Very simply. You get better performance with dynamic content from multiple, parallel servers, as opposed to one big, super-beefy machine.
Serving content dynamically, the way slashdot does, takes up a bit more in the way of system resources than simply spewing static webpages.
And let me ask you this. With which setup will you get better(faster) response. 1,000,000 requests for a 300 kilobyte dynamically generated page on a single server, 15 hops away on a T3 or 1,000,000 requests for a 300 kilobyte dynamically generated page spread across 10 servers on 10 separate T1's, with one of the servers being 2-3 hops away.
Also, if one or two servers goes down (not necessarily a crash, but possibly a hardware failure, or a power failure to a server), you still have other servers up and shooting pages.
I don't see what's wrong with some of us geeks wanting to find a mate who we can relate to AND who can win a wet T-shirt contest!
In fact, I think that'd be the ideal way to run the scholarship search. Take the top 10 or so candiates, and whoever wins the wet T-shirt contest gets the scholarship. And this will insure:
Brains
Beauty
Sense of humor
Of course, if this testosterone-driven opinion offends anyone, fine. I'll try to live with your disapproval.
Since this is a news for nerds site, do you REALLY want some 300 lb hacker-chick with a eyeglass prescription that reads "bulletproof" to be stripping down in front of you? No. I thought not.
Ewwww. I need to go take a bath now. For some reason I feel dirty.
They're still turning over the fruits of their coding to the community at large...for FREE.
RMS would probably be proud that they're able to keep their code free while still making money off it (through implementation of the code rather than licensing).
Translation: You guys sold out so I'm leaving. Wah!
Fine! Leave! Nobody's twisting your arm to make you stay.
How much time and money do YOU have to devote to what was basically a second job? The Slashdot crew has been devoting TONS of time and money (their own) to this project for YEARS.
If you'd wanted it to remain solely financed by Rob and the gang, you should have been sending them weekly checks to help pay expenses for them. Everybody should have.
If you don't like what has pretty much become a necessity for the Slashdot crew, fine. Stop making it out to be something it isn't.
Slashdot ISN'T getting some news feed from Andover. What Slashdot IS getting:
Full retention of creative control (means that the guys who post the articles now, will continue to post the articles).
They get to hire people who'd been doing the work gratis now and help repay them for their hard work to make Slashdot successful.
They get access to a bunch of Andover's professional code-manglers for HELP (not redesign) of the site. This SHOULD mean cleaner page loads, and a smoother, more regular look. The Slashdot crew will still be the ones controlling the look of Slashdot.
More bandwidth. Even though dual ISDN sounds nice, for a site with the load Slashdot carries, it's NOWHERE near what they need.
Redundancy. Is it just me, or do you HATE having Slashdot time out because the server crashes out? Now they'll have access to multiple redundant servers. This will reduce the load-per-server level, make page-loads MUCH faster, and reduce overall bandwidth loads per-server. Since content mirroring is pretty much at high art nowadays, you should see near-zero lag in the time it takes for Hemos/CmdrTaco to post to the main server till full propagation.
The guys who own it get a whole PILE of money.
Just to keep Rob humble, he's been appointed the person in charge of Andover's "Slashdot" section. This means it's not all gravy. He now has to "pay" for his success in the most degrading possible way. Interaction with suits.
If you look at most independent benchmarks, the only place the K6-2 beats even a Celeron was in low-end Winstone (basic windowing functions). The Celeron beat out the K6-2 in almost all other areas.
The K6-3 was marginally (.1 to 1 point) better than the celeron, save in the FPU, but, since it was a known issue already, it's not worth harping about.
Also, since I'm too lazy to post multiple articles under this subthread, I'll answer the "If not for AMD, the Celeron wouldn't exist". That's bull. Celeron was initially intended to take the lower end market away from the Cyrix chips, as AMD was competing in the mid-range market. It just so happened, that, once the 128K on-die cache was added that performance in 90% of the benchmarks became almost identical to (if not superior in a couple areas) the P2. If you wish to use that sort of damaged, circular "logic", I can justify saying that Intel is responsible for the K7.
Also, to the contented owners of the various AMD products I mentioned before. I'm glad that you are satisfied with the hardware you've bought. I, however, have found their offerings substandard for my purposes. Usually I find the reasons for the performance deficits I see in independent benchmarks. It's something you don't normally see in manufacturer-run benchmarks, since you don't have any sort of clue what environment the tests were run under.
Plus, NOBODY, AMD or Intel or anybody else for that matter, is going to come out and go "Yeah! We're 20% faster here, here, here, and here. But we're 20% slower here, here, and here."
Again, if you're happy with what you have, more power to you. I prefer to wait. Since I prefer not to get cut up on the bleeding edge.
Chas - The one, the only. THANK GOD!!!
I'll wait for some independent benchmarks first...
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Wasn't the K6 supposed to blow away the Pentium chips? The AMD graphs said it would. Sorry, didn't happen. Plus the little beasts were hot and temp-sensitive (15 degree operational range).
Wasn't the K6-2 supposed to blow away the P2? The AMD graphs said it would. Sorry, didn't happen. Even the Celerons whupped up on them (and then the Celeron A-series just made it look even worse for AMD).
Wasn't the K6-3 supposed to blow away the P2/P3? The AMD graphs said it would. Sorry, didn't happen YET AGAIN. The only areas where the chip really performed better was low-end Winstone. As if I really cared that a window would render itself on-screen in.001 nanoseconds instead of.02 nanoseconds.
The only machine based off AMD's technology that had any excessive power was the HYPE MACHINE.
I'll wait for some independent tests from the various hardware sites and my Q&A department before I go dropping cash for them. All these morons (Dubbed Athalonic Supporters on various forums) who pre-ordered theirs are dancing on the razor's edge.
In addition, the commodity market isn't going to see K7 for a while yet, as their production is going toward OEM supply FIRST. And the prices they're quoting right now ($324 for the 500mhz I think was one), are BULK pricing (in lots of 1000). Figure a fairly splefty markup to take place.
Sure, they COULD get lucky and get a chip that absoloutely tears up. Then again, they may get stuck with what the other AMD chip-buyers got. Buyer's Remorse.
I hope that AMD finally comes down with a winner on it's side this time. But I'll play it cautious and wait a while.
Chas - The one, the only. THANK GOD!!!
Something else, fixes already hit the community
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This is all still using the old 2.0 kernel. One of the stips for the test was that no software released beyond the date of the original Mindcraft test be utilized.
So, a more scalable kernel is already out. Apache's had a couple revs. Keep hacking people.
It doesn't matter how much of a pounding you give the OSS community. We'll ALWAYS be there for the NEXT round. Better, stronger, and faster than before.
"It doesn't matter" can also be construed as "It'll get better". More a warning against complacency. Apple continued to sit on it's laurels, laughing at Microsoft Windows. Now who has the highest market penetration (not that I LIKE it that way)?
Remember, just because something sucks NOW, doesn't mean it's always going to suck (or at least not as badly).
Actually the design of Linux is very coherent. The experimental kernel-tree has features that the currently stable tree does not. They're hacked on until they're stable, then the new stable kernel is released. No comittee is involved.
No high IQ individuals involved in Linux? How nice that you are omniscient! Thanks for letting us know we're "wasting" our time! I shudder at the amount of time and effort such a cutting remark must have cost you to develop.
No. Linus decides what's in the kernel. Each project has it's own method of development. I also have an EXTREME problem with your unveiled reference to Linux users as Nazis. I'll comfort myself with the reminder that the difference between idiocy and genius is that genius has limits. Idiocy, such as yours, knows no bounds.
How do YOU know the code is below average? Have you actually looked at it? And did you really understand what you were looking at? Remember, if it says "See Jane run. Run Jane, run." that it's NOT source code! In addition, how the heck do you know what AVERAGE code looks like? You never see any code AT ALL from Microsoft.
Thanks for being a gutless turd and abusing the privelege of AC posting. Try posting under an actual IDENTITY and stop hiding. Maybe then people will know you're doing more than spewing BS.
In case nobody knew. The way to determine the IQ of a group:
Ascertain the average IQ of the group.
Divide that value by the number of people in the group.
In other words, the larger a group, the more collectively stupid it is. Ever see a military formation marching? Very impressive for the most part, but incredibly stupid. Also explains why things designed by comittee (as opposed to mere approval) tend to be garbage (Divx anyone?).
Basically once a group exceeds 200 people or so, a slug has greater subjective intelligence than the group in question.
Chas - The one, the only. THANK GOD!!!
No, DON'T Go buy a divx player!
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Reread the article. The cutoff date is today.
Plus, I'm not going to burn my hard-earned cash on a dying horse like Divx, just so I can tell people I got a $100 back. That's like buying a Pinto so you can sue Ford after getting rear-ended and blown into the next area code (in little, itsy, bitsy pieces).
The message just wasn't registering within the ranks of the Divx-victims till now.
Let's face it. Inferior video quality, fewer features, less support, completely proprietary to one company, HAS to be hooked up to your phone, gives that company complete access to your credit card, viewing habits, etc.
It couldn't be worse if it was come up with by a bunch of suits and their lawyers!
...........
Waitaminute! It WAS thought up by a bunch of suits and their lawyers! No wonder it sucked so bad!
Mark Anderson seems to have a severely limited understanding of the business model that RedHat operates under.
Did they make money off boxed sales? Sure!
Guess what. The releases from RedHat are SERVICES.
What? Services? How do you figure?
You could go with Slackware and/or assemble 99.999% of what you find in a RedHat distribution on your own.
RedHat provides the pre-packaging of the distribution for you (that's the point of a distribution). Guess what. That makes it a service. Yes they value-added some things. But the majority of the code under RH Linux was provided by countless unpaid programmers for the betterment of the operating system as a whole.
They're no different from Walnut Creek in selling their CD's of the CDROM.com archive. They merely provided packaging.
The childish "Take that you open-source freaks" was the mark of a man who has little better to do with his time than come up with witty, inane (not to mention one-sided) one liners. Sort of like when a person rehashes an argument they lost, saying all the things the wish they'd had the backbone to say in-person.
It's disappointing that a so-called journalist has to sink to such infantile practice as this to try to cover for his deficient comprehension of the issue.
HERE is a clip of the screenshot from the RedHat site. Big as life and twice as ugly! File size: 185k
And HERE is a full screenshot (albeit on a crappy WinDOS based browser. File size: 220k
I know this really isn't gainful to the discussion. It's just funny, in a perverse sort of way. And it's a lot more constructive than the "Don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out Raster!" garbage that some people have been spewing.
I wish both Raster and RedHat continuing good fortune. I just hope RH will at least retain E as an option.
Slashdot Mirror
Very simply. You get better performance with dynamic content from multiple, parallel servers, as opposed to one big, super-beefy machine.
Serving content dynamically, the way slashdot does, takes up a bit more in the way of system resources than simply spewing static webpages.
And let me ask you this. With which setup will you get better(faster) response. 1,000,000 requests for a 300 kilobyte dynamically generated page on a single server, 15 hops away on a T3 or 1,000,000 requests for a 300 kilobyte dynamically generated page spread across 10 servers on 10 separate T1's, with one of the servers being 2-3 hops away.
Also, if one or two servers goes down (not necessarily a crash, but possibly a hardware failure, or a power failure to a server), you still have other servers up and shooting pages.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
I don't see what's wrong with some of us geeks wanting to find a mate who we can relate to AND who can win a wet T-shirt contest!
In fact, I think that'd be the ideal way to run the scholarship search. Take the top 10 or so candiates, and whoever wins the wet T-shirt contest gets the scholarship. And this will insure:
Of course, if this testosterone-driven opinion offends anyone, fine. I'll try to live with your disapproval.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Since this is a news for nerds site, do you REALLY want some 300 lb hacker-chick with a eyeglass prescription that reads "bulletproof" to be stripping down in front of you? No. I thought not.
Ewwww. I need to go take a bath now. For some reason I feel dirty.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
These guys keep coding.
They get paid to do it.
They're still turning over the fruits of their coding to the community at large...for FREE.
RMS would probably be proud that they're able to keep their code free while still making money off it (through implementation of the code rather than licensing).
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
You don't get it do you?
Translation: You guys sold out so I'm leaving. Wah!
Fine! Leave! Nobody's twisting your arm to make you stay.
How much time and money do YOU have to devote to what was basically a second job? The Slashdot crew has been devoting TONS of time and money (their own) to this project for YEARS.
If you'd wanted it to remain solely financed by Rob and the gang, you should have been sending them weekly checks to help pay expenses for them. Everybody should have.
If you don't like what has pretty much become a necessity for the Slashdot crew, fine. Stop making it out to be something it isn't.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Hope that clears it up.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Chas, you're a goddamn lamer. Shut the fuck up already.
Yeah. Whatever. Great argument.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
If you look at most independent benchmarks, the only place the K6-2 beats even a Celeron was in low-end Winstone (basic windowing functions). The Celeron beat out the K6-2 in almost all other areas.
The K6-3 was marginally (.1 to 1 point) better than the celeron, save in the FPU, but, since it was a known issue already, it's not worth harping about.
Also, since I'm too lazy to post multiple articles under this subthread, I'll answer the "If not for AMD, the Celeron wouldn't exist". That's bull. Celeron was initially intended to take the lower end market away from the Cyrix chips, as AMD was competing in the mid-range market. It just so happened, that, once the 128K on-die cache was added that performance in 90% of the benchmarks became almost identical to (if not superior in a couple areas) the P2. If you wish to use that sort of damaged, circular "logic", I can justify saying that Intel is responsible for the K7.
Also, to the contented owners of the various AMD products I mentioned before. I'm glad that you are satisfied with the hardware you've bought. I, however, have found their offerings substandard for my purposes. Usually I find the reasons for the performance deficits I see in independent benchmarks. It's something you don't normally see in manufacturer-run benchmarks, since you don't have any sort of clue what environment the tests were run under.
Plus, NOBODY, AMD or Intel or anybody else for that matter, is going to come out and go "Yeah! We're 20% faster here, here, here, and here. But we're 20% slower here, here, and here."
Again, if you're happy with what you have, more power to you. I prefer to wait. Since I prefer not to get cut up on the bleeding edge.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Wasn't the K6 supposed to blow away the Pentium chips? The AMD graphs said it would. Sorry, didn't happen. Plus the little beasts were hot and temp-sensitive (15 degree operational range).
Wasn't the K6-2 supposed to blow away the P2? The AMD graphs said it would. Sorry, didn't happen. Even the Celerons whupped up on them (and then the Celeron A-series just made it look even worse for AMD).
Wasn't the K6-3 supposed to blow away the P2/P3? The AMD graphs said it would. Sorry, didn't happen YET AGAIN. The only areas where the chip really performed better was low-end Winstone. As if I really cared that a window would render itself on-screen in .001 nanoseconds instead of .02 nanoseconds.
The only machine based off AMD's technology that had any excessive power was the HYPE MACHINE.
I'll wait for some independent tests from the various hardware sites and my Q&A department before I go dropping cash for them. All these morons (Dubbed Athalonic Supporters on various forums) who pre-ordered theirs are dancing on the razor's edge.
In addition, the commodity market isn't going to see K7 for a while yet, as their production is going toward OEM supply FIRST. And the prices they're quoting right now ($324 for the 500mhz I think was one), are BULK pricing (in lots of 1000). Figure a fairly splefty markup to take place.
Sure, they COULD get lucky and get a chip that absoloutely tears up. Then again, they may get stuck with what the other AMD chip-buyers got. Buyer's Remorse.
I hope that AMD finally comes down with a winner on it's side this time. But I'll play it cautious and wait a while.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
This is all still using the old 2.0 kernel. One of the stips for the test was that no software released beyond the date of the original Mindcraft test be utilized.
So, a more scalable kernel is already out. Apache's had a couple revs. Keep hacking people.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
At his pre-COMDEX address at Fermilab earlier this year, Linus addressed the issue of "mine's bigger than yours is".
What he said basically boiled down to this.
He doesn't care what runs "fastest". He wants it to run well, be stable, and generally hassle-free.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
It doesn't matter how much of a pounding you give the OSS community. We'll ALWAYS be there for the NEXT round. Better, stronger, and faster than before.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
You'll notice that those Integer benchmarks are all low-end. High-end and FPU are STILL dominated by Intel.
Again, I'd wait till the K7 is actually SHIPPING before I start to quoting how "superior" it is. Vapour will lose out against even an 8088.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Bill Gates (about the Apple guys): And these guys think IBM's the enemy! *SNICKER*
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
"It doesn't matter" can also be construed as "It'll get better". More a warning against complacency. Apple continued to sit on it's laurels, laughing at Microsoft Windows. Now who has the highest market penetration (not that I LIKE it that way)?
Remember, just because something sucks NOW, doesn't mean it's always going to suck (or at least not as badly).
At least that's how I took it.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
In addition, how the heck do you know what AVERAGE code looks like? You never see any code AT ALL from Microsoft.
Thanks for being a gutless turd and abusing the privelege of AC posting. Try posting under an actual IDENTITY and stop hiding. Maybe then people will know you're doing more than spewing BS.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
In case nobody knew. The way to determine the IQ of a group:
In other words, the larger a group, the more collectively stupid it is. Ever see a military formation marching? Very impressive for the most part, but incredibly stupid. Also explains why things designed by comittee (as opposed to mere approval) tend to be garbage (Divx anyone?).
Basically once a group exceeds 200 people or so, a slug has greater subjective intelligence than the group in question.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Reread the article. The cutoff date is today.
Plus, I'm not going to burn my hard-earned cash on a dying horse like Divx, just so I can tell people I got a $100 back. That's like buying a Pinto so you can sue Ford after getting rear-ended and blown into the next area code (in little, itsy, bitsy pieces).
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
The message just wasn't registering within the ranks of the Divx-victims till now.
Let's face it. Inferior video quality, fewer features, less support, completely proprietary to one company, HAS to be hooked up to your phone, gives that company complete access to your credit card, viewing habits, etc.
It couldn't be worse if it was come up with by a bunch of suits and their lawyers!
...........
Waitaminute! It WAS thought up by a bunch of suits and their lawyers! No wonder it sucked so bad!
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
GOOD RIDDANCE!
That about sums up my feelings on Divx.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Mark Anderson seems to have a severely limited understanding of the business model that RedHat operates under.
Did they make money off boxed sales? Sure!
Guess what. The releases from RedHat are SERVICES.
What? Services? How do you figure?
You could go with Slackware and/or assemble 99.999% of what you find in a RedHat distribution on your own.
RedHat provides the pre-packaging of the distribution for you (that's the point of a distribution). Guess what. That makes it a service. Yes they value-added some things. But the majority of the code under RH Linux was provided by countless unpaid programmers for the betterment of the operating system as a whole.
They're no different from Walnut Creek in selling their CD's of the CDROM.com archive. They merely provided packaging.
The childish "Take that you open-source freaks" was the mark of a man who has little better to do with his time than come up with witty, inane (not to mention one-sided) one liners. Sort of like when a person rehashes an argument they lost, saying all the things the wish they'd had the backbone to say in-person.
It's disappointing that a so-called journalist has to sink to such infantile practice as this to try to cover for his deficient comprehension of the issue.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Open Source implies that there is source code. How can you have source code to a piece of hardware?
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
"You mean I have to die to discuss your insights on death!?!?!?!?!?!?"
Very well doctor. Now we'll get Spock to work on the Kata thingee so you can come back and argue.
Farewell Mr. Kelley. You gave us much of yourself to us. And we enjoyed every minute. Thank you.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
HERE is a clip of the screenshot from the RedHat site. Big as life and twice as ugly!
File size: 185k
And HERE is a full screenshot (albeit on a crappy WinDOS based browser.
File size: 220k
I know this really isn't gainful to the discussion. It's just funny, in a perverse sort of way. And it's a lot more constructive than the "Don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out Raster!" garbage that some people have been spewing.
I wish both Raster and RedHat continuing good fortune. I just hope RH will at least retain E as an option.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Was a promotional flyer thing. It's still probably floating around the net somewhere.
Check older slashdot SW articles for it.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!