The X-files already taught us there were more amino acids to be discovered. I just hope they find the 5th and 6th nucleotides again, so that there will be proof of extraterrestrials.
And whatever you do, don't let the smoking man get ahold of them, that's how they dissappeared the first time around. And no, he isn't dead. He obviously had the black army/CIA helicopters stage his death. What a drama queen.
I can't argue with your reasoning, but intuitively it doesn't seem right. I'd bet any amount of money the feds will be worrying about this or something like it, and the terrorists will slip through to do something entirely different. Derailing certain trains, whether they are passenger or cargo could be just as devastating in terms of lives lost or damage. Same with ships... sinking an oil tanker in some big port would really screw things up.
Quite possibly. Hard to say. Not sure it applies, this is copyright violation. With M$ stealing GNU software, it would probably be considered a license/contract violation, which might be subject to punative damages and such.
Kids, remember... IANAL and "I, anal (retentive)" are synonyms.
Well, the question is a good one, so I won't ridicule you for asking it. But the answer may not be as reasonable as either of us would like, mind you.
First, there is the element of whether there are many "self-respecting" courts left in this country. Plus, the fact that M$ judge shops whenever it can. Add the two together.
Then, you have scenarios where it approaches (but doesn't reach) plausibility that there might be a big difference. For instance, the walmart price might be $80, but if the illegitimate copy bumped you over a 50 seat limit, for instance, M$ might be able to claim that they tend to get much more for a contract of that size. How much more could they claim? I dunno, maybe not much more. Maybe alot.
The point was, they have more leeway to decide what the fine would be, rather than it being fixed.
Well, there is actually an effort underway to curb that, as much as is legal to do so.
Then, there is the point that those who contribute the most money, tend to be immigrants, or at least were immigrants from the UK at one point. You sent them over here first, after all.
Add to that that we don't hate British people, and that we're sympathetic about the problem. And we may have even helped from time to time with it, when possible.
So yes, I know. As far as that goes, there are probaly muslim US citizens that gave money to alquaeda. They're still all assholes, imo (muslim terrorists and IRA). It'd bother me if there were IRA training grounds in this country too, even though they wouldn't blow us up.
Yeh. It's also the #1 OS because it's the best and people love and buy it. *cough*BeOS*cough*OS/2*cough*
And it's the #1 browser because it's the best and people love and buy it. *cough*netscape*cough*
And NT is the #1 server OS because it's the best and companies love and buy it. *cough*Solaris*cough*IRIX*cough*netware*cough*VMS* cough*anything-at-all*cough*
It is. So, so very very very hard for me to accept it, but it's true.
Your company has an improperly licensed copy of windows somewhere, and the BSA "raids" you.
Some corporate weasel..er, lawyer decides that while that copy is usually $80, in some obtuse set of circumstances, its retail value would be $100,000. In other words, they get to decide just how much the fine will be.
They have to legislate for something that CD/DVD makers should be doing on their own initiative, for their own good?
They can't track it back to the actual purchaser, instead they'll just know that Best Buy Store #768 sold it to an anonymous pirate?
In the EU, you don't have to be a law enforcement organization to carry out a search order?
The courts will assume you actually own the copyright just because you claim to, so that you can file false claims against someone just to fuck with them?
They're suggesting giving police powers to the the alleged victims? ("more powers by copyright holders to seize and preserve evidence of piracy")
My workplace firewall is blocking this, so it has to wait til I go home.
But, I have a sneaking suspicion that it's a "jews eat muslim babies, and the US bankrolls the dinner utensils" story. You'll have to do better than that.
Not that it follows, exactly, that because they have an airport, that there are million dollar professional flight simulators there. They often train pilots elsewhere, mind you.
But for the sake of the argument, assume they do have a few.
You may not have noticed, but I was laying the sarcasm on there, rather thick. It should worry anyone with half a brain that they are where they are. I wonder how many citizens of Islamabad help the terrorists one way or another, and how high up they are before they stop aiding them? What, you think some janitor wouldn't feel obligated to let a few buddies into the building late at night, where they can practice for an hour unnoticed? Or hell, maybe even some airport official, in the middle of the day, so that it won't interfere with the 5 prayers.
If you don't see it as a problem, then you aren't too bright.
"Then of course, there's the fact that being a monopoly isn't illegal, contrary to popular belief so the DOJ wouldn't go after them even if they DID have a monopoly in flight sims. Even theoretically."
Even if said monopoly was a result of illegally leveraging an OS monopoly on a significant software market?
You are either dumb, or the most brilliant troll to grace slashdot's commentary. Honestly.
You had for the first two lines, if I had had mod points, you would have been modded up before I read the third. How? Are you some kind of idiot savant, that can say something brilliant one moment, and then something utterly retarded the very next? Or was this some ingenious scheme of yours, to take the crown of trolldom?
They're gonna mod me down to -1 on this, but it needs to be said.
There is much rhetoric about how we should spend more money on "curing the disease and not the sympton". In general, such a principle sometimes means the person saying it is just a little less dim than the person next to him. But in this case, it is nothing more than a blatant case of cliche-mongering. Islamic terrorism (and by no means do I mean all muslims are terrorists, or that there are not other flavors of terrorism) is an incredibly complex social phenomena, hidden beneath layers and layers of political faction-meistering, diplomatic bullshit, and danger to human life. Very few researchers can even get near the subject, and those that do are threatened and/or ignored. But even then, there is something that is obvious to those who care to try understanding this.
There is no single cause, nor small set of causes, that we might reduce or stifle, that could prevent terrorism in a meaningful way. Nada, nothing. It is like asking what truly causes a nice summer day... lots of things, is the answer. Insanely complex weather and climate patterns build up over periods of time going back to the birth of our planet, all interlocking, dependent on each other, and chaotic in a mathematical way. What can we do to prevent a nice summer day? Not much. No amount of money, effort or willpower will do it.
But if I'm wrong, and there is some simple answer that my tiny little brain can't wrap itself around, why hasn't anyone ever said so in a public way? Why don't you?
Wanna know how you can get rid of this sort of terrorism? I'll tell you how, but with one caveat. It's not something that I could do, or be part of. It's something that I would protest to the point of being thrown in prison for treason or something. And undoubtedly, it's something that you aren't even willing to read all the way through.
We simply wipe them out.
Not like Bush did, tossing a few smart bombs here and there. No, we nuke every living thing in Afghanistan. We bribe China, if necessary, so they don't get pissy about it. Then we move on down the line. Iran, Iraq. Egypt. Libya. And then, for a finale, we obliterate Saudi Arabia. We leave nothing alive. Especially Mecca. We make sure that only cockroaches can survive the pilgrimage. Of course, we'll have to send our own muslims to internment camps, but that's nothing we haven't done before. Maybe we'd even build them a "Mecca USA" and put political pressure on the religious leaders to start pitching that, or else. And of course, irradiated petroleum isn't very cool, so we'd have to have an alternative for it. But this, this would prevent terrorism.
Terrorists, by their nature, are impossible to stop. There are no limiting factors to their behavior. Not even their own religion is a limiting factor, a mullah that would denounce terrorism and plead with them to not commit such, would be viewed as weak, and unwilling to do Allah's work. Even if Binladen did so himself, some miraculous change of heart, most of his followers would splinter off, and continue this.
We, on the other hand, have many such limiting factors. For instance, we (hopefully) would never perform the actions I detailed above, that would fix the situation. We're susceptible to diplomatic pressures. We like our oil too much. We have ethical concerns. In other words, we're fucked.
Please, if you have any grand insights, on how to remove the causes, reply to this. If nothing else, I'll find it entertaining.
No I can't. Microsoft made a point to buy up most of the games/software studios that did that in the mid to late 80's. Not that the DOJ would ever go after them for being a "monopoly" in the flight sim market, but it seems they have habits that they just can't get rid of.
Not that I don't find the running joke here amusing, but the truth is, the terrorists won't bother trying that again. It was a one shot (successful) deal. Only the FBI is stupid enough to waste alot of effort "preventing" that sort of thing.
Likely, the terrorists will resort to something else, perhaps derailing an Amtrak (like it needs alot of help *LOL*).
Too bad it's not really theirs, isn't it? They bought that one way back, but the core code is still someone else's.
Besides, he wasn't necessarily bashing the sim app, but rather the underlying OS (it bluescreened). It's hardly trolling, when it is so incredibly true, need I remind you. You're like those guys that paint flame decals on their Pinto, and then get pissed when people laugh. Just because you've deluded yourself into thinking M$ products are good or acceptable, doesn't mean that it's not obvious to us that the idea is ridiculous.
Actually, you chose a really poor example there. We already did the same thing a week ago on that DRM article. Which is also probably alot closer to the truth than I want to think about.
Yes, the z80 is technically stronger, even I listed several advantages of it (though by no means, all of them). I don't know why I like the 6502, but it's a nice enough chip. I wouldn't want to call it weak, by any means.
Again, I think that a cpu built out of 74xx is an intermediate level project. I'm not sure that I'm really up to that myself. Not a project he shouldn't pursue, but would be difficult and dissappointing this far along. Definitely something you'd do before trying to implement acpu on fpga...
Somewhat true. But if it were in every car newer than 4 yrs old on the road, at that point we're talking a high enough percentage that even aftermarket is now plausible. Make the things cheap, aand give everyone 4 years to become compliant.
And I don't think foreign automakers would lag far behind, if they wanted to be competitive. This is definitely something that Detroit could do first, and have bragging rights for a long time to come.
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Not a troll. Am in the US though. Kinda sucks here, too, doesn't it?
Duh.
Yeh, fixed damages. As opposed to the arbitrary and variable damages we were discussing.
Again, duh.
The X-files already taught us there were more amino acids to be discovered. I just hope they find the 5th and 6th nucleotides again, so that there will be proof of extraterrestrials.
And whatever you do, don't let the smoking man get ahold of them, that's how they dissappeared the first time around. And no, he isn't dead. He obviously had the black army/CIA helicopters stage his death. What a drama queen.
I can't argue with your reasoning, but intuitively it doesn't seem right. I'd bet any amount of money the feds will be worrying about this or something like it, and the terrorists will slip through to do something entirely different. Derailing certain trains, whether they are passenger or cargo could be just as devastating in terms of lives lost or damage. Same with ships... sinking an oil tanker in some big port would really screw things up.
You guys oughtta apply for statehood. Of course, we'd have to drop the america bit, maybe it would be the United States of the Atlantic?
It wouldn't be so we could cross reference them. It would be for orderly disposal.
Quite possibly. Hard to say. Not sure it applies, this is copyright violation. With M$ stealing GNU software, it would probably be considered a license/contract violation, which might be subject to punative damages and such.
Kids, remember... IANAL and "I, anal (retentive)" are synonyms.
Well, the question is a good one, so I won't ridicule you for asking it. But the answer may not be as reasonable as either of us would like, mind you.
First, there is the element of whether there are many "self-respecting" courts left in this country. Plus, the fact that M$ judge shops whenever it can. Add the two together.
Then, you have scenarios where it approaches (but doesn't reach) plausibility that there might be a big difference. For instance, the walmart price might be $80, but if the illegitimate copy bumped you over a 50 seat limit, for instance, M$ might be able to claim that they tend to get much more for a contract of that size. How much more could they claim? I dunno, maybe not much more. Maybe alot.
The point was, they have more leeway to decide what the fine would be, rather than it being fixed.
Well, there is actually an effort underway to curb that, as much as is legal to do so.
Then, there is the point that those who contribute the most money, tend to be immigrants, or at least were immigrants from the UK at one point. You sent them over here first, after all.
Add to that that we don't hate British people, and that we're sympathetic about the problem. And we may have even helped from time to time with it, when possible.
So yes, I know. As far as that goes, there are probaly muslim US citizens that gave money to alquaeda. They're still all assholes, imo (muslim terrorists and IRA). It'd bother me if there were IRA training grounds in this country too, even though they wouldn't blow us up.
Nice troll though.
Would figure you're AC. Moron.
Why don't you stop hiding, and make a real accusation, instead of name-calling and vague innuendo.
Hmm?
Yeh. It's also the #1 OS because it's the best and people love and buy it. *cough*BeOS*cough*OS/2*cough*
* cough*anything-at-all*cough*
And it's the #1 browser because it's the best and people love and buy it. *cough*netscape*cough*
And NT is the #1 server OS because it's the best and companies love and buy it. *cough*Solaris*cough*IRIX*cough*netware*cough*VMS
It is. So, so very very very hard for me to accept it, but it's true.
Your company has an improperly licensed copy of windows somewhere, and the BSA "raids" you.
Some corporate weasel..er, lawyer decides that while that copy is usually $80, in some obtuse set of circumstances, its retail value would be $100,000. In other words, they get to decide just how much the fine will be.
They have to legislate for something that CD/DVD makers should be doing on their own initiative, for their own good?
They can't track it back to the actual purchaser, instead they'll just know that Best Buy Store #768 sold it to an anonymous pirate?
In the EU, you don't have to be a law enforcement organization to carry out a search order?
The courts will assume you actually own the copyright just because you claim to, so that you can file false claims against someone just to fuck with them?
They're suggesting giving police powers to the the alleged victims? ("more powers by copyright holders to seize and preserve evidence of piracy")
Remind me not to visit europe anytime soon.
My workplace firewall is blocking this, so it has to wait til I go home.
But, I have a sneaking suspicion that it's a "jews eat muslim babies, and the US bankrolls the dinner utensils" story. You'll have to do better than that.
Not that it follows, exactly, that because they have an airport, that there are million dollar professional flight simulators there. They often train pilots elsewhere, mind you.
But for the sake of the argument, assume they do have a few.
You may not have noticed, but I was laying the sarcasm on there, rather thick. It should worry anyone with half a brain that they are where they are. I wonder how many citizens of Islamabad help the terrorists one way or another, and how high up they are before they stop aiding them? What, you think some janitor wouldn't feel obligated to let a few buddies into the building late at night, where they can practice for an hour unnoticed? Or hell, maybe even some airport official, in the middle of the day, so that it won't interfere with the 5 prayers.
If you don't see it as a problem, then you aren't too bright.
"Then of course, there's the fact that being a monopoly isn't illegal, contrary to popular belief so the DOJ wouldn't go after them even if they DID have a monopoly in flight sims. Even theoretically."
Even if said monopoly was a result of illegally leveraging an OS monopoly on a significant software market?
You are either dumb, or the most brilliant troll to grace slashdot's commentary. Honestly.
You had for the first two lines, if I had had mod points, you would have been modded up before I read the third. How? Are you some kind of idiot savant, that can say something brilliant one moment, and then something utterly retarded the very next? Or was this some ingenious scheme of yours, to take the crown of trolldom?
They're gonna mod me down to -1 on this, but it needs to be said.
There is much rhetoric about how we should spend more money on "curing the disease and not the sympton". In general, such a principle sometimes means the person saying it is just a little less dim than the person next to him. But in this case, it is nothing more than a blatant case of cliche-mongering. Islamic terrorism (and by no means do I mean all muslims are terrorists, or that there are not other flavors of terrorism) is an incredibly complex social phenomena, hidden beneath layers and layers of political faction-meistering, diplomatic bullshit, and danger to human life. Very few researchers can even get near the subject, and those that do are threatened and/or ignored. But even then, there is something that is obvious to those who care to try understanding this.
There is no single cause, nor small set of causes, that we might reduce or stifle, that could prevent terrorism in a meaningful way. Nada, nothing. It is like asking what truly causes a nice summer day... lots of things, is the answer. Insanely complex weather and climate patterns build up over periods of time going back to the birth of our planet, all interlocking, dependent on each other, and chaotic in a mathematical way. What can we do to prevent a nice summer day? Not much. No amount of money, effort or willpower will do it.
But if I'm wrong, and there is some simple answer that my tiny little brain can't wrap itself around, why hasn't anyone ever said so in a public way? Why don't you?
Wanna know how you can get rid of this sort of terrorism? I'll tell you how, but with one caveat. It's not something that I could do, or be part of. It's something that I would protest to the point of being thrown in prison for treason or something. And undoubtedly, it's something that you aren't even willing to read all the way through.
We simply wipe them out.
Not like Bush did, tossing a few smart bombs here and there. No, we nuke every living thing in Afghanistan. We bribe China, if necessary, so they don't get pissy about it. Then we move on down the line. Iran, Iraq. Egypt. Libya. And then, for a finale, we obliterate Saudi Arabia. We leave nothing alive. Especially Mecca. We make sure that only cockroaches can survive the pilgrimage. Of course, we'll have to send our own muslims to internment camps, but that's nothing we haven't done before. Maybe we'd even build them a "Mecca USA" and put political pressure on the religious leaders to start pitching that, or else. And of course, irradiated petroleum isn't very cool, so we'd have to have an alternative for it. But this, this would prevent terrorism.
Terrorists, by their nature, are impossible to stop. There are no limiting factors to their behavior. Not even their own religion is a limiting factor, a mullah that would denounce terrorism and plead with them to not commit such, would be viewed as weak, and unwilling to do Allah's work. Even if Binladen did so himself, some miraculous change of heart, most of his followers would splinter off, and continue this.
We, on the other hand, have many such limiting factors. For instance, we (hopefully) would never perform the actions I detailed above, that would fix the situation. We're susceptible to diplomatic pressures. We like our oil too much. We have ethical concerns. In other words, we're fucked.
Please, if you have any grand insights, on how to remove the causes, reply to this. If nothing else, I'll find it entertaining.
You're right. We shouldn't bother worrying at all, if we notice that someone in Islamabad has a 747 flight simulator.
No I can't. Microsoft made a point to buy up most of the games/software studios that did that in the mid to late 80's. Not that the DOJ would ever go after them for being a "monopoly" in the flight sim market, but it seems they have habits that they just can't get rid of.
Not that I don't find the running joke here amusing, but the truth is, the terrorists won't bother trying that again. It was a one shot (successful) deal. Only the FBI is stupid enough to waste alot of effort "preventing" that sort of thing.
Likely, the terrorists will resort to something else, perhaps derailing an Amtrak (like it needs alot of help *LOL*).
Too bad it's not really theirs, isn't it? They bought that one way back, but the core code is still someone else's.
Besides, he wasn't necessarily bashing the sim app, but rather the underlying OS (it bluescreened). It's hardly trolling, when it is so incredibly true, need I remind you. You're like those guys that paint flame decals on their Pinto, and then get pissed when people laugh. Just because you've deluded yourself into thinking M$ products are good or acceptable, doesn't mean that it's not obvious to us that the idea is ridiculous.
Actually, you chose a really poor example there. We already did the same thing a week ago on that DRM article. Which is also probably alot closer to the truth than I want to think about.
Yes, the z80 is technically stronger, even I listed several advantages of it (though by no means, all of them). I don't know why I like the 6502, but it's a nice enough chip. I wouldn't want to call it weak, by any means.
Again, I think that a cpu built out of 74xx is an intermediate level project. I'm not sure that I'm really up to that myself. Not a project he shouldn't pursue, but would be difficult and dissappointing this far along. Definitely something you'd do before trying to implement acpu on fpga...
If you even read my post, you'd see I wasn't talking about a web kiosk on the driver's side dashboard.
My idea is morer akin to expanded driver visibility (ala that new night vision HUD) and turn signals (more than just left/right).
Somewhat true. But if it were in every car newer than 4 yrs old on the road, at that point we're talking a high enough percentage that even aftermarket is now plausible. Make the things cheap, aand give everyone 4 years to become compliant.
And I don't think foreign automakers would lag far behind, if they wanted to be competitive. This is definitely something that Detroit could do first, and have bragging rights for a long time to come.