I will probably be modded to troll for saying this, since I've noticed that on Slashdot there are many people who are so busy being right they aren't secure enough to listen to a disagreeing opinion.
There are a lot of people here who seem to feel that because they can figure out how to do something, they have the right to do it. "I can, therefore I should be allowed to," would sum it up. It's a group that feels that if you lose your job, you are justified in taking revenge, legal or illegal. While losing a job is a rough experience, it's part of life. Businesses change and let people go. If you're not a big enough person to accept it and move on, then maybe you weren't responsible enough to accept the job in the first palce.
Yes, he should go to jail, but those that feel that they are, somehow because of their superior technical skills, some part of a "hacking elite" that should be able to break any laws they consider wrong (read: laws that are in their way, since, in their minds they are always right) and should be able to do so without consequence.
It's a shame because such people really make it harder for the rest of us, both in discussions here and in life in general.
Yes. Or people that have sprains and don't need a crutch but want one or insist on it.
A crutch is something to lean on, something to support one's weight instead of the person supporting themselves. The most often seen use is for people with an injured leg, but there are many times people use a crutch when they don't need one. They just don't want to face the effort and/or pain in fully supporting themselves. The same is true when you're talking about psychological crutches -- in fact more so.
And that is a point I was making: your experience is limited -- especially if you've never seen someone not facing the pain of rehabilitiation.
As to your experience and mine coinciding, my experience includes many of the patients I dealt with in treatment situations in the institutions I worked in as well as the physical therapists I worked with and all the other trained professionals I worked with who worked with people recovering from mental and physical problems and injuries. In my original post I pointed out I worked as a treatment professional. Perhaps you didn't realize that many timese those working in one form of treatment deal with a lot of overlap when working with or dealing with other people in other fields of treatment. Often I'd have to work with teachers, PTs, OTs, special aides, and other people in a full treatment team. If you've spent much time working in treatment, that's a given. When I qualified myself as a professional, maybe I should have also pointed out that pretty much anyone (at least anyone I ever worked with) who works in treatment works with people in multiple fields and soon learns a great deal about all the involved fields. Considering I was using a metaphor that is commonly used on today's society, I figured most people would understand the context of the reference.
people do not use crutches rather than face the pain of rehabilitation.
Oh. Okay. I see. You expect everyone throughout the world to behave exactly as you expect from your experience. So if it is in your experience it is true. Otherwise it just doesn't happen.
Yes, you have a point, but one that is only true in a very limited part of reality and when you look at all of reality, there is more to it than that.
If someone is color blind and sees only black and white, there is no way you'll ever successfully explain the difference between red and green.
A metaphor is a comparison to help an explanation. That does not mean the metaphor is literally the same.
For example, someone might need a crutch, but after a while, instead of using the leg and letting it get stronger, they always use the crutch instead of facing the pain of rehabilitation. That's where the metaphor comes from.
But trying to help a person who can only understand literal meanings is like trying to explain green to that person who sees black and white and not even gray: they just cannot make the leap to understand it.
Go ahead and push her, if you think she has a problem.
You're either trolling, or you don't know what you're talking about and think your one experience is going to be like all others in situations anywhere near similar. It is for those who have a hammer so they think every problem is a nail.
You don't know what went thorugh your girlfriend's mind and what lead to the situation. It may be that she was considering going, but didn't want to tell you and maybe you don't want to acknowledge that it might have been your need to control her that created the situation in the first place. From what you said, she just might be better off without you in her life.
tell him that if the activity interferes with what you SHOULD be doing, it's a disease. Otherwise, it's a hobby.
I won't, because it's not that simple. And that is not necessarily true. There's also a lot in terms of judgement calls involved. Although another possibility ths person hasn't considered exists. Maybe she likes the game more than him, or isn't as interested in him as she was and uses the game as an excuse to avoid him.
As a former treatment professional, this is the first response I saw that made sense in terms of how addiction works.
People who are addicted to anything may have a chemical imbalance, but if they're addicted to something like this, it is likely she is using it as a crutch instead of dealing with other problems. Her life may be unfulfilling or she may just not deal well with reality. If this is a true addiction, and you aren't just using hyperbole, then she likely needs professional help. HOWEVER, she has to make the decision that she has a problem and seek help. If she is just doing it because you push her into it, she is doing it for you and not for herself, and a relapse would be easy.
Remember that now it is a problem for you, but not for her. It makes her happy and causes no problems for her, that she can see. You can't change another person. You can only hope they see they have a problem and seek help. If she never realizes she has a problem, then you won't be able to do anything effective and it may be time to move on.
Yeah, but when the gears slip out of place on several of our Babbage Mark I systems, the only thing that holds the rods in place is duct tape.
But we've been reading up on a faste and smaller replacement for our Babbage Differential Engines that don't have many moving parts. We might just upgrade to them. They say the new thingies can even interact with some kind of fishing net or something. They say they've replaced the gears with some kind of glass tubes that light up and glow when it's on.
Oh, and the dog wouldn't chew any asses, except he's well trained. Someone tells him to "Eat my shorts," and he does.
I keep a roll in a box on the wall, behind a glass panel, with "Break glass in case of emergency" on it. Every 6 months it is checked for stickiness when the fire extinguishers are checked.
You make some interesting points, but you seem to have overlooked one important fact:
The PRIME way Fox makes money on their shows is advertising dollars. If they offered downloads, they'd make money that way, but it is the production company itself that makes money on the toys, DVDs, and other merchandise. Now, if Fox is the production company, then, yes, they do make money on the merchandise. I don't think that is the case, though, for Futurama, Family Guy, or Firefly.
They kept moving it around and putting it in times like after football games. I never knew if it was on or not, and just couldn't keep up with it. I'd set the VCR and it might or might not get it, even if it were on -- or might get the first x minutes of it because the game delayed it. I'd set the VCR for longer time, but that didn't always work because there were other shows I'd tape.
So, after a while, I couldn't tell if it was on or not and, after one time where it wasn't on for several weeks, I thought it was cancelled. I don't watch a lot of tv, so I wouldn't see ads for it, even if they were shown.
If Fox had just given that (and Family Guy) a real timeslot where you could see it every week, maybe they'd have made more money off it.
But, then again, this is the network that told Joss Whedon they were going to start showing Firefly without the pilot movie, then couldn't figure out why it got low ratings and also cancelled John Doe after one season.
I avoid shows on Fox (and anything on sci-fi other than Stargate and Galactica for the same reasons) because I know if it is at all interesting, it'll take 2nd billing to all the crap they *think* will get high ratings, they'll never give it a real chance or promote it much then wonder why nobody watches and cancel it.
If networks want to play games like that, I've got other things to do in life. I'll wait and catch the series in re-runs or buy it on DVD so the producers and not a crappy network (like Fox or SciFi) gets money from it.
This is an excellent point. You're responsible for keeping all the chickens in the coop and well behaved, but your boss keeps opening up the gate, taking eggs, and letting them out -- and then YOU have to take the blame.
Another thought, as well: there may be a good chance your boss simply doesn't have the background needed to understand a good way to use versioning or bug tracking. He may not want them because he is scared he'll look foolish if you install them and he doesn't know how to use them. Maybe you could work out some scripts and aliases that you could set up to make them work simply and easily and let him see how easy they are to use. If he can do it without feeling like an idiot or being afraid he's doing something wrong, he might change his mind.
But if that isn't the case, he's holding you responsible for mistakes he may make and you're better off working somewhere else before his ID-10T errors fsck up YOUR resume.
I only meant that seeing other people helps you think about something else for a while.
And part of my point is that often does not work. If someone is clinically depressed, they don't have the energy to deal with seeing other people. They barely have the energy to get out of bed and get to work each day. Dealing with other people can seem as huge a challenge as climbing a mountain and often a depressed person simply does not have the energy to face it or even enough energy to care enough to consider it. Depression can be that debilitating.
I hope it doesn't, but there are a lot of judgemental people here who mod something as troll simply because it's not what they want to hear. I don't consider myself a Christian, but I am a Quaker. I was an athiest and even, at one point, a fundamentalist. Faith can be a very important factor in life. There is also a gulf between faith and science, and both sides often have a poor understanding of the other (just listen to comments in the recent Intelligent Design debate to see how the ID people have no clue about the scientific method). Science describes what can be explained through nature and faith is a way of understand what science cannnot explain. The two should not be entangled or confused, but a focus on one should not, out of ignorance, preclude a focus on the other.
As someone who was deeply depressed, I'm glad that you foudn a way out and added something valuable to your life. It is not the same faith as mine, but that does not make one right and the other wrong. If it works for you, that is great.
But I wouldn't be surprised if many here indicate they don't understand the point of faith.
If you only have mild/seasonal depression, my personal opinion is that chemicals would probably do you more harm than good.
Yes. I should have mentioned that, but I was trying to be brief -- and, to be honest, as a human, it is easier for me to talk about what I had and what I had to deal with in patients when I worked in treatment. In those cases, SAD was never an issue, so, to be honest, sometimes I overlook it.
Studies have shown that living a healthy lifestyle decreases your likeliness of getting depressed even if you are naturally prone to depression.
In general I agree, but there are often uncontrollable factors. If you're trying to be healthy, but have an extreme work situation, that can overwhelm all the other points -- and once that "overwhelming" starts, it can be a very rough downward spiral, leading to not caring to exercise or keep a healthy focus.
One point I've heard, but haven't seen tested, is that it can help to get sunlight around either sunrise or sunset so the body's clock will be reset to the current cycle. I know this works for travellers dealing with jet lag, and I've heard it can help depressed people refocus their cycle, but I have yet to see any proof or talk to someone who tried it with depression in mind.
Sleep patterns are important, but can be disrupted easily and if there is any stress or any other trigger, for someone prone to depression, that can create the downward spiral I mentioned.
Personally, for me, the one big thing that made a difference was when I finally got control of my life, which included getting rid of bitchy girlfriends (or even ones that just treated me poorly), and getting out of jobs where I had little input and starting a business where I actually had control over what happened and there was a direct link to my decisions and work and their effects on my life improving. Now I don't even get sick (unless I work to exhaustion) and don't take any medication other than 2-3 aspirins a year.
But it is still easy for me to remember what depression was like -- the lack of energy, the inability to care about anything, the struggle to get out of bed each day, the emotional and physical pain, the sleeping for up to 16 hours a day, and, especially, and worst of all, the idiots who wanted to blame me and thought all I had to do was "just snap out of it."
BTW, thanks for an insightful post -- especially your last 3 words! It is frustrting to see, in a forum where most people are supposedly well educated, so many post by people that want to "blame the victim" and say things like, "Just stop feeling sorry for yourself."
But the connection does not show that one causes the other.
Depression is an illness, has been proven and has predictable, measureable effects.
Telling people to get out sounds good, but it's just a way of blaming them instead of acknowldeging there is a problem and this often makes them mroe depressed. If the parent poster, and the others in this thread don't believe that, then maybe a little research would help.
Depression is a real illness, a real problem, and one that has been proven over and over. I know. I used to work in treatment and saw it over and over. I even went through it. If you havne't been there, you simply don't know. To be honest, your statement shows you have no clue what is going on with depression, but it also shows so much hostility that it makes me wonder if this topic doesn't touch on a sensitive spot for you. (why else would you make such a strong negative statement?)
Telling a depressed person to "quit feeling sorry for yourself", or to "just deal with it," or to "get over it," or to "get out and do things" does NOT work. I never believed this until I went through it. Depression means emotional pain a person who hasn't been there can't believe or undrestand. It often means physical pain, sleeping many hours a day (for me it was 14 or more!) and a lethargy that is almost unbelievable. You can give a person like that medication, but then they often don't care enough or don't have enough energy to remember to take it regularly. While symptoms vary from person to person, a person with clinical depression is usually literally incapable of doing anything other than laying around and feeling sorry for him/herself. Think of a person so depressed they don't see a chance of life getting better and can't imagine things being good enough that the pain is bearable. They have no reason or motivation to take their meds or to do anything to get better.
That is what clinical depression is like and for most, they simply can't do what you suggest. The only way out is often only to go through it (and not suicide) or meds -- assuming there is someone to make sure meds are taken when needed until the patient is doing well enough to keep up with them or that there is a way for them to make sure they get all the needed meds, even when too tired to care about them.
Not just BBC (as in Radio 4, as the parent points to), but if you do a search for "Old Time Radio", or OTR as it is sometimes called, you can find quite a bit. I just downloaded several days worth of MP3s of Sherlock Holmes, some done with Rathbone, some with Conway, and many others playing Holmes and Watson. While the best links were on, I believe, the Londian Sherlockian Society, there are other places to obtain these particular recordings.
But don't think it's just Sherlock Holmes shows. I've been a fan of old time radio since I first heard episodes of the Lone Ranger in the early 1970s. By then most dramatic radio productions were off the air, but there are hundreds of sites that offer recordings of shows broadcast up through the 50s, or, in some cases, even some that were on the air later. Once you search and find a few of these sites, believe me, you will never have a shortage of fictional stories to listen to again -- even if you live to be 100! I'd provide links, but there's just too many to pick from. Just Google for terms like OTR and Old Time Radio. From there, I'm sure you'll get more ideas.
Doesn't X11 refer to the OLD X server and X.org refer to the new one that used the X11 code, but didn't have the licensing problem many people had issues with?
In practicality? Nothing. Anyone in end-user land will be using prepackaged distros with auto installs that set it all up automatically, and almost all such distros have moved or are moving to X.org.
For those that still "roll your own" with Linux, it may mean something, but X11 is moving more and more out of the main stream and into the non-user and highly geek distros only -- and even there, I know many Debian users, for example, who are eager to switch to X.org.
Slashdot Mirror
I will probably be modded to troll for saying this, since I've noticed that on Slashdot there are many people who are so busy being right they aren't secure enough to listen to a disagreeing opinion.
There are a lot of people here who seem to feel that because they can figure out how to do something, they have the right to do it. "I can, therefore I should be allowed to," would sum it up. It's a group that feels that if you lose your job, you are justified in taking revenge, legal or illegal. While losing a job is a rough experience, it's part of life. Businesses change and let people go. If you're not a big enough person to accept it and move on, then maybe you weren't responsible enough to accept the job in the first palce.
Yes, he should go to jail, but those that feel that they are, somehow because of their superior technical skills, some part of a "hacking elite" that should be able to break any laws they consider wrong (read: laws that are in their way, since, in their minds they are always right) and should be able to do so without consequence.
It's a shame because such people really make it harder for the rest of us, both in discussions here and in life in general.
Yes. Or people that have sprains and don't need a crutch but want one or insist on it.
A crutch is something to lean on, something to support one's weight instead of the person supporting themselves. The most often seen use is for people with an injured leg, but there are many times people use a crutch when they don't need one. They just don't want to face the effort and/or pain in fully supporting themselves. The same is true when you're talking about psychological crutches -- in fact more so.
And that is a point I was making: your experience is limited -- especially if you've never seen someone not facing the pain of rehabilitiation.
As to your experience and mine coinciding, my experience includes many of the patients I dealt with in treatment situations in the institutions I worked in as well as the physical therapists I worked with and all the other trained professionals I worked with who worked with people recovering from mental and physical problems and injuries. In my original post I pointed out I worked as a treatment professional. Perhaps you didn't realize that many timese those working in one form of treatment deal with a lot of overlap when working with or dealing with other people in other fields of treatment. Often I'd have to work with teachers, PTs, OTs, special aides, and other people in a full treatment team. If you've spent much time working in treatment, that's a given. When I qualified myself as a professional, maybe I should have also pointed out that pretty much anyone (at least anyone I ever worked with) who works in treatment works with people in multiple fields and soon learns a great deal about all the involved fields. Considering I was using a metaphor that is commonly used on today's society, I figured most people would understand the context of the reference.
BTW, I like the name. Say "Hi" to Harvey for me.
people do not use crutches rather than face the pain of rehabilitation.
Oh. Okay. I see. You expect everyone throughout the world to behave exactly as you expect from your experience. So if it is in your experience it is true. Otherwise it just doesn't happen.
Yes, you have a point, but one that is only true in a very limited part of reality and when you look at all of reality, there is more to it than that.
If someone is color blind and sees only black and white, there is no way you'll ever successfully explain the difference between red and green.
A metaphor is a comparison to help an explanation. That does not mean the metaphor is literally the same.
For example, someone might need a crutch, but after a while, instead of using the leg and letting it get stronger, they always use the crutch instead of facing the pain of rehabilitation. That's where the metaphor comes from.
But trying to help a person who can only understand literal meanings is like trying to explain green to that person who sees black and white and not even gray: they just cannot make the leap to understand it.
If you have to take the metaphor that literally, then you don't get it.
It's that simple.
Go ahead and push her, if you think she has a problem.
You're either trolling, or you don't know what you're talking about and think your one experience is going to be like all others in situations anywhere near similar. It is for those who have a hammer so they think every problem is a nail.
You don't know what went thorugh your girlfriend's mind and what lead to the situation. It may be that she was considering going, but didn't want to tell you and maybe you don't want to acknowledge that it might have been your need to control her that created the situation in the first place. From what you said, she just might be better off without you in her life.
tell him that if the activity interferes with what you SHOULD be doing, it's a disease. Otherwise, it's a hobby.
I won't, because it's not that simple. And that is not necessarily true. There's also a lot in terms of judgement calls involved. Although another possibility ths person hasn't considered exists. Maybe she likes the game more than him, or isn't as interested in him as she was and uses the game as an excuse to avoid him.
As a former treatment professional, this is the first response I saw that made sense in terms of how addiction works.
People who are addicted to anything may have a chemical imbalance, but if they're addicted to something like this, it is likely she is using it as a crutch instead of dealing with other problems. Her life may be unfulfilling or she may just not deal well with reality. If this is a true addiction, and you aren't just using hyperbole, then she likely needs professional help. HOWEVER, she has to make the decision that she has a problem and seek help. If she is just doing it because you push her into it, she is doing it for you and not for herself, and a relapse would be easy.
Remember that now it is a problem for you, but not for her. It makes her happy and causes no problems for her, that she can see. You can't change another person. You can only hope they see they have a problem and seek help. If she never realizes she has a problem, then you won't be able to do anything effective and it may be time to move on.
Something like that, but the ones they sold us were plastic!
Well, at least we know where there's a similar design so we can sneak in and scavenge it for parts when we need to.
No duct tape on my 'puters
Yeah, but when the gears slip out of place on several of our Babbage Mark I systems, the only thing that holds the rods in place is duct tape.
But we've been reading up on a faste and smaller replacement for our Babbage Differential Engines that don't have many moving parts. We might just upgrade to them. They say the new thingies can even interact with some kind of fishing net or something. They say they've replaced the gears with some kind of glass tubes that light up and glow when it's on.
Oh, and the dog wouldn't chew any asses, except he's well trained. Someone tells him to "Eat my shorts," and he does.
I guess you've got fewer 'puters to fix than we do.
Eat my shorts
Plus some smart alec in the office keeps getting his boxer's chewed on and we have to keep patching them.
The tape behind the glass IS the backup tape -- for emergency use only.
In case we've gone through the other 50 rolls we always keep on hand. once we get below 20, we reorder.
Ah, yes.
The handyman's secret weapon.
I keep a roll in a box on the wall, behind a glass panel, with "Break glass in case of emergency" on it. Every 6 months it is checked for stickiness when the fire extinguishers are checked.
You make some interesting points, but you seem to have overlooked one important fact:
The PRIME way Fox makes money on their shows is advertising dollars. If they offered downloads, they'd make money that way, but it is the production company itself that makes money on the toys, DVDs, and other merchandise. Now, if Fox is the production company, then, yes, they do make money on the merchandise. I don't think that is the case, though, for Futurama, Family Guy, or Firefly.
I think it was because of people like me.
They kept moving it around and putting it in times like after football games. I never knew if it was on or not, and just couldn't keep up with it. I'd set the VCR and it might or might not get it, even if it were on -- or might get the first x minutes of it because the game delayed it. I'd set the VCR for longer time, but that didn't always work because there were other shows I'd tape.
So, after a while, I couldn't tell if it was on or not and, after one time where it wasn't on for several weeks, I thought it was cancelled. I don't watch a lot of tv, so I wouldn't see ads for it, even if they were shown.
If Fox had just given that (and Family Guy) a real timeslot where you could see it every week, maybe they'd have made more money off it.
But, then again, this is the network that told Joss Whedon they were going to start showing Firefly without the pilot movie, then couldn't figure out why it got low ratings and also cancelled John Doe after one season.
I avoid shows on Fox (and anything on sci-fi other than Stargate and Galactica for the same reasons) because I know if it is at all interesting, it'll take 2nd billing to all the crap they *think* will get high ratings, they'll never give it a real chance or promote it much then wonder why nobody watches and cancel it.
If networks want to play games like that, I've got other things to do in life. I'll wait and catch the series in re-runs or buy it on DVD so the producers and not a crappy network (like Fox or SciFi) gets money from it.
This is an excellent point. You're responsible for keeping all the chickens in the coop and well behaved, but your boss keeps opening up the gate, taking eggs, and letting them out -- and then YOU have to take the blame.
Another thought, as well: there may be a good chance your boss simply doesn't have the background needed to understand a good way to use versioning or bug tracking. He may not want them because he is scared he'll look foolish if you install them and he doesn't know how to use them. Maybe you could work out some scripts and aliases that you could set up to make them work simply and easily and let him see how easy they are to use. If he can do it without feeling like an idiot or being afraid he's doing something wrong, he might change his mind.
But if that isn't the case, he's holding you responsible for mistakes he may make and you're better off working somewhere else before his ID-10T errors fsck up YOUR resume.
I only meant that seeing other people helps you think about something else for a while.
And part of my point is that often does not work. If someone is clinically depressed, they don't have the energy to deal with seeing other people. They barely have the energy to get out of bed and get to work each day. Dealing with other people can seem as huge a challenge as climbing a mountain and often a depressed person simply does not have the energy to face it or even enough energy to care enough to consider it. Depression can be that debilitating.
This will probably get modded way down
I hope it doesn't, but there are a lot of judgemental people here who mod something as troll simply because it's not what they want to hear. I don't consider myself a Christian, but I am a Quaker. I was an athiest and even, at one point, a fundamentalist. Faith can be a very important factor in life. There is also a gulf between faith and science, and both sides often have a poor understanding of the other (just listen to comments in the recent Intelligent Design debate to see how the ID people have no clue about the scientific method). Science describes what can be explained through nature and faith is a way of understand what science cannnot explain. The two should not be entangled or confused, but a focus on one should not, out of ignorance, preclude a focus on the other.
As someone who was deeply depressed, I'm glad that you foudn a way out and added something valuable to your life. It is not the same faith as mine, but that does not make one right and the other wrong. If it works for you, that is great.
But I wouldn't be surprised if many here indicate they don't understand the point of faith.
If you only have mild/seasonal depression, my personal opinion is that chemicals would probably do you more harm than good.
Yes. I should have mentioned that, but I was trying to be brief -- and, to be honest, as a human, it is easier for me to talk about what I had and what I had to deal with in patients when I worked in treatment. In those cases, SAD was never an issue, so, to be honest, sometimes I overlook it.
Studies have shown that living a healthy lifestyle decreases your likeliness of getting depressed even if you are naturally prone to depression.
In general I agree, but there are often uncontrollable factors. If you're trying to be healthy, but have an extreme work situation, that can overwhelm all the other points -- and once that "overwhelming" starts, it can be a very rough downward spiral, leading to not caring to exercise or keep a healthy focus.
One point I've heard, but haven't seen tested, is that it can help to get sunlight around either sunrise or sunset so the body's clock will be reset to the current cycle. I know this works for travellers dealing with jet lag, and I've heard it can help depressed people refocus their cycle, but I have yet to see any proof or talk to someone who tried it with depression in mind.
Sleep patterns are important, but can be disrupted easily and if there is any stress or any other trigger, for someone prone to depression, that can create the downward spiral I mentioned.
Personally, for me, the one big thing that made a difference was when I finally got control of my life, which included getting rid of bitchy girlfriends (or even ones that just treated me poorly), and getting out of jobs where I had little input and starting a business where I actually had control over what happened and there was a direct link to my decisions and work and their effects on my life improving. Now I don't even get sick (unless I work to exhaustion) and don't take any medication other than 2-3 aspirins a year.
But it is still easy for me to remember what depression was like -- the lack of energy, the inability to care about anything, the struggle to get out of bed each day, the emotional and physical pain, the sleeping for up to 16 hours a day, and, especially, and worst of all, the idiots who wanted to blame me and thought all I had to do was "just snap out of it."
BTW, thanks for an insightful post -- especially your last 3 words! It is frustrting to see, in a forum where most people are supposedly well educated, so many post by people that want to "blame the victim" and say things like, "Just stop feeling sorry for yourself."
But the connection does not show that one causes the other.
Depression is an illness, has been proven and has predictable, measureable effects.
Telling people to get out sounds good, but it's just a way of blaming them instead of acknowldeging there is a problem and this often makes them mroe depressed. If the parent poster, and the others in this thread don't believe that, then maybe a little research would help.
Depression is a real illness, a real problem, and one that has been proven over and over. I know. I used to work in treatment and saw it over and over. I even went through it. If you havne't been there, you simply don't know. To be honest, your statement shows you have no clue what is going on with depression, but it also shows so much hostility that it makes me wonder if this topic doesn't touch on a sensitive spot for you. (why else would you make such a strong negative statement?)
Telling a depressed person to "quit feeling sorry for yourself", or to "just deal with it," or to "get over it," or to "get out and do things" does NOT work. I never believed this until I went through it. Depression means emotional pain a person who hasn't been there can't believe or undrestand. It often means physical pain, sleeping many hours a day (for me it was 14 or more!) and a lethargy that is almost unbelievable. You can give a person like that medication, but then they often don't care enough or don't have enough energy to remember to take it regularly. While symptoms vary from person to person, a person with clinical depression is usually literally incapable of doing anything other than laying around and feeling sorry for him/herself. Think of a person so depressed they don't see a chance of life getting better and can't imagine things being good enough that the pain is bearable. They have no reason or motivation to take their meds or to do anything to get better.
That is what clinical depression is like and for most, they simply can't do what you suggest. The only way out is often only to go through it (and not suicide) or meds -- assuming there is someone to make sure meds are taken when needed until the patient is doing well enough to keep up with them or that there is a way for them to make sure they get all the needed meds, even when too tired to care about them.
Not just BBC (as in Radio 4, as the parent points to), but if you do a search for "Old Time Radio", or OTR as it is sometimes called, you can find quite a bit. I just downloaded several days worth of MP3s of Sherlock Holmes, some done with Rathbone, some with Conway, and many others playing Holmes and Watson. While the best links were on, I believe, the Londian Sherlockian Society, there are other places to obtain these particular recordings.
But don't think it's just Sherlock Holmes shows. I've been a fan of old time radio since I first heard episodes of the Lone Ranger in the early 1970s. By then most dramatic radio productions were off the air, but there are hundreds of sites that offer recordings of shows broadcast up through the 50s, or, in some cases, even some that were on the air later. Once you search and find a few of these sites, believe me, you will never have a shortage of fictional stories to listen to again -- even if you live to be 100! I'd provide links, but there's just too many to pick from. Just Google for terms like OTR and Old Time Radio. From there, I'm sure you'll get more ideas.
Okay, maybe I have it screwed up.
Doesn't X11 refer to the OLD X server and X.org refer to the new one that used the X11 code, but didn't have the licensing problem many people had issues with?
What does this mean for me as an end user?
In practicality? Nothing. Anyone in end-user land will be using prepackaged distros with auto installs that set it all up automatically, and almost all such distros have moved or are moving to X.org.
For those that still "roll your own" with Linux, it may mean something, but X11 is moving more and more out of the main stream and into the non-user and highly geek distros only -- and even there, I know many Debian users, for example, who are eager to switch to X.org.
Yes, it is a nice name.
So I suppose we can now have safe hex while using Insecure-net Explorer?
Or does it make it just another toy that just needs a good cleaning regularly?