It strikes me that if you just let this man run the country for the remainder of his term without obstruction America could be the country that most people in the world have been told it is. And the whole world would be a better place.
What are you on about? Please be more specific. What precisely are most people in the world being told that we stand for? The status quo? Maintaining the power of the TSA and DHS? Keeping Gitmo open for business and fully supporting torture? The right to summarily execute anyone in the world that the US suspects of terrorist activities? Occupying other countries forever?
As far as I can tell Obama doesn't actually believe in anything except himself. In that way he is the same as every other politician these days. And America doesn't stand for anything anymore. Stop mistaking political propaganda whose only purpose is to get someone elected for the truth. We haven't had a president who actually cared about ideas for decades.
We are not the world's policeman or at least we shouldn't be and if we are we should resign. It is a thankless task and generally serves no useful purpose. Our country was not founded on the idea of policing the world. Let some other country spend all of their money on the world's "problems".
China is "destroying" the US because we suck at manufacturing and they don't. As a poor person I am quite happy that China is making affordable products. If it weren't for them I wouldn't be able to afford a goddamn thing. Not that rich people will shed a single tear about that.
The big problem is those who will be found not guilty, while they probably will be happy to get out of there they might still hold a grudge.
Would you hold a grudge if you were locked in a cage for years, tortured, and treated like an animal with no rights and accused of all sorts of things you didn't do and all for no reason other than your religion or nationality or the color of your skin? After you had basically been used as a plaything for sadists I think it's pretty reasonable to hold a grudge. That we claim to be about freedom just makes everyone else sick to their stomachs. Well we do stand for freedom: the freedom to torture innocent people. That is what we stand for now and so far Obama has done nothing to stop it despite his promises that he would get it shut down.
Where were Saddam's aircraft carriers parked off the coast of the US? Where were his submarines parked off the US coast with short range ballistic missiles with conventional warheads capable of actually hitting their targets? Saddam's army was a joke and did he have any navy at all? Any kind of serious air force? Without a navy and large air force or effective ICBMs he had no way to strike back at the US directly. We could hit him but he couldn't hit back. What I'm saying is you need a way to hit back. The capability to bomb US cities. Just park hundreds or even thousands of warships and submarines in international waters a few hundred miles off the coast of the US. You don't need nukes. They are just a bluff anyway. No one uses them anymore.
Moderately batshit insane? I can't tell if you are serious. So both the old leader and the new leader are both insane? Bullshit propaganda. Too improbable. The current leader is almost certainly sane.
And if they don't think twice about shooting them down? Flying over NK airspace without their permission for any reason is what I consider to be a very, very bad idea. And good luck getting the Chinese to agree with your plan.
if you're a country the US doesn't like your choice is pretty much between developing nukes and doing whatever the US tells you to.
Developing strategic WMDs may be the cheapest way to prevent the US from interfering in your affairs, but it is certainly not the only one. Another option is to simply build up conventional forces to a level that would result in unacceptably high losses for the American side.
Is it really so easy to shoot down their rockets? If that's the case then obviously we have nothing to worry about.
As far as I can tell North Korea is all talk and no action. Or at least very little action. The leaders are comfy and super-rich. Why rock the boat by actually doing anything?
The North Korean leaders won't gain anything from actually going to war and a war with the US (their sworn enemy) is one that they would almost certainly lose with or without nukes and the leaders are not unaware of that. And even if they actually managed to win the war against the US and the mainland US became a territory of North Korea that wouldn't seem to gain them very much. Particularly if they had already nuked all the major population centers.
If North Korea actually tried to invade South Korea or China or Japan that would change everything. Then the rest of the world would start taking them seriously and the world would have another major war on its hands, but does anyone really see that situation as plausible?
Has it not occurred to you that the family members may hate the sadistic cop as much as anyone else? Going after the family is tribal thinking. They are not in any way responsible for the actions of the violent cop. They are individuals.
That part is just bizarre. It's hard to imagine a motive. Maybe he figures that killing someone you love is worse than killing the person themselves. Something worse than murder. Obviously he must have disliked his defense attorney for some reason and now that he has nothing to lose and considers himself as good as dead is killing off the loved ones of anyeone he's ever had a grudge against. He probably figures none of it matters because he himself only has days or even hours to live.
If the guy hadn't started killing the families of those involved I might almost have a modicum of pity for him... instead now I just pity the innocent people who are getting caught in the crossfire by both Dorner and the LAPD.
Agreed. For me he went from hero to zero when he started killing innocent people. Once a cop always a cop I guess. For cops or ex-cops killing innocent people is like catnip to a cat.
So if you shot 60+ rounds into a vehicle without even bothering to look at who might be inside would you expect any of the occupants to be alive afterwards? Would you not be expecting body bags to arrive on the scene shortly afterwards? If shooting up an occupied vehicle like that isn't attempted murder I don't know what is. And, yes, attempted murder is a crime in this country. Well, at least if you are not a cop. Certainly shooting someone is at least assault and battery with a deadly weapon which is a felony with years of jail time. And no it doesn't matter if you claim that you thought they were someone else.
It's great how you say "probably" illegal. Just because you could have shot the victim even more times does not mean it wasn't attempted murder. Just because the police finally stopped firing after 65 rounds or whatever does not mean they were being merciful. Just because you haven't bothered to check the identity of the person you are riddling with bullets doesn't make it any less of a crime. Murdering a random stranger for no reason doesn't seem any better to me than murdering someone you know.
I agree that it is not a fight against the government as a whole, just a very tiny speck of it: a group of corrupt, violent LAPD officers and unfortunately their families as well. The killing of family members is certainly not the part of any "legitimate" fight, but he is probably assuming that the cops in question will be hurt by such killing, which may or may not be true. He certainly isn't just randomly killing people. His overall intent seems to be to fight against the corrupt cops that he witnessed committing cruel crimes and getting away with it. To bring them to justice in the only way he knows how. If it weren't for the targeting of family members I'd personally consider the guy a hero. Killing off all the bad cops is certainly one way to clean up our massively corrupt police force.
You are assuming that the rampage is just over being fired? That if he had been fired for any reason at all he would have gone on a killing spree? I highly doubt that. Hell, I bet this wasn't his first job or the first time he's ever been fired.
I think a more plausible story is that his rampage is over what he was fired for: the injustice of being fired for ratting them out, for telling the truth, for trying to expose a sick fuck of a cop who beat and injured a helpless suspect. God knows what else the guy saw. All kinds of crimes probably. I'm betting that what really happened was something that would piss off any normal person, but instead it happened to a person who wasn't normal and he just lost it and went for pure revenge regardless of the consequences.
Are you serious? Unless this guy is unusually good at being on the lam he may as well already be dead. Did you fail to miss the vehicles the LAPD have already shot up? They aren't seeking to capture him. They are an assassination squad. This is about revenge for killing members of their gang. That is in addition to the crime of violating the Blue Wall of Silence, of trying to rat them out. Dorner has no chance of ever seeing the inside of a court room. Unless he has already fled the country at best he will take out more cops before he dies. I certainly hope he does at least.
None of that is nearly as bad as actual murder. And I don't think most cops will care all that much if a family member is shot. It may be hard for us to imagine not caring about such a thing, but it is important to remember that most cops are sociopaths. Sociopaths only truly care about one person: themselves. They don't even understand the idea of empathy. People are just things to be used to their advantage. Even their own family members. So all you have really accomplished by killing a family member is remove a strategic asset of theirs. And one that is replacable. There is no way that murdering the families of the corrupt, sadistic cops is justified in any way.
No. It wasn't collateral damage. He was intentionally going after the families of the crooked cops. Not only is it an exceedingly cold-blooded thing to do, but it ignores the fact that most cops are sociopaths and probably wouldn't even care all that much if a family member gets shot. As long as it isn't them.
I was on his side until I read that he was targeting family members. That is both sick and pointless since it won't even hurt the cold-blooded cops all that much. At least nowhere near as much as it would a real human being with normal feelings. I would have supported a bad cop killing spree, leaving only the few honest, law-abiding, non-sociopathic, cops alive, but how can anyone support the killing of family members?
Anyone with any sort of real experience with the police, or anyone who has ever searched youtube for "police brutality" already knows who to believe. Why would a cop choose to bring a shitstorm upon himself for no good reason? No one would do that. Dorner's story is simply more plausible and far more likely to be the truth than yet another "false accusation". To the cops themselves every accusation is a false one. And he sure as hell isn't going on a rampage of revenge over a merely satisfactory evaluation. Give me a break. This is the result of the unjust system, of the Blue Wall of Silence, which protects police from their own violent, sadistic crimes.
The LAPD tried to intentionally murder people in the pickup trucks they shot up like swiss cheese. The fact that they didn't actually kill the mother and daughter is amazing. They certainly tried like hell. Cops without military training are notoriously bad shots.
They keep making those "mistakes". Perhaps one day they will fire their weapons intentionally. These are not upholders of the law who believe in any sort of principles like justice. They are sick, violent, criminals who don't believe in anything except might makes right and belong in jail themselves.
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while "global cooling" was a fad for a few months.
It was definitely more than a few months and if it was a fad then so is global warming now.
It strikes me that if you just let this man run the country for the remainder of his term without obstruction America could be the country that most people in the world have been told it is. And the whole world would be a better place.
What are you on about? Please be more specific. What precisely are most people in the world being told that we stand for? The status quo? Maintaining the power of the TSA and DHS? Keeping Gitmo open for business and fully supporting torture? The right to summarily execute anyone in the world that the US suspects of terrorist activities? Occupying other countries forever?
As far as I can tell Obama doesn't actually believe in anything except himself. In that way he is the same as every other politician these days. And America doesn't stand for anything anymore. Stop mistaking political propaganda whose only purpose is to get someone elected for the truth. We haven't had a president who actually cared about ideas for decades.
We are not the world's policeman or at least we shouldn't be and if we are we should resign. It is a thankless task and generally serves no useful purpose. Our country was not founded on the idea of policing the world. Let some other country spend all of their money on the world's "problems".
China is "destroying" the US because we suck at manufacturing and they don't. As a poor person I am quite happy that China is making affordable products. If it weren't for them I wouldn't be able to afford a goddamn thing. Not that rich people will shed a single tear about that.
The big problem is those who will be found not guilty, while they probably will be happy to get out of there they might still hold a grudge.
Would you hold a grudge if you were locked in a cage for years, tortured, and treated like an animal with no rights and accused of all sorts of things you didn't do and all for no reason other than your religion or nationality or the color of your skin? After you had basically been used as a plaything for sadists I think it's pretty reasonable to hold a grudge. That we claim to be about freedom just makes everyone else sick to their stomachs. Well we do stand for freedom: the freedom to torture innocent people. That is what we stand for now and so far Obama has done nothing to stop it despite his promises that he would get it shut down.
Where were Saddam's aircraft carriers parked off the coast of the US? Where were his submarines parked off the US coast with short range ballistic missiles with conventional warheads capable of actually hitting their targets? Saddam's army was a joke and did he have any navy at all? Any kind of serious air force? Without a navy and large air force or effective ICBMs he had no way to strike back at the US directly. We could hit him but he couldn't hit back. What I'm saying is you need a way to hit back. The capability to bomb US cities. Just park hundreds or even thousands of warships and submarines in international waters a few hundred miles off the coast of the US. You don't need nukes. They are just a bluff anyway. No one uses them anymore.
Moderately batshit insane? I can't tell if you are serious. So both the old leader and the new leader are both insane? Bullshit propaganda. Too improbable. The current leader is almost certainly sane.
Why do you say that Iran hates Israel? Do you have any evidence of this? Persians are not Palestinians.
And if they don't think twice about shooting them down? Flying over NK airspace without their permission for any reason is what I consider to be a very, very bad idea. And good luck getting the Chinese to agree with your plan.
if you're a country the US doesn't like your choice is pretty much between developing nukes and doing whatever the US tells you to.
Developing strategic WMDs may be the cheapest way to prevent the US from interfering in your affairs, but it is certainly not the only one. Another option is to simply build up conventional forces to a level that would result in unacceptably high losses for the American side.
Is it really so easy to shoot down their rockets? If that's the case then obviously we have nothing to worry about.
As far as I can tell North Korea is all talk and no action. Or at least very little action. The leaders are comfy and super-rich. Why rock the boat by actually doing anything?
The North Korean leaders won't gain anything from actually going to war and a war with the US (their sworn enemy) is one that they would almost certainly lose with or without nukes and the leaders are not unaware of that. And even if they actually managed to win the war against the US and the mainland US became a territory of North Korea that wouldn't seem to gain them very much. Particularly if they had already nuked all the major population centers.
If North Korea actually tried to invade South Korea or China or Japan that would change everything. Then the rest of the world would start taking them seriously and the world would have another major war on its hands, but does anyone really see that situation as plausible?
Has it not occurred to you that the family members may hate the sadistic cop as much as anyone else? Going after the family is tribal thinking. They are not in any way responsible for the actions of the violent cop. They are individuals.
Are you willing to pay two or three times more per copy for such a game?
Yes. I'll even pony up for a new video card if I like the game enough.
Really? How far back does it go? Can I find my posts from the mid to late 90s?
Personally i like both more polygons and good art direction. Maybe some talented artists as well.
That part is just bizarre. It's hard to imagine a motive. Maybe he figures that killing someone you love is worse than killing the person themselves. Something worse than murder. Obviously he must have disliked his defense attorney for some reason and now that he has nothing to lose and considers himself as good as dead is killing off the loved ones of anyeone he's ever had a grudge against. He probably figures none of it matters because he himself only has days or even hours to live.
If the guy hadn't started killing the families of those involved I might almost have a modicum of pity for him... instead now I just pity the innocent people who are getting caught in the crossfire by both Dorner and the LAPD.
Agreed. For me he went from hero to zero when he started killing innocent people. Once a cop always a cop I guess. For cops or ex-cops killing innocent people is like catnip to a cat.
So if you shot 60+ rounds into a vehicle without even bothering to look at who might be inside would you expect any of the occupants to be alive afterwards? Would you not be expecting body bags to arrive on the scene shortly afterwards? If shooting up an occupied vehicle like that isn't attempted murder I don't know what is. And, yes, attempted murder is a crime in this country. Well, at least if you are not a cop. Certainly shooting someone is at least assault and battery with a deadly weapon which is a felony with years of jail time. And no it doesn't matter if you claim that you thought they were someone else.
It's great how you say "probably" illegal. Just because you could have shot the victim even more times does not mean it wasn't attempted murder. Just because the police finally stopped firing after 65 rounds or whatever does not mean they were being merciful. Just because you haven't bothered to check the identity of the person you are riddling with bullets doesn't make it any less of a crime. Murdering a random stranger for no reason doesn't seem any better to me than murdering someone you know.
I agree that it is not a fight against the government as a whole, just a very tiny speck of it: a group of corrupt, violent LAPD officers and unfortunately their families as well. The killing of family members is certainly not the part of any "legitimate" fight, but he is probably assuming that the cops in question will be hurt by such killing, which may or may not be true. He certainly isn't just randomly killing people. His overall intent seems to be to fight against the corrupt cops that he witnessed committing cruel crimes and getting away with it. To bring them to justice in the only way he knows how. If it weren't for the targeting of family members I'd personally consider the guy a hero. Killing off all the bad cops is certainly one way to clean up our massively corrupt police force.
You are assuming that the rampage is just over being fired? That if he had been fired for any reason at all he would have gone on a killing spree? I highly doubt that. Hell, I bet this wasn't his first job or the first time he's ever been fired.
I think a more plausible story is that his rampage is over what he was fired for: the injustice of being fired for ratting them out, for telling the truth, for trying to expose a sick fuck of a cop who beat and injured a helpless suspect. God knows what else the guy saw. All kinds of crimes probably. I'm betting that what really happened was something that would piss off any normal person, but instead it happened to a person who wasn't normal and he just lost it and went for pure revenge regardless of the consequences.
and there's a warrant for his arrest.
Are you serious? Unless this guy is unusually good at being on the lam he may as well already be dead. Did you fail to miss the vehicles the LAPD have already shot up? They aren't seeking to capture him. They are an assassination squad. This is about revenge for killing members of their gang. That is in addition to the crime of violating the Blue Wall of Silence, of trying to rat them out. Dorner has no chance of ever seeing the inside of a court room. Unless he has already fled the country at best he will take out more cops before he dies. I certainly hope he does at least.
None of that is nearly as bad as actual murder. And I don't think most cops will care all that much if a family member is shot. It may be hard for us to imagine not caring about such a thing, but it is important to remember that most cops are sociopaths. Sociopaths only truly care about one person: themselves. They don't even understand the idea of empathy. People are just things to be used to their advantage. Even their own family members. So all you have really accomplished by killing a family member is remove a strategic asset of theirs. And one that is replacable. There is no way that murdering the families of the corrupt, sadistic cops is justified in any way.
No. It wasn't collateral damage. He was intentionally going after the families of the crooked cops. Not only is it an exceedingly cold-blooded thing to do, but it ignores the fact that most cops are sociopaths and probably wouldn't even care all that much if a family member gets shot. As long as it isn't them.
I was on his side until I read that he was targeting family members. That is both sick and pointless since it won't even hurt the cold-blooded cops all that much. At least nowhere near as much as it would a real human being with normal feelings. I would have supported a bad cop killing spree, leaving only the few honest, law-abiding, non-sociopathic, cops alive, but how can anyone support the killing of family members?
Anyone with any sort of real experience with the police, or anyone who has ever searched youtube for "police brutality" already knows who to believe. Why would a cop choose to bring a shitstorm upon himself for no good reason? No one would do that. Dorner's story is simply more plausible and far more likely to be the truth than yet another "false accusation". To the cops themselves every accusation is a false one. And he sure as hell isn't going on a rampage of revenge over a merely satisfactory evaluation. Give me a break. This is the result of the unjust system, of the Blue Wall of Silence, which protects police from their own violent, sadistic crimes.
The LAPD tried to intentionally murder people in the pickup trucks they shot up like swiss cheese. The fact that they didn't actually kill the mother and daughter is amazing. They certainly tried like hell. Cops without military training are notoriously bad shots.
They keep making those "mistakes". Perhaps one day they will fire their weapons intentionally. These are not upholders of the law who believe in any sort of principles like justice. They are sick, violent, criminals who don't believe in anything except might makes right and belong in jail themselves.