> Ctrl-W to close a tab works on all but the last tab.
That's a feature not a bug. It's so that you don't inadvertantly close the window. It's been discussed on the Kfm-devel mailing list several times before, the last being about a year ago.
How about SUSE Enterprise Linux? That seems to be what Sun cares about-- and is SUSE's moneymaker. It is probably why Novell bought SUSE, and IBM has an interest in propping up SUSE against RedHat Enterprise Linux.
> You have to remember that has a huge installbase of.NET and while they can add new features, making breaking changes will have a negative impact on their customers.
Not really...NET's installbase won't become "huge" until Longhorn. When that arrives, Windows Update will take care of whatever Microsoft wants to do in terms of extending.NET.
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heh.. considering that Seli (aka, Lubos Lunak) is probably the most knowledgeble person about Qt outside of Trolltech, I'm pretty sure he does "have a clue"
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> So offering free Qt library for OS X while categorically denying Win32 is nothing but complete BS.
I agree, but pragmatically speaking, Trolltech would probably go out of buisness if Qt for Windows was freed.
As a former tinkerer in that port, I'll have to say that it is about 80% of Qt is ported, but that other missing 20% creates problems with many real life apps. The other problem is that there aren't any active developers for a few months. So if you any Qt and/or win32 experience, and have never looked at Qt/Win's source code, sign up!
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No problems with that, in fact, some Trolltech employees themselves used to do that for open source software that needed to a quick port to Windows.
> the best apps in each category use too many different UI toolkits. Its a distraction to have to switch from one UI to another when switching between applications.
How is the situation different from Windows? Windows is *clearly* ready for the "desktop", with 95% market share, however, it has a large amount of different behaving toolkits.
Take a typical company like Microsoft for example, on a modern version of Windows: XP. Old Microsoft Windows apps have one toolkit: open up MS Paint and stare at the windows2000 widgets with XP colors, new Windows apps have another toolkit: stare at IE 6's luna widgets, which behave differently, then open up OfficeXP, and stare at the flat widgets, which behave differently. Then open up Office2003 and new.NET apps, and they have *yet* another widget set.
The ex-Apple guys left Nautilus development long ago. When they were working on Nautilus (e.g, before Eazel went bankrupt), they created something that was far from the Finder.
Most of those guys are again working for Apple, where they work on a wonderful browser called Safari.
True, however, they didn't have money to defend themselves from the unlimited resources of Microsoft. MS would have continuted to sue in different countries. Microsoft didn't really care if they won or not; that was icing on the cake.
Many improvements made in xserver will probably filter through xorg eventually. xserver is much more experimental than xorg is... but most future development will happen in xorg, not xserver.
Both are hosted by freedesktop, including cvs and bugzilla.
Bug team != Quality Team, other than being a small part of it.. did ya read the announcement?
A large amount of non developers have been triaging bugs in KDE (especially in khtml) since KDE switched to Bugzilla from debbugs. It was less practical to do it within debbugs because at that time, permissions weren't easily transferrable to many accounts.
Yeah, but going back to the grandparent post, the GNOME bugsquad still has to do with bugs. Hell, KDE has had people doing THAT for a long time as well.
A group that bug triage and a quality team are different in levels of magnitude. Please read the announcement!:)
This is one of the reasons why the KDE style guide is shorter than GNOME's HIG; most of the GUI design aspects of KDE are enforced automatically while in GNOME, it is reliant on the programmer. I have to admit though, the HIG is great for PR:)
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IE slowly killed Netscape.. Chrome slowly killed Firefox.
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Zack Rusin, one of the authors of this port, has written some more information about it in his blog.
See his blog
AFAIK, this port is completely written from scratch. Since QtMozilla was made, nearly all the ui-dependent parts of Mozilla were rewritten.
You can already do that with the Mozilla KDE integration project: Mozillux.
Mozillux
> Ctrl-W to close a tab works on all but the last tab.
That's a feature not a bug. It's so that you don't inadvertantly close the window. It's been discussed on the Kfm-devel mailing list several times before, the last being about a year ago.
How about SUSE Enterprise Linux? That seems to be what Sun cares about-- and is SUSE's moneymaker. It is probably why Novell bought SUSE, and IBM has an interest in propping up SUSE against RedHat Enterprise Linux.
> You have to remember that has a huge installbase of .NET and while they can add new features, making breaking changes will have a negative impact on their customers.
.NET's installbase won't become "huge" until Longhorn. When that arrives, Windows Update will take care of whatever Microsoft wants to do in terms of extending .NET.
Not really..
heh.. considering that Seli (aka, Lubos Lunak) is probably the most knowledgeble person about Qt outside of Trolltech, I'm pretty sure he does "have a clue"
> So offering free Qt library for OS X while categorically denying Win32 is nothing but complete BS.
I agree, but pragmatically speaking, Trolltech would probably go out of buisness if Qt for Windows was freed.
I'd like to see that NOT happen.
As a former tinkerer in that port, I'll have to say that it is about 80% of Qt is ported, but that other missing 20% creates problems with many real life apps. The other problem is that there aren't any active developers for a few months. So if you any Qt and/or win32 experience, and have never looked at Qt/Win's source code, sign up!
No problems with that, in fact, some Trolltech employees themselves used to do that for open source software that needed to a quick port to Windows.
That reasoning is *exactly* why Palm isn't the number one PDA anymore.
> the best apps in each category use too many different UI toolkits. Its a distraction to have to switch from one UI to another when switching between applications.
.NET apps, and they have *yet* another widget set.
How is the situation different from Windows? Windows is *clearly* ready for the "desktop", with 95% market share, however, it has a large amount of different behaving toolkits.
Take a typical company like Microsoft for example, on a modern version of Windows: XP. Old Microsoft Windows apps have one toolkit: open up MS Paint and stare at the windows2000 widgets with XP colors, new Windows apps have another toolkit: stare at IE 6's luna widgets, which behave differently, then open up OfficeXP, and stare at the flat widgets, which behave differently. Then open up Office2003 and new
The ex-Apple guys left Nautilus development long ago. When they were working on Nautilus (e.g, before Eazel went bankrupt), they created something that was far from the Finder.
Most of those guys are again working for Apple, where they work on a wonderful browser called Safari.
True, however, they didn't have money to defend themselves from the unlimited resources of Microsoft. MS would have continuted to sue in different countries. Microsoft didn't really care if they won or not; that was icing on the cake.
Many improvements made in xserver will probably filter through xorg eventually. xserver is much more experimental than xorg is... but most future development will happen in xorg, not xserver.
Both are hosted by freedesktop, including cvs and bugzilla.
No.. the fork existed before the license change.. but certainly picked up MUCH more momentum after it.
>If we can create a modern standardized windowing protocol (which is what X11 essentially is, only broken and outdated)
Uhm... what is broken and outdated about X11?
> -it looks completely amateurish and "hackerish."
Perhaps in your culture, but it's completely natural elsewhere in the world. e.g, central europe.
I suppose it'd be neutral elsewhere, like the letter 'g' and 'x'
Bug team != Quality Team, other than being a small part of it.. did ya read the announcement?
A large amount of non developers have been triaging bugs in KDE (especially in khtml) since KDE switched to Bugzilla from debbugs. It was less practical to do it within debbugs because at that time, permissions weren't easily transferrable to many accounts.
Yeah, but going back to the grandparent post, the GNOME bugsquad still has to do with bugs. Hell, KDE has had people doing THAT for a long time as well.
:)
A group that bug triage and a quality team are different in levels of magnitude. Please read the announcement!
Wow, that has been standardized in KDE since September 23, 1999 :)
:)
It's done directly inside of the code in KDE however.
This is one of the reasons why the KDE style guide is shorter than GNOME's HIG; most of the GUI design aspects of KDE are enforced automatically while in GNOME, it is reliant on the programmer. I have to admit though, the HIG is great for PR
Application names are diminished in KDE 3.2 as the purpose of the applications is heightened in the kmenu.