It all began with the death of table service. Was a time when the waiter would kindly ask people if they wanted another coffee or a snack at regular intervals.. if the customer refused, say, 3 times, the waiter would ask them to either order something or leave - this isn't a library.
But hey, that was back when your coffee didn't come in a paper cup.
or, maybe, just maybe, what you call "silencing critics" they rightfully consider "slander" or "libel" or "religious bigotry" and that's why they sue people who say these things for slander or libel and make sure they "show everyone" that the people who say these things are religious bigots. Seriously, half the people I have replied to here today are 100% convinced that CoS is not a church and don't mind telling people such. The CoS is legally recognized as a church.. handing out leaflets saying it isn't is libel. Most of the reasons put forward for why the CoS isn't a church are of the form "they do X, and other churches don't." Which is basic religious bigotry. And, ultimately, unless one of your family members has become a member, it's none of your god damn business. Live and let live.
Heh, when I say "crimes" I'm talking about the claims that people have been *killed* for dissin' the curch. Yet, for some reason, there's no murder trials on the 6 o'clock news, just a bunch a crazies on the internet.
Look at the thread history dude, I never said that. What I said was "went to churches" and you misread it or something.. then you took your own mistake as fact. Kinda makes me think many of your objections to the CoS are similarly poor.
Heh, dude, if I was a member of the CoS would I be saying they're all a bunch of crazy fucktards? Seriously?
It's not "an emotionally charged topic that has nothing to do with this".. it's exactly the topic. You have it in for these people and want to persecute them. Anyone who suggests that maybe you should just leave them the hell alone, you claim must be one of them, or an employee, or a friend, or whatever. The ideal of people being free to pursue whatever stupid religion they like is the issue here. Just because you don't like one particular religion doesn't change that.
This doesn't mean that their message is any less true, though. And again, we get back to the point, WHAT IS THEIR MESSAGE?
Other than "we don't like Scientology and here's a whole bunch of accusations that we can't prove and ha ha, you can't sue us for slander because we're anonymous!!"
The assertions of Anonymous are simple: that the Church of Scientology is harmful to its members (giving specific instances of those who have been harmed or killed by the Church); that these instances should be investigated; and that it should not have tax exemption. If there are crimes being committed, then tell the police. There is no need to protest to get the police to take an interest in crime. If, on the other hand, there is no evidence to support these accusations, then you're just engaging in slander.
I would question, though, why it is that you're defending them so carefully--it's very rare to find someone online defending scientology who is not themselves a member. I was waiting for it! I also must be black because I think blacks should have equal rights. I must be female because I think they should be able to vote. I must be Christian because I think they should be free to practice their stupid religion. I must be gay because I think the sexual activities of consenting adults is none of my business. I must be a skydiver because I think people should be free to practice dangerous sports. And yes, obviously, I must be criminal because I think everyone has a right to due process.
8000 people around the world went to churches wearing masks dude. They wore these masks so they couldn't be identified and sued for slandering the church. Sure, they didn't set and crosses on fire, but give it time. This is the beginning of the slippery slope. And for what? To give the church more evidence that they are being persecuted?
I don't know what the assertions of Anonymous *are*. They seem to have no message except "we don't like it."
the known tactics of the Church of Scientology: to attack, by any means necessary, anyone who brings attention to their shady past. What means exactly? Far as I'm aware none of these "any means necessary" include breaking the law.
Every time I hear these accusations against the CoS I wonder how old the people making them are. If you slander or libel them, why are you surprised when they sue you for slander or libel. If you claim you are "telling the truth" then just calmly show up to court with your evidence and win the case.
It does not take any imagination at all to determine what the CoS is likely to do with this information. Of course, we encourage you to imagine the worst.
You can't "outspend" the district attorney ok? You're claiming that crimes are being committed. Where's your evidence? How is the general public supposed to tell the difference between bullshit claims made by hate-mongers and the truth if you don't even have evidence?
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It all began with the death of table service. Was a time when the waiter would kindly ask people if they wanted another coffee or a snack at regular intervals.. if the customer refused, say, 3 times, the waiter would ask them to either order something or leave - this isn't a library.
But hey, that was back when your coffee didn't come in a paper cup.
or, maybe, just maybe, what you call "silencing critics" they rightfully consider "slander" or "libel" or "religious bigotry" and that's why they sue people who say these things for slander or libel and make sure they "show everyone" that the people who say these things are religious bigots. Seriously, half the people I have replied to here today are 100% convinced that CoS is not a church and don't mind telling people such. The CoS is legally recognized as a church.. handing out leaflets saying it isn't is libel. Most of the reasons put forward for why the CoS isn't a church are of the form "they do X, and other churches don't." Which is basic religious bigotry. And, ultimately, unless one of your family members has become a member, it's none of your god damn business. Live and let live.
Heh, when I say "crimes" I'm talking about the claims that people have been *killed* for dissin' the curch. Yet, for some reason, there's no murder trials on the 6 o'clock news, just a bunch a crazies on the internet.
You're a retard. Plain and simple.
Now kindly fuck off. Seriously, Slashdot needs a kill list feature.
Look at the thread history dude, I never said that. What I said was "went to churches" and you misread it or something.. then you took your own mistake as fact. Kinda makes me think many of your objections to the CoS are similarly poor.
How you claim she was treated and for which the police found no evidence?
Heh, dude, if I was a member of the CoS would I be saying they're all a bunch of crazy fucktards? Seriously?
It's not "an emotionally charged topic that has nothing to do with this".. it's exactly the topic. You have it in for these people and want to persecute them. Anyone who suggests that maybe you should just leave them the hell alone, you claim must be one of them, or an employee, or a friend, or whatever. The ideal of people being free to pursue whatever stupid religion they like is the issue here. Just because you don't like one particular religion doesn't change that.
So you actually want Scientology "killed off". Wow, no wonder you people get yourselves sued.
Oh, and thanks for calling me a nigger lover.
If this were the 60s, you'd be calling me a nigger lover.
Grow up.
You say you know what their message was.. can you reiterate it here? Cause I still don't know what it was.. other than "CoS, we don't like you."
Cool, can we get rid of all the other religions too?
You can't just claim you are right and put it up on the scoreboard. You actually have to make an argument and so far you've failed to do that.
I'll say it one more time:
If there are crimes being committed, tell the police.
1. Lisa dies
2. Charges are brought against those who are suspected of being responsible
3. The charges are dismissed
4. People "protest"
Sounds like a complete lack of a respect for the law.. aka the mob mentality.
Other than "we don't like Scientology and here's a whole bunch of accusations that we can't prove and ha ha, you can't sue us for slander because we're anonymous!!"
Seriously, I'm asking you.
The engineering of rockets is so far behind where it could be because of national security issues.
huh? What the hell are you talking about exactly?
8000 people around the world went to churches wearing masks dude. They wore these masks so they couldn't be identified and sued for slandering the church. Sure, they didn't set and crosses on fire, but give it time. This is the beginning of the slippery slope. And for what? To give the church more evidence that they are being persecuted?
Umm.. no, you don't. "Protesting a crime" is a nonsense way of saying "forming a mob". If a crime has been committed, report it to the police.
Every time I hear these accusations against the CoS I wonder how old the people making them are. If you slander or libel them, why are you surprised when they sue you for slander or libel. If you claim you are "telling the truth" then just calmly show up to court with your evidence and win the case.
Heh, you are aware that the definition you just posted defines "protest" to mean "protest".
You can't "outspend" the district attorney ok? You're claiming that crimes are being committed. Where's your evidence? How is the general public supposed to tell the difference between bullshit claims made by hate-mongers and the truth if you don't even have evidence?