1. Read my post later down where I do (it's modded +5, how'd you miss it?) 2. You're obviously new to this as you don't appear to understand the dynamics of mutually assured destruction applied to software patents, so stop talking.
Yeah. You're mocking a well established legal principle: if you're gunna lose, settle, cause it's better to pay to get out than it is to set a bad legal precident.
What is so hard for you to comprehend here? Here is what I said, and you quoted:No, but that's not the issue. The issue is that the EFF website doesn't provide a list of cases they have fought and which ones they have won, it only provides a list of victories.The fact that Wikipedia does provide this list is immaterial. The EFF is standing up and saying "look what we have achieved!" by listing their victories. Well they've achieved a heck of a lot more than just their list of victories would suggest. Their list of failures shows us things they have achieved that they didn't intend to. Things like legal precidents.
but wasn't "flow" that minigame which was inspired by the first level of Spore? So wouldn't the "production version" of that game, be, umm, Spore? Or are we not making Spore now?
No, but that's not the issue. The issue is that the EFF website doesn't provide a list of cases they have fought and which ones they have won, it only provides a list of victories. That's just like my uncle (who doesn't exist BTW), you ask him how well he does at the track and he'll give you a long list of his winnings, and casually not mention his losses. So I think the point stands, if you wanna lose your case, get the EFF to help you out.
My uncle wins a fortune at the track. Of course, he's not a rich man, cause he loses more than he wins, but if you just take a look at his list of victories, you'll see his track record is pretty good too.
Yeah, ok, look, I studied these patents for 5 minutes. You probably studied them for 15 minutes. Neither of us are patent lawyers (right?) and neither of us actually looked at any code to see if it violated these patents. Fact is, if Microsoft wanted to make up a list they would put a lot more effort into it and defending against such a list would not be cost effective.
7,143,340 - a patent on the MVC pattern applied to tables in GUI. I know both the Qt and gtk+ toolkits do that. 7,139,894 - that patent covers just about any interprocess communication that transmits "configuration information". 7,131,112 - and here's a patent which covers basically every revision control software ever written (cvs, svn, git, etc)
That's 3 of 5873. Go to this page, enter "Microsoft" into Term 1 and select "Assignee Name" for Field 1 if you wanna see the list.
Heh. Nah, the problem is the reality that it takes a lot of land/food/hard work to adequately care for a pony. Same goes for puppies, but at least you don't find abandoned ponies at the pound.
There is, but they're insanely lame games. Nothing like buying the best computer you can, stocking it out with ram and getting a fast internet connection so you can play games that are worse than board games. BTW, what you described is not what most people would call "netsex", but yes, that is what some people find entertaining.
like, ya know, freedom and human rights and such, instead of "ooh, boobs!" We tend to deal with it by doing more good than harm, but in this industry it aint really possible to not also do harm (unless you wanna end up like RMS).
Which is what is so funny, because the source code isn't the crown jewels, it's the great ideas you had that you then embodied into that code. You *could* make a system that would protect that but it would be even more draconian than copyright.
Meh, copyright on source code is pointless too. Here's one of those unspoken ideas: take random open source project that is under a license you don't like. Study it. Once you understand it, think of 20 ways you could improve it. Rewrite it from scratch. How long does it take? Well, ask the OpenBSD team, they've done it half dozen times already. That asshat Darren Reed's ip filter was rewritten in under a week. How the hell can you do that? Well it really aint hard, you just gotta work. Whenever you run into one of those annoying problems that take ages to solve the first time you're writing a piece of software, just look at the original work. So long as you're not copying the text, just the ideas, copyright doesn't apply.
Does this mean a patent system would be better? Hell no. So what then?
I keep reading this. Seriously, I am going to go over to one of the many patent registry websites and search for Microsoft patents and post one or two that Linux violates if you people don't stop parroting this shit. There is absolutely, positively, no doubt that any given Linux distribution violates at least a few of Microsoft's patents. That's the whole freakin' reason why patents on software is a dumb idea. It is also the reason why Microsoft will never enforce their patents as you can say the same thing about Microsoft's products and IBM's patents. STFU about Linux not infringing on Microsoft's patents.
Kinda makes you think that half way through the log you'll see:<DeveloperBob> Look, it's really not a big deal. This is just business stu.. RUN YOU FOOLS, IT'S A TRAP!!! *** DeveloperBob has left IRC <DeveloperSteve> ok, so next question please...They've been taken over by the borg, man.
Uhh, see, most people I know have played SL for a day or two, found it boring and quit. They then asked me why people continue to play it (like I'd know, I only played it for about a year) and so I tell them all the things they may have missed. Netsex is definitely one of the things people don't see in that first two days. Not that I'm saying that is why new players should play or anything, but it is definitely one of the many things that brings players back to it.
Any tips how to do it? Where does it put the tracks? What she was doing was putting in the CD, selecting Import, after the import iTunes doesn't go to where they were imported to. So next she tried making a folder and dragging the tracks into it. iTunes just does nothing.
As for Finder -> Applications -> Safari, yep, that's what I did. She had no idea though.
So the fact that people are willing to pay money for things which have no real world value and only have in-game value because of artifical scarcity is of absolutely no interest to you? Second Life is a vision of the future. It's what the world will look like when 3d printers, nanotech, or a matter operating system are the norm. Assuming, of course, we don't grow out of our current obsession with scarcity.
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1. Read my post later down where I do (it's modded +5, how'd you miss it?)
2. You're obviously new to this as you don't appear to understand the dynamics of mutually assured destruction applied to software patents, so stop talking.
Yeah. You're mocking a well established legal principle: if you're gunna lose, settle, cause it's better to pay to get out than it is to set a bad legal precident.
What is so hard for you to comprehend here? Here is what I said, and you quoted:No, but that's not the issue. The issue is that the EFF website doesn't provide a list of cases they have fought and which ones they have won, it only provides a list of victories.The fact that Wikipedia does provide this list is immaterial. The EFF is standing up and saying "look what we have achieved!" by listing their victories. Well they've achieved a heck of a lot more than just their list of victories would suggest. Their list of failures shows us things they have achieved that they didn't intend to. Things like legal precidents.
but wasn't "flow" that minigame which was inspired by the first level of Spore? So wouldn't the "production version" of that game, be, umm, Spore? Or are we not making Spore now?
Which. Doesn't. Change. The. Point.
Learn. Reading. Comprehension.
No, but that's not the issue. The issue is that the EFF website doesn't provide a list of cases they have fought and which ones they have won, it only provides a list of victories. That's just like my uncle (who doesn't exist BTW), you ask him how well he does at the track and he'll give you a long list of his winnings, and casually not mention his losses. So I think the point stands, if you wanna lose your case, get the EFF to help you out.
My uncle wins a fortune at the track. Of course, he's not a rich man, cause he loses more than he wins, but if you just take a look at his list of victories, you'll see his track record is pretty good too.
The EFF actually won a case? What, did they get new lawyers or something?
Plus, MS has an obligation to inform infringers of violations if they exist.
Where'd ya get that from?
Yeah, ok, look, I studied these patents for 5 minutes. You probably studied them for 15 minutes. Neither of us are patent lawyers (right?) and neither of us actually looked at any code to see if it violated these patents. Fact is, if Microsoft wanted to make up a list they would put a lot more effort into it and defending against such a list would not be cost effective.
Fine. Go here, enter these numbers:
7,143,340 - a patent on the MVC pattern applied to tables in GUI. I know both the Qt and gtk+ toolkits do that.
7,139,894 - that patent covers just about any interprocess communication that transmits "configuration information".
7,131,112 - and here's a patent which covers basically every revision control software ever written (cvs, svn, git, etc)
That's 3 of 5873. Go to this page, enter "Microsoft" into Term 1 and select "Assignee Name" for Field 1 if you wanna see the list.
Enjoy.
Heh. Nah, the problem is the reality that it takes a lot of land/food/hard work to adequately care for a pony. Same goes for puppies, but at least you don't find abandoned ponies at the pound.
not just to skirt the copyright, but primarily because it could be done so much better now than it was in the past.
There is, but they're insanely lame games. Nothing like buying the best computer you can, stocking it out with ram and getting a fast internet connection so you can play games that are worse than board games. BTW, what you described is not what most people would call "netsex", but yes, that is what some people find entertaining.
Yeah, and we could all have a pony if only enough of us had more love to share.
Why do you feel the need to post shit like this? How does it contribute to the conversation? Go away.
like, ya know, freedom and human rights and such, instead of "ooh, boobs!" We tend to deal with it by doing more good than harm, but in this industry it aint really possible to not also do harm (unless you wanna end up like RMS).
Sucks, but its so.
Which is what is so funny, because the source code isn't the crown jewels, it's the great ideas you had that you then embodied into that code. You *could* make a system that would protect that but it would be even more draconian than copyright.
Meh, copyright on source code is pointless too. Here's one of those unspoken ideas: take random open source project that is under a license you don't like. Study it. Once you understand it, think of 20 ways you could improve it. Rewrite it from scratch. How long does it take? Well, ask the OpenBSD team, they've done it half dozen times already. That asshat Darren Reed's ip filter was rewritten in under a week. How the hell can you do that? Well it really aint hard, you just gotta work. Whenever you run into one of those annoying problems that take ages to solve the first time you're writing a piece of software, just look at the original work. So long as you're not copying the text, just the ideas, copyright doesn't apply.
Does this mean a patent system would be better? Hell no. So what then?
I keep reading this. Seriously, I am going to go over to one of the many patent registry websites and search for Microsoft patents and post one or two that Linux violates if you people don't stop parroting this shit. There is absolutely, positively, no doubt that any given Linux distribution violates at least a few of Microsoft's patents. That's the whole freakin' reason why patents on software is a dumb idea. It is also the reason why Microsoft will never enforce their patents as you can say the same thing about Microsoft's products and IBM's patents. STFU about Linux not infringing on Microsoft's patents.
Kinda makes you think that half way through the log you'll see:<DeveloperBob> Look, it's really not a big deal. This is just business stu.. RUN YOU FOOLS, IT'S A TRAP!!!
*** DeveloperBob has left IRC
<DeveloperSteve> ok, so next question please...They've been taken over by the borg, man.
Well there's that. I was more thinking about the covert, "meet a girl at a party" occurances.
Uhh, see, most people I know have played SL for a day or two, found it boring and quit. They then asked me why people continue to play it (like I'd know, I only played it for about a year) and so I tell them all the things they may have missed. Netsex is definitely one of the things people don't see in that first two days. Not that I'm saying that is why new players should play or anything, but it is definitely one of the many things that brings players back to it.
Any tips how to do it? Where does it put the tracks? What she was doing was putting in the CD, selecting Import, after the import iTunes doesn't go to where they were imported to. So next she tried making a folder and dragging the tracks into it. iTunes just does nothing.
As for Finder -> Applications -> Safari, yep, that's what I did. She had no idea though.
So the fact that people are willing to pay money for things which have no real world value and only have in-game value because of artifical scarcity is of absolutely no interest to you? Second Life is a vision of the future. It's what the world will look like when 3d printers, nanotech, or a matter operating system are the norm. Assuming, of course, we don't grow out of our current obsession with scarcity.