If I put you in a room and tell you to answer questions in chinese, when you don't speak a word of chinese, but I give you these nifty books which contain a whole lot of rules that you can follow to translate one chinese character into another chinese character, which result in you producing the right answers, can you, or the room, or you and the room, be considered to "understand" chinese?
Uhh.. who cares about autodetection? You're buying a PC with Linux preinstalled. Dell will give the hardware to Canonical.. they will get their tech monkeys to tweak Ubuntu until it works as best as they can possibly get it to work.. then they'll make a disk image that Dell can put onto their production line.
Or were you just using this story as an opportunity to flog Feisty?
Sha.. as if the Indian who answers your call can spell.
Seriously though. There's some wonderful tricks people do with call centers these days. You call up, enter your serial number or whatever and they put you through to the appropriate support group.. So, say you get Ubuntu on your Dell and go with the Canonical support, you'll get put through to the Canonical call center (also in India) and they'll have an appropriate script to fix your problem and get you off the phone as fast as possible.
It's funny how technical support call centers have become implementations of the chinese room thought experiment.
I just hope Dell offers lots of distributions and gives the option of lots of different Linux support services. That's the great thing about Open Source.. there's an actual market for support services.. you're not stuck with the manufacturer. Dell could become the shop for desktop Linux.
Do you actually know what ex-parte discovery is? Have you looked it up? No. Obviously you haven't. In many states, a judge can authorize due force to gather evidence that is likely to be destroyed if due force is not used. Sometimes the police will do it. Most times, the plantiff will hire private security to do it.
Yes.. in fact, I think it takes a lot more than 3000 deaths to justify the insanity that we have to go through whenever we want to fly. I think the grand total number of deaths due to flying is woefully inadequate to justify the massive concern for "safety" that the airlines are required to exhibit. I think that flying would be more routine and a hell of a lot cheaper if it was more dangerous and people would willingly pay for such a service if only their governments would butt out.
Maybe you should read up on the powers that the RIAA are already using. There's some legal terms in there like ex parte discovery which you might like to look up too. So.. thank you very much for insulting me with absolutely no basis as you clearly don't know what you are talking about.
Oh, and thank you moderators for modding up this asshole just because he's saying what you want to hear.
Maybe, just maybe, 3000 dying a day is acceptable because of the massive public good of swift personal transportation. But you're probably one of those people who thinks nothing can justify accidental deaths, let alone willful killing.
No, what's needed is vertical take off and landing vehicles for that price which don't make insane amounts of noise or vent extremely hot gases in a way that is dangerous to third parties. Without that, you can't replace a car with a plane, assuming that's what you want.. I know it's what I want.
Yep, great.. good for you. I hope you're aware that in any case where you refuse access to evidence or, worse yet, willfully destroy evidence, you are handing a free win to the other side. They'll write on their evidence list:
* Harddrive (1)
and on the first day of trial the judge will say "Your evidence list has a harddrive on it but I see no harddrive in evidence, what are you playing at?" and they will say "Well, your honour, we intended to enter a harddrive into evidence but the defense destroyed it." and the judge will say "Did you willfully destroy this evidence?" and you might say "Yeah man, I have no obligation to help them to make their case!" and the judge will bang his little gravel and immediately find for the other side and you'll be taken into custody for contempt.. and then how disappointed in you will your mother be then, huh?
Jesus, are you stupid or do you just not read what you have linked to?
(a) Criminal Infringement. - Any person who infringes a copyright willfully either -
(1) for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain, or
(2) by the reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180-day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000,
shall be punished as provided under section 2319 of title 18, United States Code. For purposes of this subsection, evidence of reproduction or distribution of a copyrighted work, by itself, shall not be sufficient to establish willful infringement. Oh please, tell us all how the RIAA is going to make the claim that people are sharing music files on the Internet via P2P programs for competitive advantage or private financial gain and address what evidence they could possibly present which would establish willful infringement when, to date, they can't even present evidence that actual reproduction or distribution of the work has occured, let alone that a thousand and eleven such reproductions have occured (at 99c retail each).
Don't you think that the RIAA have already gone to the FBI with their stupid list of file traders and demanded they conduct midnight raids?
Would you prefer it was a criminal matter? The police knock on your door, show you a warrant, take your whole computer and take you downtown for booking. Then, in maybe 2 years time, you go to court with your state appointed lawyer and, if you get off, you might get your obsolete computer back.
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Because their whole business is adding value to "just hardware". If you want just hardware, go buy it direct from Taiwan.
If I put you in a room and tell you to answer questions in chinese, when you don't speak a word of chinese, but I give you these nifty books which contain a whole lot of rules that you can follow to translate one chinese character into another chinese character, which result in you producing the right answers, can you, or the room, or you and the room, be considered to "understand" chinese?
Uhh.. who cares about autodetection? You're buying a PC with Linux preinstalled. Dell will give the hardware to Canonical.. they will get their tech monkeys to tweak Ubuntu until it works as best as they can possibly get it to work.. then they'll make a disk image that Dell can put onto their production line.
Or were you just using this story as an opportunity to flog Feisty?
People know the risks of living in the modern world. If they can't hack it, go live in the freakin' woods or something.
Making emotional arguments like that really doesn't befriend you to a geek audience.
Sha.. as if the Indian who answers your call can spell.
Seriously though. There's some wonderful tricks people do with call centers these days. You call up, enter your serial number or whatever and they put you through to the appropriate support group.. So, say you get Ubuntu on your Dell and go with the Canonical support, you'll get put through to the Canonical call center (also in India) and they'll have an appropriate script to fix your problem and get you off the phone as fast as possible.
It's funny how technical support call centers have become implementations of the chinese room thought experiment.
I just hope Dell offers lots of distributions and gives the option of lots of different Linux support services. That's the great thing about Open Source.. there's an actual market for support services.. you're not stuck with the manufacturer. Dell could become the shop for desktop Linux.
Do you actually know what ex-parte discovery is? Have you looked it up? No. Obviously you haven't. In many states, a judge can authorize due force to gather evidence that is likely to be destroyed if due force is not used. Sometimes the police will do it. Most times, the plantiff will hire private security to do it.
Yes.. in fact, I think it takes a lot more than 3000 deaths to justify the insanity that we have to go through whenever we want to fly. I think the grand total number of deaths due to flying is woefully inadequate to justify the massive concern for "safety" that the airlines are required to exhibit. I think that flying would be more routine and a hell of a lot cheaper if it was more dangerous and people would willingly pay for such a service if only their governments would butt out.
Unnecessarily tall. :)
Maybe you should read up on the powers that the RIAA are already using. There's some legal terms in there like ex parte discovery which you might like to look up too. So.. thank you very much for insulting me with absolutely no basis as you clearly don't know what you are talking about.
Oh, and thank you moderators for modding up this asshole just because he's saying what you want to hear.
Fuckin' Slashdot.
Maybe, just maybe, 3000 dying a day is acceptable because of the massive public good of swift personal transportation. But you're probably one of those people who thinks nothing can justify accidental deaths, let alone willful killing.
No, what's needed is vertical take off and landing vehicles for that price which don't make insane amounts of noise or vent extremely hot gases in a way that is dangerous to third parties. Without that, you can't replace a car with a plane, assuming that's what you want.. I know it's what I want.
Here's an idea, how about you making decisions about what you want to buy and leave me to make decisions about what I want to buy.
Freedom of speech.
We all hate spam, but the lengths to which some people are willing to go to get rid of it is ridiculous.
It's the natural tendancy of some people to fix things that are not broken.. or to search for perfection when "good enough" is already available.
Yep, great.. good for you. I hope you're aware that in any case where you refuse access to evidence or, worse yet, willfully destroy evidence, you are handing a free win to the other side. They'll write on their evidence list:
* Harddrive (1)
and on the first day of trial the judge will say "Your evidence list has a harddrive on it but I see no harddrive in evidence, what are you playing at?" and they will say "Well, your honour, we intended to enter a harddrive into evidence but the defense destroyed it." and the judge will say "Did you willfully destroy this evidence?" and you might say "Yeah man, I have no obligation to help them to make their case!" and the judge will bang his little gravel and immediately find for the other side and you'll be taken into custody for contempt.. and then how disappointed in you will your mother be then, huh?
(1) for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain, or
(2) by the reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180-day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000,
shall be punished as provided under section 2319 of title 18, United States Code. For purposes of this subsection, evidence of reproduction or distribution of a copyrighted work, by itself, shall not be sufficient to establish willful infringement. Oh please, tell us all how the RIAA is going to make the claim that people are sharing music files on the Internet via P2P programs for competitive advantage or private financial gain and address what evidence they could possibly present which would establish willful infringement when, to date, they can't even present evidence that actual reproduction or distribution of the work has occured, let alone that a thousand and eleven such reproductions have occured (at 99c retail each).
Don't you think that the RIAA have already gone to the FBI with their stupid list of file traders and demanded they conduct midnight raids?
Yes, I saw, and I replied... it has NO relevance to the current discussion.
Uh huh. You are not seriously arguing that you should be free to destroy or hide evidence are you?
it costs SOMETHING, as opposed to NOTHING. When you're trying to sue the entire fuckin' world, that's kinda important.
Yeah yeah.. it's irrelevant to the current discussion.
They won't have to pay for the investigation though.. the justice department will.
Would you prefer it was a criminal matter? The police knock on your door, show you a warrant, take your whole computer and take you downtown for booking. Then, in maybe 2 years time, you go to court with your state appointed lawyer and, if you get off, you might get your obsolete computer back.