Sega Master System - Z80 cpu. no idea of mhz Sega Genesis - MC68000 cpu, z80 cpu for sound Sega 32x - SH2 cpu, able to utilize 68k as coprocessor Sega Saturn - Dual Hitachi SH3's, 68k for sound Sega Dreamcast - SH4 cpu, (SH3 for sound? heh)
Anyone have any idea what the Game Gear used? I'm guessing z80, though it might have been others.
Christ. Every single OS installer out there is better than windows. Dos was simple. MacOS is simple... BeOS kicked ass, or so I'm told. I had less trouble with Netware 4.1, and at that time, I didn't know a thing about it. I'm trying to think of an OS that was really obtuse, but damned if there is one that made you fiddle around for weeks like windows will. Hell, even the early slackware installers (2.x) were pretty decent.
Translation: "MS's setup is the *only* OS setup I have ever used, period".
Well, sheet metal is easy, it's stamped. For about $500 for a decent compressor, and another $200 for a 40 ton hydrraulic press (this is how much pressure, not how much it weighs) you'd have the basic machinery. Small dies would be rather cheap, maybe as little as 5-10 hours work, and $100 raw materials. A die, by the way, fits in the press, and acts like a cookie cutter. It can cut, bend, and stretch metal, even into shapes that you wouldn't think possible.
I've been wanting to do this for awhile, but even the simplest die still requires a decent machine shop. Harbor Freight Tools does have a cheapy mill (metal cutting/shaping tool) for about $300....
Plastic pieces require an injection molding maachine. The molds are carved out of aluminum generally, and would be cheap to make. They're chemically treated (anodized), and I've found a local firm that will do it cheaply (about $20 per). Generally, even used injection mold machines are too expensive for the hobbyist ($5000+) but I've heard of people building their own.
If you'rer serious, but strapped for cash, a dremel and some vises can do alot for simple things. It is only sheet metal, after all, and if you're careful, you can bend it precisely and attractively. Never been able to make them look as slick or mass produced, though.
So get to sorting. I'm sure you'll have it done in time to reply to my comment.;) Seriously, I wonder how many weeks/months it would be, before they noticed?
My general rule of thumb is... if it isn't x86, and it's not a recent mac, it's vintage. These are the computers of my childhood, and even if they don't deserve that distinction in age, they deserve it for style, I don't like what Apple has become, but the compact macs kicked ass. Not that I'm a mac nut... I also have 4 or 5 amigas, at least 3 atari ST's and very nearly anything else you can think of.
Why don't people think, before posting? I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Sure, as someone who has sucked on the teat of capitalism all his life, it seems like a neat system. Hell, I'll grant you that it's nice, even in aa reasonably idealized state... something that if it ever existed at any time in history, it was a very brief.
Capitalism isn't win/win. Tell that to the people dying in third world countries, because drug companies have to protect their intellectual property. Capitalism has several advantages, I'll grant you, but needs to be heavily regulated, so that it doesn't squash people whose only crime is being born in the wrong country. Capitalism is completely amoral, and is only tolerable when we leash it with our own morals. I'm tired of retards worshipping it, like you do.
Do you honestly think I like communism? Or any of the other failed economic systems that you can dredge up from history? You must not want something better. You seem to think this is the pinnacle of human endeavor.
The AT&T 7300 Unix PC. Or one of its brothers, the 3b1 or 3b2. I yearn for the days of Starlan 1base5 (Not really, first network gear I had were 3 thinnet ethernet cards, but you get the idea).
It's much simpler to just drop them off at my house. And if you can't be bothered, call me, and I'll come pick them up.
Besides, you could at least be creative. For instance, I have a friend who heats his house in the winter with some Vaxen. He also gets some free cpu cycles out of all that heat too, even if it means VMS. That's what I call reuse.
Agreed. But I can't wait to see what the gungho capitalism trolls will have to say about this. "Oh that would cost too much" or maybe "Are you trying to castrate free enterprise?".
I recycle at home myself. I'm pretty good at sorting metal... I'd settle for mandatory plastic codes on all plastic items. I've tossed a few old computer cases (damaged, etc) and the plastic front covers are almost impossible to ID. And of course our local recycling only takes type 1 and 2, so I ended up landfilling it. Makes me feel kind of guilty. (No, I don't feel guilty about type 3+... that's my local gov's fault, I'm more than willing to presort it for the curb).
Wow, not only did I get my first "first post" ever... but it is so damn close to getting every single moderation. Please, someone... give it a flamebait or insightful.:)
You know you're on to something, when the moderation is so ambiguous. Hehehe...
That's an SE30. Big difference. Besides, sounds like the gutted the thing. I'm talking about an actual accelerator card. Plugs into the pds slot. Besides, anyone who is into these kinds of conversions knows that the proper way to add a CD drive is front mounted, quarter height SCSI. The SE30 has enough room internally for a 1/4 height (or is it 1/8 height, I forget) drive.. and it only requires minimal dremel work for the front panel. Even better, I've heard talk of getting a slot loading CD drive, and having that exposed in the 30's grillwork.
Why the hell would you have the CD drive rear mounted? Some people have absolutely no style.
Goodwill actually auctions off most of the cool stuff, before it ever gets to thrift stores. Furniture and other big stuff, and for some reason, especially computers. Usually in the mornings, several times a week. I've gotten dozens of vintage computers, tons of hardware, and other cool stuff there.
I love ignorant trolls. Sure, you're obnoxious, but you're good for contrasting my intelligent posts.
Using "costs" as a counter-argument to my comment is... well, stupid. I was pointing out that profit as an "innovation motivator" is false. There is a correlation, but the cause of innovation is very rarely greed, if ever.
But I'm feeling generous. Let's argue what you want to argue. Expense... the thing morons like yourself always fall back on. Money isn't an abstraction of gold, or pearls, or industrial raw materials. It isn't the gameboard tokens of the rich and powerful. In its most honest, and least evil state, it is simply an abstraction of work. I get a paycheck, as a literal translation of the work I performed.
In which case... those thousands of man hours of labor ARE money. So including the word "paid" in there is circular.
Um. I never mentioned "people", and I never implied it. I was referring to large institutions. Whatever it is that they have, that continues to "produce innovation" for them, it isn't the monetary motivation. I thought I made this point well, but you obviously smoke crack.
Yes, some profitable companies innovate. Some unprofitable ones do too. Some companies don't innovate at all... do you not think that the executives are running around like retarded little millionaires screaming "Innovate for profit!" ? Whatever inspires the genius that does the work, it isn't the big profits that he'll see... likely, he won't see much of that. Profit as an innovation motivator is a lie.
People who butcher vintage computers make me sick. It's like chopping up a Model T, or 50's Tbird, and using the pieces of sheet metal to patch your AMC Gremlin.
Besides, I just got a decent 9" (monochrome) SVGA monitor for $5. Just gotta know where to look...
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Not what I've read. I was under the impression that the SMS converter for genesis sported its own z80 for just that purpose.
Sega Master System - Z80 cpu. no idea of mhz
Sega Genesis - MC68000 cpu, z80 cpu for sound
Sega 32x - SH2 cpu, able to utilize 68k as coprocessor
Sega Saturn - Dual Hitachi SH3's, 68k for sound
Sega Dreamcast - SH4 cpu, (SH3 for sound? heh)
Anyone have any idea what the Game Gear used? I'm guessing z80, though it might have been others.
Gives a whole new meaning to embedded operating system, eh? ;)
Christ. Every single OS installer out there is better than windows. Dos was simple. MacOS is simple... BeOS kicked ass, or so I'm told. I had less trouble with Netware 4.1, and at that time, I didn't know a thing about it. I'm trying to think of an OS that was really obtuse, but damned if there is one that made you fiddle around for weeks like windows will. Hell, even the early slackware installers (2.x) were pretty decent.
Translation: "MS's setup is the *only* OS setup I have ever used, period".
Well, sheet metal is easy, it's stamped. For about $500 for a decent compressor, and another $200 for a 40 ton hydrraulic press (this is how much pressure, not how much it weighs) you'd have the basic machinery. Small dies would be rather cheap, maybe as little as 5-10 hours work, and $100 raw materials. A die, by the way, fits in the press, and acts like a cookie cutter. It can cut, bend, and stretch metal, even into shapes that you wouldn't think possible.
I've been wanting to do this for awhile, but even the simplest die still requires a decent machine shop. Harbor Freight Tools does have a cheapy mill (metal cutting/shaping tool) for about $300....
Plastic pieces require an injection molding maachine. The molds are carved out of aluminum generally, and would be cheap to make. They're chemically treated (anodized), and I've found a local firm that will do it cheaply (about $20 per). Generally, even used injection mold machines are too expensive for the hobbyist ($5000+) but I've heard of people building their own.
If you'rer serious, but strapped for cash, a dremel and some vises can do alot for simple things. It is only sheet metal, after all, and if you're careful, you can bend it precisely and attractively. Never been able to make them look as slick or mass produced, though.
So get to sorting. I'm sure you'll have it done in time to reply to my comment. ;) Seriously, I wonder how many weeks/months it would be, before they noticed?
My general rule of thumb is... if it isn't x86, and it's not a recent mac, it's vintage. These are the computers of my childhood, and even if they don't deserve that distinction in age, they deserve it for style, I don't like what Apple has become, but the compact macs kicked ass. Not that I'm a mac nut... I also have 4 or 5 amigas, at least 3 atari ST's and very nearly anything else you can think of.
Maybe I just like non-x86 machines.
Why don't people think, before posting?
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Sure, as someone who has sucked on the teat of capitalism all his life, it seems like a neat system. Hell, I'll grant you that it's nice, even in aa reasonably idealized state... something that if it ever existed at any time in history, it was a very brief.
Capitalism isn't win/win. Tell that to the people dying in third world countries, because drug companies have to protect their intellectual property. Capitalism has several advantages, I'll grant you, but needs to be heavily regulated, so that it doesn't squash people whose only crime is being born in the wrong country. Capitalism is completely amoral, and is only tolerable when we leash it with our own morals. I'm tired of retards worshipping it, like you do.
Do you honestly think I like communism? Or any of the other failed economic systems that you can dredge up from history? You must not want something better. You seem to think this is the pinnacle of human endeavor.
As many as I like.
Turn off sigs, for Christ's sake, if it bugs you that much.
(Take off every sig, for great justice?)
Cause unlike some, I actually like computers?
The AT&T 7300 Unix PC. Or one of its brothers, the 3b1 or 3b2. I yearn for the days of Starlan 1base5 (Not really, first network gear I had were 3 thinnet ethernet cards, but you get the idea).
But dammit, I wish it were the same one as mine!
*raised hand*
It's much simpler to just drop them off at my house. And if you can't be bothered, call me, and I'll come pick them up.
Besides, you could at least be creative. For instance, I have a friend who heats his house in the winter with some Vaxen. He also gets some free cpu cycles out of all that heat too, even if it means VMS. That's what I call reuse.
Heh. You have to fit it in a compact mac case first, bonehead. I haven't seen very many dual athlon micro-atx mobos...
Agreed. But I can't wait to see what the gungho capitalism trolls will have to say about this. "Oh that would cost too much" or maybe "Are you trying to castrate free enterprise?".
I recycle at home myself. I'm pretty good at sorting metal... I'd settle for mandatory plastic codes on all plastic items. I've tossed a few old computer cases (damaged, etc) and the plastic front covers are almost impossible to ID. And of course our local recycling only takes type 1 and 2, so I ended up landfilling it. Makes me feel kind of guilty. (No, I don't feel guilty about type 3+... that's my local gov's fault, I'm more than willing to presort it for the curb).
Wow, not only did I get my first "first post" ever... but it is so damn close to getting every single moderation. Please, someone... give it a flamebait or insightful. :)
You know you're on to something, when the moderation is so ambiguous. Hehehe...
That's an SE30. Big difference. Besides, sounds like the gutted the thing. I'm talking about an actual accelerator card. Plugs into the pds slot. Besides, anyone who is into these kinds of conversions knows that the proper way to add a CD drive is front mounted, quarter height SCSI. The SE30 has enough room internally for a 1/4 height (or is it 1/8 height, I forget) drive.. and it only requires minimal dremel work for the front panel. Even better, I've heard talk of getting a slot loading CD drive, and having that exposed in the 30's grillwork.
Why the hell would you have the CD drive rear mounted? Some people have absolutely no style.
Actually, the world would probably be a better place, if people all landfilled their TV's, and dug out those old macs. Learn 68k asm.
;)
I choose not to take a stance on use milk cartons at this time. Some of those were classics.
Toss out old unix boxen. I've been wanting a PArisc box for years. Don't suppose you'd be willing to ship?
A friend and I are toying around with the idea of a MacSE PPC accelerator board. And it wouldn't rely on emulation/cheating.
Wanna race?
Goodwill actually auctions off most of the cool stuff, before it ever gets to thrift stores. Furniture and other big stuff, and for some reason, especially computers. Usually in the mornings, several times a week. I've gotten dozens of vintage computers, tons of hardware, and other cool stuff there.
Sadly, the 9" screen was a single item.
I love ignorant trolls. Sure, you're obnoxious, but you're good for contrasting my intelligent posts.
... well, stupid. I was pointing out that profit as an "innovation motivator" is false. There is a correlation, but the cause of innovation is very rarely greed, if ever.
Using "costs" as a counter-argument to my comment is
But I'm feeling generous. Let's argue what you want to argue. Expense... the thing morons like yourself always fall back on. Money isn't an abstraction of gold, or pearls, or industrial raw materials. It isn't the gameboard tokens of the rich and powerful. In its most honest, and least evil state, it is simply an abstraction of work. I get a paycheck, as a literal translation of the work I performed.
In which case... those thousands of man hours of labor ARE money. So including the word "paid" in there is circular.
Um. I never mentioned "people", and I never implied it. I was referring to large institutions. Whatever it is that they have, that continues to "produce innovation" for them, it isn't the monetary motivation. I thought I made this point well, but you obviously smoke crack.
Yes, some profitable companies innovate. Some unprofitable ones do too. Some companies don't innovate at all... do you not think that the executives are running around like retarded little millionaires screaming "Innovate for profit!" ? Whatever inspires the genius that does the work, it isn't the big profits that he'll see... likely, he won't see much of that. Profit as an innovation motivator is a lie.
People who butcher vintage computers make me sick. It's like chopping up a Model T, or 50's Tbird, and using the pieces of sheet metal to patch your AMC Gremlin.
Besides, I just got a decent 9" (monochrome) SVGA monitor for $5. Just gotta know where to look...