Im not ignoring any fact here, all Im saying is that nothing gets dismissed out of hand - and Im sorry if my personal feelings regarding MS do not influence my purchasing decisions as much as they seem to yours, but thats the way it is.
Absolutely nothing triggers an out of hand dismissal.
Its as simple as that - every single option is kept open. If you dont like it, then thats your perogative, but all it means is Im less handicapped than you are in choosing a solution.
"Put the rhetoric away" means precisely that - take a step back, and look at everything objectively.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of slashdotters cannot do that, which is why my comment about how I refuse to *automatically* ditch a product I know nothing about, havent yet seen or had a chance to assess, has provoked a number of replies all of which are quick to deride both myself and Microsoft - that seems to be the slashdot way unfortunately.
Yes, this most certainly is a matter of business, and if the Microsoft product does it better after I personally assess it to my clients criteria then Im going to use that to earn my money - Im not going to pass up on the chance to earn money because I dont like the company.
All business is risk, every moment of it for both you and your client, regardless of the product you use to construct their solution. To automatically dismiss a product on any grounds is stupid, but to dismiss a product after you have done your assessment is good business, and every product gets to the assessment stage with me, regardless.
Im also a web developer, and I *always* wait to experience a product, any product, by any developer, regardless of their prior history before I form any opinion on the product - sometimes its best to put the rhetoric away and join the adult world, especially when it comes to earning money.
... just look at France (where guilty is the rule).
Huh? From Wikipedia:
In France, article 9 of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, of constitutional value, says "Every man is supposed innocent until having been declared guilty." and the preliminary article of the code of criminal procedure says "any suspected or prosecuted person is presumed to be innocent until his guilt has been established". The jurors' oath reiterates this assertion.
And interestingly...
Although the Constitution of the United States does not cite it explicitly, presumption of innocence is widely held to follow from the 5th, 6th and 14th amendments. See also Coffin v. United States
Oh well I guess every single game company, including Id and Valve, are screwed then because thats precisely what theyve been doing for the past 20 years - fantastic, brilliant graphics, audio, and stuff if you have the right system specs, if not then you get less.
Infact, Apple did this as well, with the CoreImage features added in Tiger - some people got the wizzy effects advertised, most people didnt.
This has nothing to do with the pricing being different between stores, and everything to do with Apple blcoking customers ability to shop from other stores in the EU - if Apple allowed customers to shop around, they could still maintain pricing differences between those stores legally.
So why do you have to pay to watch the movie twice if you want to watch it 6 months after the first time you watched it when you don't have to pay twice if you want to watch it twice on the same day.
Quite simply because you are (deliberately?) confusing the issue - you arent renting the movie for a set number of viewings, you are renting the movie for a set maximum period of time. You want to delay your viewing for 6 months, then you either rent it twice or rent it for a very long time.
Actually what happened was someone alledged that someone on the development team had decompiled actual MS Windows dll and binary files, and included the resulting code into the ReactOS codebase.
Ok, whats the rationale for Redhat Linux, Suse, Novel et al then to provide said 'OS that was fast, efficient, stable, and supported the hardware most folks desired'? Seriously, Linux definitely matches the first three criteria, and according to many on slashdot it has better hardware support out of the box than Windows, so why are people buying successive versions of Redhat, Suse, Novel etc?
They are actually deemed part of 'the default install' - otherwise the term would be 'the default configuration', which it isnt. Even SSH is not explicitly enabled on install, you have to answer a question during install to enable it.
The default install of OpenBSD includes (from memory, so this is not exhaustive) SSHd, bind, apache and sendmail, all of which are included in the term 'Only two remote holes in the default install' - those codebases are as rigourously audited as anything else.
If you Venn-ed "Linux users" and "people who can control their fussiness", you'd have very little overlap. Personally I get the impression that those Linux users that are vocal about Dell et al supporting and providing Linux are not the same group that would ever use a Dell provided install - preciselly because of the issue you highlight.
Its not just the bandwidth, its the entire supportive costs of ensuring the source-binary version sync, ensuring its available, pointing people to the right place et al. Its all a cost that needs to be accounted for.
The OOo source code set comes to 259MB - thats an extra 259MB Dell has to copy, an extra 259MB that is wasted on the customer hard disk, or 259MB that Dell has to account for in its bandwidth build if it supplies an FTP server.
In short, its an extra hassle that Dell would have to satisfy.
You and I both know that it depends entirely on where suit is filed, now dont we. The website in question is doing business in other countries, thats the nature of the internet, and as such it can be under the jurisdiction of any judge in any country that wants to claim jurisdiction.
This service is not the same, this is actual patches to the applications for those that dont want to make the fixes any other way. By the sound of it, this is quite generous - the $4,00 charge only applies to applications out of their 5 year support period.
AIX is dead? Huh? We just bought three 550 systems a month or so ago and they all came with AIX 5, absolutely no problems ordering them and having it preinstalled.
AIX is far from dead, whatever you may want to believe.
Cheapest USB Cable: 3 meter, £5.99
Most expensive USB Cable: 10 meter, £19.99
PCs: Yes, there are cheap £349.99 PCs in store, but the following one caught my eye -
£479.99 AMD 64 4000 Dual Core, 1GB ram, 160GB hard disk, wide screen 19" monitor
The 'spotty 16 year old' actually turned out to be a well dressed 20ish year old who was very knowledgeable, took my 'needs' and pointed me to the above system while informing me of some pretty good reasons why it was better than the basic £349 PC - as an IT professional I couldnt fault the reasons either.
Why do a hatchet job on PC World when it hardly ever deserves it? Ive had brilliant experiences with them and while they dont have the best prices, they are competative when time is a factor.
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Im not ignoring any fact here, all Im saying is that nothing gets dismissed out of hand - and Im sorry if my personal feelings regarding MS do not influence my purchasing decisions as much as they seem to yours, but thats the way it is.
Absolutely nothing triggers an out of hand dismissal.
Its as simple as that - every single option is kept open. If you dont like it, then thats your perogative, but all it means is Im less handicapped than you are in choosing a solution.
"Put the rhetoric away" means precisely that - take a step back, and look at everything objectively.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of slashdotters cannot do that, which is why my comment about how I refuse to *automatically* ditch a product I know nothing about, havent yet seen or had a chance to assess, has provoked a number of replies all of which are quick to deride both myself and Microsoft - that seems to be the slashdot way unfortunately.
Yes, this most certainly is a matter of business, and if the Microsoft product does it better after I personally assess it to my clients criteria then Im going to use that to earn my money - Im not going to pass up on the chance to earn money because I dont like the company.
All business is risk, every moment of it for both you and your client, regardless of the product you use to construct their solution. To automatically dismiss a product on any grounds is stupid, but to dismiss a product after you have done your assessment is good business, and every product gets to the assessment stage with me, regardless.
Im also a web developer, and I *always* wait to experience a product, any product, by any developer, regardless of their prior history before I form any opinion on the product - sometimes its best to put the rhetoric away and join the adult world, especially when it comes to earning money.
... just look at France (where guilty is the rule).Huh? From Wikipedia:
In France, article 9 of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, of constitutional value, says "Every man is supposed innocent until having been declared guilty." and the preliminary article of the code of criminal procedure says "any suspected or prosecuted person is presumed to be innocent until his guilt has been established". The jurors' oath reiterates this assertion.
And interestingly...
Although the Constitution of the United States does not cite it explicitly, presumption of innocence is widely held to follow from the 5th, 6th and 14th amendments. See also Coffin v. United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilty_until_proven_
That is if you have any dead Intel Macs just lying around, as PPC Macs wont do....
OS X PPC and OS X Intel are different products.
Oh well I guess every single game company, including Id and Valve, are screwed then because thats precisely what theyve been doing for the past 20 years - fantastic, brilliant graphics, audio, and stuff if you have the right system specs, if not then you get less.
Infact, Apple did this as well, with the CoreImage features added in Tiger - some people got the wizzy effects advertised, most people didnt.
This has nothing to do with the pricing being different between stores, and everything to do with Apple blcoking customers ability to shop from other stores in the EU - if Apple allowed customers to shop around, they could still maintain pricing differences between those stores legally.
Quite simply because you are (deliberately?) confusing the issue - you arent renting the movie for a set number of viewings, you are renting the movie for a set maximum period of time. You want to delay your viewing for 6 months, then you either rent it twice or rent it for a very long time.
Actually what happened was someone alledged that someone on the development team had decompiled actual MS Windows dll and binary files, and included the resulting code into the ReactOS codebase.
Ok, whats the rationale for Redhat Linux, Suse, Novel et al then to provide said 'OS that was fast, efficient, stable, and supported the hardware most folks desired'? Seriously, Linux definitely matches the first three criteria, and according to many on slashdot it has better hardware support out of the box than Windows, so why are people buying successive versions of Redhat, Suse, Novel etc?
They are actually deemed part of 'the default install' - otherwise the term would be 'the default configuration', which it isnt. Even SSH is not explicitly enabled on install, you have to answer a question during install to enable it.
The default install of OpenBSD includes (from memory, so this is not exhaustive) SSHd, bind, apache and sendmail, all of which are included in the term 'Only two remote holes in the default install' - those codebases are as rigourously audited as anything else.
Personally I get the impression that those Linux users that are vocal about Dell et al supporting and providing Linux are not the same group that would ever use a Dell provided install - preciselly because of the issue you highlight.
Actually under the LGPL they cant.
Its not just the bandwidth, its the entire supportive costs of ensuring the source-binary version sync, ensuring its available, pointing people to the right place et al. Its all a cost that needs to be accounted for.
The OOo source code set comes to 259MB - thats an extra 259MB Dell has to copy, an extra 259MB that is wasted on the customer hard disk, or 259MB that Dell has to account for in its bandwidth build if it supplies an FTP server.
In short, its an extra hassle that Dell would have to satisfy.
You and I both know that it depends entirely on where suit is filed, now dont we. The website in question is doing business in other countries, thats the nature of the internet, and as such it can be under the jurisdiction of any judge in any country that wants to claim jurisdiction.
You are citing US law, in other countries 'But Its The Truth' is not always an absolute defence, because the intentions can be taken into account.
Yes, we survived thousands of years without antibiotics, but *now* we are going to die because we cant use them?
MS themselves provide a registry editing based fix for this - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/914387
This service is not the same, this is actual patches to the applications for those that dont want to make the fixes any other way. By the sound of it, this is quite generous - the $4,00 charge only applies to applications out of their 5 year support period.
AIX is dead? Huh? We just bought three 550 systems a month or so ago and they all came with AIX 5, absolutely no problems ordering them and having it preinstalled.
AIX is far from dead, whatever you may want to believe.
I saw this post and thought it didnt ring well, so I popped down the road to check at my local PC World -
Cheapest Network card: Dynamode, £6.99
Most expensive Network card: Dlink, £34.99
Cheapest USB Cable: 3 meter, £5.99
Most expensive USB Cable: 10 meter, £19.99
PCs: Yes, there are cheap £349.99 PCs in store, but the following one caught my eye - £479.99 AMD 64 4000 Dual Core, 1GB ram, 160GB hard disk, wide screen 19" monitor
The 'spotty 16 year old' actually turned out to be a well dressed 20ish year old who was very knowledgeable, took my 'needs' and pointed me to the above system while informing me of some pretty good reasons why it was better than the basic £349 PC - as an IT professional I couldnt fault the reasons either.
Why do a hatchet job on PC World when it hardly ever deserves it? Ive had brilliant experiences with them and while they dont have the best prices, they are competative when time is a factor.