I've seen a lot of pro-nuclear advocacy on this site, and I feel that people need to have a perspective on what that choice represents. It's opportunity cost. That's a term for when you give up your chances on one side in the pursuit of another. If your choices are poor your loss includes what you did not pursue when you had the chance.
Right now we have gotten wind down to where it has much to offer and very little drawback. Laddermills can provide power 24-7. Offshore windfarms have been heavily studied and show little impact. A better grid could distribute the uneven power effectively. Ribbon generators and windbelts can, in arrays, compete with solar panels.
Where heat is needed we can concentrate solar thermal energy, whether through passive solar buildings, solar towers and troughs which heat molten salts to 1000 degrees Fahrenheit for storage in insulated tanks to drive turbines 24/7. You can even get hot water from running hoses through a compost pile - several compositions yield a proven 140 degree internal temperature and you're getting fertile soil too.
If you do in fact need electricity, solar panels on a microgrid close to their point of demand circumvent our hugely wasteful grid with its losses due to resistance and the unnecessary surplus generated by redundancy of huge, centralized powerplants.
These are not perfect, but when you consider the subsidies fossil fuels and nuclear plants require, the wars being waged to control their supply, and the costs of pollution whether we're paying them now or ignoring it at the peril of future generations, we are being very foolish to waver in the pursuit of a resilient, safe energy supply.
In the words of Bill Maher on offshore wind turbines: "You know what happens when windmills collapse into the sea? A splash."
To that I would ask if you ever watched Red Dawn when you were young, and contemplated what you'd do to defend your homeland, and in the present recollected whose country is where. No occupation stays moral for long for that very reason.
Also towards that, does training defer moral responsibility? It may blur its edges but how can it? We've murdered a huge number of Iraqi civilians, contaminated their cities with depleted uranium which has a half-life longer than we can expect life on earth to last, all for reasons that were shown to be wrong or deceitful.
You can't take life like that and shrug off the responsibility onto protocol for people in their own homeland where they've a right to be, and you don't.
"what a dumb statement... if the British were able to get a hold of them, the WOULD have be hung... in case you forgot, a war broke out after the Declaration was signed, the Brits didn't roll over and say, 'sure, go ahead, we will let you.'"
Then your argument is that law is merely the ability to do unto others, which differs from the anarchist bogeymen how?
A mere forty years ago a great whistleblower did his work and risked all, but did not get placed in brutal imprisonment and danger of death for putting his country's moral character to a test, and even a corrupt President would voluntarily resign upon the revelation of his lawbreaking. I speak of course of Danny Ellsberg and President Nixon.
Anyone who could become privy to what Pvt. Manning did, that is that the USA conducts thinly veiled torture with electric shock, waterboarding, psychological torture, and that it renditions prisoners to regimes like the recently deposed one in Egypt which engage in blatant torture including drills,
anyone who could see that this is a blatant exercise of power meant to subdue the disadvantaged of the world and mold the economics to the advantage of America's elite to the detriment of everyone else, including future generations,
anyone who could see the brutality of willful shoot-ups of civilians and journalists by snickering, racist Apache gunship crews,
anyone who could see the contravention of international law and agreements we are assigned to and to which our national honor is affixed by deliberate scheming,
anyone who could see that the nature of our government's policies is hidden, distorted, or misrepresented to its constituents
and hold their peace, working in silent assent to atrocities, and not speak out, would have been convicted at Nuremberg, would have made themselves directly share responsibility for monstrous crimes, and would be no guardian of liberty or law, but a tool to those who corrupt both. If the letter of the law is all that is right and Bradley Manning is a criminal for blowing the whistle on the corrupt exercise of power, then everyone who signed the American Declaration of Independence ought to have hung too, and apologies are due for this nation's existence altogether with its rights and wrongs, and a ridiculous and futile exercise - thus the powers that would have Manning punished are discredited.
They who would sacrifice essential freedom for a little security will gain neither, and lose both, quoth Ben Franklin.
They who would sacrifice basic humanity and law for obedience to tyrants are heirs to tyranny and the stain that brings, and none of the things that have ever made this country worth fighting for. We'll need more people like Manning to get our country back from the plutocrats and propaganda that have already plundered its wealth for their wars.
How are we going to rid the world of CHRISTIANITY? They're impossible. They're picketing funerals, shooting doctors, and I even saw one waving "God hates fags" signs in San Francisco without a thought to what the guy next to him with the "God hates corduroy" felt.
Linux's driver support is as good as it is because open source enables proper code reuse. That's also a good reason why we should care about open source drivers.
Even though I don't care for Picken's political maneuvering, this is still a bad thing. Natural gas may be becoming cheap, but we've already got enough of our country polluted to where our tap water isn't drinkable. These cheap methods of extracting natural gas promise to make that much worse! http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/
Thermal mass and energy uptake should be intelligently used in a building, period. No, you're not going to run a turbine. But yes, lots of south-facing windows, overhangs to keep out the summer sun while admitting the winter sun onto a large thermally absorptive surface could greatly improve the comfort and energy efficiency of your home, perhaps to the point where when combined with other efficiency gains, you can afford the smaller number of solar panels it'd take to run everything.
If they can patent this, they can patent the electric wall plug and sue every electronics manufacturer. They can patent the alphabet for that matter. This is not even code; since you're clearly not a programmer, I have to tell you that this is more like the list of cast members in a play with a completely different script. This just shows what a joke the McBride's case was, and how little they understood their own product.
Like the other poster said, biodiversity is key. It makes natural systems resilient; it means every ecological niche has a backup plan. Everything's in a web of relationships.
When a species goes extinct, the species in some relationship with it are put under stress or imbalance; it ripples through the system. Eventually the system gets overwhelmed and collapses.
Just to be clear, our petroleum and pesticide-based agriculture can go so far, and you do not want to live on a planet with collapsed ecosystems after you've destroyed it for a quick buck. It'll be like Easter Island - miserable survivors with no wood to repair their boats, fighting and cannibalizing each other.
So the way to stop a leaking reserve of tens of millions of oil and ten times that in natural gas, all of which is under intense pressure, is a large nuclear explosion. Just like they did in Soviet Russia. Thank you, Slashdot, you're the best. Now, there's a huge, terrible Space Goat on its way to eat this planet of ours, and we need your story submitters and editors to get on a rocket ship and get out there to do something about it, somewhere out there. Very, very far out there. The telephone sanitizers and marketing execs will be keeping you company, of course.
Why are so many outlets reporting no 3G? It's optional, it's using GSM micro-SIM, it's unlocked. Oy. It's all over the place at sites like this. Don't jump the gun!
There is something absolutely wrong with the kind of media coverage. You're telling me that a transposition of digits within a report full of otherwise solid information is "highly damaging"? This is a false sense of even-handedness at best.
How is solid evidence of shrinking polar caps not highly damaging? The hard empirical fact that we've taken the atmospheric CO2 level from ~280 parts per million to over 370? The increasing ocean acidity from absorbing this increased CO2? The fact that widespread deforestation in the midst of de-sequestering carbon locked in oil and carbon and putting it back into the atmosphere on this level has a significant impact?
The question that will matter to all of us in coming years is not whether the IPCC had, in the midst of a large report of substance, accidentally transposed numbers when discussing a real and dangerous trend. It's not about whether or not you like Al Gore. It's not about the way scientists chattered in their emails while creating and testing computer simulations. This coverage of personality cult or anti-cult, the minor gaffes in an overwhelming body of documented evidence being treated even-handedly as if it thwarts all the rest, it is responsible for promoting complacency or belligerency in the face of a severe environmental threat.
Will we come to our senses already, or will it take soaring food prices and flooded cities and islands first?
Bush publicly admitted the NSA spied on US citizens; the left was previously tarred for concern for evidence about it. There were huge discrepancies between the party line and what was public knowledge outside of the US prior to Iraq; the left was tarred for saying what is now accepted as true and founded in evidence, i.e. the Nigerian Uranium hoax which was an exposed hoax before Bush said a word about it. Bush said "We do not torture" and then the truth came out about that too.
Bush was legitimately exposed for his criminal activity, if not tried.
Obama is getting plenty of criticism from the left, as well - just not the mainstream left. Where aren't you looking, I wonder? MSNBC does *not* count. Actual real dissent rarely comes from inside either of the Big Corporate parties. That does not include a great deal of the left - or right - in this country.
I have for some time wondered why more projects don't take the approach Anubis is; getting rid of the parts of the Linux kernel they don't like or need and keeping the rest to get the hardware support. We've got Linux, the BSDs, and interesting L4-based kernels like Genode. Why not put something together that allows for a common driver framework? It's a shame that projects like Haiku have to limp along such a tiny list of hardware options when they're doing such interesting things with the user space.
GNUStep hasn't died; they just released version 2.0 of their live CD, and the Etoile project continues to make GNUStep more modern and aesthetically pleasing. The advantage of the open source world is that if the technology's still good, you can start that old girl right up when you need to. I get the impression that the project could move very quickly given some programmers backing it.
I can't say that I approve of an application that along with Tomboy alone supposedly justify the additional bloat of libmono, which none of the other standard desktop apps use. That doesn't make sense for leanness and reuse.
They should look at what Yorba is doing with Shotwell: http://yorba.org/
Carl Sagan is amazingly inspiring
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I was given the book Comet which he co-authored with Ann Druyan, and while you might think the subject matter smaller, the vision it showed for how we could travel to space and spread life between the stars was amazing. It showed there's more to do out there than invent a spaceship to go from world to world at - how we do not know - speeds far greater than light's. We can be the ancestors of life made to be out there. Panspermia might not be a fact now, but we can make it so. I think that's a beautiful goal to pursue.
Price of green? What does this mean, exactly? Dams are not all that green in a lot of settings because of their substantial environmental impact. I think the slashdot editors might want to take an environmental studies class or three before making such misleading statements as... oh, wait. Slashdot. Nevermind.
Different cultures have different beauty standards. In one Western African practice, a bride-to-be is shut into a hut with metal braces wrapped around her legs to inhibit movement, and given huge amounts of food which she is expected to eat. Yes, she is expected to become quite thick by western European standards. Cultures that have to grapple with starvation often see fat as healthy and beautiful.
Before western influence penetrated the culture, the Japanese thought that the necknape was the most attractive part of the female body. When the Americans occupied their country, all of a sudden there were Japanese women getting boob jobs to curry favor (hence much-needed money and supplies) from the GIs.
The phenomenon that this article describes is well known in some species, but what it means for us is quite vague.
A programmer's work is vastly different from a manager's, or anyone's where a certain amount of time gets you a predictable level of output. Hear what I'm saying? You might have already designed something in an object-oriented class tree that with slight tweaks to a subclass, meets the spec. You might encounter a strange bug that takes hours to chase down. You don't know all of that when the boss sits you down in a meeting and gives you a spec and asks you for a deadline right there on the fly. That plus micromanagement is the worst. You get jostled too often to get into any kind of groove.
The technical solution? Make your code as reusable and debugged as possible, because you'll never know when you need to write up a solution under adverse conditions.
The real solution? Explain this to your boss in a proactive way.
Anyone know a good book to recommend to the boss who's also the office schmoozehound?
I don't think I've ever seen a more undeserved insightful mod. That was non-specific heckling without a point.
Here are some points for you: the amount of innovation in green energy is tremendous these days. Take your pick, some of these are from this very site:
That's just off the top of my head. Renewable energy is a matter of studying your surroundings and finding what is appropriate. Each locale is different, and of course, all of us can benefit from more efficient design than what we used on this past century while presuming that fossil fuel energy is cheap and disposable. All we need to do is stop being sloppy and wasteful....Or you can just be pointlessly negative on the internet.:)
Oh man, you just don't want to call bacteria simple. Those little bastards can hot-swap DNA between themselves without having to undergo any cell division. If you could do that, who would you bump up against for an update?
For suggesting that a measure of tidal power could be harvested as well here? After all, kites can be used to harvest power through the tension exerted on their cables, if I'm correct. Similarly, these turbines are going to be tethered, right? How about it?
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I've seen a lot of pro-nuclear advocacy on this site, and I feel that people need to have a perspective on what that choice represents. It's opportunity cost. That's a term for when you give up your chances on one side in the pursuit of another. If your choices are poor your loss includes what you did not pursue when you had the chance.
Right now we have gotten wind down to where it has much to offer and very little drawback. Laddermills can provide power 24-7. Offshore windfarms have been heavily studied and show little impact. A better grid could distribute the uneven power effectively. Ribbon generators and windbelts can, in arrays, compete with solar panels.
Where heat is needed we can concentrate solar thermal energy, whether through passive solar buildings, solar towers and troughs which heat molten salts to 1000 degrees Fahrenheit for storage in insulated tanks to drive turbines 24/7. You can even get hot water from running hoses through a compost pile - several compositions yield a proven 140 degree internal temperature and you're getting fertile soil too.
If you do in fact need electricity, solar panels on a microgrid close to their point of demand circumvent our hugely wasteful grid with its losses due to resistance and the unnecessary surplus generated by redundancy of huge, centralized powerplants.
These are not perfect, but when you consider the subsidies fossil fuels and nuclear plants require, the wars being waged to control their supply, and the costs of pollution whether we're paying them now or ignoring it at the peril of future generations, we are being very foolish to waver in the pursuit of a resilient, safe energy supply.
In the words of Bill Maher on offshore wind turbines: "You know what happens when windmills collapse into the sea? A splash."
Supporting links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laddermill
http://www.truth-out.org/wind-energy-can-power-much-east-coast-study-says63637
http://inhabitat.com/windbelt-innovative-generator-to-bring-cheap-wind-power-to-third-world/
http://gliving.com/power-tower-wind-turbines-a-brilliant-idea-in-this-issue-of-metropolis-magazine-may-2009/
http://www.solarreserve.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parabolic_trough
http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/EETD-microgrids.html
To that I would ask if you ever watched Red Dawn when you were young, and contemplated what you'd do to defend your homeland, and in the present recollected whose country is where. No occupation stays moral for long for that very reason.
Also towards that, does training defer moral responsibility? It may blur its edges but how can it? We've murdered a huge number of Iraqi civilians, contaminated their cities with depleted uranium which has a half-life longer than we can expect life on earth to last, all for reasons that were shown to be wrong or deceitful.
You can't take life like that and shrug off the responsibility onto protocol for people in their own homeland where they've a right to be, and you don't.
"what a dumb statement... if the British were able to get a hold of them, the WOULD have be hung... in case you forgot, a war broke out after the Declaration was signed, the Brits didn't roll over and say, 'sure, go ahead, we will let you.'"
Then your argument is that law is merely the ability to do unto others, which differs from the anarchist bogeymen how?
Hubris towards your nation's scion is unbecoming; the stains are as transnational and historically continuous as the humane demand to right them.
Shall we speak of Jallianwala Bagh?
A mere forty years ago a great whistleblower did his work and risked all, but did not get placed in brutal imprisonment and danger of death for putting his country's moral character to a test, and even a corrupt President would voluntarily resign upon the revelation of his lawbreaking. I speak of course of Danny Ellsberg and President Nixon.
Anyone who could become privy to what Pvt. Manning did, that is that the USA conducts thinly veiled torture with electric shock, waterboarding, psychological torture, and that it renditions prisoners to regimes like the recently deposed one in Egypt which engage in blatant torture including drills,
anyone who could see that this is a blatant exercise of power meant to subdue the disadvantaged of the world and mold the economics to the advantage of America's elite to the detriment of everyone else, including future generations,
anyone who could see the brutality of willful shoot-ups of civilians and journalists by snickering, racist Apache gunship crews,
anyone who could see the contravention of international law and agreements we are assigned to and to which our national honor is affixed by deliberate scheming,
anyone who could see that the nature of our government's policies is hidden, distorted, or misrepresented to its constituents
and hold their peace, working in silent assent to atrocities, and not speak out, would have been convicted at Nuremberg, would have made themselves directly share responsibility for monstrous crimes, and would be no guardian of liberty or law, but a tool to those who corrupt both. If the letter of the law is all that is right and Bradley Manning is a criminal for blowing the whistle on the corrupt exercise of power, then everyone who signed the American Declaration of Independence ought to have hung too, and apologies are due for this nation's existence altogether with its rights and wrongs, and a ridiculous and futile exercise - thus the powers that would have Manning punished are discredited.
They who would sacrifice essential freedom for a little security will gain neither, and lose both, quoth Ben Franklin.
They who would sacrifice basic humanity and law for obedience to tyrants are heirs to tyranny and the stain that brings, and none of the things that have ever made this country worth fighting for. We'll need more people like Manning to get our country back from the plutocrats and propaganda that have already plundered its wealth for their wars.
How are we going to rid the world of CHRISTIANITY? They're impossible. They're picketing funerals, shooting doctors, and I even saw one waving "God hates fags" signs in San Francisco without a thought to what the guy next to him with the "God hates corduroy" felt.
Linux's driver support is as good as it is because open source enables proper code reuse. That's also a good reason why we should care about open source drivers.
Even though I don't care for Picken's political maneuvering, this is still a bad thing. Natural gas may be becoming cheap, but we've already got enough of our country polluted to where our tap water isn't drinkable. These cheap methods of extracting natural gas promise to make that much worse! http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/
Thermal mass and energy uptake should be intelligently used in a building, period. No, you're not going to run a turbine. But yes, lots of south-facing windows, overhangs to keep out the summer sun while admitting the winter sun onto a large thermally absorptive surface could greatly improve the comfort and energy efficiency of your home, perhaps to the point where when combined with other efficiency gains, you can afford the smaller number of solar panels it'd take to run everything.
If they can patent this, they can patent the electric wall plug and sue every electronics manufacturer. They can patent the alphabet for that matter. This is not even code; since you're clearly not a programmer, I have to tell you that this is more like the list of cast members in a play with a completely different script. This just shows what a joke the McBride's case was, and how little they understood their own product.
Like the other poster said, biodiversity is key. It makes natural systems resilient; it means every ecological niche has a backup plan. Everything's in a web of relationships.
When a species goes extinct, the species in some relationship with it are put under stress or imbalance; it ripples through the system. Eventually the system gets overwhelmed and collapses.
Just to be clear, our petroleum and pesticide-based agriculture can go so far, and you do not want to live on a planet with collapsed ecosystems after you've destroyed it for a quick buck. It'll be like Easter Island - miserable survivors with no wood to repair their boats, fighting and cannibalizing each other.
So the way to stop a leaking reserve of tens of millions of oil and ten times that in natural gas, all of which is under intense pressure, is a large nuclear explosion. Just like they did in Soviet Russia. Thank you, Slashdot, you're the best. Now, there's a huge, terrible Space Goat on its way to eat this planet of ours, and we need your story submitters and editors to get on a rocket ship and get out there to do something about it, somewhere out there. Very, very far out there. The telephone sanitizers and marketing execs will be keeping you company, of course.
Why are so many outlets reporting no 3G? It's optional, it's using GSM micro-SIM, it's unlocked. Oy. It's all over the place at sites like this. Don't jump the gun!
There is something absolutely wrong with the kind of media coverage. You're telling me that a transposition of digits within a report full of otherwise solid information is "highly damaging"? This is a false sense of even-handedness at best.
How is solid evidence of shrinking polar caps not highly damaging? The hard empirical fact that we've taken the atmospheric CO2 level from ~280 parts per million to over 370? The increasing ocean acidity from absorbing this increased CO2? The fact that widespread deforestation in the midst of de-sequestering carbon locked in oil and carbon and putting it back into the atmosphere on this level has a significant impact?
The question that will matter to all of us in coming years is not whether the IPCC had, in the midst of a large report of substance, accidentally transposed numbers when discussing a real and dangerous trend. It's not about whether or not you like Al Gore. It's not about the way scientists chattered in their emails while creating and testing computer simulations. This coverage of personality cult or anti-cult, the minor gaffes in an overwhelming body of documented evidence being treated even-handedly as if it thwarts all the rest, it is responsible for promoting complacency or belligerency in the face of a severe environmental threat.
Will we come to our senses already, or will it take soaring food prices and flooded cities and islands first?
Bush publicly admitted the NSA spied on US citizens; the left was previously tarred for concern for evidence about it. There were huge discrepancies between the party line and what was public knowledge outside of the US prior to Iraq; the left was tarred for saying what is now accepted as true and founded in evidence, i.e. the Nigerian Uranium hoax which was an exposed hoax before Bush said a word about it. Bush said "We do not torture" and then the truth came out about that too.
Bush was legitimately exposed for his criminal activity, if not tried.
Obama is getting plenty of criticism from the left, as well - just not the mainstream left. Where aren't you looking, I wonder? MSNBC does *not* count. Actual real dissent rarely comes from inside either of the Big Corporate parties. That does not include a great deal of the left - or right - in this country.
I have for some time wondered why more projects don't take the approach Anubis is; getting rid of the parts of the Linux kernel they don't like or need and keeping the rest to get the hardware support. We've got Linux, the BSDs, and interesting L4-based kernels like Genode. Why not put something together that allows for a common driver framework? It's a shame that projects like Haiku have to limp along such a tiny list of hardware options when they're doing such interesting things with the user space.
GNUStep hasn't died; they just released version 2.0 of their live CD, and the Etoile project continues to make GNUStep more modern and aesthetically pleasing. The advantage of the open source world is that if the technology's still good, you can start that old girl right up when you need to. I get the impression that the project could move very quickly given some programmers backing it.
I can't say that I approve of an application that along with Tomboy alone supposedly justify the additional bloat of libmono, which none of the other standard desktop apps use. That doesn't make sense for leanness and reuse.
They should look at what Yorba is doing with Shotwell: http://yorba.org/
I was given the book Comet which he co-authored with Ann Druyan, and while you might think the subject matter smaller, the vision it showed for how we could travel to space and spread life between the stars was amazing. It showed there's more to do out there than invent a spaceship to go from world to world at - how we do not know - speeds far greater than light's. We can be the ancestors of life made to be out there. Panspermia might not be a fact now, but we can make it so. I think that's a beautiful goal to pursue.
Price of green? What does this mean, exactly? Dams are not all that green in a lot of settings because of their substantial environmental impact. I think the slashdot editors might want to take an environmental studies class or three before making such misleading statements as... oh, wait. Slashdot. Nevermind.
Different cultures have different beauty standards. In one Western African practice, a bride-to-be is shut into a hut with metal braces wrapped around her legs to inhibit movement, and given huge amounts of food which she is expected to eat. Yes, she is expected to become quite thick by western European standards. Cultures that have to grapple with starvation often see fat as healthy and beautiful.
Before western influence penetrated the culture, the Japanese thought that the necknape was the most attractive part of the female body. When the Americans occupied their country, all of a sudden there were Japanese women getting boob jobs to curry favor (hence much-needed money and supplies) from the GIs.
The phenomenon that this article describes is well known in some species, but what it means for us is quite vague.
A programmer's work is vastly different from a manager's, or anyone's where a certain amount of time gets you a predictable level of output. Hear what I'm saying? You might have already designed something in an object-oriented class tree that with slight tweaks to a subclass, meets the spec. You might encounter a strange bug that takes hours to chase down. You don't know all of that when the boss sits you down in a meeting and gives you a spec and asks you for a deadline right there on the fly. That plus micromanagement is the worst. You get jostled too often to get into any kind of groove.
The technical solution? Make your code as reusable and debugged as possible, because you'll never know when you need to write up a solution under adverse conditions.
The real solution? Explain this to your boss in a proactive way.
Anyone know a good book to recommend to the boss who's also the office schmoozehound?
I don't think I've ever seen a more undeserved insightful mod. That was non-specific heckling without a point.
Here are some points for you: the amount of innovation in green energy is tremendous these days. Take your pick, some of these are from this very site:
24/7 baseload electricity from the sun for utilities, great for sunny climates, cost-competitive with coal
Steady large-scale wind power from stacked kites
Cutting consumption and greenhouse gasses with microgrids
As seen on this very site, cost-effective solar thermal energy used to drive a stirling engine
Highly cost-effective thin-film solar electricity
Solar thermal panels for directly heating water
For efficiency, passive solar design for buildings
Inserting vertical wind turbines into electric towers for using existing structure
Tidal energy, pros and cons; Denmark certainly believes in the pros
That's just off the top of my head. Renewable energy is a matter of studying your surroundings and finding what is appropriate. Each locale is different, and of course, all of us can benefit from more efficient design than what we used on this past century while presuming that fossil fuel energy is cheap and disposable. All we need to do is stop being sloppy and wasteful. ...Or you can just be pointlessly negative on the internet. :)
Oh man, you just don't want to call bacteria simple. Those little bastards can hot-swap DNA between themselves without having to undergo any cell division. If you could do that, who would you bump up against for an update?
For suggesting that a measure of tidal power could be harvested as well here? After all, kites can be used to harvest power through the tension exerted on their cables, if I'm correct. Similarly, these turbines are going to be tethered, right? How about it?