Umm.. they are releasing specs etc, so people can write drivers. All those stupid arguments about patents were based on speculation and are now known to be false because NVIDIA and ATI are now doing the stuff that before they wouldn't and the sky hasn't fallen.
Linus has outlined a number of possibilities, a lot more favorable than you are suggesting, but yes, there is no motivation at the current time to change the license.
But that wasn't the point of my post.. the point of my post was to stop the meme that the license can't be changed. It can. Or, at least, Linus has said it can, and that should be good enough, cause if he thinks it can be changed and there is a reason to change it, then he will, and we'll be having a different discussion.
Long answer: if NVIDIA ever makes open source drivers, they will almost definitely be kernel space drivers. Apparently this is in the works, same with ATI, but I'll believe it when it happens. It would be possible for some bored hacker to take the NVIDIA binary blobs and make a userspace driver from them. This driver could be legally distributed with the NVIDIA binary blobs (probably). And yes, this would mean that recompiling the drivers for a new kernel would not be necessary.. and it would also mean that the kernel wouldn't be "tainted" by using this driver (maybe).
I, personally, think the stability and security advantages of running binary blobs in userspace drivers outweighs the possible performance hit (no-one has measured the performance hit, yet), so it's a good idea. But, ya know, I've got some other stuff to do...
Well we *were* talking about KOffice, which is a suite of applications. If you only want kword it is:
sudo apt-get install kword Password: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following extra packages will be installed:
kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kexi koffice-data koffice-libs kspread kword-data
libarts1c2a libavahi-qt3-1 libopenexr2c2a libruby1.8 libwv2-1c2 Suggested packages:
fam khelpcenter koffice-doc-html wordnet tetex-extra Recommended packages:
perl-suid openoffice.org-mimelnk kghostview latex-xft-fonts ruby libkscan1
libarts1-akode The following NEW packages will be installed:
kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kexi koffice-data koffice-libs kspread kword
kword-data libarts1c2a libavahi-qt3-1 libopenexr2c2a libruby1.8 libwv2-1c2 0 upgraded, 13 newly installed, 0 to remove and 114 not upgraded. Need to get 34.2MB of archives. After unpacking 110MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n Abort.
Dude, if you actually read the kernel mailing list you would know that Linus has said that he can change the license whenever he wants. All he has to do is post a notice to the list, and add the same notice to the license file specifying a date when the license will switch over. Anyone who doesn't agree will have an opportunity to opt-out, at which point their code will be pulled out and rewritten, or opt-in. The ones that don't do either can be assumed to opt-in until such time as they complain.
This has been done before.. with the syscall interface exception.
What do you need a sound daemon for an office package for?
That should be optional. Same with the network discovery crap.
I don't even *know* what the EXR image format is..
PDF support, yes, fair enough.
Ruby seems like a strange choice for a scripting language for an office package, but ok.
And yes, obviously you want the Word document support.
Considering the size of things like OpenOffice and Microsoft Office, I'd say that's not too bad. But it's not good either.
A law that gives a single person power over every other person in society, and requires a police force that can come into your home to enforce it.. really, it's not a hard sell to show it is unjust. The problem is that the court simply won't allow this kind of debate about the law to go on in the court room. Anything that isn't related to the evidence is disallowed.
It's interesting that a judge would have to recuse himself if he was unqualified to understand the evidence being presented, but a member of the jury isn't.
What she did is wrong. Wooooo... nice attempt to slip that in there. But the fact that an unjust law says you're not allowed to do something does not mean you are doing something "wrong" by ignoring that law. In fact, I say exactly the opposite. By ignoring an unjust law she was doing something *right*.
And that's the defense she should have presented to the jury. They felt she was trying to trick them with technicalities.
Hmm.. seems kind of silly to demand a jury and then try to make a highly technical defense. Juries are swayed by fantasy tale interpretations of events. "She did it" is all they are interested in. They're not interested whether or not the prosecution has sufficiently proven their case. It would seem that, for this kind of defense, you're better off waiving your right to a jury trial. The judge will be a lot more interested in your technical questioning of the evidence.
Umm, so? My point is that KOffice most likely doesn't need all that stuff, it's just a granularity issue. The kde libs need to be broken up.. as do basically any library that gets over 5 or 10 meg.
sudo apt-get install koffice Password: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following extra packages will be installed:
karbon kchart kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kexi kformula kivio kivio-data
koffice-data koffice-libs koshell kplato kpresenter kpresenter-data krita
krita-data kspread kthesaurus kugar kword kword-data libarts1c2a
libavahi-qt3-1 libopenexr2c2a libpoppler1 libpoppler1-glib libpoppler1-qt
libruby1.8 libwv2-1c2 Suggested packages:
khelpcenter koffice-doc-html fam koffice-i18n koffice-dev koffice-doc
wordnet tetex-extra Recommended packages:
perl-suid openoffice.org-mimelnk kghostview latex-xft-fonts ruby libkscan1
libarts1-akode The following NEW packages will be installed:
karbon kchart kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kexi kformula kivio kivio-data
koffice koffice-data koffice-libs koshell kplato kpresenter kpresenter-data
krita krita-data kspread kthesaurus kugar kword kword-data libarts1c2a
libavahi-qt3-1 libopenexr2c2a libpoppler1-qt libruby1.8 libwv2-1c2 The following packages will be upgraded:
libpoppler1 libpoppler1-glib 2 upgraded, 28 newly installed, 0 to remove and 112 not upgraded. Need to get 76.7MB of archives. After unpacking 187MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n Abort.
Eolas actually told them what patent they were supposedly infringing.
Anyway, let it be said *again*. If you pay Microsoft, or anyone, for a license to "unspecified patents" then you are an *idiot* and I hope you get sued by your share holders.
Evolution is about the combination of genetic mutation and culture. The two work hand in hand. The practices of people activate this area of the brain and cause the sensations described. Those same practices encourage the excess of procreation that we know all too well from religion today. As such, any mutation which facilitates the practice will be favored. Religious experience gets stronger and stronger, the practice gets more and more sacred and people have more and more offspring.
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (1989). The point being, God doesn't need an interface in your brain to talk to you. He's all powerful right? He can modify your brain so you experience anything He wants. In fact, doesn't he have an even more direct means to communicate directly to your soul? It's just absurd to suggest that God needs some physical area of the brain to communicate with us. And, so, one has to ask, what does God need with a star ship?
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Umm.. they are releasing specs etc, so people can write drivers. All those stupid arguments about patents were based on speculation and are now known to be false because NVIDIA and ATI are now doing the stuff that before they wouldn't and the sky hasn't fallen.
Dude, it's what Linus said. You think he is wrong, go tell him.
huh? I'm not implying anything.
I'm just saying that ZeekWatson is wrong.
No-one, who counts, has said that the Linux kernel will NEVER be GPLv3.
Linus has outlined a number of possibilities, a lot more favorable than you are suggesting, but yes, there is no motivation at the current time to change the license.
But that wasn't the point of my post.. the point of my post was to stop the meme that the license can't be changed. It can. Or, at least, Linus has said it can, and that should be good enough, cause if he thinks it can be changed and there is a reason to change it, then he will, and we'll be having a different discussion.
Short answer: no.
Long answer: if NVIDIA ever makes open source drivers, they will almost definitely be kernel space drivers. Apparently this is in the works, same with ATI, but I'll believe it when it happens. It would be possible for some bored hacker to take the NVIDIA binary blobs and make a userspace driver from them. This driver could be legally distributed with the NVIDIA binary blobs (probably). And yes, this would mean that recompiling the drivers for a new kernel would not be necessary.. and it would also mean that the kernel wouldn't be "tainted" by using this driver (maybe).
I, personally, think the stability and security advantages of running binary blobs in userspace drivers outweighs the possible performance hit (no-one has measured the performance hit, yet), so it's a good idea. But, ya know, I've got some other stuff to do...
Well we *were* talking about KOffice, which is a suite of applications. If you only want kword it is:
sudo apt-get install kword
Password:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kexi koffice-data koffice-libs kspread kword-data
libarts1c2a libavahi-qt3-1 libopenexr2c2a libruby1.8 libwv2-1c2
Suggested packages:
fam khelpcenter koffice-doc-html wordnet tetex-extra
Recommended packages:
perl-suid openoffice.org-mimelnk kghostview latex-xft-fonts ruby libkscan1
libarts1-akode
The following NEW packages will be installed:
kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kexi koffice-data koffice-libs kspread kword
kword-data libarts1c2a libavahi-qt3-1 libopenexr2c2a libruby1.8 libwv2-1c2
0 upgraded, 13 newly installed, 0 to remove and 114 not upgraded.
Need to get 34.2MB of archives.
After unpacking 110MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n
Abort.
Dude, if you actually read the kernel mailing list you would know that Linus has said that he can change the license whenever he wants. All he has to do is post a notice to the list, and add the same notice to the license file specifying a date when the license will switch over. Anyone who doesn't agree will have an opportunity to opt-out, at which point their code will be pulled out and rewritten, or opt-in. The ones that don't do either can be assumed to opt-in until such time as they complain.
This has been done before.. with the syscall interface exception.
Stop repeating myths and do some research.
Unless Solaris is released under the GPLv3 and Linus sees some stuff he wants.
Really, he said that.
That should be optional. Same with the network discovery crap.
I don't even *know* what the EXR image format is..
PDF support, yes, fair enough.
Ruby seems like a strange choice for a scripting language for an office package, but ok.
And yes, obviously you want the Word document support. Considering the size of things like OpenOffice and Microsoft Office, I'd say that's not too bad. But it's not good either.
A law that gives a single person power over every other person in society, and requires a police force that can come into your home to enforce it.. really, it's not a hard sell to show it is unjust. The problem is that the court simply won't allow this kind of debate about the law to go on in the court room. Anything that isn't related to the evidence is disallowed.
It's interesting that a judge would have to recuse himself if he was unqualified to understand the evidence being presented, but a member of the jury isn't.
And that's the defense she should have presented to the jury. They felt she was trying to trick them with technicalities.
Why? I'd rather compare it to the best possible.
It's called the gold standard, and I wish more people would learn it.
Hmm.. seems kind of silly to demand a jury and then try to make a highly technical defense. Juries are swayed by fantasy tale interpretations of events. "She did it" is all they are interested in. They're not interested whether or not the prosecution has sufficiently proven their case. It would seem that, for this kind of defense, you're better off waiving your right to a jury trial. The judge will be a lot more interested in your technical questioning of the evidence.
Guilty?
It wasn't a criminal trial. What are you talking about?
Umm, so? My point is that KOffice most likely doesn't need all that stuff, it's just a granularity issue. The kde libs need to be broken up.. as do basically any library that gets over 5 or 10 meg.
You're not kidding:
sudo apt-get install koffice
Password:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
karbon kchart kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kexi kformula kivio kivio-data
koffice-data koffice-libs koshell kplato kpresenter kpresenter-data krita
krita-data kspread kthesaurus kugar kword kword-data libarts1c2a
libavahi-qt3-1 libopenexr2c2a libpoppler1 libpoppler1-glib libpoppler1-qt
libruby1.8 libwv2-1c2
Suggested packages:
khelpcenter koffice-doc-html fam koffice-i18n koffice-dev koffice-doc
wordnet tetex-extra
Recommended packages:
perl-suid openoffice.org-mimelnk kghostview latex-xft-fonts ruby libkscan1
libarts1-akode
The following NEW packages will be installed:
karbon kchart kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kexi kformula kivio kivio-data
koffice koffice-data koffice-libs koshell kplato kpresenter kpresenter-data
krita krita-data kspread kthesaurus kugar kword kword-data libarts1c2a
libavahi-qt3-1 libopenexr2c2a libpoppler1-qt libruby1.8 libwv2-1c2
The following packages will be upgraded:
libpoppler1 libpoppler1-glib
2 upgraded, 28 newly installed, 0 to remove and 112 not upgraded.
Need to get 76.7MB of archives.
After unpacking 187MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n
Abort.
The point of the "open source" movement is to improve the way software is developed by opening it up and distributing it.
The point of the "free software" movement is to ensure that software is freely redistributable, and modifiable by the users of the software.
As for this "choice" thing you're talking about. That's the function of the market isn't it? Wouldn't just proprietary software give people "choice"?
The AIs are only interested in chance. Just offer them an even game and they won't be able to refuse. Much cheaper than a court case.
I don't watch too much S:AAAB, do I?
And if you're paying with your share holder's money, then you are criminally incompetent.
Eolas actually told them what patent they were supposedly infringing.
Anyway, let it be said *again*. If you pay Microsoft, or anyone, for a license to "unspecified patents" then you are an *idiot* and I hope you get sued by your share holders.
Evolution is about the combination of genetic mutation and culture. The two work hand in hand. The practices of people activate this area of the brain and cause the sensations described. Those same practices encourage the excess of procreation that we know all too well from religion today. As such, any mutation which facilitates the practice will be favored. Religious experience gets stronger and stronger, the practice gets more and more sacred and people have more and more offspring.
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (1989). The point being, God doesn't need an interface in your brain to talk to you. He's all powerful right? He can modify your brain so you experience anything He wants. In fact, doesn't he have an even more direct means to communicate directly to your soul? It's just absurd to suggest that God needs some physical area of the brain to communicate with us. And, so, one has to ask, what does God need with a star ship?