Let me get this strait. You are responsible for making sure that at least some part of our government's information is secure, and you are spending your morning reading slashdot. You should be randomizing security tokens, reconfiguring kerbos settings, or scalding users for using their child's birthday as a pin number. You shouldn't be commenting on how important people get what they want, regardless if it is a good idea or not. We all already know this, spend your time being paranoid that your new girlfriend is a undercover agent for dirka-dirkastan.
Remember, when you read slashdot, the terrorists win.
OK, now to start off, this is usuall how i explain my computing habbits to people who ask.
Linux for my Desktops, FreeBSD for my Servers, OpenBSD for my Firewalls/Gateways, MacOS for Fun, and Windows for a Coaster.
Now the question is why do i use Linux for my desktops, and not FreeBSD. Applications, The same reason that Windows users say they can't leave windows. More of the "Upcomming Apps" are being created for Linux. And most of the Apps comming from other OSes are being ported to Linux. Yes I know that BSD has the linux compatability API's that let you run linux apps, but why run something emulated when you can run on the accual OS they are written for. I find little difference between my RedHat Desktop and my FreeBSD servers. If someone could tell me a reason to use FreeBSD as a desktop over linux then I could put up with the emulation. But for now they seem about the same, except for the Apps.
I do know several people who use OpenBSD for their desktops. They use it because of the built in crypto and extra security functions. Thye feel that this is worth the trade off in functionality that they loose by not using one of the more "Mainstream" *nixes. I've found this trade off to be mostly in device drivers and, again, apps.
I think that marketing is going to be the reason that more things keep coming out on linux first. more people hear about linux, more people try linux. Developers say "hey, we should develop this for the larger user base". Thats why Neverwinter Nights is coming out for Windows, Mac, and Linux. It's a very self propetuating system. Just like why there are more Apps released for Windows than the mac. =================
macbert@hcity.net
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) :
Is
The third person singular of the substantive verb be, in the indicative mood, present tense; as, he is; he is a man. See Be. =================
macbert@hcity.net
I had the same problem on RH7. I uninstalled (rm -rf) and reinstalled with no switches just in my user directory. Now it works great. I hope they get the -net option working soon. Multiple user installs of 147 MB a peice is a little hard to justify. =================
macbert@hcity.net
For all of you who insist that this is a waste of money or pointless, you need to understand that mabie, just mabie, your not the target market for this product and you need to recognise that people have need that you don't.
I on the other hand AM the target market for this and I think its great. I NEED this. Its a "Universal Docking station". I's going to allow me to do things I only dreamed of, like having ONE workstation. I use (4) four computer now and need to consolidate. I have to use a laptop, period. Now I can have my laptop, and when I'm in the office, Two 21" monitors on seperate 32MB 3d cards, (I Love XF4) and my scsi array, and still pick up and go to the coffie shop, work and have all of my apps and docs setup like I like with out upkeeping and supporting multiple computers and sets of software.
This is a product for "mobile developers", and it's great. (As soon as it gets linux support.) =================
macbert@hcity.net
How do we let IBM, and others, know there is interest in this product. How many great devises are there that never made it to market because of a perceived lack of interest from the intended market. I think that this would go a lot further than the production data posted so far would show. But, unless there is enough interest from people who would use a multi function device that has ability to sync/communicate wirelessly with other devices. (I can just see having you watch go off when you have an appointment entered in on your palm pilot or laptop.) There needs to be a standard way of communicating with the manufacturers and saying "Yes, if you sell it we will come (and hack the hell out of it doing things you never expected.)" I for one would trade in my Palm Pilot for a Compaq Itsy in a heartbeat, but maybe that's just me. =================
macbert@hcity.net
Yes. The BSD layer won't be installed by default, but when you install it, it should come with gcc - although they'll be clear to mark it as an extra utility, not as part of the operating system, to avoid breaking the GPL.
I'm Sorry but saying the BSD layer won't be installed by default is like having a computer with just the GTK libs and gnome installed on it with no kernel. the bsd layer is the OS and the other stuff (ie. Carbon, Quartz, Java) are just implimentations and libs on top of it. The BSD comes from NEXT (a bsd based system) and the "core" BSD stuff will HAVE to be there. the "extras" will most likely sit in a "extras folder" on the install CD.
As far as themes go, yes someone will always come up with a way to customise the desktop, the system is there and as they say "they have built it, we will come." And as far as KDE or Gnome, the fact that they already have X11 ported to Darwin gives them a big headstart on the final OSX when it comes out.
On X86 hardware, yes the "OS" will run on X86 but just as you pointed out, it's the specific drivers that cause the problem. thats why Apple has always kept so much control on the hardware. That way they really can test every possable hardware config for driver problems. That's why Apple isn't likely to "offically" have an OSX for X86, they just can't afford to write drivers for every peice of hardware out there. Microsoft has spent years keeping up with the "driver database" and every new OS revision they have "new" drivers and the vendors have to update their drivers also. Apple can't be profitable and do this without a TOTAL commitment from the venders and a considerable ammount of people purchasing OSX for X86 to return their investment. It still wouldn't supprise me it Steve had something in mind for X86. Why else would the Darwin team be working on it. Remember, he killed off all of the Easter Eggs in all apple software, so you know he only likes his people working on things with a purpose.
I've been trying to replace my mac with a linuxbox for several months now and Helixcode.com is the best begining to doing this. Not only does it come with a great set of software and a vastly enhansed set of features over the standard Gnome Desktop they are also creating the "killer email client" for Gnome called Evolution. This isn't avaiable yet and I do strongly suggest trying Balsa fro the time being. I love the automated updates and the smooth installer program. Here's my list of programs to start with Gimp (images) Abiword (wordprocessor) gedit (text) gnumeric (spreadsheet) navigator (web) balsa (email) bluefish (html) amaya (web layout) gftp (ftp) Also WINE is a wonderfull program for running the "nessary windows" programs. Their application compatability database is wonderfull for finding what can and will work. The primary reason I still use a mac for my "Production Computer" is Macromedia's Dreamweaver 3 and it's inability to run through WINE. ================= macbert@hcity.net
Isn't debian the distribution that VA and O'Reilly put in a box and sold a little while ago. It was packaged with OReilly's debian book. A $34.95 value in a $19.99 box. I assumed that they (VA) would be offering it as an option. Does anyone know if they have any plans on selling a shrinkwrapped version after potato goes current?
I think that these points are right on, I've gone from being a linux newbie to that "linux friend" in only a year and he understands both sides of the process. But is the section discribing the Open source still requires good project management concept detailing the Mozilla project, now dubbed Netscape 6.0.
The production of an enterprise class Web browser is a amazing feat and the Mozilla team is doing an amazing job. But as the first commercial project developed in the opensource limelight, the time that it has taken to produce a enduser capable and stable browser has been unreasonable. they have had to skip the 5.0 cycle just to keep up with IE. I know 4.7 is the best web browser for linux (and the mac) but it is desprately falling behind on Windows, the platform of the common user.
They (netscape) are losing users to IE every day. Good, hardworking, M$ hating people are using IE because it works better and is newer than Netscape 4.7. I'm not critising the Mozilla project, just wondering what the OSS community can learn from the need to keep releases of enduser viable products constant to keep up with the closed development process created software that can churn out pollished, not bug free, but enduser polished (complete interface and installer, working features, etc) software in slave driven schedules. Endusers don't want to install a pre alpha build of software that may or may not work. and they want all of the new features and the newest bells and whistles.
What can the OSS movement do keep the end user happy?
Wasn't this just a side effect of the ability to post to created pages (oddly like this one) and be able to take advantage of the features of html... If this is such a problem do we blame the W3c or html standard or the server makers, or maybe the client makers.(another aol or M$ lawsuit??) (by blame i mean who is responsible for creating a fix) If the HTML is the culprit then do we need to change the standard to protect against malicious use or should this fall again to the HTML coders and webmasters to work around the security issues yet again (ie JAVA). I think that if this is such a problem then the definition of malicious code will need to be very specific in order to make the standard "safer" (if there is such a thing). If that happens then we will once again be sacrificing features for security.
/insert sarcasm here/
Drat, now i can't post my javascript to uninstall windows and reinstall linux on an unsuspecting persons hard drive to slashdot.
Slashdot Mirror
Let me get this strait. You are responsible for making sure that at least some part of our government's information is secure, and you are spending your morning reading slashdot. You should be randomizing security tokens, reconfiguring kerbos settings, or scalding users for using their child's birthday as a pin number. You shouldn't be commenting on how important people get what they want, regardless if it is a good idea or not. We all already know this, spend your time being paranoid that your new girlfriend is a undercover agent for dirka-dirkastan.
Remember, when you read slashdot, the terrorists win.
Linux for my Desktops, FreeBSD for my Servers, OpenBSD for my Firewalls/Gateways, MacOS for Fun, and Windows for a Coaster.
Now the question is why do i use Linux for my desktops, and not FreeBSD. Applications, The same reason that Windows users say they can't leave windows. More of the "Upcomming Apps" are being created for Linux. And most of the Apps comming from other OSes are being ported to Linux. Yes I know that BSD has the linux compatability API's that let you run linux apps, but why run something emulated when you can run on the accual OS they are written for. I find little difference between my RedHat Desktop and my FreeBSD servers. If someone could tell me a reason to use FreeBSD as a desktop over linux then I could put up with the emulation. But for now they seem about the same, except for the Apps.
I do know several people who use OpenBSD for their desktops. They use it because of the built in crypto and extra security functions. Thye feel that this is worth the trade off in functionality that they loose by not using one of the more "Mainstream" *nixes. I've found this trade off to be mostly in device drivers and, again, apps.
I think that marketing is going to be the reason that more things keep coming out on linux first. more people hear about linux, more people try linux. Developers say "hey, we should develop this for the larger user base". Thats why Neverwinter Nights is coming out for Windows, Mac, and Linux. It's a very self propetuating system. Just like why there are more Apps released for Windows than the mac.
=================
macbert@hcity.net
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) :
Is
The third person singular of the substantive verb be, in the indicative mood, present tense; as, he is; he is a man. See Be.
=================
macbert@hcity.net
I had the same problem on RH7. I uninstalled (rm -rf) and reinstalled with no switches just in my user directory. Now it works great. I hope they get the -net option working soon. Multiple user installs of 147 MB a peice is a little hard to justify.
=================
macbert@hcity.net
I on the other hand AM the target market for this and I think its great. I NEED this. Its a "Universal Docking station". I's going to allow me to do things I only dreamed of, like having ONE workstation. I use (4) four computer now and need to consolidate. I have to use a laptop, period. Now I can have my laptop, and when I'm in the office, Two 21" monitors on seperate 32MB 3d cards, (I Love XF4) and my scsi array, and still pick up and go to the coffie shop, work and have all of my apps and docs setup like I like with out upkeeping and supporting multiple computers and sets of software.
This is a product for "mobile developers", and it's great. (As soon as it gets linux support.)
=================
macbert@hcity.net
How do we let IBM, and others, know there is interest in this product. How many great devises are there that never made it to market because of a perceived lack of interest from the intended market. I think that this would go a lot further than the production data posted so far would show. But, unless there is enough interest from people who would use a multi function device that has ability to sync/communicate wirelessly with other devices. (I can just see having you watch go off when you have an appointment entered in on your palm pilot or laptop.) There needs to be a standard way of communicating with the manufacturers and saying "Yes, if you sell it we will come (and hack the hell out of it doing things you never expected.)" I for one would trade in my Palm Pilot for a Compaq Itsy in a heartbeat, but maybe that's just me.
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macbert@hcity.net
Some of us sit behind corprate firewalls that block the 2600 website and couldn't read the origional article.
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macbert@hcity.net
I'm Sorry but saying the BSD layer won't be installed by default is like having a computer with just the GTK libs and gnome installed on it with no kernel. the bsd layer is the OS and the other stuff (ie. Carbon, Quartz, Java) are just implimentations and libs on top of it. The BSD comes from NEXT (a bsd based system) and the "core" BSD stuff will HAVE to be there. the "extras" will most likely sit in a "extras folder" on the install CD.
As far as themes go, yes someone will always come up with a way to customise the desktop, the system is there and as they say "they have built it, we will come." And as far as KDE or Gnome, the fact that they already have X11 ported to Darwin gives them a big headstart on the final OSX when it comes out.
On X86 hardware, yes the "OS" will run on X86 but just as you pointed out, it's the specific drivers that cause the problem. thats why Apple has always kept so much control on the hardware. That way they really can test every possable hardware config for driver problems. That's why Apple isn't likely to "offically" have an OSX for X86, they just can't afford to write drivers for every peice of hardware out there. Microsoft has spent years keeping up with the "driver database" and every new OS revision they have "new" drivers and the vendors have to update their drivers also. Apple can't be profitable and do this without a TOTAL commitment from the venders and a considerable ammount of people purchasing OSX for X86 to return their investment. It still wouldn't supprise me it Steve had something in mind for X86. Why else would the Darwin team be working on it. Remember, he killed off all of the Easter Eggs in all apple software, so you know he only likes his people working on things with a purpose.
=================
macbert@hcity.net
I've been trying to replace my mac with a linuxbox for several months now and Helixcode.com is the best begining to doing this. Not only does it come with a great set of software and a vastly enhansed set of features over the standard Gnome Desktop they are also creating the "killer email client" for Gnome called Evolution. This isn't avaiable yet and I do strongly suggest trying Balsa fro the time being. I love the automated updates and the smooth installer program. Here's my list of programs to start with Gimp (images) Abiword (wordprocessor) gedit (text) gnumeric (spreadsheet) navigator (web) balsa (email) bluefish (html) amaya (web layout) gftp (ftp) Also WINE is a wonderfull program for running the "nessary windows" programs. Their application compatability database is wonderfull for finding what can and will work. The primary reason I still use a mac for my "Production Computer" is Macromedia's Dreamweaver 3 and it's inability to run through WINE.
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macbert@hcity.net
Isn't debian the distribution that VA and O'Reilly put in a box and sold a little while ago. It was packaged with OReilly's debian book. A $34.95 value in a $19.99 box. I assumed that they (VA) would be offering it as an option. Does anyone know if they have any plans on selling a shrinkwrapped version after potato goes current?
Debian from VA
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macbert@hcity.net
http://www.hcity.net/mac
http://www2.kenyon.edu/people/shankb/samba/
Apple may not be on the ball with SMB intergrated support but the admins understand the importance of keeping all of our users happy.
And all you MacOS X needs on http://www.stepwise.com/
The production of an enterprise class Web browser is a amazing feat and the Mozilla team is doing an amazing job. But as the first commercial project developed in the opensource limelight, the time that it has taken to produce a enduser capable and stable browser has been unreasonable. they have had to skip the 5.0 cycle just to keep up with IE. I know 4.7 is the best web browser for linux (and the mac) but it is desprately falling behind on Windows, the platform of the common user.
They (netscape) are losing users to IE every day. Good, hardworking, M$ hating people are using IE because it works better and is newer than Netscape 4.7. I'm not critising the Mozilla project, just wondering what the OSS community can learn from the need to keep releases of enduser viable products constant to keep up with the closed development process created software that can churn out pollished, not bug free, but enduser polished (complete interface and installer, working features, etc) software in slave driven schedules. Endusers don't want to install a pre alpha build of software that may or may not work. and they want all of the new features and the newest bells and whistles.
What can the OSS movement do keep the end user happy?
Drat, now i can't post my javascript to uninstall windows and reinstall linux on an unsuspecting persons hard drive to slashdot.
link to my malicious_code