Yep. You have to die to get service around here...
My question is:
1. Who looks out for the public interest? And how do we get public interest to the table?
2. What rights to users have as contractors?
3. Why are our bankrupcy laws so archiac that they can defy the public interest and cause damage to innocent parties?
The entire telecommunications manufacturing, telecom delivery, and software industries, and e-commerce sectors - and the U.S. economy as a whole are being damaged and further threatenned by a headless AT&T and a bunch of greedy cable companies!
So my last question is:
4. Which luddite numbskull lobby-debt-ladden ideologue in the White House thinks this is in any way good for the economy or that it can be fixed by simply having another "tax break?"
Or Sweden
http://www.acc.umu.se/~tfytbk/mattgrand/
Or Palo Alto:
http://www.wbsmith.com/FTTH/statuslog.html
Or visited the Nikkei's Asiz Biz Tech site:
http://www.nikkeibp.asiabiztech.com/newsc.html
Look, don't believe Cringley on this one. He's usually very good. But on this he so far off base Tom Candioti could pick him off with a knuckle ball.
Cringley is either very confused or just doesn't read his e-mail. Or both. I sent him a long note about Huxley IA's FTTH over 3 months ago when he did his last article on Broadband. Apparently, he has totally ignored it. Here's an article about Huxley in Broadband Week.
http://www.broadbandweek.com/news/010305/010305_ ca ble_hux.htm
It's not Broadband that's dead. It's the Baby Bells who are dead! Our government currently chooses to let the Baby Bells rule, giving them near monopoly powers over Internet access in this country. (By the way, I don't think we need to call them "Babys" anymore. "Bohemuth" would be better).
There are U.S.manufacturers building optical switches that run above 3GBs (that's "GigaBits per second"). We've got at least two FTTH connector manufacturers in the U.S. that deliver home service at from 100MBs to 500MBs.
The average modem user gets 28-56Kbs and Cringlly is smoking bananas if he thinks such devices are some kind of solution.
I myself have Sprint Broadband which is a mere 5Mbs download - but thats still about 2000 times faster than what my modem was running. It's also 50 times faster than what Northpoint was running before our local Bohemuth Bell (SBC) killed Northpoint.
What can you do: If you want high speed Internet, I suggest you take a look at the FTTH links, go to Google or:
http://biz.yahoo.com/industry
and type in "fiber" or "FTTH."
Then get up from your chair, go to your municipal government, and form your own CLEC. Then put out bids for your connection service.
In the mean time, Broadband is alive and well and living in Korea. And Shanghai. And Charleston South Carolina.
Will FTTH ever reach Cringley? Will it ever reach you?
The real question is: Will you ever reach FTTH?
(FTTH stands for "Fiber To The Home." ftth.org and ftth.com are Korean Web sites. Welcome to the real world, Mr. Cringley.).
I don't see why you say the OSS community has some "mistrust of Java and Sun and anything related to them." This description seems both dismissive, and inflamatory. It depends on a somewhat exclusionary view of OSS - a view that I would categorize as "misguided" to say the least.
I'm not saying you should or should not use PHP or advocate using PHP, but I think your statement about OSS could be a lot kinder.
Tomcat itself is open source!
Or do you not include Apache in your "open source definition?" And many products based on Tomcat are open source!
Or don't they count because they aren't written in PHP? You've apparently dug some mental Grand Canyon between non-Java open source and Java-based open source so that one can be called OSS while and the other is called "mistrusted?"
It sounds like you're awefully angry and I'm sure there are people who will agree with you, but I'm not one of them. You say:
o "Anything you can do in JSP you can do in ASP and..."
I simply don't agree. The JSP/Servlet layer enables you to build systems using both extensible MVC framework and patterns plus use and XML. ASP doesn't. No such software design has been provided in ASP. Now ASP will be supported by OO languages and Microsoft has the opportunity to use and incorporate patterns. However the people responsible for ASP have spent the past five years ignoring the only OO languages Microsoft had: Visual Foxpro and J++. So its anyones guess as to whether ideas like MVC, cohesion, and decoupling are on their agenda yet.
o They are "insanely difficult to debug"
Have you considered that you're possibly making erroneous assumptions about what JSPs are or how they work? This is easy to do. Many people think JSPs are just kind of some sugar coated HTML. In fact, the lack of coherence in language design of such scripting facilities kept me away from them for a long time.
Also, I would think that your not being familiar with Java could make you seriously frustrated with JSP.
One of my early takes on JSP was that it was a way to avoid writing Java. When you instead look at JSP as a time-saving facade for programmers who actually *do* know Java, it takes on a completely different meaning.
o The hammer vs. nail thing and the "management loves it" thing.
Been there done that. These are "everyone here's against what I want and they just don't understand" positions. The hammer/nail thing applies to any new solution - there are going to be people who advocate using the same solution for everything, large or small - because that's what they know about. And "Management" is a word used by people who unfortunately have bad managers. (See bad-managers.com "True stories of disasterous projects and cowboy managers").
Both Hammer/nail and "management loves it" has be said about mainframes, about Microsoft and about Visual Basic.
Most recently, I've even seen it about C++. And before that C. And both attitudes helped kill the companies that held them.
Originally, although I was coming from a somewhat different place from you, I felt the same way about JSP - that it was designed to be "like" Microsoft's ASP and that was not the right approach. But now I think JSP has proved its worth. There are people who have been successful with JSP, have put a lot of time into it, and have benefited from it.
I'm glad you are successful with PHP. But there also going to be many who will resent you for calling JSP a "f_____ stupid technology." I don't think it's worth swearing at or asking others to "stamp it out" for you.
In fact, although I'm definitely not the worlds number one JSP advocate, I even resent your swearing and hostility at JSP and at Tomcat, since the fact that you put this in the Tomcat thread, and at all the people who have worked hard to make Tomcat work.
So, if it was your intention suck someone in with your negativity and make them upset just because you're upset at people you had to work with - then congratulations. You've succeeded.
My only advise is, express your feelings to them. Or let it go. Or both. There are too many good things to do and not enough time to do them to be stay hostile at a whole technology.
I'm sorry that it didn't work for you, and I do know the feeling.
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Yep. You have to die to get service around here...
My question is:
1. Who looks out for the public interest? And how do we get public interest to the table?
2. What rights to users have as contractors?
3. Why are our bankrupcy laws so archiac that they can defy the public interest and cause damage to innocent parties?
The entire telecommunications manufacturing, telecom delivery, and software industries, and e-commerce sectors - and the U.S. economy as a whole are being damaged and further threatenned by a headless AT&T and a bunch of greedy cable companies!
So my last question is:
4. Which luddite numbskull lobby-debt-ladden ideologue in the White House thinks this is in any way good for the economy or that it can be fixed by simply having another "tax break?"
Huxley, Iowa:_ ca ble_hux.htm
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http://www.broadbandweek.com/news/010305/010305
Palo Alto:
http://www.wbsmith.com/fiber.html
Clarksville and numerous other CLEC communities in TN, GA, AL, AR:
http://www.atlantic-engineering.com/projects.ht
Access Routers:
http://www.opticalsolutions.com/
http://www.alloptic.com/
1-866-ALLOPTIC (255-6784)
Approximately 50 fiber optic companies
www.ftthcouncil.org
Or Sweden
_ ca ble_hux.htm
http://www.acc.umu.se/~tfytbk/mattgrand/
Or Palo Alto:
http://www.wbsmith.com/FTTH/statuslog.html
Or visited the Nikkei's Asiz Biz Tech site:
http://www.nikkeibp.asiabiztech.com/newsc.html
Look, don't believe Cringley on this one. He's usually very good. But on this he so far off base Tom Candioti could pick him off with a knuckle ball.
Cringley is either very confused or just doesn't read his e-mail. Or both. I sent him a long note about Huxley IA's FTTH over 3 months ago when he did his last article on Broadband. Apparently, he has totally ignored it. Here's an article about Huxley in Broadband Week.
http://www.broadbandweek.com/news/010305/010305
It's not Broadband that's dead. It's the Baby Bells who are dead! Our government currently chooses to let the Baby Bells rule, giving them near monopoly powers over Internet access in this country. (By the way, I don't think we need to call them "Babys" anymore. "Bohemuth" would be better).
There are U.S.manufacturers building optical switches that run above 3GBs (that's "GigaBits per second"). We've got at least two FTTH connector manufacturers in the U.S. that deliver home service at from 100MBs to 500MBs.
The average modem user gets 28-56Kbs and Cringlly is smoking bananas if he thinks such devices are some kind of solution.
I myself have Sprint Broadband which is a mere 5Mbs download - but thats still about 2000 times faster than what my modem was running. It's also 50 times faster than what Northpoint was running before our local Bohemuth Bell (SBC) killed Northpoint.
What can you do: If you want high speed Internet, I suggest you take a look at the FTTH links, go to Google or:
http://biz.yahoo.com/industry
and type in "fiber" or "FTTH."
Then get up from your chair, go to your municipal government, and form your own CLEC. Then put out bids for your connection service.
In the mean time, Broadband is alive and well and living in Korea. And Shanghai. And Charleston South Carolina.
Will FTTH ever reach Cringley? Will it ever reach you?
The real question is: Will you ever reach FTTH?
(FTTH stands for "Fiber To The Home." ftth.org and ftth.com are Korean Web sites. Welcome to the real world, Mr. Cringley.).
Regards,
Rich Katz
Java Skyline
www.javaskyline.com
Broadband U.S? It hasn't been born yet.
I don't see why you say the OSS community has some "mistrust of Java and Sun and anything related to them." This description seems both dismissive, and inflamatory. It depends on a somewhat exclusionary view of OSS - a view that I would categorize as "misguided" to say the least.
I'm not saying you should or should not use PHP or advocate using PHP, but I think your statement about OSS could be a lot kinder.
Tomcat itself is open source!
Or do you not include Apache in your "open source definition?" And many products based on Tomcat are open source!
Or don't they count because they aren't written in PHP? You've apparently dug some mental Grand Canyon between non-Java open source and Java-based open source so that one can be called OSS while and the other is called "mistrusted?"
Regards,
Rich Katz
Hello Curly,
It sounds like you're awefully angry and I'm sure there are people who will agree with you, but I'm not one of them. You say:
o "Anything you can do in JSP you can do in ASP and..."
I simply don't agree. The JSP/Servlet layer enables you to build systems using both extensible MVC framework and patterns plus use and XML. ASP doesn't. No such software design has been provided in ASP. Now ASP will be supported by OO languages and Microsoft has the opportunity to use and incorporate patterns. However the people responsible for ASP have spent the past five years ignoring the only OO languages Microsoft had: Visual Foxpro and J++. So its anyones guess as to whether ideas like MVC, cohesion, and decoupling are on their agenda yet.
o They are "insanely difficult to debug"
Have you considered that you're possibly making erroneous assumptions about what JSPs are or how they work? This is easy to do. Many people think JSPs are just kind of some sugar coated HTML. In fact, the lack of coherence in language design of such scripting facilities kept me away from them for a long time.
Also, I would think that your not being familiar with Java could make you seriously frustrated with JSP.
One of my early takes on JSP was that it was a way to avoid writing Java. When you instead look at JSP as a time-saving facade for programmers who actually *do* know Java, it takes on a completely different meaning.
o The hammer vs. nail thing and the "management loves it" thing.
Been there done that. These are "everyone here's against what I want and they just don't understand" positions. The hammer/nail thing applies to any new solution - there are going to be people who advocate using the same solution for everything, large or small - because that's what they know about. And "Management" is a word used by people who unfortunately have bad managers. (See bad-managers.com "True stories of disasterous projects and cowboy managers").
Both Hammer/nail and "management loves it" has be said about mainframes, about Microsoft and about Visual Basic.
Most recently, I've even seen it about C++. And before that C. And both attitudes helped kill the companies that held them.
Originally, although I was coming from a somewhat different place from you, I felt the same way about JSP - that it was designed to be "like" Microsoft's ASP and that was not the right approach. But now I think JSP has proved its worth. There are people who have been successful with JSP, have put a lot of time into it, and have benefited from it.
I'm glad you are successful with PHP. But there also going to be many who will resent you for calling JSP a "f_____ stupid technology." I don't think it's worth swearing at or asking others to "stamp it out" for you.
In fact, although I'm definitely not the worlds number one JSP advocate, I even resent your swearing and hostility at JSP and at Tomcat, since the fact that you put this in the Tomcat thread, and at all the people who have worked hard to make Tomcat work.
So, if it was your intention suck someone in with your negativity and make them upset just because you're upset at people you had to work with - then congratulations. You've succeeded.
My only advise is, express your feelings to them. Or let it go. Or both. There are too many good things to do and not enough time to do them to be stay hostile at a whole technology.
I'm sorry that it didn't work for you, and I do know the feeling.
Regards and best wishes,
Rich Katz
Try Java Skyline: Learn JSP and Learn Servlets:
http://www.javaskyline.com/learnjsp.html
http://www.javaskyline.com/learnservlets.html
These pages are both tutorials and guides to Web learning resources on JSP and Servlets.
Regards,
Rich Katz
I'm sure Jon appreciates you for it. I'm glad to see he can inspire so many people such as yourself.
But tell me something. Just why are you waiting for Jon on an Apache/Jakarta Tomcat thread?
No, I'm not a immediate relative, but I did go a birthday party of his once.
Regards,
Rich Katz