I don't think you are living in any kind of realistic world here.
It all comes down to common usage. People associate the kernel with the OS. Whether this is not is mostly is irrelevent.
Also, the word "GNU" sounds quite unprofessional. RMS, as a big beirded hacker type, probably doesn't care. I would never say to my clients that they getting ordering hosting on computers running 'GNU' software. Linux has a lot more brandname power, and just sounds more professional.
Perhaps the FSF should think of a new name for 'GNU'. Currently, it's too unprofessional and nerdy.
> The point of tools, computers expecially, is to empower people, not let them wallow in their own ignorance but with a pretty GUI.
Ugh, I think you've missed the point of lkc completely. The current config system is being replaced mostly because it's too inflexible for the current kernel. Remember that there are backends behind these frontends, and lkc is significantly more powerful than the current config system. Even ESR agrees that it should be changed; after all, he set this whole thing going with his overly complicated replacement for the old one.
lkc is a pretty good compromise, imho. It's probably why linus supports it.
> Honestly, configuring the kernel is easier then compiling software with missing libs that you thought you had..is it because it doesnt LOOK pretty? It gets the job done.
No, the current system is being replaced mostly because it's fairly counterintuitive when it comes to dependencies and other things, and is fairly inflexible in other aspects. Remember that there is a backend behind the frontends. The most important thing with Roman's new config system is that the backend will be significantly more powerful.
Yep, a bunch of colleges have these kinds of things. Here at gatech, we have buzzsearch, which is a dual smb/ftp searcher crawler, and is also opensource. It has worked great in avelliating traffic (which was horrible last spring). Of course, most of the problems were solved when the whole network was upgraded earlier this term. Our resnet folks have pretty much turned a blind eye towards p2p since the network was upgraded; I suppose they don't care about bandwidth costs much, only congestion.
The only limit they put so far is a ~52 kb/s limit for outgoing traffic to the internet. Incoming (downloading) from the internet and internal networks is pretty nice though. It's always nice to get 700kb/s-1.2mb/s, which I haven't been able to get in many years before the rise of p2p.
Exactly, I think "from-the-peer-pressure-dept" line that michael tagged to this story is very applicable.
Gentoo is very nice and all, but there are a number of things that made me switch back to other distros after using Gentoo for a few months.
First, there are better completely source based distros. The most important of these is SourceMage.
Second, I don't like to compile every single little thing. There is no point to compiling every single little thing. Most of the optimization claims that people say about Gentoo are mostly myths; it's really mostly a placebo effect on most modern computers. The only place it would have a discernable effect (above 10% increase in speed), is on really old i686 hardware (p3-katami, early p3-coppermine, slot-A athlons). Anything other this obviously isn't 686. The only other processor where i586 optimization helps is the Pentium Pro.
Third, Gentoo brakes more often than other distros do. I had more breakages in running five months of Gentoo than two years of Debian unstable/testing, and four years of various slackware releases.
Finally, I would like to say that Gentoo is a great distro. Non-free software availablity is very good. It's not however the "killer" distro that some people say it is. Portage is quite slow compared to other package managers (perhaps it should be rewritten in C or C++), or even the BSD ports system. Hopefully portage2 should address these issues, if it ever gets done.
Basically, gentoo is somewhat of the "in-distro" that Debian was several years ago.
> I have read the charter for the KDE Leaque and it CLEARLY states that it is a non-profit organization.
And what part of non-profit organization do you not understand? Just being non-profit does not mean that they have to reveal financial information. There is plenty of information about this in this article; I won't bore you to death explaining it _again_.
The KDE project rushed to announce their own copy of it...
You ignore the fact that the KDE project had nothing to do at all with the creation of the league.
the KDE league turning out to be a closed club which you have no right to be involved in.
Isn't it supposed to be like that? Unless of course, you run a corporation and wish to contribute to the PR of KDE, or you are a KDE contributor who is a member of the KDE e.V. board
> TrollTech would be an tiny, unknown provider of a shitty, bloated software layer that makes all platforms look like Windows.
TrollTech makes most of it's money from commercial windows licenses. It doesn't make anything off of KDE.
> BTW: Matthias now works for Trolltech doesn't he
And how much code has Matthias written in KDE since he joined TrollTech? Very little.
Anyways, what do you have against TrollTech? They provide the community a useful service by providing a version of their toolkit under the GPL. They made the toolkit, they can license it however they want. If you don't like it, don't use it, but don't spread FUD around. It sounds awfully like Microsoft's "gpl'd software is bad" tirades.
> DEP did nothing but ask questions and make available information as it was presented and mostly what I saw was character attacks rather than questions answered.
Uh, the KDE league is a private corporation that has nothing to do with the KDE Project (i.e, KDE e.V) It doesn't need to disclose anything to you. Are you going to go and ask Microsoft, Dell, RedHat, and Intel for all of their private financial records?
> Perhaps my clients and I will be better served by GNOME and leave KDE to the thieves.
> That means our economy suffers as a result, since money is hemmoraghing out of the country in buckets.
I agree with you in most parts of your post, but not in this part.
First of all, it's saving American companies cash. This is really quite important in the state of the economy right now.
Second, programmers who come from India to the US often don't return. Where does the money go? Yup, back into the *US* Economy.
Anyways, the trend has always been like this. I'm sure in the distant future, when China and India are the world's largest economies, Chinese and Indian companies will ship jobs to the US. I know this sounds horribly politically incorrect, but it's bound to happen:-)
> 1. The most popular TV news channel in India is not in English. > 2. There are more Indian language movies watched and made in India than in English.
Except that now days, English words are intersperced in the shows and movies.
> So you can see what is popular with the _people_.
Their own native tongue, not English, not Hindi. I'd love to see figures showing what percentage of non-literate Indians speak Hindi when it's not their mother tongue.
> 60% of the population, ie 600 million literate people in India are denied the use of computers and internet services because they don't know English.
They might not know Hindi as well. I know many fully literate people in my home state (west bengal), who know much better English than Hindi. The state requires students to learn Hindi, but either Bengali or English is stressed much more, depending on if they goto a Bengali-standard or English-standard school.
> 4% of 1 billion still leaves 960 million in the lurch.
7 years ago, it was 4%. I beleive it's significantly higher now, as knowing English has become somewhat "chic". Funny what the boob tube and movies can do.
> I'd like to get some of the gadgets they get in Asian markets that never make it to the West; if you could get them at bargain prices because of currency exchanges, so much the better!
Well, many things are cheaper, some are not. The last time I was in India (this summer), things like cell phones, mobile phones, printers, and speakers were extremely cheap. CPU's and memory were also somewhat cheap.
Other things, like monitors and video cards were extremely expensive (there were no Geforce4's out even).
If you tried to bring something like a whole packaged set of computers from there to the US, customs would likely stop you. But of course, if you have the right connections, the import/export buisness can be very *profitable*. I was on a flight from Calcutta, India to Bangkok, Thailand, and nearly 80% of the people on the plane were smugglers of electronic/commodity goods. It was funny because when they landed, they had about 7-8 suitcases each. They obviously knew the airport people. In Bangkok, there were people there to help collect the suitcases. I'm not sure if the final destination was Bangkok or not, but the process seemed to be pretty efficient.
LOL, it seems that anything ever said against Israel is anti-semitic. Will you call them Nazis now? Well, it _is_ anti-semitic, but it's not the right word to use in this cases because it has a bad stigma to it.
> free democratic Taiwan against totalitarian China is important?
Taiwan wasn't exactly democratic until the mid 90's. Of course, granted, the government in the mainland did a lot more human rights abuses than the Taiwan government, but the role was reveresed before 1949.
Anyways, the mainland will probably eventually have a freely elected governemnt, and Taiwan will probably be a part of it. I support the idea of Taiwan being a independent region until then, however.
Don't confuse kneejerk comments by people on dot.kde.org as a big part of the KDE community. Many other people are simply "dislikers" of RH, including myself. I don't like their distro. Neither do I like SuSE or Mandrake or the "pro"-kde distros.
Of course, I haven't used Redhat (much) since rh5.2, but everytime I've attempted to, I've fallen back on some other distro. I'm finally comfortable with my main box running LFS and my gateway running Debian.
A better question to ask is why half of the reviewers get it right and half don't. Obviously it has something to do with the distribution. It's up to the distro to make it "reviewerproof".
> That only proofs that the KDE community is immature and a bunch of RedHat haters.
Or that proves that the webmasters/editor of dot.kde.org is a RedHat hater (which I agree with, but that's my opinion), not the general KDE community as a whole.
It's on both sides. Some people in RedHat don't like KDE, and some people who work on/are associated with KDE don't like RedHat.
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I don't think you are living in any kind of realistic world here.
It all comes down to common usage. People associate the kernel with the OS. Whether this is not is mostly is irrelevent.
Also, the word "GNU" sounds quite unprofessional. RMS, as a big beirded hacker type, probably doesn't care. I would never say to my clients that they getting ordering hosting on computers running 'GNU' software. Linux has a lot more brandname power, and just sounds more professional.
Perhaps the FSF should think of a new name for 'GNU'. Currently, it's too unprofessional and nerdy.
> The point of tools, computers expecially, is to empower people, not let them wallow in their own ignorance but with a pretty GUI.
Ugh, I think you've missed the point of lkc completely. The current config system is being replaced mostly because it's too inflexible for the current kernel. Remember that there are backends behind these frontends, and lkc is significantly more powerful than the current config system. Even ESR agrees that it should be changed; after all, he set this whole thing going with his overly complicated replacement for the old one.
lkc is a pretty good compromise, imho. It's probably why linus supports it.
> Honestly, configuring the kernel is easier then compiling software with missing libs that you thought you had..is it because it doesnt LOOK pretty? It gets the job done.
No, the current system is being replaced mostly because it's fairly counterintuitive when it comes to dependencies and other things, and is fairly inflexible in other aspects. Remember that there is a backend behind the frontends. The most important thing with Roman's new config system is that the backend will be significantly more powerful.
Yep, a bunch of colleges have these kinds of things. Here at gatech, we have buzzsearch, which is a dual smb/ftp searcher crawler, and is also opensource. It has worked great in avelliating traffic (which was horrible last spring). Of course, most of the problems were solved when the whole network was upgraded earlier this term. Our resnet folks have pretty much turned a blind eye towards p2p since the network was upgraded; I suppose they don't care about bandwidth costs much, only congestion.
The only limit they put so far is a ~52 kb/s limit for outgoing traffic to the internet. Incoming (downloading) from the internet and internal networks is pretty nice though. It's always nice to get 700kb/s-1.2mb/s, which I haven't been able to get in many years before the rise of p2p.
Exactly, I think "from-the-peer-pressure-dept" line that michael tagged to this story is very applicable.
Gentoo is very nice and all, but there are a number of things that made me switch back to other distros after using Gentoo for a few months.
First, there are better completely source based distros. The most important of these is SourceMage.
Second, I don't like to compile every single little thing. There is no point to compiling every single little thing. Most of the optimization claims that people say about Gentoo are mostly myths; it's really mostly a placebo effect on most modern computers. The only place it would have a discernable effect (above 10% increase in speed), is on really old i686 hardware (p3-katami, early p3-coppermine, slot-A athlons). Anything other this obviously isn't 686. The only other processor where i586 optimization helps is the Pentium Pro.
Third, Gentoo brakes more often than other distros do. I had more breakages in running five months of Gentoo than two years of Debian unstable/testing, and four years of various slackware releases.
Finally, I would like to say that Gentoo is a great distro. Non-free software availablity is very good. It's not however the "killer" distro that some people say it is. Portage is quite slow compared to other package managers (perhaps it should be rewritten in C or C++), or even the BSD ports system. Hopefully portage2 should address these issues, if it ever gets done.
Basically, gentoo is somewhat of the "in-distro" that Debian was several years ago.
> I have read the charter for the KDE Leaque and it CLEARLY states that it is a non-profit organization.
And what part of non-profit organization do you not understand? Just being non-profit does not mean that they have to reveal financial information. There is plenty of information about this in this article; I won't bore you to death explaining it _again_.
> It's common knowledge that OfB.biz is just a KDE mouthpiece.
?
> it should still be done.
Why? Are you a corporation that sponsors the league? If you were, you'd be able to see the finances anyways.
The KDE project rushed to announce their own copy of it...
You ignore the fact that the KDE project had nothing to do at all with the creation of the league.
the KDE league turning out to be a closed club which you have no right to be involved in.
Isn't it supposed to be like that? Unless of course, you run a corporation and wish to contribute to the PR of KDE, or you are a KDE contributor who is a member of the KDE e.V. board
> TrollTech would be an tiny, unknown provider of a shitty, bloated software layer that makes all platforms look like Windows.
TrollTech makes most of it's money from commercial windows licenses. It doesn't make anything off of KDE.
> BTW: Matthias now works for Trolltech doesn't he
And how much code has Matthias written in KDE since he joined TrollTech? Very little.
Anyways, what do you have against TrollTech? They provide the community a useful service by providing a version of their toolkit under the GPL. They made the toolkit, they can license it however they want. If you don't like it, don't use it, but don't spread FUD around. It sounds awfully like Microsoft's "gpl'd software is bad" tirades.
> DEP did nothing but ask questions and make available information as it was presented and mostly what I saw was character attacks rather than questions answered.
Uh, the KDE league is a private corporation that has nothing to do with the KDE Project (i.e, KDE e.V) It doesn't need to disclose anything to you. Are you going to go and ask Microsoft, Dell, RedHat, and Intel for all of their private financial records?
> Perhaps my clients and I will be better served by GNOME and leave KDE to the thieves.
=troll
>How humiliating for KDE and open source!
=FUD
shit, I got a second post, fuck me hard.
-fault, holding a grudge against Apple since 1983 when I bought a lisa
apple sucks the ass.
Yeah, mod me down, I'm trying to get a FP, won't happen though.
Anyways, there is probably the same amount of Shem's decendants in the Israeli's, Palistinians, Syrians, Jordanians, and Lebanese.
> That means our economy suffers as a result, since money is hemmoraghing out of the country in buckets.
:-)
I agree with you in most parts of your post, but not in this part.
First of all, it's saving American companies cash. This is really quite important in the state of the economy right now.
Second, programmers who come from India to the US often don't return. Where does the money go? Yup, back into the *US* Economy.
Anyways, the trend has always been like this. I'm sure in the distant future, when China and India are the world's largest economies, Chinese and Indian companies will ship jobs to the US. I know this sounds horribly politically incorrect, but it's bound to happen
> 1. The most popular TV news channel in India is not in English.
> 2. There are more Indian language movies watched and made in India than in English.
Except that now days, English words are intersperced in the shows and movies.
> So you can see what is popular with the _people_.
Their own native tongue, not English, not Hindi. I'd love to see figures showing what percentage of non-literate Indians speak Hindi when it's not their mother tongue.
> 60% of the population, ie 600 million literate people in India are denied the use of computers and internet services because they don't know English.
They might not know Hindi as well. I know many fully literate people in my home state (west bengal), who know much better English than Hindi. The state requires students to learn Hindi, but either Bengali or English is stressed much more, depending on if they goto a Bengali-standard or English-standard school.
> 4% of 1 billion still leaves 960 million in the lurch.
7 years ago, it was 4%. I beleive it's significantly higher now, as knowing English has become somewhat "chic". Funny what the boob tube and movies can do.
> I'd like to get some of the gadgets they get in Asian markets that never make it to the West; if you could get them at bargain prices because of currency exchanges, so much the better!
Well, many things are cheaper, some are not. The last time I was in India (this summer), things like cell phones, mobile phones, printers, and speakers were extremely cheap. CPU's and memory were also somewhat cheap.
Other things, like monitors and video cards were extremely expensive (there were no Geforce4's out even).
If you tried to bring something like a whole packaged set of computers from there to the US, customs would likely stop you. But of course, if you have the right connections, the import/export buisness can be very *profitable*. I was on a flight from Calcutta, India to Bangkok, Thailand, and nearly 80% of the people on the plane were smugglers of electronic/commodity goods. It was funny because when they landed, they had about 7-8 suitcases each. They obviously knew the airport people. In Bangkok, there were people there to help collect the suitcases. I'm not sure if the final destination was Bangkok or not, but the process seemed to be pretty efficient.
> Keep your anti-semitic propaganda out of here!
LOL, it seems that anything ever said against Israel is anti-semitic. Will you call them Nazis now? Well, it _is_ anti-semitic, but it's not the right word to use in this cases because it has a bad stigma to it.
> free democratic Taiwan against totalitarian China is important?
Taiwan wasn't exactly democratic until the mid 90's. Of course, granted, the government in the mainland did a lot more human rights abuses than the Taiwan government, but the role was reveresed before 1949.
Anyways, the mainland will probably eventually have a freely elected governemnt, and Taiwan will probably be a part of it. I support the idea of Taiwan being a independent region until then, however.
> I read this as a pretty crap piece of racist humour.
It's not exactly racist humor. Not all Indians are hindu, and most hindus are vegetarians. Some hindus even eat beef (like myself).
Don't confuse kneejerk comments by people on dot.kde.org as a big part of the KDE community. Many other people are simply "dislikers" of RH, including myself. I don't like their distro. Neither do I like SuSE or Mandrake or the "pro"-kde distros.
Of course, I haven't used Redhat (much) since rh5.2, but everytime I've attempted to, I've fallen back on some other distro. I'm finally comfortable with my main box running LFS and my gateway running Debian.
Yes, of course there are instances of cases where users/reviewers get it right. But, if 50% of reviewers don't, that shows problems.
A better question to ask is why half of the reviewers get it right and half don't. Obviously it has something to do with the distribution. It's up to the distro to make it "reviewerproof".
> That only proofs that the KDE community is immature and a bunch of RedHat haters.
Or that proves that the webmasters/editor of dot.kde.org is a RedHat hater (which I agree with, but that's my opinion), not the general KDE community as a whole.
It's on both sides. Some people in RedHat don't like KDE, and some people who work on/are associated with KDE don't like RedHat.
> I've noticed that a lot of Linux distribution reviews from people who have little experience with Linux say it's slow.
IMHO, this is not the fault of the reviewers being newbish, but the fault of distros in not getting things right in the first place.