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He marked some of mine when I took his Operating Systems Unit at Uni.
How I supposed to know you shouldn't use 'float' in the kernel. The code worked, that was good enough for me. Still not 100% sure I know why this is the case.
OK this is what I remember of my history of the internet in australia.
Elz worked (works?) for a university in Melbourne and was involved in creating the first internet connection into Australia and hence all of the.au extentions. Because he works for the uni they are owned by the uni. But for a while Elz was in control of all of the.au extentions and getting a domain registered was Really slow.
Then the uni decided to create a seperate company to handle the domain registering. They are called Melbourne IT and hold a monopoly over all.com.au.net.au etc. Elz remained in control of only.org.au
This is why.com.au etc is so expensive, and.org.au is so slow to be registered.
This is my understanding of what has happened. I suppose I should now read the article and see what they say.
Thanks for that link. But this is quoted from that page:
The following table shows the new milestone schedule with very rough dates. We may well slip every one of these milestones somewhat, but we're aiming at quarterly milestones. We do not propose to be exclusively date-driven, or else the Mozilla community may balk at any pretense that Mozilla 1.0 deserves the "1.0" version string.
I think it is just you. It really isn't that insane.
The only reason why people are saying "Geez this thing is taking forever" is because it has been in the public eye since the beginning of it's development. Remember most software is developed behind closed doors and no one really hears about it until it is released as 1.0 (or very close to 1.0). After that all you see is small updates to that program which doesn't take as long.
So to summarize, the initial 1.0 release takes a long time to get right. After that it doesn't take as long to do each release so development seems quicker.
The other thing to think about is IE 6 is going to be released soon. How long has it been since IE 5 was released? And they didn't write it from scratch. Do you think they were sitting on their arse the entire time?
What do you expect him to do, spend 100 % of the time praising Mozilla like some old issue of Pravda did for the Soviet government?
No. But I expect him to try and get his facts straight. Does he even bother trying to contact the people at mozilla.org for confirmation of his story before publicising it?
The comments about the browser war being over really shit me. I seem to recall people saying the same thing about IE when Netscape held over 90% of the market. "Oh IE will never be able to displace Netscape."
Just because it has the largest portion of the market Now means nothing, because Now isn't what matters. Tommorow is where the future is and that is where the changes will occur. Believing that just because you are number 1 now doesn't mean you will remain number 1. If that were so then netscape would still have 90% of the market.
I think they actually said when mozilla becomes stable (possibly 1.0) then they will ship with mozilla. I don't think they will wait just because it isn't a 1.x release. Mandrake already ships their distro with mozilla. 8.0 came with mozilla 0.8
I've been following Mozilla since M16 and I don't recall them ever saying that 1.0 would definatly be released in April 2001.
I believe the roadmap has always said:
0.9.1 (possibly 1.0?)
And the pretty little graphic has always had the 1.0 branch as a grey line over the top of a solid black line, always with the text "When it is ready"
So you cannot accuse mozilla.org or misleading people. I think someone has been suckered in by the mozillaquest hype.
One more thing. If mozilla was a commercial product it would been released as 1.0 a few milestones ago. I read somewhere that the reason it hasn't is because mozilla.org has Very high standards. No crash bugs and 100% standards compliance.
How old were you when you first started using a computer?
I was in Primary school and computers were NOT user friendly. Everything was DOS based. Not are you saying that Linux with a KDE interface is harder to use than DOS? I don't think so. I think kids are more intelligent than you give them credit for. No matter what you put in front of them for the first time it is going to be alien and hard to use.
Linux was not Designed to be a server. It was designed to be an OS. It just happenes to be used on servers more than anything else, so the comment that it will never make a good desktop solution is crap.
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He marked some of mine when I took his Operating Systems Unit at Uni.
How I supposed to know you shouldn't use 'float' in the kernel. The code worked, that was good enough for me. Still not 100% sure I know why this is the case.
Elz worked (works?) for a university in Melbourne and was involved in creating the first internet connection into Australia and hence all of the .au extentions. Because he works for the uni they are owned by the uni. But for a while Elz was in control of all of the .au extentions and getting a domain registered was Really slow.
Then the uni decided to create a seperate company to handle the domain registering. They are called Melbourne IT and hold a monopoly over all .com.au .net.au etc. Elz remained in control of only .org.au
This is why .com.au etc is so expensive, and .org.au is so slow to be registered.
This is my understanding of what has happened. I suppose I should now read the article and see what they say.
The following table shows the new milestone schedule with very rough dates. We may well slip every one of these milestones somewhat, but we're aiming at quarterly milestones. We do not propose to be exclusively date-driven, or else the Mozilla community may balk at any pretense that Mozilla 1.0 deserves the "1.0" version string.
http://www.intac.com/~aboutcmp/SiteDsgn.html
It looks like he is still developing sites for 1997.
The only reason why people are saying "Geez this thing is taking forever" is because it has been in the public eye since the beginning of it's development. Remember most software is developed behind closed doors and no one really hears about it until it is released as 1.0 (or very close to 1.0). After that all you see is small updates to that program which doesn't take as long.
So to summarize, the initial 1.0 release takes a long time to get right. After that it doesn't take as long to do each release so development seems quicker.
The other thing to think about is IE 6 is going to be released soon. How long has it been since IE 5 was released? And they didn't write it from scratch. Do you think they were sitting on their arse the entire time?
No. But I expect him to try and get his facts straight. Does he even bother trying to contact the people at mozilla.org for confirmation of his story before publicising it?
The comments about the browser war being over really shit me. I seem to recall people saying the same thing about IE when Netscape held over 90% of the market. "Oh IE will never be able to displace Netscape."
Just because it has the largest portion of the market Now means nothing, because Now isn't what matters. Tommorow is where the future is and that is where the changes will occur. Believing that just because you are number 1 now doesn't mean you will remain number 1. If that were so then netscape would still have 90% of the market.
I think they actually said when mozilla becomes stable (possibly 1.0) then they will ship with mozilla. I don't think they will wait just because it isn't a 1.x release. Mandrake already ships their distro with mozilla. 8.0 came with mozilla 0.8
I believe the roadmap has always said: 0.9.1 (possibly 1.0?)
And the pretty little graphic has always had the 1.0 branch as a grey line over the top of a solid black line, always with the text "When it is ready"
So you cannot accuse mozilla.org or misleading people. I think someone has been suckered in by the mozillaquest hype.
One more thing. If mozilla was a commercial product it would been released as 1.0 a few milestones ago. I read somewhere that the reason it hasn't is because mozilla.org has Very high standards. No crash bugs and 100% standards compliance.
I was in Primary school and computers were NOT user friendly. Everything was DOS based. Not are you saying that Linux with a KDE interface is harder to use than DOS? I don't think so. I think kids are more intelligent than you give them credit for. No matter what you put in front of them for the first time it is going to be alien and hard to use.
Linux was not Designed to be a server. It was designed to be an OS. It just happenes to be used on servers more than anything else, so the comment that it will never make a good desktop solution is crap.