And assuming that you could afford them for the first 5-20 years, at the end of that time period, you'd have 50-100 times as much research, production, technology as you would otherwise. That would have to mean more profit too, even if its not 50-100 times as much.
GNUnet might use AFS, Metanet uses IPv4/IPv6. Call it what you want, framework, architecture, blahblahblah, most of us have used the internet since '95 or even before that for a lucky few. The reason that it changed the world is because it was an incredible improvement over the primitive facilities that the average BBS offered. I'm sure people will quibble about the details of the improvement, but none can deny it. Why would you want to go back to file-sharing as the primary means of communication?
But we aren't talking about leaders, for the most part, but agencies and departments that often work without direct oversight by said leader. Besides, for any given host on metanet, said leader would almost always exploit more than one or two such cooperative foreign nations.
Not knowing where you are from, it's hard to say if you are dumb and just don't understand the scale of gigantic byzantine bureaucracies or if you are somehow insulated from them. I would be willing to risk my safety to such more so than I would to the inability of a large government to crack crypto. Have you ever considered that a government like China or the USA could very well have working quantum computer prototypes at this point? If not yet, then when?
If metanet ever gets even half the size I would like to see it become, the typical host will be 7-20 hops away from you, all across a different international border. More so, at each of those points, the possible path to you will branch out to as many as 30 or 40 false paths, 11 of which will branch out even further. Until each and every one of the routers along the path has been compromised in a blatant way, you're safe. How many weeks of warning do you need to delete all your incriminating files and wipe the hard drive?
Ouch, Not that I don't troll sometimes, but damn, was a simple mistake, a brainfart. Read it quickly, and could have sworn I saw an "n't" that wasn't there. Now who's the asshole?
I've heard this said before, but being a loser without a real job, I find it hard to swallow. Are these PhDs simply unable to design the things companies want built, or unable to come up with research that companies find useful.
Or do you mean they're unable to navigate the absurd sociopolitical burearacracies found in any large company? "Gee, Dr. Egghead simply doesn't get it, we can't do that... our shareholders can't understand it and Company X just laid off 4500 (a good thing for the bottom line), we have to compete with them!"
I don't personally see how you could ever have too many researchers. As a country, the more of them we have, the more technology we will have in the future (though since the payoff won't be soon, it might not look like that to retards). Or is it simply more profitable to raise generation after generation of sheep-like consumers?
Really? The primary motivator for college (the first opportunity people have to even *opt out* of school) is family, friends, teachers, guidance counselors, and even perfect strangers pushing them towards it. Don't know what you want to study? Fine, go anyway, figure it out when you are there. Threats of flipping burgers the rest of your life, promises of wealth, happiness, relative comfort (at least compared to RSIs working on one of the last assembly lines in this country)... these factor in.
Maybe not for you, but money was and is the primary motivator for the majority of people who go to college.
It was the goal of some rather influential people of the 19th century. The book at that URL explains it from the perspective of a retired public schoolteacher, and I urge all of you to at least read the intro and skim a few chapters.
Strictly speaking, my project isn't software at all. Or, if it is, it's the TCP/IP stack that computers have had for 20 years, and one of several VPN software stacks that have been available in some cases for more than 5 years. You even, in many cases, have your choice of which VPN software to use.
Many people have done this, or attempted it, I'll grant you. But my version is far simpler, requires no new software, and it truly gives you an IP network. It's passably fast. As in, pings (yes, ICMP works! try that on freenet!) of 400ms or less at the moment, for most of the hosts I can think of pinging. IRC servers, websites, email, any network app you feel like using. Not some web browser proxy, where you have to know secret hashes beforehand to download the file.
I think that all that alone makes my own project a contender. But let me say it again... my own project needs no custom software. If your computer has ipsec installed or (for the non-masochists) you don't mind downloading 1.5megs of OpenVPN, that is all you need. The architecture is such that even cryptographic flaws in those software packages aren't as serious as they might be for other networks.
You bring up a good point, that is often ignored. Your authorship style can do alot to destroy perfect anonymity, from both the low level (stalkers) and high (CIA/NSA tinfoil hat stuff).
There are resources available on my network that are at least trying to train people how not to give themselves away. Simple example, someone invites you, and right away you jump on IRC as trifakir. Someone showing up there as "trifakir" isn't necessarily you, of course. But if I wanted to track someone down that had that nick, I'd search everywhere on the internet and commercially available databases. In the end, any handles/nicknames/usernames you use on an anonymous network have to be totally original for yourself... you can't get away with re-using that hotmail username you had 5 years ago. And as simple as this all seems, there are problems. It's not easy to turn off that impulse to do such things... and no one can help you, either. 100% your own responsibility (not totally true, the guy that invites you knows at least enough to ID you, and can give advice, get you pointed at the website that goes over this in detail... but that's about it).
There are other problems along these lines too. Certain applications are "leaky". Mirc, in particular. Right from the beginning, we knew it would be a problem, and I was helping folks set it up at the command line level to point at a new INI file. But it is pure shit. Even doing that, it is pulling sensitive details from the registry or the original ini files. We haven't found any quite as bad as this one, but is far from unique. Word documents are suspect, in that we can't be 100% certain that published documents don't have some hidden metadata that identifies the author. PDFs created with Adobe are likely as problematic.
And this is the easy stuff. We've yet to come up with guidelines that will protect you from the most insistent long-term attacks. If a well funded agency were to compile psychological data on you, is itso far-fetched that a demographic profile could lead them to you? Male, 30-40, native born english speaker with definite american language traits, has let a few comments slip about his favorite sports team (in the area?)... it all adds up.
And as serious as all this is, with me communicating with less than 50 users ever, I've still had questions about how safe VOIP and webcam apps are! I mean, I doubt we have spooks listening yet, but who can say?
Many books could be written on this subject without ever exhausting it.
High school dropout. If you could point me towards a book or website that would help me lay it out as a proper scientific styled paper, I would eventually rewrite it as such.
As for tunneling, I'm not even writing new software. Would rather let the experts do that, freeswan (openswan now?) and OpenVPN are just fine (I tend not to trust the others as much).
I do have some new ideas for transport and routing protocols though. But they aren't necessary at this point, and the network is fully viable, as is. Plus, I truly like to think that a non-mathhead can wrap his brain around how anonymity works on this thing...
My own network is IPv4 based, with a fully functioning www. A search engine could easily be implemented (for all 6 websites, haha), just as on the real internet. Having access to those websites doesn't mean you have any decent way of identifying the publisher.
What if the project defines itself as a network, rather than a framework, or even a file-sharing application?
What if its not much different than installing a virtual ethernet adapter, or if all your experience setting your computer up for TCP/IP counts for something on it?
What if you get to use all your current internet apps, rather than scratching around for keyhashes of some file that is pieced together all over the network?
What if only one guy can snitch on you, and he's somewhere in South Korea?
Maybe not ready for prime-time, but I think I have the late-night viewing nailed. Way past CSPAN.
That's why I've endeavored to create a network where all the clients can't be known. In fact, from any single jurisdiction, it shouldn't be possible to discover the addresses of more than a dozen or two clients.
Haha. I didn't write that last night. My own network went live back in August. I understand some of alot of the other theories, but I don't favor any of them.
Besides, you can be playing Quake3 or IRCing on my own network an hour after talking to me. Even if those were possible on freenet, could you be up and running that quickly?
So, is it my (lack of) writing style you dislike, or the theory?
BTW, the icon is mostly for comcast's sake. The internet feels so impersonal, not being able to show them a friendly gesture, I did the next best thing.
But you're ignoring the entire harmonic modulation of the deflector dish frequencies. We're talking about total protonic reversal Ray. The end of the universe.
The claim is that british aircraft carriers don't have enough firepower, enough jets in the air, to do more than protect the ship they launch from. No protecting convoy ships, coastline, or even launching attacks against someone else. Or so I've read.
Pros: IPv4/IPv6 based network, static IP addresses, free domain names, all traditional TCP apps work, easier to understand.
Cons: Still small, restrictions on who you can invite, win95/98 not supported very well, some dullards have trouble understanding how anonymity works (if it uses TCP/IP your address can be tracked!).
In particular, I need to find people that favor linux/unix (even OSX would be fine), would be willing to invite others, and plan on residing in any country other than the USA for the next few years. Bandwidth usage is negligible, and I'm willing to prove it.
I'd also be willing to mentor those interested in setting up their own similar network, the more the merrier.
Great. Somehow, you manage to come up with an even worse choice, when the first two are the absolute worst possible choices. I do realize that "worst" implies that only one can be that way, but in some Twilight Zone kinda way, all 3 are simultaneously.
The order couldn't have made any meaningful difference. I already hated Enterprise, and literally any scifi had a better than likely chance of hooking me. I can even watch Andromeda or SG1 once in awhile. It wasn't anything compelling. He's some full of himself art director, that thinks literally *everything* is acting, only he chooses barely passable actors, and gives them little to work with. The spaceship could easily have been a hippy bus in the 1960s, with literally compromising not a single story/plot element. Even as bad as Enterprise is, you can't say that of it.
Not to mention their engine looked like a giant turd wrapped into tinfoil and squashed. I am a high school dropout, but even my laymen's physics could come up with far better.
Hardly a solution, unless this pocket translator has a brain interface that forces the captain to speak the alien language. Which is a whole new set of problems. For instance, the order of grammar can be starkly different, or the lack of substitutes for earth specific phenomena. That very episode, the captain talks about his dog... but is it for certain this civilization ever domesticated animals at all? By no means a requirement, I'd think. What did he really say to her, if that was the case, did it force his tongue to talk about some hobby of his. Any extended conversation could become convoluted quite quickly.
Or idea/concept ordering. He wants to talk about something right now, but their brains revolve around extended context... people just don't blurt things out (unless they are madmen).
Language doesn't have to be such a problem, B5 did it well enough.
Or maybe, illegal slave traders on the fringe have alot less contact with mainstream humanity, keeping in mind the vast distances involved. On earth, every few weeks or months, in interstellar space every few years or decades?
What's that? Great Britain fields an unimpressive space navy in the 24th century, with ships undergunned ships incapable of projecting any significant military power much past protecting their asses?
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And assuming that you could afford them for the first 5-20 years, at the end of that time period, you'd have 50-100 times as much research, production, technology as you would otherwise. That would have to mean more profit too, even if its not 50-100 times as much.
GNUnet might use AFS, Metanet uses IPv4/IPv6. Call it what you want, framework, architecture, blahblahblah, most of us have used the internet since '95 or even before that for a lucky few. The reason that it changed the world is because it was an incredible improvement over the primitive facilities that the average BBS offered. I'm sure people will quibble about the details of the improvement, but none can deny it. Why would you want to go back to file-sharing as the primary means of communication?
But we aren't talking about leaders, for the most part, but agencies and departments that often work without direct oversight by said leader. Besides, for any given host on metanet, said leader would almost always exploit more than one or two such cooperative foreign nations.
Not knowing where you are from, it's hard to say if you are dumb and just don't understand the scale of gigantic byzantine bureaucracies or if you are somehow insulated from them. I would be willing to risk my safety to such more so than I would to the inability of a large government to crack crypto. Have you ever considered that a government like China or the USA could very well have working quantum computer prototypes at this point? If not yet, then when?
If metanet ever gets even half the size I would like to see it become, the typical host will be 7-20 hops away from you, all across a different international border. More so, at each of those points, the possible path to you will branch out to as many as 30 or 40 false paths, 11 of which will branch out even further. Until each and every one of the routers along the path has been compromised in a blatant way, you're safe. How many weeks of warning do you need to delete all your incriminating files and wipe the hard drive?
Google cache of the prologue. Looks like you'll have to google each page... I think I may have slashdotted it. Oops. Sorry Mr. Gatto.
Which planet is europe on again?
Ouch, Not that I don't troll sometimes, but damn, was a simple mistake, a brainfart. Read it quickly, and could have sworn I saw an "n't" that wasn't there. Now who's the asshole?
I've heard this said before, but being a loser without a real job, I find it hard to swallow. Are these PhDs simply unable to design the things companies want built, or unable to come up with research that companies find useful.
Or do you mean they're unable to navigate the absurd sociopolitical burearacracies found in any large company? "Gee, Dr. Egghead simply doesn't get it, we can't do that... our shareholders can't understand it and Company X just laid off 4500 (a good thing for the bottom line), we have to compete with them!"
I don't personally see how you could ever have too many researchers. As a country, the more of them we have, the more technology we will have in the future (though since the payoff won't be soon, it might not look like that to retards). Or is it simply more profitable to raise generation after generation of sheep-like consumers?
Really? The primary motivator for college (the first opportunity people have to even *opt out* of school) is family, friends, teachers, guidance counselors, and even perfect strangers pushing them towards it. Don't know what you want to study? Fine, go anyway, figure it out when you are there. Threats of flipping burgers the rest of your life, promises of wealth, happiness, relative comfort (at least compared to RSIs working on one of the last assembly lines in this country)... these factor in.
Maybe not for you, but money was and is the primary motivator for the majority of people who go to college.
It began, as nearly as I can figure, around 1850 or so. Read about it
A better explanation
It was the goal of some rather influential people of the 19th century. The book at that URL explains it from the perspective of a retired public schoolteacher, and I urge all of you to at least read the intro and skim a few chapters.
Strictly speaking, my project isn't software at all. Or, if it is, it's the TCP/IP stack that computers have had for 20 years, and one of several VPN software stacks that have been available in some cases for more than 5 years. You even, in many cases, have your choice of which VPN software to use.
Many people have done this, or attempted it, I'll grant you. But my version is far simpler, requires no new software, and it truly gives you an IP network. It's passably fast. As in, pings (yes, ICMP works! try that on freenet!) of 400ms or less at the moment, for most of the hosts I can think of pinging. IRC servers, websites, email, any network app you feel like using. Not some web browser proxy, where you have to know secret hashes beforehand to download the file.
I think that all that alone makes my own project a contender. But let me say it again... my own project needs no custom software. If your computer has ipsec installed or (for the non-masochists) you don't mind downloading 1.5megs of OpenVPN, that is all you need. The architecture is such that even cryptographic flaws in those software packages aren't as serious as they might be for other networks.
You bring up a good point, that is often ignored. Your authorship style can do alot to destroy perfect anonymity, from both the low level (stalkers) and high (CIA/NSA tinfoil hat stuff).
There are resources available on my network that are at least trying to train people how not to give themselves away. Simple example, someone invites you, and right away you jump on IRC as trifakir. Someone showing up there as "trifakir" isn't necessarily you, of course. But if I wanted to track someone down that had that nick, I'd search everywhere on the internet and commercially available databases. In the end, any handles/nicknames/usernames you use on an anonymous network have to be totally original for yourself... you can't get away with re-using that hotmail username you had 5 years ago. And as simple as this all seems, there are problems. It's not easy to turn off that impulse to do such things... and no one can help you, either. 100% your own responsibility (not totally true, the guy that invites you knows at least enough to ID you, and can give advice, get you pointed at the website that goes over this in detail... but that's about it).
There are other problems along these lines too. Certain applications are "leaky". Mirc, in particular. Right from the beginning, we knew it would be a problem, and I was helping folks set it up at the command line level to point at a new INI file. But it is pure shit. Even doing that, it is pulling sensitive details from the registry or the original ini files. We haven't found any quite as bad as this one, but is far from unique. Word documents are suspect, in that we can't be 100% certain that published documents don't have some hidden metadata that identifies the author. PDFs created with Adobe are likely as problematic.
And this is the easy stuff. We've yet to come up with guidelines that will protect you from the most insistent long-term attacks. If a well funded agency were to compile psychological data on you, is itso far-fetched that a demographic profile could lead them to you? Male, 30-40, native born english speaker with definite american language traits, has let a few comments slip about his favorite sports team (in the area?)... it all adds up.
And as serious as all this is, with me communicating with less than 50 users ever, I've still had questions about how safe VOIP and webcam apps are! I mean, I doubt we have spooks listening yet, but who can say?
Many books could be written on this subject without ever exhausting it.
High school dropout. If you could point me towards a book or website that would help me lay it out as a proper scientific styled paper, I would eventually rewrite it as such.
As for tunneling, I'm not even writing new software. Would rather let the experts do that, freeswan (openswan now?) and OpenVPN are just fine (I tend not to trust the others as much).
I do have some new ideas for transport and routing protocols though. But they aren't necessary at this point, and the network is fully viable, as is. Plus, I truly like to think that a non-mathhead can wrap his brain around how anonymity works on this thing...
My own network is IPv4 based, with a fully functioning www. A search engine could easily be implemented (for all 6 websites, haha), just as on the real internet. Having access to those websites doesn't mean you have any decent way of identifying the publisher.
What if the project defines itself as a network, rather than a framework, or even a file-sharing application?
What if its not much different than installing a virtual ethernet adapter, or if all your experience setting your computer up for TCP/IP counts for something on it?
What if you get to use all your current internet apps, rather than scratching around for keyhashes of some file that is pieced together all over the network?
What if only one guy can snitch on you, and he's somewhere in South Korea?
Maybe not ready for prime-time, but I think I have the late-night viewing nailed. Way past CSPAN.
That's why I've endeavored to create a network where all the clients can't be known. In fact, from any single jurisdiction, it shouldn't be possible to discover the addresses of more than a dozen or two clients.
Haha. I didn't write that last night. My own network went live back in August. I understand some of alot of the other theories, but I don't favor any of them.
Besides, you can be playing Quake3 or IRCing on my own network an hour after talking to me. Even if those were possible on freenet, could you be up and running that quickly?
So, is it my (lack of) writing style you dislike, or the theory?
BTW, the icon is mostly for comcast's sake. The internet feels so impersonal, not being able to show them a friendly gesture, I did the next best thing.
But you're ignoring the entire harmonic modulation of the deflector dish frequencies. We're talking about total protonic reversal Ray. The end of the universe.
The claim is that british aircraft carriers don't have enough firepower, enough jets in the air, to do more than protect the ship they launch from. No protecting convoy ships, coastline, or even launching attacks against someone else. Or so I've read.
Pros: IPv4/IPv6 based network, static IP addresses, free domain names, all traditional TCP apps work, easier to understand.
Cons: Still small, restrictions on who you can invite, win95/98 not supported very well, some dullards have trouble understanding how anonymity works (if it uses TCP/IP your address can be tracked!).
In particular, I need to find people that favor linux/unix (even OSX would be fine), would be willing to invite others, and plan on residing in any country other than the USA for the next few years. Bandwidth usage is negligible, and I'm willing to prove it.
I'd also be willing to mentor those interested in setting up their own similar network, the more the merrier.
Great. Somehow, you manage to come up with an even worse choice, when the first two are the absolute worst possible choices. I do realize that "worst" implies that only one can be that way, but in some Twilight Zone kinda way, all 3 are simultaneously.
The order couldn't have made any meaningful difference. I already hated Enterprise, and literally any scifi had a better than likely chance of hooking me. I can even watch Andromeda or SG1 once in awhile. It wasn't anything compelling. He's some full of himself art director, that thinks literally *everything* is acting, only he chooses barely passable actors, and gives them little to work with. The spaceship could easily have been a hippy bus in the 1960s, with literally compromising not a single story/plot element. Even as bad as Enterprise is, you can't say that of it.
Not to mention their engine looked like a giant turd wrapped into tinfoil and squashed. I am a high school dropout, but even my laymen's physics could come up with far better.
Hardly a solution, unless this pocket translator has a brain interface that forces the captain to speak the alien language. Which is a whole new set of problems. For instance, the order of grammar can be starkly different, or the lack of substitutes for earth specific phenomena. That very episode, the captain talks about his dog... but is it for certain this civilization ever domesticated animals at all? By no means a requirement, I'd think. What did he really say to her, if that was the case, did it force his tongue to talk about some hobby of his. Any extended conversation could become convoluted quite quickly.
Or idea/concept ordering. He wants to talk about something right now, but their brains revolve around extended context... people just don't blurt things out (unless they are madmen).
Language doesn't have to be such a problem, B5 did it well enough.
Several years after he had been stranded?
Or maybe, illegal slave traders on the fringe have alot less contact with mainstream humanity, keeping in mind the vast distances involved. On earth, every few weeks or months, in interstellar space every few years or decades?
British Starship Captain?
What's that? Great Britain fields an unimpressive space navy in the 24th century, with ships undergunned ships incapable of projecting any significant military power much past protecting their asses?