God, I love clueless labor types. Go communism! HAHAHA
yeah, it's flame bait. But come on! All of the truly great communist countries ran themselves into the ground! They're dead! If your going to praise the American Labor Movement, why not praise all of the other popular "ism" movements of it's time: Fascism (Nazis), Socialism, Zionism... all of these pre-WWI naive separatist (racist) "you stick to your kind and leave our kind alone" methodolgies. NONE of them have any place in a world trying to bring people together IN SPITE of their differences.
And living out here in Pittsburgh, I can tell you that labor (unions) have done more harm to themselves than any corporate entity! The steel industry is completly GONE because of how greedy the unions were. This pro-labor mentality needs to be completely overhauled. For instance, I went to Atlanta Nabisco to install a few control systems, and their labor was college educated! They were very soft spoken when it came to the stereotypical labor issues, because they knew where their bread was buttered. But back here where LABOR is god, and too many people's lively-hoods and egos depend on the old school unions... we're lucky if our union work can read. We sit by and watch company after company move away... not to cheap labor... but EDUCATED labor!
Open your eyes. The American Labour Movement, like any "liberal" cause, was fantastic IN IT'S TIME, but now causes damage when it has outlived it's usefulness. People derive their self-worth from these causes, and thus are blind to the world moving on without them. So they eventually NEED their cause so much, that they are unwilling to admit when they've accomplished their goals... and they themselves are no longer needed.
rant rant rant
anyway, May Day is a JOKE of a holiday. we don't celebrate in the US, because we know better. Why not celebrate Titanic Day? Or better yet, Wounded Knee day?
102. Subject matter of copyright: In general (a) Copyright protection subsists, in accordance with this title, in original works of authorship fixed in any tangible medium of expression, now known or later developed, from which they can be perceived, reproduced, or otherwise communicated, either directly or with the aid of a machine or device. Works of authorship include the following categories:
(1) literary works;
(2) musical works, including any accompanying words;
(3) dramatic works, including any accompanying music;
(4) pantomimes and choreographic works;
(5) pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works;
(6) motion pictures and other audiovisual works;
(7) sound recordings; and
(8) architectural works. (b) In no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work.
First off, I don't see any "sorce code" or "computer program" in there anywhere. In fact, to me a computer program would be more like a process, system or an idea (section b is all patentable items I guess) than like anything in section a. So where the hell does the US government get off compltely obliterating the original intent of copyright law in order to shelter Bill Gates?
Secondly, "architectural works" isn't speech. Sorry. So your argument that it has to be speech in order to be copyrighted doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't say that within the law does it? Or are you quoting a judicial finding? The "tangible medium of expression" line might lead someone to think that I guess.
Thirdly, these games are already copyrighted! So it would make more sense to me that your argument is flawed than it would that "the judge invalidated their copyrights."
no everything you just said there is a complete fairy tale. You would expect a teenager to say such things.
The world hasn't changed much socially in 10 thousand years. All the same vices, all the same selfish stupid actions. And always all the same results. The laws however have come and gone. The social apprehensions too have been cyclical.
But there is no such thing as moral relativity. You kill someone, you change the world for the worse... doesn't matter if it's acceptable or not.
Drinking beer has consequences. The greeks worshiped (and feared) Dionysius for the same reasons we don't let minors drink. The consequences are IDENTICAL, but the laws are different. Viewing porn has consequences. The puritans put people to death for the same hedonistic actions that siblings commited with each other in ancient Egypt. Where one culture prohibits, another promotes. But nevertheless BOTH cultures still committed the same acts (although the Puritans in secrecy), and the results were mostly the same: Neither culture is here today.
The basic consequences of your actions don't change if some self-centered ego-tripping politician makes them legal or not. One could argue that getting caught and being punished for a crime would cause a different consequence... but that's not what I'm talking about here. I'm saying that there is no difference in comitting a crime of which no one is aware, and committing a legal act. ("It ain't illegal if you don't get caught.") The legality effects that you discuss are so MINOR... that weighed with 6 BILLION people, they become completely negligible.
What's funny is that someone actually moderated your first response up. That just goes to show if you want karma, you should learn the politically correct "one-liner"... it doesn't matter if it's accurate or not.
When is someone going to take these things before a Judge? There is no way that pressing a button, or tearing shrink wrap can hold the same legal standing as a signature before witnesses.
There is absolutely no way to prove who pressed the button is there? So how could this possibly be a legal "agreement?"
you know how much crap I got away with that my parents never knew about? How many porn magazines I bought at the corner store? How many beers I had at a friend's house? etc...
Can you imagine how much MORE trouble I would have got myself into if these things were LEGAL?
Get real. There's nothing wrong with a community making laws to fit it's way of life. Moral laws included. The beautiful thing is if you don't like the laws you have the freedom to SPEAK YOUR MIND and change them. Or you can always move.
It's VERY hypocritical for you to point fingers at a community 500 miles away and say that they don't have the right to force their views on someone else. You don't see the irony?
If the software is copyrighted... then we are not able to distribute it amongst ourselves. We can scream FREE SPEECH! And the courts just laugh.
So if the software was copyrighted, we already know that it isn't sheltered by free speech. Isn't this finding of the court in-line (redundant) with what we already know?
So the weird thing is that the publisher WANTS it to be protected by free speech in order to PRODUCE it... but NOT protected by free speech in order to keep it's DISTRIBUTION under their control.
DOD isn't the best example that Salon could have chosen. I've been playing since the very first beta version two years ago, and if anything DOD should be held as an example of what NOT to do.
First off, anyone playing the game can tell you that the maps are extraordinary! The details, and the sounds are just out of this world. Plus unlike deathmatch 3D shooters, DOD enforces heavy teamplay... which is amazing. There's nothing like a "pick-up" game of 8 on 8 with people who are literally scattered all over the world... working as a team!
But, as a project, DOD has a lot to be desired. A few months back 2.0 was released and it was a disaster. The ONLY feedback to the developer group was provided by a single message board. And it could not handle the FLOODING of posts asking questions and complaining about bugs and such. They actually had to change their registration setting, denying all applicants who registered with an HTML email address (hotmail, yahoo), because they were getting tons of juvenille "this sucks" posts! The board was SWAMPED with irate players.
Of course DOD handled it like a bunch of complete business novices. There solution was to ignore the flood as in this post here: http://forums.dayofdefeatmod.com/forums/sho wthread . hp?s=&threadid=17975
my favorite quote was: See, we are so confident our settings are close to perfect because we had so many people who tested Beta 2 initially say "wow, this is hard, this isn't good", then come back 2 weeks later and say "man, this is incredible, I'm use to the realism now".
So instead of "the customer is always right" like you would find with a project that makes money, you get this arrogance that just distances the player from the developer.
Not to mention that the message boards are completely filled with more juvenille "yes men" that don't give the developers honest feedback... then the DOD team uses these familiar players for beta testing which makes matters worse. The DOD team, (if in appearances only) seems now to be the most out of touch mod team out there. This Salon article isn't going to help much.
My observances are that there are less and less servers hosting DOD games... and the servers that used to be hard to get into (always full) are playing now with spots open all the time. If these are indications that DOD is losing popularity, then I would bet it's because the DOD team didn't handle the 2.0 release constructively.
And that is something that happens quite a bit with ANY homespun freeware... gaming or otherwise.
(The Salon article really handled the other mods well though...kudos)
Again, after 377 comments there's no reason to post this. I'm sure with moderation constraints no one even reads these way down here...
I have noticed that the debate over privatization of railways is fairly heated... mostly at an ideological level perhaps. But curiously there is little input from the American side. I would think with the regulation of "utility" companies in Pennsylvania, New York and (always in the news) California going by the wayside, that there would be more of an uproar from US posters.
Then I realized, the argument is more about the privatization of RAILWAY. And you have to laugh. We don't use our rails here in the US... well, with the exception of some east coast commuter traffic to and from White Plains... for the most part we use our cars. And that's the rub (here's a limited number of points):
You need to provide a service that can compete with other modes of travel. As in AIRPLANES, and CARS. These services have to be convenient, cheap, fast and comfortable. I have read in the news that the state of Florida is looking at increasing the width of their highways with public funding rather than build a high speed commuter railway. Why? Because there is absolutely NO demand for a system that is destination-restricted, costs $35 one way, stops every five miles for passenger exchange and is graffiti strewn and reeks of human urine. A rail system has to be at least as "usable" as the systems already in existence if not BETTER.
If you were able to provide such a service, it would have to have it's own dedicated line. The main reason Amtrak can't keep it's schedules is that it has to share it's outdated gauge of track with FREIGHT lines. This might result in dedicated loops for each city with no physical interconnection between lines.
The service has to be dependable. Which means that if I were to use it to take me to and from work every morning, the train better BE there when the schedule says it should. No breakdowns on the tracks, or pulling over to let an opposing train pass. Better yet a "backup" engine sitting in the roundhouse whose sole purpose is to be wheeled out when the main engine is broken would be ideal. And absolutely never any CANCELLATIONS.
These few factors (if met) would give this train a decent PUBLIC IMAGE. Which in turn would make the public DESIRE to use it.
(There are other factors... but these will do for my example.) You see, Americans haven't joined this discussion, because we HATE our railway system. It almost NEVER provides any of the above. Oddly enough our system used to do so when it was first created in the 1800s. Each line was privately owned, was cutting edge technology, had dedicated physically independent "lines" (never mind that silly intercontinental stuff), prided itself on being on time EVERY time... and the public loved it.
Now you know where this is going... it started to go terribly wrong after the interstate highway picked up speed (pardon the pun). The train was simply outdated for obvious reasons. The government stepped in and tried to save it. It didn't matter that the public found their cars to be "better" than the train, and had no interest in the lines. So instead of letting the rails die with the horse drawn buggy, we have kept a dinosaur on life support.
Does anyone even bother to read Katz's comments anymore? If the dot com economy has truly gone extinct, can't it at least take him (and his completely boring and uninformed comments) with it?
The point of the Mummy Returns is that it's the first ILM movie of the season. You don't go to the movie to compare it against Boris Karloff classics... you go to watch the CGI!
I like my summer movies the way I like my internet porn: Tons of action, little dialogue and as simple of a plot as possible!
(Forgot to login first post... Even I couldn't read my own comment with a score of 0! [comment #71])
This is a dead thread, yet I keep checking it to see your response. It's THIS... where we throw dung at each other, then end up really conversing.
That's the part I stick around for. (Am I the only one who cringes when using a preposition at the end of a sentence? Man have they drilled THAT into my head...)
Getting back on topic. What do you think about my no editors/ complete moderation idea?
because I'm the last of a large group of my college geek friends to still post here.
In fact I just got off the phone with a friend, and we were discussing how he never even bothers to read the posts anymore. He just uses the headlines to keep abreast. Here and the Register of course.
I always thought that the model here was outstanding. You could really discuss a WIDE area of topics... and with people of similar technical background.
But now there's just too many people shouting. No one's actually saying anything. AND the stories seem to be re-hashing all the same stuff that the Slashdot clones are posting. And the stories are coming from a much narrower perspective now.
In answer to your question, I'll ask you one: are you the type to just bend over and take it up the ass when something is obviously going awry? Is ANYBODY here that type of person? If you've read ANY thread here... it's apparent that no one here is very shy about voicing their opinions...
So why would you think that I would just go away?
and as for "acting" smart... one of the tests of being a TRUE geek is knowing what it's like to be isolated from the norm. Typically not of your choosing, and it's not anything that you would wish on your worst enemy. Why the hell would anyone want to ACT smart?
I expect comments like that from a poser, not from someone who's actually been there. (not an insult. just a matter of fact.)
at least we've stopped calling each other "idiots"... that's a start.
My point was that Slashdot has evolved past the NEED for editors at all. Slashdot is now a collection of THOUSANDS of geeks. It is much broader than it was at it's creation. The added editorial comments are just dumb. The articles stand on their own. The editors are talking now just to hear themselves speak. No one cares what their opinions are anymore. We all have our own. Isn't that the purpose of this site?
We don't need editors. We just need IT people to maintain the servers.
The moderation system could be modified to allow moderators to choose the original postings. And I think these stories should be posted as is, WITHOUT additional editorial comment.
You are obviously allowed (and encouraged) to believe differently. However, if you feel that Slashdot should not change in this fashion, then perhaps another board should be spun-off... it wouldn't take much. I'd be interested to see who else agrees. Of course Slashdot always seems to refuse submittal on these types of suggestions...
this is now offtopic, but oddly enough these types of anti-editor comments have appeared in ALL of the articles I have been reading for the past few months. So the dissention is apparently growing.
which just goes to show how stupid the karma system now is...
I liked it better the old way when NO ONE could moderate. At least I got to read ALL the sides.
You know, as in UNBIASED.
Wow, some of you people are full of self-centered crap. I was just saying open your minds up a little, and like Orthodox Catholics you people want to put me on the rack for threatening your self-important values.
This is all becoming a waste of time. There aren't any intelligent views here any more... or if there are, you have to go deep into the zero moderated to find them.
are you assuming that everything on the web is done in real time nowadays? Like if you weren't reading the articles as they happened, then you have no idea what Slashdot is all about?
why do you even have to have been involved in Slashdot at all? This new internet crap is the accumulation of tons of different fields and disciplines all pretty much minding there own business to this point. They were using the net, just didn't give a crap about a bunch of west coast geeks and their BBS.
The attitudes are all the same whether you've been here or not.
Personally, I don't find the typical slashdotters very intelligent or stimulating. They all seem to be about 13 and knee-jerk respond to everything. Read this thread for example.
I said the same thing below, but I signed my name to it.
You'll find that your opinions will get read here more often (although not always agreed to) if you take the time to login.
btw... there's more to life than the high school taught theories of left wing vs. right wing. For the rest of you reading this: just because we don't want to be liberals, don't assume that we're conservatives either. How linear you people think.
(read my post below)
oh, and by today's poll results, Taco is pissing off 40% of the readers... but I'm not sure if that represents total population or total voting population.
"if blowing up Bush isn't enough stress reduction for you"
I said it before and I'll say it again.
I have a strong objection to the ever-growing pattern of slashdotters assuming everyone here is a left-winged, christian hating, disgusted by anyone Republican... well, you get the idea. Typical close-minded collegiate America.
When I was just a wee geek lad, our kind clung to the idea that NO political party was good enough for our high ideals. Alas, I miss those days.
Slashdot Mirror
hahahahahahahaha
God, I love clueless labor types. Go communism! HAHAHA
yeah, it's flame bait. But come on! All of the truly great communist countries ran themselves into the ground! They're dead! If your going to praise the American Labor Movement, why not praise all of the other popular "ism" movements of it's time: Fascism (Nazis), Socialism, Zionism... all of these pre-WWI naive separatist (racist) "you stick to your kind and leave our kind alone" methodolgies. NONE of them have any place in a world trying to bring people together IN SPITE of their differences.
And living out here in Pittsburgh, I can tell you that labor (unions) have done more harm to themselves than any corporate entity! The steel industry is completly GONE because of how greedy the unions were. This pro-labor mentality needs to be completely overhauled. For instance, I went to Atlanta Nabisco to install a few control systems, and their labor was college educated! They were very soft spoken when it came to the stereotypical labor issues, because they knew where their bread was buttered. But back here where LABOR is god, and too many people's lively-hoods and egos depend on the old school unions... we're lucky if our union work can read. We sit by and watch company after company move away... not to cheap labor... but EDUCATED labor!
Open your eyes. The American Labour Movement, like any "liberal" cause, was fantastic IN IT'S TIME, but now causes damage when it has outlived it's usefulness. People derive their self-worth from these causes, and thus are blind to the world moving on without them. So they eventually NEED their cause so much, that they are unwilling to admit when they've accomplished their goals... and they themselves are no longer needed.
rant rant rant
anyway, May Day is a JOKE of a holiday. we don't celebrate in the US, because we know better. Why not celebrate Titanic Day? Or better yet, Wounded Knee day?
I'm confused.
102. Subject matter of copyright: In general
(a) Copyright protection subsists, in accordance with this title, in original works of authorship fixed in any tangible medium of expression, now known or later developed, from which they can be perceived, reproduced, or otherwise communicated, either directly or with the aid of a machine or device. Works of authorship include the following categories:
(1) literary works;
(2) musical works, including any accompanying words;
(3) dramatic works, including any accompanying music;
(4) pantomimes and choreographic works;
(5) pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works;
(6) motion pictures and other audiovisual works;
(7) sound recordings; and
(8) architectural works.
(b) In no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work.
First off, I don't see any "sorce code" or "computer program" in there anywhere. In fact, to me a computer program would be more like a process, system or an idea (section b is all patentable items I guess) than like anything in section a. So where the hell does the US government get off compltely obliterating the original intent of copyright law in order to shelter Bill Gates?
Secondly, "architectural works" isn't speech. Sorry. So your argument that it has to be speech in order to be copyrighted doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't say that within the law does it? Or are you quoting a judicial finding? The "tangible medium of expression" line might lead someone to think that I guess.
Thirdly, these games are already copyrighted! So it would make more sense to me that your argument is flawed than it would that "the judge invalidated their copyrights."
no
everything you just said there is a complete fairy tale. You would expect a teenager to say such things.
The world hasn't changed much socially in 10 thousand years. All the same vices, all the same selfish stupid actions. And always all the same results.
The laws however have come and gone. The social apprehensions too have been cyclical.
But there is no such thing as moral relativity. You kill someone, you change the world for the worse... doesn't matter if it's acceptable or not.
Drinking beer has consequences. The greeks worshiped (and feared) Dionysius for the same reasons we don't let minors drink. The consequences are IDENTICAL, but the laws are different. Viewing porn has consequences. The puritans put people to death for the same hedonistic actions that siblings commited with each other in ancient Egypt. Where one culture prohibits, another promotes. But nevertheless BOTH cultures still committed the same acts (although the Puritans in secrecy), and the results were mostly the same: Neither culture is here today.
The basic consequences of your actions don't change if some self-centered ego-tripping politician makes them legal or not. One could argue that getting caught and being punished for a crime would cause a different consequence... but that's not what I'm talking about here. I'm saying that there is no difference in comitting a crime of which no one is aware, and committing a legal act. ("It ain't illegal if you don't get caught.") The legality effects that you discuss are so MINOR... that weighed with 6 BILLION people, they become completely negligible.
What's funny is that someone actually moderated your first response up. That just goes to show if you want karma, you should learn the politically correct "one-liner"... it doesn't matter if it's accurate or not.
peace
You really think being "in trouble" has anything to do with what laws are passed?
You can't be that stupid.
When is someone going to take these things before a Judge? There is no way that pressing a button, or tearing shrink wrap can hold the same legal standing as a signature before witnesses.
There is absolutely no way to prove who pressed the button is there? So how could this possibly be a legal "agreement?"
oh my god.
you know how much crap I got away with that my parents never knew about? How many porn magazines I bought at the corner store? How many beers I had at a friend's house? etc...
Can you imagine how much MORE trouble I would have got myself into if these things were LEGAL?
Get real. There's nothing wrong with a community making laws to fit it's way of life. Moral laws included. The beautiful thing is if you don't like the laws you have the freedom to SPEAK YOUR MIND and change them. Or you can always move.
It's VERY hypocritical for you to point fingers at a community 500 miles away and say that they don't have the right to force their views on someone else. You don't see the irony?
"conservatives need to divorce the religious right"
WOW! You really need to stop watching TV.
conservative = religious right? That's just funny.
Keep in mind that the stereotypical business man is an atheistic immoral scavanger who hasn't been to church since he was baptised.
If the software is copyrighted... then we are not able to distribute it amongst ourselves. We can scream FREE SPEECH! And the courts just laugh.
So if the software was copyrighted, we already know that it isn't sheltered by free speech. Isn't this finding of the court in-line (redundant) with what we already know?
So the weird thing is that the publisher WANTS it to be protected by free speech in order to PRODUCE it... but NOT protected by free speech in order to keep it's DISTRIBUTION under their control.
Ah hypocrisy. Gotta love it.
DOD isn't the best example that Salon could have chosen. I've been playing since the very first beta version two years ago, and if anything DOD should be held as an example of what NOT to do.
o wthread . hp?s=&threadid=17975
First off, anyone playing the game can tell you that the maps are extraordinary! The details, and the sounds are just out of this world. Plus unlike deathmatch 3D shooters, DOD enforces heavy teamplay... which is amazing. There's nothing like a "pick-up" game of 8 on 8 with people who are literally scattered all over the world... working as a team!
But, as a project, DOD has a lot to be desired. A few months back 2.0 was released and it was a disaster. The ONLY feedback to the developer group was provided by a single message board. And it could not handle the FLOODING of posts asking questions and complaining about bugs and such. They actually had to change their registration setting, denying all applicants who registered with an HTML email address (hotmail, yahoo), because they were getting tons of juvenille "this sucks" posts! The board was SWAMPED with irate players.
Of course DOD handled it like a bunch of complete business novices. There solution was to ignore the flood as in this post here:
http://forums.dayofdefeatmod.com/forums/sh
my favorite quote was:
See, we are so confident our settings are close to perfect because we had so many people who tested Beta 2 initially say "wow, this is hard, this isn't good", then come back 2 weeks later and say "man, this is incredible, I'm use to the realism now".
So instead of "the customer is always right" like you would find with a project that makes money, you get this arrogance that just distances the player from the developer.
Not to mention that the message boards are completely filled with more juvenille "yes men" that don't give the developers honest feedback... then the DOD team uses these familiar players for beta testing which makes matters worse. The DOD team, (if in appearances only) seems now to be the most out of touch mod team out there. This Salon article isn't going to help much.
My observances are that there are less and less servers hosting DOD games... and the servers that used to be hard to get into (always full) are playing now with spots open all the time. If these are indications that DOD is losing popularity, then I would bet it's because the DOD team didn't handle the 2.0 release constructively.
And that is something that happens quite a bit with ANY homespun freeware... gaming or otherwise.
(The Salon article really handled the other mods well though...kudos)
Nobody prefers Burger King... have you ever tasted their fries? Bleech!
(yes I know it's offtopic)
Ben Stiller is this decade's Pauley Shore
Again, after 377 comments there's no reason to post this. I'm sure with moderation constraints no one even reads these way down here...
I have noticed that the debate over privatization of railways is fairly heated... mostly at an ideological level perhaps. But curiously there is little input from the American side. I would think with the regulation of "utility" companies in Pennsylvania, New York and (always in the news) California going by the wayside, that there would be more of an uproar from US posters.
Then I realized, the argument is more about the privatization of RAILWAY. And you have to laugh. We don't use our rails here in the US... well, with the exception of some east coast commuter traffic to and from White Plains... for the most part we use our cars. And that's the rub (here's a limited number of points):
(There are other factors... but these will do for my example.) You see, Americans haven't joined this discussion, because we HATE our railway system. It almost NEVER provides any of the above. Oddly enough our system used to do so when it was first created in the 1800s. Each line was privately owned, was cutting edge technology, had dedicated physically independent "lines" (never mind that silly intercontinental stuff), prided itself on being on time EVERY time... and the public loved it.
Now you know where this is going... it started to go terribly wrong after the interstate highway picked up speed (pardon the pun). The train was simply outdated for obvious reasons. The government stepped in and tried to save it. It didn't matter that the public found their cars to be "better" than the train, and had no interest in the lines. So instead of letting the rails die with the horse drawn buggy, we have kept a dinosaur on life support.
Another fine example of government regulation.
Does anyone even bother to read Katz's comments anymore? If the dot com economy has truly gone extinct, can't it at least take him (and his completely boring and uninformed comments) with it?
The point of the Mummy Returns is that it's the first ILM movie of the season. You don't go to the movie to compare it against Boris Karloff classics... you go to watch the CGI!
I like my summer movies the way I like my internet porn: Tons of action, little dialogue and as simple of a plot as possible!
(Forgot to login first post... Even I couldn't read my own comment with a score of 0! [comment #71])
I think we just answered your question.
This is a dead thread, yet I keep checking it to see your response. It's THIS... where we throw dung at each other, then end up really conversing.
That's the part I stick around for. (Am I the only one who cringes when using a preposition at the end of a sentence? Man have they drilled THAT into my head...)
Getting back on topic. What do you think about my no editors/ complete moderation idea?
because I'm the last of a large group of my college geek friends to still post here.
In fact I just got off the phone with a friend, and we were discussing how he never even bothers to read the posts anymore. He just uses the headlines to keep abreast. Here and the Register of course.
I always thought that the model here was outstanding. You could really discuss a WIDE area of topics... and with people of similar technical background.
But now there's just too many people shouting. No one's actually saying anything. AND the stories seem to be re-hashing all the same stuff that the Slashdot clones are posting. And the stories are coming from a much narrower perspective now.
In answer to your question, I'll ask you one: are you the type to just bend over and take it up the ass when something is obviously going awry? Is ANYBODY here that type of person? If you've read ANY thread here... it's apparent that no one here is very shy about voicing their opinions...
So why would you think that I would just go away?
and as for "acting" smart... one of the tests of being a TRUE geek is knowing what it's like to be isolated from the norm. Typically not of your choosing, and it's not anything that you would wish on your worst enemy. Why the hell would anyone want to ACT smart?
I expect comments like that from a poser, not from someone who's actually been there. (not an insult. just a matter of fact.)
at least we've stopped calling each other "idiots"... that's a start.
My point was that Slashdot has evolved past the NEED for editors at all. Slashdot is now a collection of THOUSANDS of geeks. It is much broader than it was at it's creation. The added editorial comments are just dumb. The articles stand on their own. The editors are talking now just to hear themselves speak. No one cares what their opinions are anymore. We all have our own. Isn't that the purpose of this site?
We don't need editors. We just need IT people to maintain the servers.
The moderation system could be modified to allow moderators to choose the original postings. And I think these stories should be posted as is, WITHOUT additional editorial comment.
You are obviously allowed (and encouraged) to believe differently. However, if you feel that Slashdot should not change in this fashion, then perhaps another board should be spun-off... it wouldn't take much. I'd be interested to see who else agrees. Of course Slashdot always seems to refuse submittal on these types of suggestions...
this is now offtopic, but oddly enough these types of anti-editor comments have appeared in ALL of the articles I have been reading for the past few months. So the dissention is apparently growing.
eh, who cares... right?
which just goes to show how stupid the karma system now is...
I liked it better the old way when NO ONE could moderate. At least I got to read ALL the sides.
You know, as in UNBIASED.
Wow, some of you people are full of self-centered crap. I was just saying open your minds up a little, and like Orthodox Catholics you people want to put me on the rack for threatening your self-important values.
This is all becoming a waste of time. There aren't any intelligent views here any more... or if there are, you have to go deep into the zero moderated to find them.
not to mention that I didn't bother to create an account for at least a year of finding slashdot...
it was just above crappy then...and it's sinking slowly.
and the archives serve what purpose then?
are you assuming that everything on the web is done in real time nowadays? Like if you weren't reading the articles as they happened, then you have no idea what Slashdot is all about?
why do you even have to have been involved in Slashdot at all? This new internet crap is the accumulation of tons of different fields and disciplines all pretty much minding there own business to this point. They were using the net, just didn't give a crap about a bunch of west coast geeks and their BBS.
The attitudes are all the same whether you've been here or not.
Personally, I don't find the typical slashdotters very intelligent or stimulating. They all seem to be about 13 and knee-jerk respond to everything. Read this thread for example.
where the hell did you get that?
I'm not trying to censor any posts. I'm saying that as an editor you really screw up things by tainting the news. That's all.
You all want to act like this is some Oklahoma small town grocery store insert...more power to you.
I'm just saying that your comments reinforce that image.
Wow... are YOU the idiot.
what the hell are you talking about?
"new to Slashdot?"
how typically immature your reply is.
This board is read on the international scale. Full potential = 6 billion readers. (Of course that won't happen for quite some time).
Which mean that if you want to voice your over-simplistic, knee-jerking, close minded "if you don't like it, don't come here" crap to the entire world
...more power to you.
What's scary is that someone even less intelligent moderated your useless comments up.
Person A says "who needs politics?" and stays at moderation 1.
Person B says "praise the Slashdot editors for being close minded and typical American self-centered," and gets moderated to a 2.
Wow... now I'm scared.
I want back my geek world of anti-politics and I want you posers to go away now. Thank you.
kudos to you....
people that pass unsubstatiated rumors on the net give us all a bad name.
thank you for taking the time to prove this guy a bonehead.
I said the same thing below, but I signed my name to it.
You'll find that your opinions will get read here more often (although not always agreed to) if you take the time to login.
btw... there's more to life than the high school taught theories of left wing vs. right wing. For the rest of you reading this: just because we don't want to be liberals, don't assume that we're conservatives either. How linear you people think.
(read my post below)
oh, and by today's poll results, Taco is pissing off 40% of the readers... but I'm not sure if that represents total population or total voting population.
"if blowing up Bush isn't enough stress reduction for you"
... well, you get the idea. Typical close-minded collegiate America.
I said it before and I'll say it again.
I have a strong objection to the ever-growing pattern of slashdotters assuming everyone here is a left-winged, christian hating, disgusted by anyone Republican
When I was just a wee geek lad, our kind clung to the idea that NO political party was good enough for our high ideals. Alas, I miss those days.