange that the likely settlement value of the resulting lawsuit(s) significantly exceeds SCO's current nett worth. That kind of lawsuit is not something SCO can duck by selling their own overblown IP. And yes, it will be circular saw time for their office carpet within minutes of IBM's action becoming public knowledge. (-:
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
You'd be foolish not to expect something bad to happen to you. It's quite natural really. The more people you wrong, the greater your odds of facing harsh retaliation, because you have increased your chances of offending someone who has no fear of the law.
It's simple cause and effect. Be an asshole = vengeance. Police even tell you that while the vengeance act is wrong, you might want to consider not being a dickhead.
They should be thankful that they haven't been mailbombed like Alan Ralsky, that living-large spammer who gloated about how much money he was making filling inboxes with trash. I'm suprised that's the worst thing that to have happened to him.
If I were SCO I'd drop the lawsuit and STFU, it sounds like it'll only get worse.
I assume you have proof to back up your accusation that the open source community is responsible for the DDoS?
No, Caldera did not make anywhere *near* 4 billion in their MS settlement -- it was about $150 million. Not pocket change, but nowhere near what you're claiming.
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Also, the majority of the investments came from upper-level management, not the board of directors.
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No, I'm not putting down the justice system. I just think illegal tactics shouldn't be used, and DDoSing in all it's forms is wrong. Think about it...What if the RIAA suddenly decided "Oh, it's ok to use DDoS attacks" and convinced people around the world to willingly use their computers as zombies, and attack various people sharing mp3s.
However, I must admit I was expecting this a little earlier. I just hope SCO wasn't hoping they'd get DDoSed. You'd have to be fairly stupid to not expect a DDoS attack.
Allowing access? Hell, the little "Linux enthusiasts" in their OpenLinux division *DDoSed* their website! I'd say that there's more than a little material for lawsuits! :-)
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Sun isn't broke, they have plenty more money than SCO. Just because Sun doesn't sell as many machines as Dell doesn't mean Sun is broke.
is THAT what that button does??
A year spent in artificial intelligence is enough to make one believe in God.
You tell him Bob!
It's quite simple - because they use the Internet to commuicate.
Can't be true, as there is nothing in current sysvinit tools written by IBM.
The sysvinit tools used in current Linux distros are written by Miquel van Smoorenburg. Besides, the first comments in ChangeLog are from 1992 and for Minix.
Maybe SCO should sue themself for leaking "Trade secrets" in their sysvinit man pages from 1992? Reading the changelog makes it pretty obvious that Miguel read the man pages to make his sysvinit clone to match the original in functionality - If he would have stolen the original code, he would not have had to made compatibility fixes.
The SCO lawyers seem to have forgotten, that SCO was considered crap before Linux grew big. They distributed sysv code to universities ages ago and now think that sysv is their trade secret? This lawsuit is purely amusing..
signatures pending - ansa@kos.to - (dont mail there)
Your wrong! This is the correct course of action. Didn't you watch 'Hackers' the instructional video for young programmers and computer nerds?
The above is not worth reading.
I'll never understand this way of thinking.. A good product will always attact good and bad people in mass.. Let's just imagine for second that everyone listened to the BSD advocates, and switched to BSD. Where are you going to turn when the idiots follow again? Is there some section in the BSD license that makes it impossible for the kiddies to use it or something?
How are you going to prevent people you don't like from using something that is useful? More imporantly, why do you even care who else uses your software? After all, it is your software.
Actually, it is valid reasoning. Linux is based on the community aspect of it. If you need help, you go online and find it. Be it IRC, or newsgroups, or message boards. If it is overrun by dumbasses using leetspeak, bragging about "their" OS and how much Micro$oft 5uXX0r5, then some people (especially businesses) will definitely be turned off. I know I am turned off by those people, but I still choose to use it. Not everyone would come to that same conclusion.
If the community is one of Linux's strengths, it is also one of its weaknesses.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
Who cares about SCO, IBM and Linux? We always have the *BSD's to fall back on...
Sure, make the Linux/open source community look like a bunch of hackers (ergo terrorists) in the face of the mainstream. When other businesses consider using Linux, they'll consider the risk of being DDoS'ed by a bunch of pissed off lamers. Way to go -- this really helps.
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Thank you for a well written post. We don't see enough of them.
..do you?
ViaWest's principle connection into Utah is an OC3, at 155 megabits. If the DDOS was using 100 t1's worth (the full 155 megabits), then all of their other customers were also being effectively DDOS'd.
The other 10% that they mention are a couple of local t1's that ViaWest has in case of backup. Certainly not enough to supply data to all of their data center and other customers if their primary connection went down.
ViaWest DOES have a pretty good network for their size. I've been in their data center on a fast ethernet segment, and on a single download from Microsoft.com, had a sustained transfer rate of over 10 megaBYTES per second, nearly the entire 100 megabits! Getting that sort of bandwidth from a single download, from a site hosted several states away on a different network, is pretty darn decent.
steve
Oh, you're not stuck, you're just unable to let go of the onion rings.
Any minor advantage bsd might have is negated by the whole gay-ass way bsd zealots act. (all 20 or so of them)
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.... or apologize for your defamatory comments.
The immense majority of Linuz and OSS advocates know what is ethical, moral and legal, so unless you know something we don't, we should assume you are talking out of hate against a succesful, although vociferous, group of people.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
What about it was someboy unrelated with Linux. (insert conspiracy theory here).
Or do you know something we don;t?
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
If you know that people linked to Linux are doing this then give names.
Otherwise stop assuming so much.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Think, write, think, edit, think...then post.
What the fuck are you trying to say?
Why is it so widely deployed?
Wow, it's a small world. I still have the source you wrote a few years ago that would put a clock in the corner of the TI-86. Too bad nothing is going on with the ACZ anymore.
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especially if you compare margins on hardware
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I think that we should all learn as much about the SCO product before criticizing it. I suggest calling their toll-free sales number to find out as much as you can about their fine product. Tell all your friends about this cool product, and tell them to call too. Study the marketing materials, and call them if you have questions. Don't worry if the number is busy, just keep trying. SCO has a great marketing organization. Let them know that their marketing message is getting out by calling and calling. 1-888-465-4689
For years they've been trying to shake the "Linux is just for 15-year-old-script-kiddies-in-moms-basement" image, but then they go and pull a stunt like this and set their PR image back 2 years.
Prevent linux based DDOS's!
http://linux.denialofservice.org/
the term "mo' money mo' problems" comes to mind. however in this case it will have to be interpreted in 2 ways: (1) Linux is starting to make mo' money, so it will encounter mo' problems. (2) SCO is in desperate need of mo' money, so it will create mo' problems (for themselves and the rest of the world).
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'I don't know what, they want from me
It's like the more money we come across, the more problems we see'
You need people like me so you can point your fuckin fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." So what that make you? Good?
And so are the people who run it. You bunch of little kids.
Why is it so widely deployed?
Because there isn't a good free alternative. I hope to change that soon.
great. we need more people like you. if more people asked that very question, we would all be better off. cnn.com - wtf are they trying to say? wtf are they doing to me? why?!
anyways i suspect it's repressed sexual tension, resentement, and a combination of starvation and burnout.
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i was kind of caught between not-having-enough-to-eat and exhaustion.
i suppose to sum it up would be that i suspect this is a plot to try to milk free-software/open-source of money it really cannot afford to lose, therefor threatening it..which in turn threatens the umbrella philosophies such as gnu/gpl/whathaveyou...and while these philosophies are not exactly pragmatic[in my opinion] they are better : we don't need them to work, we only need to try to make them work... i'm not sure if i want to get into *that* though right now...mabye i will later...
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