It is being judged differently than hot coffee. I seem to remember that hot coffee earned an AO rating, while this is getting an M.. which, IMO it deserved anyway due to the violence. Man I wish people would just use some logic. What is the deal, are you all 12yr olds that aren't going to be able to get the game since they changed the rating or what?
"What if the mod added the content, not just unlocked it? Should that affect the rating of the game to?"
No, it shouldn't, and I've not seen anything of the sort happening. Why bring up something that has not happened, and has not been hinted at happening?
Even if windows were rated the same way, I've certainly not seen any images of that sort that shipped with the OS, since that *is* the point, that the file in question was shipped on the game disk. It really has nothing to do with what a mod can or can't do, since that is beyond the control of the game dev. What ships on the disk is not.
Or even better, why not just not have nipples on it? All this hubbub about a couple square inches of female real estate.
I can guarantee that there are game devs out there now, that are makeing their lists and checking them twice as far as what unused artwork is shipping on their disks.
Once again I am forced to inform you that you're arguing the wrong point. I'm not arguing if any of the actions taken were right or wrong, seen or not meant to be seen. I'm arguing against what you said earlier, and I quote...
"This is a far different case - fans created a mod which introduced nudity into a game that never had it on its original media."
To which I told you that you were flat wrong, as the image is indeed on the disk. What the creators did, or didn't intend for that image (I'm guessing it was simply forgotten to be deleted, big oops for them), ulimately DOES NOT MATTER. It's there, so they have to deal with the repercussions.
I guess you are one of those who just can't stand to be shown he's wrong, so you try to divert your argument to something wholly different.
Please enlighten me as to how your longwinded rant invalidates my point that the textures are on the disk? It doesn't matter how they are applied (as I understand it the bra is a seperate mesh and it is simply removed), what matters is that the texture is there and is NOT third party artwork.
BTW, I'm female, and if I decide to wear heart boxers it's nobodies business except my husbands and myself.:P
Oh, I agree, and I'm probably being a bit on the "technicality" side of the argument also. I personally don't see a huge problem with an M rating on the game. Funny that this should come up, especially since in Daggerfall there was nudity exactly equal to this (remove female characters shirt) in the game with no mods. Really not like it's a new thing or something. I think the rating was changed more because the violence was more graphic than they understood, and the nudity is just a scapegoat.
Bethesda is not lying. There is no nudity in the game they created. There is nudity in a texture file that is not used in the game that is on the disk.
Mod the AC up!!!! Finally, somebody else that actually has a clue about what's being talked about here instead of all the "it's all added content created by third party" bullshit.
"what he describes is exactly the same as what happened to Oblivion"
No it's not. The content is (for the umpteenth time) *ON THE DISK*. Just like GTA:SA (not that there's anything wrong with GTA:SA... fucking awesome game, and I am an older female and mom.. no, the kiddo doesn't get to play, nor watch me play).
"Is there any confirmation that these nude meshes were anything more than skin color textures with no detail whatsoever? "
I would say that all the moaning about nipples dissapearing when the latest patch is applied should be confirmation enough that there was at least some detail there.
"The Oblivion nude mod is completely third party. It requires the use of a dowloaded addon and the addition of new texture and model files to the data folder."
No it's not. Why are so many people saying this here? The texture is *ON THE OBLIVION DISK*.
Why are people modding stuff like this informative when it's flat out wrong?
Wrong. The textures are on the disk. It's also nothing new. Bethseda had nudity in Daggerfall, all you had to do was take the shirt off your female character.
"So those images weren't in the game, but they were there, just locked away and inaccessible ? I'm confused, which one is it ?"
Don't be confused. It's both. Your logic flaw is considering the disk and the game to be the same thing, which they are clearly not.
Those images weren't in the game that Rockstar sold. True. The game had no mechanism whatsoever for you to access those images, as they were not a part of the game that was being sold. The images were on the disk, locked and inaccessible from the game.
Who is this "we"? You got a mouse in your pocket or something because *I* as a user want nothing to do with KDE. I don't like it, I think it's ugly no matter what way you skin it.
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It is being judged differently than hot coffee. I seem to remember that hot coffee earned an AO rating, while this is getting an M.. which, IMO it deserved anyway due to the violence. Man I wish people would just use some logic. What is the deal, are you all 12yr olds that aren't going to be able to get the game since they changed the rating or what?
It is NOT a male chest, and I wish people would quit posting this bogus information.
"From what I understand the 'rendered' skin is a male topless skin"
Sorry, you understand wrong.
"What if the mod added the content, not just unlocked it? Should that affect the rating of the game to?"
No, it shouldn't, and I've not seen anything of the sort happening. Why bring up something that has not happened, and has not been hinted at happening?
"the titty-texture is a user created skin"
No, it's not.
Even if windows were rated the same way, I've certainly not seen any images of that sort that shipped with the OS, since that *is* the point, that the file in question was shipped on the game disk. It really has nothing to do with what a mod can or can't do, since that is beyond the control of the game dev. What ships on the disk is not.
Or even better, why not just not have nipples on it? All this hubbub about a couple square inches of female real estate.
I can guarantee that there are game devs out there now, that are makeing their lists and checking them twice as far as what unused artwork is shipping on their disks.
I read the topic as "One second abs" and I thought, oh man, I'm there :).
Once again I am forced to inform you that you're arguing the wrong point. I'm not arguing if any of the actions taken were right or wrong, seen or not meant to be seen. I'm arguing against what you said earlier, and I quote...
"This is a far different case - fans created a mod which introduced nudity into a game that never had it on its original media."
To which I told you that you were flat wrong, as the image is indeed on the disk. What the creators did, or didn't intend for that image (I'm guessing it was simply forgotten to be deleted, big oops for them), ulimately DOES NOT MATTER. It's there, so they have to deal with the repercussions.
I guess you are one of those who just can't stand to be shown he's wrong, so you try to divert your argument to something wholly different.
Please enlighten me as to how your longwinded rant invalidates my point that the textures are on the disk? It doesn't matter how they are applied (as I understand it the bra is a seperate mesh and it is simply removed), what matters is that the texture is there and is NOT third party artwork.
:P
BTW, I'm female, and if I decide to wear heart boxers it's nobodies business except my husbands and myself.
Oh, I agree, and I'm probably being a bit on the "technicality" side of the argument also. I personally don't see a huge problem with an M rating on the game. Funny that this should come up, especially since in Daggerfall there was nudity exactly equal to this (remove female characters shirt) in the game with no mods. Really not like it's a new thing or something. I think the rating was changed more because the violence was more graphic than they understood, and the nudity is just a scapegoat.
Bethesda is not lying. There is no nudity in the game they created. There is nudity in a texture file that is not used in the game that is on the disk.
The response is obviously confusing some readers, but it does NOT indicate that the texture was not there.
Mod the AC up!!!! Finally, somebody else that actually has a clue about what's being talked about here instead of all the "it's all added content created by third party" bullshit.
You need to UNDERSTAND TFA. The content is *ON THE DISK*.
You must be looking at a patched version ;).
"what he describes is exactly the same as what happened to Oblivion"
No it's not. The content is (for the umpteenth time) *ON THE DISK*. Just like GTA:SA (not that there's anything wrong with GTA:SA... fucking awesome game, and I am an older female and mom.. no, the kiddo doesn't get to play, nor watch me play).
The Oblivion content is also ON THE DISK.
Damn people, you're all foaming at the mouth about this and you don't even understand it.
"Is there any confirmation that these nude meshes were anything more than skin color textures with no detail whatsoever? "
I would say that all the moaning about nipples dissapearing when the latest patch is applied should be confirmation enough that there was at least some detail there.
"The Oblivion nude mod is completely third party. It requires the use of a dowloaded addon and the addition of new texture and model files to the data folder."
No it's not. Why are so many people saying this here? The texture is *ON THE OBLIVION DISK*.
Why are people modding stuff like this informative when it's flat out wrong?
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It's not "in the game", it's on the disk, not accessable from within the game without a hack.
Wrong. The textures are on the disk. It's also nothing new. Bethseda had nudity in Daggerfall, all you had to do was take the shirt off your female character.
Apparently, you are misunderstanding reality. They are both peices of code that were shipped on the disk, but not part of the game as sold.
"So those images weren't in the game, but they were there, just locked away and inaccessible ? I'm confused, which one is it ?"
Don't be confused. It's both. Your logic flaw is considering the disk and the game to be the same thing, which they are clearly not.
Those images weren't in the game that Rockstar sold. True. The game had no mechanism whatsoever for you to access those images, as they were not a part of the game that was being sold. The images were on the disk, locked and inaccessible from the game.
"we as users never wanted anything but KDE."
Who is this "we"? You got a mouse in your pocket or something because *I* as a user want nothing to do with KDE. I don't like it, I think it's ugly no matter what way you skin it.