Yes, that's a good attitude. So learn. Or be willing to make due with tablescraps from those who do. This "you've left out" bullshit taken to its extreme just makes for dumb people.
1984: "This GUI thing you've got, you've just left out everyone that doesn't know how to use it, it will never work!"
There will be a basic interface eventually, but it will never be as poweful. It's going to take me alot longer to design it. I may not go through with it after all.
But if you aren't one of those that refuses to learn, here's your first lesson... "select * from table".
I agree. When you see the guy who built his own house with his own two hands, you don't scream at him "You big losers, millions of people have built houses before!". Even something mundane, finished to completion, is often admirable.
Actually, I am working on this problem. But instead of a lame tag-based system, I've opted for a strict relational model.
Each picture consists of one or more actions. Each action consists of of exactly two people (both of which can point to the same person record). Each person record is broken up into "static" (things unchanging throughout their life, e.g. birth name), "daily" (things true for a short period of time, e.g. color her hair was dyed that week), and "instant" (things only true for that split second the photo was taken).
The data model is much more complete than this, and more importantly, I've found a way to actually collect the metadata.
Let people in for free. Have them go through a custom webapp, collecting the metadata (clicking on the photo with the mouse, to grab the pixel color value for skintone), maybe as few as just a few pictures a week. In exchange, they get to search for free.
When finished, it should be possible to search only for pictures with just one girl, whose legs are spread exactly 57 degrees in a "sitting up" pose.
Like I said, you wouldn't believe just how much metadata I figure it's possible to collect.
Opera 8 had a decent enough subset of SVG. Could only do still pictures, but not everyone is doing interactive applets like myself. Konq 3.x does as much, too. Supposedly Konqueror 4, Netscape 9 and the next official Safari will all do that SVG you just looked at.
Why in the hell would I want to try to make it work in IE? I'm doing people a favor when I force them to use a real browser.
This will eventually be an integral part of the webapp I'm coding, and even after I fixed mimetype issues so that IE didn't barf on xhtml, it's still a joke. I'd spend an incredible amount of time just fixing the CSS, let alone all my javascript. And the SVG applets which are absolutely necessary... not even a chance. I might as well try to fix it so it would work in lynx too, except lynx probably sucks less.
Yeh, except this one was prominently featured on ynot.com until just a little while ago, I believe. They were about as close to trustworthy a site as there is for legit operators, and so anyone displaying big prominent ads on their site sort of looked legit too, by association.
Look, I could continue with this forever, but I'd suggest some background in macroeconomics.
Translation: These aren't the droids you are looking for. *waves hand*
And other than pissing and moaning, I've yet to hear a solution from you.
Translation: Pointing out flaws isn't allowed unless you already have a solution, and you aren't allowed to have a solution unless you've already shown that it works.
What do you do? How do you prevent jobs from going overseas?
Beats me, but unless you're (or perhaps your children) are part of the small minority of elites, you (or your children) might have to try to sell T-shirts labeled "I was fucked over by macroeconomics and the invisible hand didn't even give me a reach-around" out of the car that you live in.
Want proof? Wait 50 years. I do not know that it will happen next year, hell, I'm not exactly stocking up on landmines and canned food myself, but within your own lifetime you will see how it all goes down. If you're one of the few lucky, it might be from the other side of the divide, and you can snicker and chuckle at that old slashdot fool, NoMoreNicksLeft.
Yes, it sucks for individuals when jobs are lost. What would suck more would be for the US to turn into a third-world nation
Nothing you've said even suggests that we're somehow less likely to turn into a third world nation the way things are going now.
Yes, you're looking at it backwards - jobs are sent overseas because no one here wants to perform them
Uh, what fucking planet are you from? Jobs are sent overseas because someone at the middle management level or above decides it would be cheaper to hire indians or chinese or whatever. What kind of weasel-speak translates that to "no one wants to perform them" ?
Your argument falls when one considers the unemployment rate of under 5%.
The unemployment rate which is manipulated so that it doesn't look so bad? That one? Independent phone polling with large enough samples has its problems too (young people have cells, not landlines), but it gives numbers wildly different than what the Dept of Labor does.
Then, we can consider those who have jobs, but have unsatisfactory ones. People working at 7-Eleven for $6.50 an hour, because unemployment is up, and they'll burn through savings less quickly. That job isn't sustainable. At some point, savings are gone, credit cards are maxed, and bills aren't getting paid. How much do you want to bet those jobs are counted against unemployment?
If we were losing tons of high-tech jobs, *then* I'd be concerned.
Everyone raise a hand that's seen a tech job outsourced. Oh wait, we're only allowed to count *high*-tech jobs... guess that means that unless you're a Phd in materials science whose had his nanotech research job sent to India, doesn't count?
I'll go jump back on the education treadmill.
Well, I can't really explain your feeling the way you do.
I can. Above average intelligence. Finely honed sense of intuition. I feel that way, because at some fundamental level, I am right.
Put it another way - how many tech jobs have been created in the last 10 years
Were they created? I seem to remember Mcdonalds being reclassified as manufacturing to bump some numbers.
If you disagree, how would you maintain this country
I would make a point of identifying the rare individuals who are pathologically averse to holding power, who aren't corruptable. Then I'd appoint them to office. Let them figure it out. But...
It occurs to me that corporations are too irresponsible and profit-mongering to be allowed to run an economy. I am aware of all the failed efforts of history to do things differently, but that does not mean that our current system will not fail spectacularly some time in the future. I have no faith in it, and those who do tend to toot its horn can't explain why they like it so much, except to make it sound like a religion.
There's a certain number of people who need things, and there is a certain number of people who are able to work, and a certain amount of work to get done to do those things. Add on top of that, a certain amount of work to do creating some reasonable amount of luxury on top of it. Somewhere in there, is a simple, elegant solution. It's currently being hidden by those who wish to exploit the system we have now.
Education requirement inflation is probably irreversible at this point. But at least you see that it exists, the parent poster probably has some half-assed explanation about it being natural.
We are currently engaged in some bizarre adventurism with no clear goals, no way to achieve victory, and not even so much as contrived provocation. We don't even have the flimsy excuse of trying to contain soviet communism this time around.
Even dumb people knew that, and knew it in time to cast votes.
Whatever legitimate support dubya recieved had more to do with holyrollers and people who listen to country music than anything else. Baptists have it so ingrained in their cult-addled minds that democrats = satan, that republicans have an automatic win there... no matter how much their policy goes against the teachings of Jesus. Ironic that, isn't it?
Even so, I don't think that this was enough to have given him anything like the clear victory that others are chalking it up as. They just had more practice the second time around, and screwed up less because of it.
is that to maintain a position of world leadership economically
Does anyone that is struggling to find a new job, to afford rent, and to feed their kids really worried whether or not the US is an economic leader? I'm sure they feel proud to make the sacrifice so that XYZ Corp.'s stock is up 3 points above it's 52 week high, and that's all they *really* need, isn't it?
economic growth is not a zero sum game, but the labor market is. There are only enough jobs to go around. As long as we're outsourcing the crappy jobs, that's an indication that the American economy is humming along just fine.
Really? So it's impossible for them to get rid of jobs without replacing them here? After all, the labor market is zero sum. They could send all the jobs overseas, and leave none here. Or is there some magical economic phenomena that replaces any job that is outsourced?
Why am I the only one here that feels as if we're all being lied to? That the happy-go-lucky "you just don't understand the wonderful economics of it all!" propaganda is just that? They do this in pyramid schemes all the time, just long enough for the culprits to make off with all the money that we paid for the "training materials".
Brag up my own site. I'm only using a modest amount of ajaxy stuff, but I'm making heavy use of javascript/svg, for things that people wouldn't think possible without java.
It is sort of a picture trading site, I suppose you could say. Free users get credit for uploading pictures, and for using a webapp to enter metadata about those already uploaded. All pictures thusly cataloged are searchable (and no, it isn't just tags). Wish I could show some of the applets, but they're not really SFW.
They're about equal. Do you think that Dubya found religion, and decided to play fair the second time around?
See, everyone is supposed to pick a favorite team, just like in pro sports. Seen in that light, no one can make any claims at all, because everyone assumes anything mildly controversial is just being silly, you know, claiming that the refs made a bad call on the [insert championship game here]. Really, I hate both Kerry and Gore, and I'm scared shitless of how bad they could have fucked things up, if they had been in office. That said, Dubya is even worse.
Yes. Little old me, highschool dropout, loser, as far removed from the halls of power and intrigue as anyone ever could be, I'm going to be able to not just show evidence, but *prove* it to you.
Meanwhile, you can be happily naive, that the government works the way it wants to, and that everyone plays fair. I would insult you, but there's nothing really worse than thinking the thoughts you already must think, it is truly some sort of greek hell to believe the tripe they feed you.
Wow, you should get together with that guy who supposedly said in 1899 that the patent office should be closed because there was nothing left to invent.
Oh, there is new technology, to be sure. But you won't be selling tokomaks on the streetcorner from an apple cart. Are you really this stupid, or are you just trolling?
The Internet is just getting started, biotech is like computers in 1960, and nanotech is decades behind that. Robotics has only made it to the home vacuum cleaner, space travel is in its infancy, and we still get most of our power from fossil fuels.
Internet: Already outsourced. Biotech: In the process of being outsourced. I wouldn't recommend that youg kids plan on going to college for it. Nanotech: All high tech manufacturing already takes place in other countries. Research and development? India has brilliant engineers too, you know. Robotics: Again, all electronics manufacturing is elsewhere. Space travel: How in the hell will this provide more than a few hundred jobs, even if it happens here in the US? Most launch sites are equatorial. Please tell me, will we all be spaceflight attendants? Pilots? Ground crew? This is not an industry that can employ 20 million people. It's not one that can employ 10,000. Energy: Sure, we need something other than oil. How many people do you think it will take to crew a fusion plant? Or even a modern fission one?
You might as well have suggested we all become lawyers and daytraders, you dumbass.
The popular vote doesn't win an election. Explain to me the exit poll discrepancies. Then, for extra credit, tell me how the vote was run in Florida, for instance, and why this election didn't have any more than the normal dose of election fraud hijinks.
The problem is that there are few industries left to create, and that those that remain are nothing like what has come before. The things that humanity will build between now and 2050 aren't things that some Henry Ford could crank off an assembly line, or that will employ anywhere near as many as Ford's assembly line workers.
Sure, it's not a zero sum game, if you own a few hundred thousand shares in whatever corporation is raking it in in India. Guess how much stock I own? Is there nowhere in your sophisticated economics science that says that there are such things as phase change? You keep talking about how things will be as before, we'll come up with something new, and it will all be shiny and happy again. Me, I know that water continues to shrink as it gets colder, until it freezes, and then it expands. If you think economies can't have all sorts of counter-intuitive gotchas, it sounds more like religious faith than it does reason.
Slashdot Mirror
Liberal propaganda?
Yes, that's a good attitude. So learn. Or be willing to make due with tablescraps from those who do. This "you've left out" bullshit taken to its extreme just makes for dumb people.
1984: "This GUI thing you've got, you've just left out everyone that doesn't know how to use it, it will never work!"
There will be a basic interface eventually, but it will never be as poweful. It's going to take me alot longer to design it. I may not go through with it after all.
But if you aren't one of those that refuses to learn, here's your first lesson... "select * from table".
Two things. Build a community around it, of early adopters who understand the model and can write complex SQL queries.
And let them trade saved queries. Want something specific, tweak a query someone else wrote. Tags alone will never be able to do what this does.
Talk to me in a year, and you can have a free account.
I agree. When you see the guy who built his own house with his own two hands, you don't scream at him "You big losers, millions of people have built houses before!". Even something mundane, finished to completion, is often admirable.
Actually, I am working on this problem. But instead of a lame tag-based system, I've opted for a strict relational model.
Each picture consists of one or more actions.
Each action consists of of exactly two people (both of which can point to the same person record).
Each person record is broken up into "static" (things unchanging throughout their life, e.g. birth name), "daily" (things true for a short period of time, e.g. color her hair was dyed that week), and "instant" (things only true for that split second the photo was taken).
The data model is much more complete than this, and more importantly, I've found a way to actually collect the metadata.
Let people in for free. Have them go through a custom webapp, collecting the metadata (clicking on the photo with the mouse, to grab the pixel color value for skintone), maybe as few as just a few pictures a week. In exchange, they get to search for free.
When finished, it should be possible to search only for pictures with just one girl, whose legs are spread exactly 57 degrees in a "sitting up" pose.
Like I said, you wouldn't believe just how much metadata I figure it's possible to collect.
Anyone want a free account?
Opera 8 had a decent enough subset of SVG. Could only do still pictures, but not everyone is doing interactive applets like myself. Konq 3.x does as much, too. Supposedly Konqueror 4, Netscape 9 and the next official Safari will all do that SVG you just looked at.
Why in the hell would I want to try to make it work in IE? I'm doing people a favor when I force them to use a real browser.
Both Firefox 1.5 and Opera 9 render my inverse kinematics SVG demo flawlessly.
This will eventually be an integral part of the webapp I'm coding, and even after I fixed mimetype issues so that IE didn't barf on xhtml, it's still a joke. I'd spend an incredible amount of time just fixing the CSS, let alone all my javascript. And the SVG applets which are absolutely necessary... not even a chance. I might as well try to fix it so it would work in lynx too, except lynx probably sucks less.
Damn. Had to ask.
I need to get an atari hooked up to my localtalk network is all. That, and an AS400.
Don't suppose you no longer want the Atari Falcon, do you?
Even less likely, are you in the Baltimore, MD area?
Yeh, except this one was prominently featured on ynot.com until just a little while ago, I believe. They were about as close to trustworthy a site as there is for legit operators, and so anyone displaying big prominent ads on their site sort of looked legit too, by association.
You're into porn and compulsively click links in sigs?
I prefer mine beer-battered. Or even stir-fried for that matter.
Look, I could continue with this forever, but I'd suggest some background in macroeconomics.
Translation: These aren't the droids you are looking for. *waves hand*
And other than pissing and moaning, I've yet to hear a solution from you.
Translation: Pointing out flaws isn't allowed unless you already have a solution, and you aren't allowed to have a solution unless you've already shown that it works.
What do you do? How do you prevent jobs from going overseas?
Beats me, but unless you're (or perhaps your children) are part of the small minority of elites, you (or your children) might have to try to sell T-shirts labeled "I was fucked over by macroeconomics and the invisible hand didn't even give me a reach-around" out of the car that you live in.
Want proof? Wait 50 years. I do not know that it will happen next year, hell, I'm not exactly stocking up on landmines and canned food myself, but within your own lifetime you will see how it all goes down. If you're one of the few lucky, it might be from the other side of the divide, and you can snicker and chuckle at that old slashdot fool, NoMoreNicksLeft.
Yes, it sucks for individuals when jobs are lost. What would suck more would be for the US to turn into a third-world nation
Nothing you've said even suggests that we're somehow less likely to turn into a third world nation the way things are going now.
Yes, you're looking at it backwards - jobs are sent overseas because no one here wants to perform them
Uh, what fucking planet are you from? Jobs are sent overseas because someone at the middle management level or above decides it would be cheaper to hire indians or chinese or whatever. What kind of weasel-speak translates that to "no one wants to perform them" ?
Your argument falls when one considers the unemployment rate of under 5%.
The unemployment rate which is manipulated so that it doesn't look so bad? That one? Independent phone polling with large enough samples has its problems too (young people have cells, not landlines), but it gives numbers wildly different than what the Dept of Labor does.
Then, we can consider those who have jobs, but have unsatisfactory ones. People working at 7-Eleven for $6.50 an hour, because unemployment is up, and they'll burn through savings less quickly. That job isn't sustainable. At some point, savings are gone, credit cards are maxed, and bills aren't getting paid. How much do you want to bet those jobs are counted against unemployment?
If we were losing tons of high-tech jobs, *then* I'd be concerned.
Everyone raise a hand that's seen a tech job outsourced. Oh wait, we're only allowed to count *high*-tech jobs... guess that means that unless you're a Phd in materials science whose had his nanotech research job sent to India, doesn't count?
I'll go jump back on the education treadmill.
Well, I can't really explain your feeling the way you do.
I can. Above average intelligence. Finely honed sense of intuition. I feel that way, because at some fundamental level, I am right.
Put it another way - how many tech jobs have been created in the last 10 years
Were they created? I seem to remember Mcdonalds being reclassified as manufacturing to bump some numbers.
If you disagree, how would you maintain this country
I would make a point of identifying the rare individuals who are pathologically averse to holding power, who aren't corruptable. Then I'd appoint them to office. Let them figure it out. But...
It occurs to me that corporations are too irresponsible and profit-mongering to be allowed to run an economy. I am aware of all the failed efforts of history to do things differently, but that does not mean that our current system will not fail spectacularly some time in the future. I have no faith in it, and those who do tend to toot its horn can't explain why they like it so much, except to make it sound like a religion.
There's a certain number of people who need things, and there is a certain number of people who are able to work, and a certain amount of work to get done to do those things. Add on top of that, a certain amount of work to do creating some reasonable amount of luxury on top of it. Somewhere in there, is a simple, elegant solution. It's currently being hidden by those who wish to exploit the system we have now.
Education requirement inflation is probably irreversible at this point. But at least you see that it exists, the parent poster probably has some half-assed explanation about it being natural.
We aren't at war.
No declaration of war was made by congress.
We are currently engaged in some bizarre adventurism with no clear goals, no way to achieve victory, and not even so much as contrived provocation. We don't even have the flimsy excuse of trying to contain soviet communism this time around.
Even dumb people knew that, and knew it in time to cast votes.
Whatever legitimate support dubya recieved had more to do with holyrollers and people who listen to country music than anything else. Baptists have it so ingrained in their cult-addled minds that democrats = satan, that republicans have an automatic win there... no matter how much their policy goes against the teachings of Jesus. Ironic that, isn't it?
Even so, I don't think that this was enough to have given him anything like the clear victory that others are chalking it up as. They just had more practice the second time around, and screwed up less because of it.
is that to maintain a position of world leadership economically
Does anyone that is struggling to find a new job, to afford rent, and to feed their kids really worried whether or not the US is an economic leader? I'm sure they feel proud to make the sacrifice so that XYZ Corp.'s stock is up 3 points above it's 52 week high, and that's all they *really* need, isn't it?
economic growth is not a zero sum game, but the labor market is. There are only enough jobs to go around. As long as we're outsourcing the crappy jobs, that's an indication that the American economy is humming along just fine.
Really? So it's impossible for them to get rid of jobs without replacing them here? After all, the labor market is zero sum. They could send all the jobs overseas, and leave none here. Or is there some magical economic phenomena that replaces any job that is outsourced?
Why am I the only one here that feels as if we're all being lied to? That the happy-go-lucky "you just don't understand the wonderful economics of it all!" propaganda is just that? They do this in pyramid schemes all the time, just long enough for the culprits to make off with all the money that we paid for the "training materials".
Brag up my own site. I'm only using a modest amount of ajaxy stuff, but I'm making heavy use of javascript/svg, for things that people wouldn't think possible without java.
It is sort of a picture trading site, I suppose you could say. Free users get credit for uploading pictures, and for using a webapp to enter metadata about those already uploaded. All pictures thusly cataloged are searchable (and no, it isn't just tags). Wish I could show some of the applets, but they're not really SFW.
They're about equal. Do you think that Dubya found religion, and decided to play fair the second time around?
See, everyone is supposed to pick a favorite team, just like in pro sports. Seen in that light, no one can make any claims at all, because everyone assumes anything mildly controversial is just being silly, you know, claiming that the refs made a bad call on the [insert championship game here]. Really, I hate both Kerry and Gore, and I'm scared shitless of how bad they could have fucked things up, if they had been in office. That said, Dubya is even worse.
Yes. Little old me, highschool dropout, loser, as far removed from the halls of power and intrigue as anyone ever could be, I'm going to be able to not just show evidence, but *prove* it to you.
Meanwhile, you can be happily naive, that the government works the way it wants to, and that everyone plays fair. I would insult you, but there's nothing really worse than thinking the thoughts you already must think, it is truly some sort of greek hell to believe the tripe they feed you.
Wow, you should get together with that guy who supposedly said in 1899 that the patent office should be closed because there was nothing left to invent.
Oh, there is new technology, to be sure. But you won't be selling tokomaks on the streetcorner from an apple cart. Are you really this stupid, or are you just trolling?
The Internet is just getting started, biotech is like computers in 1960, and nanotech is decades behind that. Robotics has only made it to the home vacuum cleaner, space travel is in its infancy, and we still get most of our power from fossil fuels.
Internet: Already outsourced.
Biotech: In the process of being outsourced. I wouldn't recommend that youg kids plan on going to college for it.
Nanotech: All high tech manufacturing already takes place in other countries. Research and development? India has brilliant engineers too, you know.
Robotics: Again, all electronics manufacturing is elsewhere.
Space travel: How in the hell will this provide more than a few hundred jobs, even if it happens here in the US? Most launch sites are equatorial. Please tell me, will we all be spaceflight attendants? Pilots? Ground crew? This is not an industry that can employ 20 million people. It's not one that can employ 10,000.
Energy: Sure, we need something other than oil. How many people do you think it will take to crew a fusion plant? Or even a modern fission one?
You might as well have suggested we all become lawyers and daytraders, you dumbass.
The popular vote doesn't win an election. Explain to me the exit poll discrepancies. Then, for extra credit, tell me how the vote was run in Florida, for instance, and why this election didn't have any more than the normal dose of election fraud hijinks.
The problem is that there are few industries left to create, and that those that remain are nothing like what has come before. The things that humanity will build between now and 2050 aren't things that some Henry Ford could crank off an assembly line, or that will employ anywhere near as many as Ford's assembly line workers.
Sure, it's not a zero sum game, if you own a few hundred thousand shares in whatever corporation is raking it in in India. Guess how much stock I own? Is there nowhere in your sophisticated economics science that says that there are such things as phase change? You keep talking about how things will be as before, we'll come up with something new, and it will all be shiny and happy again. Me, I know that water continues to shrink as it gets colder, until it freezes, and then it expands. If you think economies can't have all sorts of counter-intuitive gotchas, it sounds more like religious faith than it does reason.
Yeh, that's my point. And learn to hyperlink, Mr. 700,000 UID.