I didn't realize he had gone after the families of the bad cops. I agree that that is not just wrong, but pretty sick. So basically you have a guy going after the cops' families vs a bunch of cops who have no problem with blindly shooting up every pickup truck that resembles Dorner's, not caring who they kill. Who actually shot a mother and daughter in doing so. The cops who did that should be arrested and put in jail, but is that going to happen? Of course not. These are not men that I feel the slightest bit of sympathy for. They are disgusting, evil human beings themselves. But unlike Dorner they are cowards afraid of going up against anyone armed without absurdly superior numbers, body armor, and all kinds of other unfair advantages. Evil vicious cowards.
The fact that Dorner has proven himself bad despite ignoring the Blue Wall of silence and reporting the sadistic beating of a helpless suspect shouldn't really be that surprising. Most people who become cops are violent people, bullies, sadists, and amoral sociopaths. This incident just makes me more certain that the vast majority of police are like that. When it comes to US police even the 'good' guys are themselves sick and evil.
As far as going after 'random' cops, those random cops have proven willing to shoot him on sight. And not just on sight of him, but on sight of anything which holds any chance of him being inside. I'd say that is pretty close to self-defense. In a shoot-out being first to pull the trigger is everything and he knows the cops will shoot him.
For men with honor, few as they may be, the moral is: report the abuse, get fired; take every legal avenue possible
What legal avenues? I suppose he could have gone to the FBI, who are responsible for enforcing this sort of thing precisely because it is pretty obvious that, just like any gang and like the FBI themselves, the cops are always going to protect their own. The only question is whether or not the FBI considers the local cops to be one of their own as well. In which case reporting police criminal activity to them is just as useless as filing a complaint about it with the police.
What really happened is, from a prone face up position, the suspect head butted the boot of the officer, multiple times, staining it with his blood and injuring the officer. He had to go home and get a foot massage from his doting wife who kissed it to make it better. The officer only had his foot above the face of the suspect because he was innocently tying his bootlaces.
Not that any of this excuses his actions in the slightest.
I agree that killing the bad cops is an over-reaction, but otherwise he does sound like one of the good guys who got fired for violating the blue wall of silence.
The problem is that seeking justice against a cop is a problematic endeavor. Short of improbably convincing evidence that is quite rare in the real world, getting a DA to prosecute a cop for anything is nearly impossible. So our justice system doesn't punish them. Period. Not even for murder (well unless it's for the murder of another cop of course).
So if you are a justice minded person what do you do? Just accept that the system sucks and live with the injustice? Killing them may be an overly harsh punishment depending on what the cops actually did, but it is pretty much the only thing you can do against them. These guys are armed pretty much all the time. This is what happens when our justice system breaks down and seeks injustice instead. This is one of the practical problems with a corrupt system where a certain privileged elite are above the law.
It's also important to keep in mind that the murdered cops may have threatened Dorner's life. He may have had reason to believe that they would have murdered him, and of course got away with it, if he hadn't killed them first. The code of the Blue Wall may have allowed that. In their view he is a 'rat'. Think about what criminal gangs do to rats. Aside from the badges they carry, police are indistinguishable from criminal gangs and this guy turned against them.
Citation? That's not my understanding. Also, good luck proving to them that you didn't cross the border recently. Because that is the least of what they will demand. Then they will search you anyway. If you resist them in even the most subtle way you will be arrested. Are you under the impression that law enforcement in the US respects the law themselves? Well, they don't. They will do whatever they think they can get away with, which at least away from civilian witnesses, is pretty much anything up to and including murder.
console gamers will have to adapt or start playing on a PC but wait... SAME PROBLEM THERE....
Citation needed. Only a small percentage of PC games have DRM that is even remotely this draconian. And very few of all the new great games coming out through kickstarter will have any DRM at all. In addition I can't think of a single PC game with DRM that remained uncracked for any significant length of time. So if one finds the DRM too restrictive cracks are just a short download away.
Marijuana is 13.7%. Benzodiazipines are 5%. Opioids are a miniscule 1.4% (that surprises me a little). I dunno. I wouldn't call that "the vast majority". A significant percentage maybe but not a majority.
If I were a musician I would have a website and sell my tracks as downloadable FLAC files and maybe as redbook CDs. If enough people buy your music then you can survive without a day job and life is good. Otherwise you'll need a day job. Fuck the record companies. They are not needed anymore.
Or if you do get a record contract for your first album only give them the rights to that album and then self-publish after that. Not for the money, because they will be making nearly all of that, but for the exposure.
Another alternative is crowdfunding. Once you have a few good tracks to show see how much you can get for a whole album with kickstarter or indiegogo.
It's the new millenium already. It's time for blood-sucking, greedy record companies to die.
This guy should run if he gets the chance. He is seriously fucked. If he was smart enough to pull this off, why was he not smart enough to do it anonymously from public or unprotected wifi or even an internet cafe? Well, unless he did and the FBI have the wrong guy.
The FBI has a huge hardon for any kind of ToS violation crime or really any sort of GeekCrime, and I bet the FBI agent assigned to this case was a pissed off female with an axe to grind. How dare he trick girls into giving him naked photos!
He'll almost certainly be found guilty of the computer intrusion and is likely to be found guilty of the extortion as well, depending on how specific the wording of the federal law is about the monetary nature of any gains. He at least didn't ask for money.
Well some guys might be embarrassed, but they would just change the password on their account to a more secure one and delete the photos that were posted. Actually the threats seem kind of silly. Once she knew that her account had been compromised couldn't she have just informed facebook and had her password reset? His first thought would probably not be, "I'd better call the FBI." But we gotta keep our jails full somehow I guess.
You are 100% wrong in your assumptions about me. If anything I empathize with the girls more. I hate being embarrassed. I wouldn't want a nude photo of me posted anywhere on the internet. Although of course he didn't actually do that. He just threatened to. I don't like being threatened either. Of course there are a lot of things in life that I don't like.
I bet I have a better idea of how they feel than you. If I were in that situation I would do my best to speak out about what the state wants to do to him. I would feel a lot worse about being partially responsible for taking the man's life than I would about my own embarrassment at people seeing me naked.
Have you considered the idea that you may just be a selfish, cruel, insensitive, vindictive person who cares only about revenge and nothing about justice? Putting this guy in jail for the rest of his life isn't going to change the fact that these girls were tricked into sending him nude photos. It won't reduce their embarrassment. And even though a few of them may feel a bit of vindictive pleasure at the idea of hurting the guy I'm betting many of them will eventually feel some guilt if the guy ends up getting life in prison for seeing them naked. Or at least I'd like to think so. I hate to think that the majority of people are as evil as the ones who want this guy to get life in prison for this.
Violence against women? What the hell are you talking about? He just tricked them into showing him nude photos. That makes him a prick. Definitely not a nice person. But putting everyone who isn't a nice person in jail is not the answer.
And anti-Christian? Seriously? I thought my post was pro-Christian. I believe in the values of kindness, tolerance, forgiveness, mercy, empathy, and just being nice to others. And, yes, that does include not putting people in prison for their entire lives just for embarrassing people. Are those not Christian values?
Admittedly I am doing a bit of cherry picking since I guess Christianity is also about punishing sinners and eternal damnation and all that. Those are not values that I admire in a philosophy (religions are just ancient forms of philosophy) or in people. Cruelty, intolerance, hatred, revenge, bloodlust are not qualities that I admire at all.
So you are claiming that merely looking at a naked photo that another person voluntarily sent you is a form of rape. Legally speaking of course it is not. At least not in the US. If that were the case every American guy who has ever watched some porn would be imprisoned for rape. I would guess that would mean about 95% of the male population in prison. At that point you may as well just admit that the whole country is one big prison. Might make an interesting novel, but I wouldn't want to live in such a place.
Would you deny that the US is a country in which the majority of its citizens would identify themselves as Christians in some way? Are you saying that the majority of Americans are Muslims, Buddhists or Jews?
I just find it strange that people who claim to believe in love for your fellow man, kindness, mercy, and forgiveness are so enthusiastic about draconian punishments for the most minor of offenses. I have to wonder if the tendency of our society to move toward secularism is also resulting in greater cruelty, coldness, and indifference toward the suffering of others. As an atheist I wonder if the people who cynically started such legends in order to keep people in line had a point. I find it sad that human beings seem to require the threat of an all powerful entity in order to just be civil to each other. I don't believe in deities but I do believe in kindness and empathy. I wish more people did instead of just claiming to.
Fine. Life in prison for stealing lots of candy bars then. The principle is the same. As for your nationality I didn't mean to imply that Americans were the only ones with bloodlust and a deep thirst for vengeance. It's just that such people don't seem to make up the majority of citizens in many other countries.
Some countries are even worse in terms of draconian punishments. Death for drug trafficking in some Asian countries. Death and/or long prison sentences for what seem like minor offenses in some middle eastern countries. So it's not like America is unique in its obsession with punishment. Though we do have the greatest number of people in prison, beating even China and Russia in that regard. Such a large percentage of our citizens are in prison at any given time that it should really be looked at a bit like mandatory military service is looked at elsewhere.
I don't think anybody (except maybe the victims families) has suggested he should be executed.
I don't consider life in prison to be significantly different from execution. I would prefer execution, and I don't think I am the only one. Life in a cage is not a life at all.
What if he had blackmailed 1,000 women? 10,000 women? 100,000 women? How many blackmailed and recorded strip tease sessions would he have to have forced women into before he deserved life?
There is no number. He could 'blackmail' an infinite number of people and it wouldn't merit significantly more punishment in my view than a single one. Any other view would be consistent with hanging habitual, serial shoplifters. Something I would regard as barbaric and far, far worse than the original crimes. At some point, draconian punishments themselves become more of a crime than the original act. This is one such case. If this guy gets any significant amount of jail time I would consider him more of a victim than any of the women.
Would you feel this crime was minor if the blackmail had led to a suicide?
I would still consider the crime to be a relatively minor one, but it would become more serious with a suicide since it would show that the act, even though it was minor, resulted in serious harm to that particular individual. I would consider him partially responsible for her death.
I would still judge the girl in question badly however because having a nude picture posted to your facebook account is an unbelievably silly thing to kill yourself over. You may as well kill yourself over a broken nail. If she was that sensitive it would have been only a matter of time before she had killed herself anyway. If being seen naked by some of her friends makes her kill herself just imagine what she would do if a boyfriend that she liked broke up with her?
A teacher would be fired if such pictures get posted publicly, and there are many other companies which may do so as well.
That injustice would not be the man's fault. If you want to punish someone for harming the teacher, punish the people at the school or company responsible for such stupidity. You can't hold the guy responsible for the harmful behavior of others.
Could you not see how this could ruin various peoples lives?
No I can't. I have had far more embarrassing things happen to me and it didn't ruin my life in any way whatsoever. I was just embarrassed. It's not the end of the world. There is nothing wrong or shameful about nudity. We all have relatively similar bodies. It's just not a big deal. And I am speaking as someone ashamed of my body. I wish I had a beautiful body that I would be sufficiently proud of to post online to anyone, but I don't.
How many lives would need to be hurt and by how much before it becomes a major crime?
I don't think a 'crime' as minor as this could ever become a major crime no matter how many 'victims'.
Then again, if you don't feel inflicting emotional trauma on people can ever be serious, then I am glad you are not a lawmaker or judge, and saddened that you may serve in a jury.
Emotional trauma over being seen naked? That's almost funny. If anyone is that sensitive then they have far larger problems already. I think it would cause far greater emotional trauma to know that you were partially responsible for taking the life of another human being because you were bothered about being seen naked.
Emotional trauma can always be argued. Does a man cheating on his wife cause emotional trauma and would it be more than being accidentally seen naked? Should we be filling our prisons with cheating husbands and wives? With anyone who has ever lied to someone who loved them? How about anyone who breaks up with someone who loves them? Should we just hang them all? Put them in prison for the rest of their lives?
I still feel emotional pain over my first girlfriend breaking up with me 20 years ago. Should she be jailed for the hurt she has caused me? Okay, it would be satisfying in a way, but I wouldn't want to live in a society where every time someone is hurt emotionally the person who ca
That probably wouldn't bother him as much as it bothered his victims
Actually I'm thinking it just might bother him more. I think it's a good guess that these girls were attractive. If the guy is overweight and unattractive it is a lot more embarrassing and humiliating to have your pathetic photo posted for everyone to laugh at.
Well the rest of his wrongdoing was more or less victimless. Who was harmed by using someone else's login? It may be a bit of a privacy violation. Nothing more. He committed the real world equivalent of breaking and entering. If he were prosecuted for that I wouldn't complain. But since it was a computer he must forfeit his life.
What is or is not actually legal is not of great interest to me. Many of our laws are unjust. The fact that the penalties for computer 'crimes' are so out of proportion to violent crimes where someone was actually injured is certainly unfortunate though. Hatred of geeks, maybe?
Owning or growing certain plants is also illegal in this country. Driving faster than 20 mph on some roads. The question is what would be just punishment? In this case I believe the punishment should be merciful and lenient. Something at the opposite end of the scale from punishment imposed on serial killers. Instead it seems people want to see him swinging from a rope for just being an asshole. I do see justice in executing a murderer. An eye for an eye makes a lot of sense. Obviously that wouldn't fly in cases like this. Causing him some embarassment and violating his privacy? How dull that would be. That wouldn't satisfy anyone's thirst for blood.
Next we'll institute the death penalty or life in prison for men who cheat on their wives. There are lots of immoral people in the world. Not all of them deserve to be caged like an animal for the rest of their so called life or swinging from a rope.
I'm not saying that this guy shouldn't be punished. Maybe a few months in prison or monetary restitution to the victims. Something sane and civilized. Life in prison for causing embarassment is neither.
As far as information. It has a tendency to escape. Sort of like water in a tank. Water 'wants' to escape from a container. That does not mean that it is human or even alive. There is nothing anthtropomorphic about the expression. It's just an expression and this case is yet another example of its truth. Some people like this tendency of information to escape. Some people don't. The information doesn't care either way. It will just sit there. Waiting for the inevitable. It's only a matter of time.
Right. Because 1000 years in jail is so much worse than 100. So many Americans would get so wet or hard if they could figure out a way to put people they don't like in cages for more than one lifetime. Thank god we have laws like this. Otherwise we could never keep our jails full. There just aren't enough genuinely bad people, at least without badges. So we have to resort to this sort of thing.
A lot of people are probably hoping that this guy will kill himself just like Swartz and if that happens it will not be because he didn't want to spend the rest of his life in prison. Oh no. That couldn't be. It will be because he was mentally ill and would have killed himself anyway.
He is exactly the kind of person that we WANT taken out of society.
Speak for yourself. I think you are the sociopath. I have empathy for everyone involved here. The girls have learned an important lesson about how information tends to escape and about trusting people too much. The guy has probably already learned his lesson, but a month in jail or restitution of, say, $200 to each victim would probably suffice for punishment.
It's amazing to me that the US is supposed to be a Christian country. Christianity is supposed to be about kindness and forgiveness. Not about hanging everyone who behaves in a manner you don't approve of. I'm an atheist myself and even I am shocked and saddened by the enthusiasm with which my country pursues punishment as if just imprisoning or executing enough people will solve every problem. This case is more about petty vengeance than any sort of real justice. Justice would be posting nude photos of him on the internet. After all that is what he threatened to do to them. An eye for an eye and all that.
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I didn't realize he had gone after the families of the bad cops. I agree that that is not just wrong, but pretty sick. So basically you have a guy going after the cops' families vs a bunch of cops who have no problem with blindly shooting up every pickup truck that resembles Dorner's, not caring who they kill. Who actually shot a mother and daughter in doing so. The cops who did that should be arrested and put in jail, but is that going to happen? Of course not. These are not men that I feel the slightest bit of sympathy for. They are disgusting, evil human beings themselves. But unlike Dorner they are cowards afraid of going up against anyone armed without absurdly superior numbers, body armor, and all kinds of other unfair advantages. Evil vicious cowards.
The fact that Dorner has proven himself bad despite ignoring the Blue Wall of silence and reporting the sadistic beating of a helpless suspect shouldn't really be that surprising. Most people who become cops are violent people, bullies, sadists, and amoral sociopaths. This incident just makes me more certain that the vast majority of police are like that. When it comes to US police even the 'good' guys are themselves sick and evil.
As far as going after 'random' cops, those random cops have proven willing to shoot him on sight. And not just on sight of him, but on sight of anything which holds any chance of him being inside. I'd say that is pretty close to self-defense. In a shoot-out being first to pull the trigger is everything and he knows the cops will shoot him.
For men with honor, few as they may be, the moral is: report the abuse, get fired; take every legal avenue possible
What legal avenues? I suppose he could have gone to the FBI, who are responsible for enforcing this sort of thing precisely because it is pretty obvious that, just like any gang and like the FBI themselves, the cops are always going to protect their own. The only question is whether or not the FBI considers the local cops to be one of their own as well. In which case reporting police criminal activity to them is just as useless as filing a complaint about it with the police.
Is it evil to seek justice?
What really happened is, from a prone face up position, the suspect head butted the boot of the officer, multiple times, staining it with his blood and injuring the officer. He had to go home and get a foot massage from his doting wife who kissed it to make it better. The officer only had his foot above the face of the suspect because he was innocently tying his bootlaces.
Not that any of this excuses his actions in the slightest.
I agree that killing the bad cops is an over-reaction, but otherwise he does sound like one of the good guys who got fired for violating the blue wall of silence.
The problem is that seeking justice against a cop is a problematic endeavor. Short of improbably convincing evidence that is quite rare in the real world, getting a DA to prosecute a cop for anything is nearly impossible. So our justice system doesn't punish them. Period. Not even for murder (well unless it's for the murder of another cop of course).
So if you are a justice minded person what do you do? Just accept that the system sucks and live with the injustice? Killing them may be an overly harsh punishment depending on what the cops actually did, but it is pretty much the only thing you can do against them. These guys are armed pretty much all the time. This is what happens when our justice system breaks down and seeks injustice instead. This is one of the practical problems with a corrupt system where a certain privileged elite are above the law.
It's also important to keep in mind that the murdered cops may have threatened Dorner's life. He may have had reason to believe that they would have murdered him, and of course got away with it, if he hadn't killed them first. The code of the Blue Wall may have allowed that. In their view he is a 'rat'. Think about what criminal gangs do to rats. Aside from the badges they carry, police are indistinguishable from criminal gangs and this guy turned against them.
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Citation? That's not my understanding. Also, good luck proving to them that you didn't cross the border recently. Because that is the least of what they will demand. Then they will search you anyway. If you resist them in even the most subtle way you will be arrested. Are you under the impression that law enforcement in the US respects the law themselves? Well, they don't. They will do whatever they think they can get away with, which at least away from civilian witnesses, is pretty much anything up to and including murder.
console gamers will have to adapt or start playing on a PC but wait... SAME PROBLEM THERE ....
Citation needed. Only a small percentage of PC games have DRM that is even remotely this draconian. And very few of all the new great games coming out through kickstarter will have any DRM at all. In addition I can't think of a single PC game with DRM that remained uncracked for any significant length of time. So if one finds the DRM too restrictive cracks are just a short download away.
Marijuana is 13.7%. Benzodiazipines are 5%. Opioids are a miniscule 1.4% (that surprises me a little). I dunno. I wouldn't call that "the vast majority". A significant percentage maybe but not a majority.
But most of the rights the government restricts, like the right to grow plants for instance, is not for the good of society.
If I were a musician I would have a website and sell my tracks as downloadable FLAC files and maybe as redbook CDs. If enough people buy your music then you can survive without a day job and life is good. Otherwise you'll need a day job. Fuck the record companies. They are not needed anymore.
Or if you do get a record contract for your first album only give them the rights to that album and then self-publish after that. Not for the money, because they will be making nearly all of that, but for the exposure.
Another alternative is crowdfunding. Once you have a few good tracks to show see how much you can get for a whole album with kickstarter or indiegogo.
It's the new millenium already. It's time for blood-sucking, greedy record companies to die.
This guy should run if he gets the chance. He is seriously fucked. If he was smart enough to pull this off, why was he not smart enough to do it anonymously from public or unprotected wifi or even an internet cafe? Well, unless he did and the FBI have the wrong guy.
The FBI has a huge hardon for any kind of ToS violation crime or really any sort of GeekCrime, and I bet the FBI agent assigned to this case was a pissed off female with an axe to grind. How dare he trick girls into giving him naked photos!
He'll almost certainly be found guilty of the computer intrusion and is likely to be found guilty of the extortion as well, depending on how specific the wording of the federal law is about the monetary nature of any gains. He at least didn't ask for money.
Well some guys might be embarrassed, but they would just change the password on their account to a more secure one and delete the photos that were posted. Actually the threats seem kind of silly. Once she knew that her account had been compromised couldn't she have just informed facebook and had her password reset? His first thought would probably not be, "I'd better call the FBI." But we gotta keep our jails full somehow I guess.
You are 100% wrong in your assumptions about me. If anything I empathize with the girls more. I hate being embarrassed. I wouldn't want a nude photo of me posted anywhere on the internet. Although of course he didn't actually do that. He just threatened to. I don't like being threatened either. Of course there are a lot of things in life that I don't like.
I bet I have a better idea of how they feel than you. If I were in that situation I would do my best to speak out about what the state wants to do to him. I would feel a lot worse about being partially responsible for taking the man's life than I would about my own embarrassment at people seeing me naked.
Have you considered the idea that you may just be a selfish, cruel, insensitive, vindictive person who cares only about revenge and nothing about justice? Putting this guy in jail for the rest of his life isn't going to change the fact that these girls were tricked into sending him nude photos. It won't reduce their embarrassment. And even though a few of them may feel a bit of vindictive pleasure at the idea of hurting the guy I'm betting many of them will eventually feel some guilt if the guy ends up getting life in prison for seeing them naked. Or at least I'd like to think so. I hate to think that the majority of people are as evil as the ones who want this guy to get life in prison for this.
Violence against women? What the hell are you talking about? He just tricked them into showing him nude photos. That makes him a prick. Definitely not a nice person. But putting everyone who isn't a nice person in jail is not the answer.
And anti-Christian? Seriously? I thought my post was pro-Christian. I believe in the values of kindness, tolerance, forgiveness, mercy, empathy, and just being nice to others. And, yes, that does include not putting people in prison for their entire lives just for embarrassing people. Are those not Christian values?
Admittedly I am doing a bit of cherry picking since I guess Christianity is also about punishing sinners and eternal damnation and all that. Those are not values that I admire in a philosophy (religions are just ancient forms of philosophy) or in people. Cruelty, intolerance, hatred, revenge, bloodlust are not qualities that I admire at all.
So you are claiming that merely looking at a naked photo that another person voluntarily sent you is a form of rape. Legally speaking of course it is not. At least not in the US. If that were the case every American guy who has ever watched some porn would be imprisoned for rape. I would guess that would mean about 95% of the male population in prison. At that point you may as well just admit that the whole country is one big prison. Might make an interesting novel, but I wouldn't want to live in such a place.
Would you deny that the US is a country in which the majority of its citizens would identify themselves as Christians in some way? Are you saying that the majority of Americans are Muslims, Buddhists or Jews?
I just find it strange that people who claim to believe in love for your fellow man, kindness, mercy, and forgiveness are so enthusiastic about draconian punishments for the most minor of offenses. I have to wonder if the tendency of our society to move toward secularism is also resulting in greater cruelty, coldness, and indifference toward the suffering of others. As an atheist I wonder if the people who cynically started such legends in order to keep people in line had a point. I find it sad that human beings seem to require the threat of an all powerful entity in order to just be civil to each other. I don't believe in deities but I do believe in kindness and empathy. I wish more people did instead of just claiming to.
Fine. Life in prison for stealing lots of candy bars then. The principle is the same. As for your nationality I didn't mean to imply that Americans were the only ones with bloodlust and a deep thirst for vengeance. It's just that such people don't seem to make up the majority of citizens in many other countries.
Some countries are even worse in terms of draconian punishments. Death for drug trafficking in some Asian countries. Death and/or long prison sentences for what seem like minor offenses in some middle eastern countries. So it's not like America is unique in its obsession with punishment. Though we do have the greatest number of people in prison, beating even China and Russia in that regard. Such a large percentage of our citizens are in prison at any given time that it should really be looked at a bit like mandatory military service is looked at elsewhere.
I don't think anybody (except maybe the victims families) has suggested he should be executed.
I don't consider life in prison to be significantly different from execution. I would prefer execution, and I don't think I am the only one. Life in a cage is not a life at all.
What if he had blackmailed 1,000 women? 10,000 women? 100,000 women? How many blackmailed and recorded strip tease sessions would he have to have forced women into before he deserved life?
There is no number. He could 'blackmail' an infinite number of people and it wouldn't merit significantly more punishment in my view than a single one. Any other view would be consistent with hanging habitual, serial shoplifters. Something I would regard as barbaric and far, far worse than the original crimes. At some point, draconian punishments themselves become more of a crime than the original act. This is one such case. If this guy gets any significant amount of jail time I would consider him more of a victim than any of the women.
Would you feel this crime was minor if the blackmail had led to a suicide?
I would still consider the crime to be a relatively minor one, but it would become more serious with a suicide since it would show that the act, even though it was minor, resulted in serious harm to that particular individual. I would consider him partially responsible for her death.
I would still judge the girl in question badly however because having a nude picture posted to your facebook account is an unbelievably silly thing to kill yourself over. You may as well kill yourself over a broken nail. If she was that sensitive it would have been only a matter of time before she had killed herself anyway. If being seen naked by some of her friends makes her kill herself just imagine what she would do if a boyfriend that she liked broke up with her?
A teacher would be fired if such pictures get posted publicly, and there are many other companies which may do so as well.
That injustice would not be the man's fault. If you want to punish someone for harming the teacher, punish the people at the school or company responsible for such stupidity. You can't hold the guy responsible for the harmful behavior of others.
Could you not see how this could ruin various peoples lives?
No I can't. I have had far more embarrassing things happen to me and it didn't ruin my life in any way whatsoever. I was just embarrassed. It's not the end of the world. There is nothing wrong or shameful about nudity. We all have relatively similar bodies. It's just not a big deal. And I am speaking as someone ashamed of my body. I wish I had a beautiful body that I would be sufficiently proud of to post online to anyone, but I don't.
How many lives would need to be hurt and by how much before it becomes a major crime?
I don't think a 'crime' as minor as this could ever become a major crime no matter how many 'victims'.
Then again, if you don't feel inflicting emotional trauma on people can ever be serious, then I am glad you are not a lawmaker or judge, and saddened that you may serve in a jury.
Emotional trauma over being seen naked? That's almost funny. If anyone is that sensitive then they have far larger problems already. I think it would cause far greater emotional trauma to know that you were partially responsible for taking the life of another human being because you were bothered about being seen naked.
Emotional trauma can always be argued. Does a man cheating on his wife cause emotional trauma and would it be more than being accidentally seen naked? Should we be filling our prisons with cheating husbands and wives? With anyone who has ever lied to someone who loved them? How about anyone who breaks up with someone who loves them? Should we just hang them all? Put them in prison for the rest of their lives?
I still feel emotional pain over my first girlfriend breaking up with me 20 years ago. Should she be jailed for the hurt she has caused me? Okay, it would be satisfying in a way, but I wouldn't want to live in a society where every time someone is hurt emotionally the person who ca
That probably wouldn't bother him as much as it bothered his victims
Actually I'm thinking it just might bother him more. I think it's a good guess that these girls were attractive. If the guy is overweight and unattractive it is a lot more embarrassing and humiliating to have your pathetic photo posted for everyone to laugh at.
Well the rest of his wrongdoing was more or less victimless. Who was harmed by using someone else's login? It may be a bit of a privacy violation. Nothing more. He committed the real world equivalent of breaking and entering. If he were prosecuted for that I wouldn't complain. But since it was a computer he must forfeit his life.
What is or is not actually legal is not of great interest to me. Many of our laws are unjust. The fact that the penalties for computer 'crimes' are so out of proportion to violent crimes where someone was actually injured is certainly unfortunate though. Hatred of geeks, maybe?
Owning or growing certain plants is also illegal in this country. Driving faster than 20 mph on some roads. The question is what would be just punishment? In this case I believe the punishment should be merciful and lenient. Something at the opposite end of the scale from punishment imposed on serial killers. Instead it seems people want to see him swinging from a rope for just being an asshole. I do see justice in executing a murderer. An eye for an eye makes a lot of sense. Obviously that wouldn't fly in cases like this. Causing him some embarassment and violating his privacy? How dull that would be. That wouldn't satisfy anyone's thirst for blood.
Next we'll institute the death penalty or life in prison for men who cheat on their wives. There are lots of immoral people in the world. Not all of them deserve to be caged like an animal for the rest of their so called life or swinging from a rope.
I'm not saying that this guy shouldn't be punished. Maybe a few months in prison or monetary restitution to the victims. Something sane and civilized. Life in prison for causing embarassment is neither.
As far as information. It has a tendency to escape. Sort of like water in a tank. Water 'wants' to escape from a container. That does not mean that it is human or even alive. There is nothing anthtropomorphic about the expression. It's just an expression and this case is yet another example of its truth. Some people like this tendency of information to escape. Some people don't. The information doesn't care either way. It will just sit there. Waiting for the inevitable. It's only a matter of time.
Right. Because 1000 years in jail is so much worse than 100. So many Americans would get so wet or hard if they could figure out a way to put people they don't like in cages for more than one lifetime. Thank god we have laws like this. Otherwise we could never keep our jails full. There just aren't enough genuinely bad people, at least without badges. So we have to resort to this sort of thing.
A lot of people are probably hoping that this guy will kill himself just like Swartz and if that happens it will not be because he didn't want to spend the rest of his life in prison. Oh no. That couldn't be. It will be because he was mentally ill and would have killed himself anyway.
He is exactly the kind of person that we WANT taken out of society.
Speak for yourself. I think you are the sociopath. I have empathy for everyone involved here. The girls have learned an important lesson about how information tends to escape and about trusting people too much. The guy has probably already learned his lesson, but a month in jail or restitution of, say, $200 to each victim would probably suffice for punishment.
It's amazing to me that the US is supposed to be a Christian country. Christianity is supposed to be about kindness and forgiveness. Not about hanging everyone who behaves in a manner you don't approve of. I'm an atheist myself and even I am shocked and saddened by the enthusiasm with which my country pursues punishment as if just imprisoning or executing enough people will solve every problem. This case is more about petty vengeance than any sort of real justice. Justice would be posting nude photos of him on the internet. After all that is what he threatened to do to them. An eye for an eye and all that.