GOD DAMN. If they pulled that shit at my kids school I would be knocking on people's doors bearing gifts and organising picket lines. When I was in school the students aranged the strike because they were going to close down grade 12 (the final year) because they didn't have enough students.. we were in our final year so it didn't even effect us but we knew that it would be bad for the school - kids would have to go to some other school to get their final certificate. We protested for days and recruited the teachers to protest with us (after all, they had no-one to teach). In the end it was called off. You can't let this stuff slide man.. you gotta get in there and change things.
but in this situation it is highly unlikely that the seminar is filed with kids. If you were to successfully disable the alarm of the bank and then get in trouble for it you could always call forward a dozen other people from the seminar and have them testify that they believed you had the ok of a representative of the bank. What's more, they could stand there and demand that the reward be paid. But in this situation the classroom is full of kids and our society doesnt give kids the same rights as adults. So when the victim here calls forward a dozen of his school mates and says the teacher said it was ok, he and his class mates are ignored or assumed to be lying. Especially if the teacher disagrees with them. This is a simple case of age descrimination.
I'm 23 years old. If someone asked me to see whether I could get through their trivial little network security program I would not think twice about it. If a lecturer at my university asked me to check their network security, I would do it. And if an admin showed up and started screaming and yelling and saying he was gunna call the cops both me and the lecturer would tell him to piss off. But that didn't happen here.. why? Because he's a 17 year old kid and he has no rights and is shown no respect.
I don't know who's message you were replying to but it wasn't mine. He isn't giving feedback, he is complaining that it doesnt work exactly as he would like and my message was saying that the only way it will do exactly what he wants is if he does it himself. Seems kind of self evident to me. As for the revolutionaries who fight for other people, good on them, but my message said "it reminds me of revolutionaries who just want a society of peace/freedom/equality (take your pick) but have no plan how to get there" which is exactly what this guy wants. He wants the perfect operating system but has no idea what that is or how to make it. Well I'm sorry, neither does anyone else, so until we figure it out, take what you're given.
I'm more than willing to talk to you but at least have the courtesy to read what I type before you reply!
actually it's the first time I've looked at Jon Katz in quite a while.. I don't want to filter him out, just like I don't want to filter out white supremists or christian nuts. Why? Because like it or not they are a part of our world and ignoring them is not going to make them go away. Personally I think JK is annoying but he is also offensive and insensitive and the platform that slashdot continues to give him is undeserved.
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hehe.. that's pretty much what I was thinking! Now imagine that the characters represent files and when you click on them you can rightclick on the recyclebin and they walk over to it and do themselves in and their corpse falls there and rots for a few days. But if you decide that you want that file back you can grab a necromancer and perform a "wake dead" spell on it. Sound stupid? Now you know how I feel everytime I see people try to come up with "virtual reality" desktop interfaces. In a way you can see that it would be possible, but would it be efficient and usable? Not really.
I don't think I'm being unreasonable. All I want is an OS that is easy to use and works the way I want it to, without my having to go under the hood all the time.
There's so much wrong with this statement I almost don't know where to start. Let's start by saying Yes! You are being unreasonable and now I'll tell you why. All you want is an computer that does what you want it to do, but you have no means or desire to create it for yourself. I am reminded of revolutionaries who just want a society of peace/freedom/equality (take your pick) but have no plan how to get there. If you know the way, we'd all like to see the plan, alright, but until then take what you're given. After all, it's not like you're paying any of our bills.
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so umm, seeing we're on the road of futility.. anyone feel like making an isometric rpg-style gui?
you can get the ROM here and an emulator here. Of course, I thought missile command was the best 2600 game. Btw to get the emulator to work you need to hit F10, select "configure controllers" then "keyboard" and press "up" on your keyboard, select "joystick" and then "up" and repeat for each key you want to use on your keyboard. Why there is no default keyboard config, I don't know.
So like, was there are point to reporting this or are there just teasing us? Do I have to buy the video on Ebay or has someone divx'd it and put it online?
doesn't strawman also include just changing the topic to any old thing to divert attention away from the real argument. For example, if I'm loosing an argument and I say "well, what about those free trips you took to bali on the company money?" which you obviously have to defend or you will loose credibility. And what's the right term for "attacking the person instead of the issue"?
What's with the requirements:
x86 compatible processor (200 mHz minimum)
Can you compile the source on PPC linux? Is there a deliberate lack of strategy here? Hmm, Mac like interface at the exact moment when PPC linux becomes mature and Apple starts insulting their own userbase. More and more geeks are saying "man, my overpriced Mac really flys when I put a half decent OS on it" whether they are installing PPC linux or installing OS X PB, is really up to us.
On a completely unrelated note, I wonder if I can port this thing to win32. I could put shell=gnome in my windoze ini's and I wouldn't have to see megabytes of memory wasted on integrated dll's (no, I'd have to see it filled up with mozilla libs).
So if you talk about strategy, would it be a viable plan to port a superior GUI to win32 + MacOS and get users loving it? Assumably, after using a better GUI on a crappy kernel (for win32 at least) users would start to wish for stability and speed that can only be provided by a real OS.
yawn. I have seen windows machines that have no open ports run arbitary code. There is something wrong with their TCP/IP stack. It's sad but true. Unfortunately you have to take my word for it and you never would so you will continue to run a toy operating system.
I can point to a few projects that use obscure languages and yet expect you to download and install the compilers and runtime libraries. In many cases - no native languages - you have no choice, like python for example.
actually that's one of those truely unique ideas that you would think people would have thought of long ago. Believe it or not, most people still surf the web over *shudder* modems and if the NYT is any indication, it takes a while for the "second page" to load up. So why not shove an ad in there whilst it is loading? Because of the low atten... wow, shiny thing!.. span of Internet users there's no real reason to believe they won't click on the advertisement, especially if it has lots of motion and pretty pictures and swirly things and sound effects. Seriously, I don't think I've clicked on a banner this year. Maybe last year. Oh wait, I think there was one thing on Slashdot about 3d goggles but I didn't buy em.
You've mentioned how to get the victim to talk to you, that's the first step and there's a variety of ways (like for example, just using TCP highjacking) but the hard part is when you start to do that transaction. You have to take that code, decrypt it, re-encrypt it, send it on it's way. It's a lot of code, and if it has bugs it can spell disaster. But frankly, it's a non-issue if ssh is doing it's job. If when the message comes up "the remote server key has been changed, SOMEONE COULD BE MONITORING YOU RIGHT NOW" any admin worth his salt will say "I didn't change the server key, hey Tony! Did you change the server key?" and eventually just step over to the machine in question and login to the console. If it's a remote machine they'll probably pick up the phone and give someone a call. There's some sort of secondary chanell they can go through to identify what is happening.
I would rather get fired than have management dictate security issues to me. Thankfully I've never run into that kind of pigheadedness. If the geek says it aint safe, it aint safe.
how can I say this nicely.. there are open bugs in windoze that will never be fixed and never be reported because the only people who know about them are using them for their own personal gain. I'm not saying that the windoze SSH client is inherently more insecure than the linux one (after all, you can get ssh source and compile it on win32.. oh but wait, there is the fact that virtually no-one does any testing on win32 and as such there could be holes that are windoze specific that no-one has found, but I'm sure you use a proprietory ssh client anyways), what I'm telling you is that windoze machines are inherently more insecure. I am telling you in no uncertain terms that if you run a windoze box you are not even closed to secure.
As for security minded people not running trojans.. it's a part of email culture. My friends don't think so I'm not going to think either. And it's only this one time.
because windoze boxen are inheritently insecure. Just read my tag line, I bet you get at least three "cute" flash games and the like every month. Even if you don't, I'm sure you don't have the Outlook security patch installed (the one that makes it impossible to open exe's and vbs scripts and the other 100 - yes there's a list - file formats that are infectable). Patching binaries on windoze is trivial. Intercepting keypresses on windoze is trivial.
it is never the users. It is the policies of the network. If you don't run an ftp server, and a telnet server then you can't have people using unencrypted protocols. But people insist on running these protocols. Ok, so maybe it is the users now and then, like postit notes on the computer.
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GOD DAMN. If they pulled that shit at my kids school I would be knocking on people's doors bearing gifts and organising picket lines. When I was in school the students aranged the strike because they were going to close down grade 12 (the final year) because they didn't have enough students.. we were in our final year so it didn't even effect us but we knew that it would be bad for the school - kids would have to go to some other school to get their final certificate. We protested for days and recruited the teachers to protest with us (after all, they had no-one to teach). In the end it was called off. You can't let this stuff slide man.. you gotta get in there and change things.
If I don't lock up my gun and someone steals it and uses it to kill someone, I AM AT FAULT. Should be the same with computers.
but in this situation it is highly unlikely that the seminar is filed with kids. If you were to successfully disable the alarm of the bank and then get in trouble for it you could always call forward a dozen other people from the seminar and have them testify that they believed you had the ok of a representative of the bank. What's more, they could stand there and demand that the reward be paid. But in this situation the classroom is full of kids and our society doesnt give kids the same rights as adults. So when the victim here calls forward a dozen of his school mates and says the teacher said it was ok, he and his class mates are ignored or assumed to be lying. Especially if the teacher disagrees with them. This is a simple case of age descrimination.
I'm 23 years old. If someone asked me to see whether I could get through their trivial little network security program I would not think twice about it. If a lecturer at my university asked me to check their network security, I would do it. And if an admin showed up and started screaming and yelling and saying he was gunna call the cops both me and the lecturer would tell him to piss off. But that didn't happen here.. why? Because he's a 17 year old kid and he has no rights and is shown no respect.
bah.. I think all he's learned is that children have no rights and will never be treated fairly in our society.
I don't know who's message you were replying to but it wasn't mine. He isn't giving feedback, he is complaining that it doesnt work exactly as he would like and my message was saying that the only way it will do exactly what he wants is if he does it himself. Seems kind of self evident to me. As for the revolutionaries who fight for other people, good on them, but my message said "it reminds me of revolutionaries who just want a society of peace/freedom/equality (take your pick) but have no plan how to get there" which is exactly what this guy wants. He wants the perfect operating system but has no idea what that is or how to make it. Well I'm sorry, neither does anyone else, so until we figure it out, take what you're given.
I'm more than willing to talk to you but at least have the courtesy to read what I type before you reply!
actually it's the first time I've looked at Jon Katz in quite a while.. I don't want to filter him out, just like I don't want to filter out white supremists or christian nuts. Why? Because like it or not they are a part of our world and ignoring them is not going to make them go away. Personally I think JK is annoying but he is also offensive and insensitive and the platform that slashdot continues to give him is undeserved.
hehe.. that's pretty much what I was thinking! Now imagine that the characters represent files and when you click on them you can rightclick on the recyclebin and they walk over to it and do themselves in and their corpse falls there and rots for a few days. But if you decide that you want that file back you can grab a necromancer and perform a "wake dead" spell on it. Sound stupid? Now you know how I feel everytime I see people try to come up with "virtual reality" desktop interfaces. In a way you can see that it would be possible, but would it be efficient and usable? Not really.
I don't think I'm being unreasonable. All I want is an OS that is easy to use and works the way I want it to, without my having to go under the hood all the time.
There's so much wrong with this statement I almost don't know where to start. Let's start by saying Yes! You are being unreasonable and now I'll tell you why. All you want is an computer that does what you want it to do, but you have no means or desire to create it for yourself. I am reminded of revolutionaries who just want a society of peace/freedom/equality (take your pick) but have no plan how to get there. If you know the way, we'd all like to see the plan, alright, but until then take what you're given. After all, it's not like you're paying any of our bills.
so umm, seeing we're on the road of futility.. anyone feel like making an isometric rpg-style gui?
you can get the ROM here and an emulator here. Of course, I thought missile command was the best 2600 game. Btw to get the emulator to work you need to hit F10, select "configure controllers" then "keyboard" and press "up" on your keyboard, select "joystick" and then "up" and repeat for each key you want to use on your keyboard. Why there is no default keyboard config, I don't know.
So like, was there are point to reporting this or are there just teasing us? Do I have to buy the video on Ebay or has someone divx'd it and put it online?
why the hell is this post score 0! Thank you very much.. MOD THIS UP!
Why not just add a deb/rpm wrapper to it?
doesn't strawman also include just changing the topic to any old thing to divert attention away from the real argument. For example, if I'm loosing an argument and I say "well, what about those free trips you took to bali on the company money?" which you obviously have to defend or you will loose credibility. And what's the right term for "attacking the person instead of the issue"?
Dipshit, I'm right here.. I ment screenshots. Think!
What's with the requirements:
x86 compatible processor (200 mHz minimum)
Can you compile the source on PPC linux? Is there a deliberate lack of strategy here? Hmm, Mac like interface at the exact moment when PPC linux becomes mature and Apple starts insulting their own userbase. More and more geeks are saying "man, my overpriced Mac really flys when I put a half decent OS on it" whether they are installing PPC linux or installing OS X PB, is really up to us.
On a completely unrelated note, I wonder if I can port this thing to win32. I could put shell=gnome in my windoze ini's and I wouldn't have to see megabytes of memory wasted on integrated dll's (no, I'd have to see it filled up with mozilla libs).
So if you talk about strategy, would it be a viable plan to port a superior GUI to win32 + MacOS and get users loving it? Assumably, after using a better GUI on a crappy kernel (for win32 at least) users would start to wish for stability and speed that can only be provided by a real OS.
yawn. I have seen windows machines that have no open ports run arbitary code. There is something wrong with their TCP/IP stack. It's sad but true. Unfortunately you have to take my word for it and you never would so you will continue to run a toy operating system.
I can point to a few projects that use obscure languages and yet expect you to download and install the compilers and runtime libraries. In many cases - no native languages - you have no choice, like python for example.
actually that's one of those truely unique ideas that you would think people would have thought of long ago. Believe it or not, most people still surf the web over *shudder* modems and if the NYT is any indication, it takes a while for the "second page" to load up. So why not shove an ad in there whilst it is loading? Because of the low atten... wow, shiny thing! .. span of Internet users there's no real reason to believe they won't click on the advertisement, especially if it has lots of motion and pretty pictures and swirly things and sound effects. Seriously, I don't think I've clicked on a banner this year. Maybe last year. Oh wait, I think there was one thing on Slashdot about 3d goggles but I didn't buy em.
You've mentioned how to get the victim to talk to you, that's the first step and there's a variety of ways (like for example, just using TCP highjacking) but the hard part is when you start to do that transaction. You have to take that code, decrypt it, re-encrypt it, send it on it's way. It's a lot of code, and if it has bugs it can spell disaster. But frankly, it's a non-issue if ssh is doing it's job. If when the message comes up "the remote server key has been changed, SOMEONE COULD BE MONITORING YOU RIGHT NOW" any admin worth his salt will say "I didn't change the server key, hey Tony! Did you change the server key?" and eventually just step over to the machine in question and login to the console. If it's a remote machine they'll probably pick up the phone and give someone a call. There's some sort of secondary chanell they can go through to identify what is happening.
I would rather get fired than have management dictate security issues to me. Thankfully I've never run into that kind of pigheadedness. If the geek says it aint safe, it aint safe.
how can I say this nicely.. there are open bugs in windoze that will never be fixed and never be reported because the only people who know about them are using them for their own personal gain. I'm not saying that the windoze SSH client is inherently more insecure than the linux one (after all, you can get ssh source and compile it on win32.. oh but wait, there is the fact that virtually no-one does any testing on win32 and as such there could be holes that are windoze specific that no-one has found, but I'm sure you use a proprietory ssh client anyways), what I'm telling you is that windoze machines are inherently more insecure. I am telling you in no uncertain terms that if you run a windoze box you are not even closed to secure.
As for security minded people not running trojans.. it's a part of email culture. My friends don't think so I'm not going to think either. And it's only this one time.
because windoze boxen are inheritently insecure. Just read my tag line, I bet you get at least three "cute" flash games and the like every month. Even if you don't, I'm sure you don't have the Outlook security patch installed (the one that makes it impossible to open exe's and vbs scripts and the other 100 - yes there's a list - file formats that are infectable). Patching binaries on windoze is trivial. Intercepting keypresses on windoze is trivial.
it is never the users. It is the policies of the network. If you don't run an ftp server, and a telnet server then you can't have people using unencrypted protocols. But people insist on running these protocols. Ok, so maybe it is the users now and then, like postit notes on the computer.