I have no inkling of any such norm. So what you're saying is that you've never tried to take pictures of people without their permission. Get your camera, go outside and start doing it, right now. If you don't get at least one person who says "hey, I don't want my picture taken" then you live in another world to the rest of us.
Video cameras, more so.
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All About Mold: a quick look at our furry friends.
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Stamp Collecting: it's not just for sexually represed teens and old men anymore.
Although I completely agree with you on the matter of "privacy", I do believe there is a social norm which dictates that it is rude to photograph someone without their permission. That's the problem we have with paparazzi, and those annoying "current affairs" shows that go around with their cameras trying to get people on tape telling them to fuck off, as if it somehow exposes their guilt. These people get punched in the face not because of some expectation of privacy, but because they are violating a social norm. Especially when they continue filming after they have been told to stop. If you want a dose of this yourself, go down to the beach and take some pictures.. you'll be quickly approached by men responding to their girlfriend's squeels of "he's taking our picture!" It's just not acceptable behaviour.
I don't disagree, but other people will. Is there any way out of packaging fragmentation lane? Exactly how egregious would RedHat's packaging have to be before people switched to debs? Alternatively, what could possibly get people to switch to rpms?
I remember learning about model checking at university. We did some finite state analysis and looked at how people did more comprehensive, formal analysis (but never did it ourselves). This was 10 years ago. I've never used it in my career. I've never known anyone who's used it. I assume people who work on automotive or aerospace systems must though.
Why isn't there a mass stampede to Erlang or Haskell, languages that address this problem in a serious way? Ummm, because just writing a simple game like tic-tac-toe or Tetris is considered worthy of scientific papers?
People who feel a need to coin terms like Functional Reactive Programming and develop 40 different "frameworks" to shoehorn event processing into a functional environment are the reason why these languages are shunned by people who just want to get work done.
Cause you replied like it was your comment. You butted in on a conversation that I wasn't having with you. And when it became obvious to you that I had mistaken you for the original poster you didn't point it out. And now you're being abusive. So yeah, I'm going to stop talking to you now.
You made the statement:
The basic idea of the copyright owner being the one who decides who gets copies of his work for a limited time is sound. In this you are wrong. The copyright owner receives the exclusive right to make copies, or authorize others to make copies on their behalf. Whether or not your statement is "sound" is dependant upon whether or not it is true and it is not. The copyright owner of The Catcher In The Rye can no more control who gets copies of his work than the prudes who have tried to ban it over the years.
Umm.. you made a copy when you gave it to them.. they made a copy when they gave it back.
The wording of copyright law is what makes no sense. Whenever copyright law talks about "making a copy" the original drafters of that legislation were thinking about people doing work to, say, typeset a printing press. They weren't thinking about the world that we live in today, where making a copy is a part of many automatic processes. That's why they never really felt too bad about regulating it. It wasn't something the average person did.
So, by controlling who gets to make the copies you're not controlling who has copies? Oh wait, YES YOU ARE. Umm, no, you're not. Think. Real. Hard.
You write a book, copyright law gives you control over who makes the copies. You decide Penguin is going to make your copies for you. They give you some money. They sell me some copies. Copyright law does not give you the right to take those books away from me.
Ha! I believe copying whatever the hell we like is a natural right that everyone has.. and copyright is the law that takes that right away from us - apparently for the betterment of society. I don't think it is the choice, but even if it was, I'd rather have more freedom than have more creative works, if that's the choice to be made.
Unfortunately, every time I get on the soap box, a vocal minority comes and calls me names like "pirate".
The basic idea of the copyright owner being the one who decides who gets copies of his work for a limited time is sound. I don't think even a hardened pirate can honestly argue against this. Way to equate people who value freedom over "more creative works" as pirates.
You didn't even get the concept of copyright correct. It's not "who gets copies", it's "who gets to make the copies".
If the bank hangs a sign outside which says "make unlawful copies of your documents and store them here for easy retreival!" then yes, yes they are responsible.
I'd mention some examples from history of when banks have been found responsible for storing things of value which were aquired in dubious ways.. but I don't want to give you reason to invoke Godwin's law.
I can't see how this can possibly be a copyright issue... Umm.. hmm.. maybe, it's because, umm, ya know, you are making a copy, and, err, you don't have the right to do that?
Sheesh. It's pretty obvious how it's a copyright issue. You might like to argue that it is "fair use", which probably doesn't even exist in Japan, or you might like to argue that copyright is an outdated law that does more harm than good these days (yah!) but you can't argue that this isn't a copyright issue, cause it's obvious to everyone that it is.
store some of my music CDs in there Yep, cause that's just like copying them. Exactly the same thing.
Anything less, and my fair use rights are being violated. Maybe the Japanese don't have fair use.. Australia doesn't. It's interesting how fair use law says you're allowed to make one copy for "backup" purposes.. then doesn't really define what that term means. In IT, a backup kept on the same site as the original is hardly a backup at all.
and that's the real message here.. nothing is thrown away in computer science.. we're just too damn young a field to honestly say we've hit a dead end on any particular technology. Anything you can name, people have done work on it in the last 10 years.
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Video cameras, more so.
All About Mold: a quick look at our furry friends.
or
Stamp Collecting: it's not just for sexually represed teens and old men anymore.
Although I completely agree with you on the matter of "privacy", I do believe there is a social norm which dictates that it is rude to photograph someone without their permission. That's the problem we have with paparazzi, and those annoying "current affairs" shows that go around with their cameras trying to get people on tape telling them to fuck off, as if it somehow exposes their guilt. These people get punched in the face not because of some expectation of privacy, but because they are violating a social norm. Especially when they continue filming after they have been told to stop. If you want a dose of this yourself, go down to the beach and take some pictures.. you'll be quickly approached by men responding to their girlfriend's squeels of "he's taking our picture!" It's just not acceptable behaviour.
I don't disagree, but other people will. Is there any way out of packaging fragmentation lane? Exactly how egregious would RedHat's packaging have to be before people switched to debs? Alternatively, what could possibly get people to switch to rpms?
and, it should be added, it solves the problem a hell of a lot better than emulation, virtualization or WINE-like api replacements.
I remember learning about model checking at university. We did some finite state analysis and looked at how people did more comprehensive, formal analysis (but never did it ourselves). This was 10 years ago. I've never used it in my career. I've never known anyone who's used it. I assume people who work on automotive or aerospace systems must though.
People who feel a need to coin terms like Functional Reactive Programming and develop 40 different "frameworks" to shoehorn event processing into a functional environment are the reason why these languages are shunned by people who just want to get work done.
Cause you replied like it was your comment. You butted in on a conversation that I wasn't having with you. And when it became obvious to you that I had mistaken you for the original poster you didn't point it out. And now you're being abusive. So yeah, I'm going to stop talking to you now.
I still don't know what point you think you were refuting.
You're obviously not interested in having a frank discussion, that's what makes you the troll.
Why reply to my post then?
Fuckin' troll.
Umm.. you made a copy when you gave it to them.. they made a copy when they gave it back.
The wording of copyright law is what makes no sense. Whenever copyright law talks about "making a copy" the original drafters of that legislation were thinking about people doing work to, say, typeset a printing press. They weren't thinking about the world that we live in today, where making a copy is a part of many automatic processes. That's why they never really felt too bad about regulating it. It wasn't something the average person did.
Times have changed, the laws should too.
Your right to copy in no way implies forfeit of my right to keep secrets.
You write a book, copyright law gives you control over who makes the copies. You decide Penguin is going to make your copies for you. They give you some money. They sell me some copies. Copyright law does not give you the right to take those books away from me.
Clearly, you are wrong.
On the nonsense charts, you're number 1.
Ha! I believe copying whatever the hell we like is a natural right that everyone has.. and copyright is the law that takes that right away from us - apparently for the betterment of society. I don't think it is the choice, but even if it was, I'd rather have more freedom than have more creative works, if that's the choice to be made.
Unfortunately, every time I get on the soap box, a vocal minority comes and calls me names like "pirate".
You didn't even get the concept of copyright correct. It's not "who gets copies", it's "who gets to make the copies".
Big difference.
They'll invade your country and enslave your people.
Oh wait, they already did that.
The Japanese I mean, not the US.. although......
If the bank hangs a sign outside which says "make unlawful copies of your documents and store them here for easy retreival!" then yes, yes they are responsible.
I'd mention some examples from history of when banks have been found responsible for storing things of value which were aquired in dubious ways.. but I don't want to give you reason to invoke Godwin's law.
Sheesh. It's pretty obvious how it's a copyright issue. You might like to argue that it is "fair use", which probably doesn't even exist in Japan, or you might like to argue that copyright is an outdated law that does more harm than good these days (yah!) but you can't argue that this isn't a copyright issue, cause it's obvious to everyone that it is.
Shifting copyright works? bad.
Animated tentical rape? ok.
You're so right.. you don't need 3 set-top boxes in your studio apartment.
ADSL modem + private network + set-top box.
Must have taken them months to independantly discover this combination.
Cause, just like Mac Software, no-one could be fucked. Mac == no-one cares.
Everyone says they are dead, but they just won't go away!
1. functional programming
2. formal methods
3. prolog
4. LISP
5. Scheme
6. Smalltalk
7. Pascal
8. Tcl/Tk
9. LALR parsing
10. pre-bash shell scripting.
and that's the real message here.. nothing is thrown away in computer science.. we're just too damn young a field to honestly say we've hit a dead end on any particular technology. Anything you can name, people have done work on it in the last 10 years.