hhmm.. well some earlier posters touched on a few topics that I think are effective means of promoting change. I think it was Gandhi that said be the change you want to see in the world or something along those lines.
I for one dont own a television, threw it out 4 years ago. I use the net to find diverse information sources and use them against eachother to try and seperate fact from fiction. I show other people how to do this. I follow politics, I vote, etc. etc. I will raise kids at some point that will hopefully do the same. I encourage that behavior in my friends, family, and coworkers. At some point I intend to do more but so far this is the best I can do. I am not patting myself on the back because I obviously see that I am not doing enough. I am saying that I think there are effective ways of living that are more powerful than some lame attempt at influence that any organization (corp/media/govt) can manage.
I grew up in this society, I managed to think and be responsible for myself. To say that it is unreasonable to expect others to do the same is to simultaneously rob them of their free will and to deny that they are capable of self-governance. Its like saying, its OK that you cant think for yourself, I understand that you are only capable of doing so under rosy conditions, so when the going gets tough, us elite people will help you along. It is a problematic paradigm for anyone who wants a truly free society . It is also a far more malicious deceit as it is couched in such sweet terms. Think about what you are saying when you make the statement that people need revolution led by the free thinking || special assistance || anything else. Think about the logical, requisite, underlying assumptions in those statements. I would much rather say you are fat and lazy and have thus far made mistakes but are capable of self governance then to say you are a poor victim incapable of defending yourself from TV advertisements. But maybe I am just an idealist.
oh yeah, aside from the obvious Patriot, BraveHeart, Matrix, and others of the like? I would actually say that on the negative side as well.;-) BTW, really dont mean any of this as slamming you but just like to debate this stuff.
Ugh!.. I am sorry if I am going to be harsh here, and I dont mean to direct it entirely at you but...
getting our "masters" to "cede power" is exactly the type of mentality that has given up what power we have lost. By giving up our responsibility for self-governance (willingly by previous generations) and accepting the stupidity of previous generations by going along with it you create a nice us-and-them chasm with faux flames to keep the faint of heart from "retaking our liberty". This is a pile of crap!
What I am trying to figure out is do people create these conspiracy theories and the evil-all-powerful-big-brother delusions to make themselves feel better for not actually taking responsibility for governing themselves or do they subconsciously want to live in a nice comfy society where big brother controls them and this is their way of getting there?
Technology and robots are not our masters, the people employed by the big evil government were not grown in test-tubes, aliens are not dressed up in bob dole and bill clinton costumes and controlling our destinies, we are not plugged into some kind of matrix. Mostly we are a fat successful lazy insecure people that dont want to do the unglamorous work of studying issues, meeting politicians, joining groups, voting, and all the other civic duties that are required to have a free self-governing society. Hollywood doesn't make movies about people voting but lots of movies about "watering the tree of liberty with blood".
And again the symptom is convincing them how to deal with the problem where as the root cause is actually their subconscious view that everyone will sit on their lazy asses and steal from the company rather than work. I look at it as a cultural hang-over from feudal times and it will take time for them to evolve.
But the struggle lies in the conflict between building a large system (physical or virtual) that has to accommodate the masses (and the requisite considerations for the lowest common denominator and weakest links) and building a system that can encourage evolution beyond the current state and is optimized for ideal usage patterns or behaviors.
Our (US) constitution was an attempt at harmonizing that conflict and capitalizing (no pun intended) on both. When we build a good system it we are trying to harmonize similar conflicts.
Agreed, in his article he does make one good point and that is that if/when something big enough goes wrong then we may actually get end users to change their passwords from "Password1". He calls it "a cultural shift toward better, more proactive security" and I prefer to think of it as getting users to accept good security practices but the point is the same.
Thats a very good idea. I also work at a large financial institution with the same false-sense-of-security policy. A CD-based OS load would beat the pants off of a MS laptop than has an ethernet port that can, and is connected to just about any outside network.
Mod parent up +2 damn good idea..
true and I didnt mean it as a troll, more what I am saying is the framework is already there and can easily be extended to the new crime du jour. thats the danger in allowing law enforcement to do their job, often a catch 22.
In a previous life tempest emmisions were old news and shielding buildings and equipment was commonplace.
So I start a website selling nice decorative or transparent license plate borders that could shield or obfuscate and RFID signal and make $ of poor brits yearning to be free?.. I love being american;-)
But seriously, I see a need for people to start developing counter-measures for consumers. Anyone have ideas?
The phone boxes and transformers hanging on poles havent become targets yet and they have been readily available for quite a few decades.
Now of course those arent being used to track movements and issue speeding tickets but I wonder how many criminals will even pay attention to them after 5-10 years. How often do you notice the telephone boxes sitting out in plain site that you could hack/crack/vandalize?
Yeah, with the increase in hardware price/performance the performance consideration is becoming less and less of a consideration in _most_ applications. There are still environments where efficiency is of paramount concern (the combination of great speed and low resource drag). Examples I work with are real-time financial trading applications, network back-bone servers (routers firewalls, intelligent switches, etc.), mobile and embedded devices, server daemons, and network applications (packet sniffers, etc.).
For general business processing applications and most web applications, efficiency is less of a concern and cost/time-to-market/maintainability/security are bigger.
I like these benchmarks but would like to see ones that also benchmark the other characteristics of languages (such as lines of code to do a common task, number of tests that need to be performed to validate common functions, memory space, etc. etc.)
I would say yes, If you are coding just for WinTel platforms I would use MS tools and/or the Intel compiler. If you are coding only for SPARC/solaris, use their compiler.
GCC, like apache, is meant to be correct and portable first, fast second. Despite this, I wouldn't say thats its performance sucks, I would say that it is the fastest cross-platform option available. (as compared to Java the only other cross platform non-interpreted language in the test group).
Yeah, that is the simple way;-) The original script was actually just a subroutine that was called as part of a bunch of other stuff (like comparing cksums off of a known source CDROM, generating a list off diffrences, etc.). I referenced that script for the guy so he could get started developing something for himself. Better to teach someone to fish as they say..
Also do a cksum comparison with your distro's packages and whats on your filesystem.
I wrote many years ago (as did millions of other people) an ugly little perl script (that needs to be updated) to find SetUID files. Give it a try also:
http://www.jasonrexilius.com/code/find_suid.txt
You will want to add to it a recursive function or use the find command:
I think that you are missing the point of the free and open part. Despite all the ravings of a madman (as you may see him), if a subset of the community decided not to lock out proprietary software they could, if another subset decided to lock out free software except in the operating system they could, and in neither case could one person dictate how you wanted to use and implement free software.
Case in point is the diverse ecosystem of "open"-type licenses (BSD, MIT, GPL, LGPL, Apache, etc.) and their associated "flagship" applications. No particular policy or view can or will monopolize open source, unlike the having ONE company monopolize the operating system market as we have today.
The other side of that argument is that, in the long view, society rewards/punishses based on its collective ethics and value system. If companies stay focussed on _strategic_ profits then they will generally reflect the values of the market.
Of course the concept of profits and rewards, as he mentioned when addressing the supply side of free software, are not always monetary based so I think he recognizers your point as well.
Damn fine post. I think a point you make that some miss is that commodity type applications will become free where as there will still be a demand in the market to innovate. I think what this means is that the number of developers will decrease while the skill demand will rise. Free or open software will have the effect, particularly in conjunction with off-shoring, of reducing the number of jobs available to us as commodity developers. But there will still be a healthy demand for custom developers. I personally think that this is A Very Good Thing. Conflict and competition combined with a higher standards base can only benefit society as a whole.
I didnt read anything about submarine launch capabilities in the article, maybe I missed it. At any rate, Kilos arent stealthy in the contemporary naval warfare meaning of the word so I dont think it would be of great use against more advanced adversaries nor would air launch be of value in giving it legs as the platform would not be stealthy either. However, someone alreday mentioned and you described what I suspect the real motiviation is for the cruise missile. lots of launchers for debilitating first strike at an opponent that is very close, say, Pakistan?
yes that is the way things work. conflict drives growth and creativity. while for a brief period after a prolonged bout of conflict the winner derives prosperity and develops advances, inevitably, they become complacent and wallow in the status quo until a new conflict arises or they are overpowered by another. as an example, during the warring states era of china they advanced in technology, shortly after they advanced in philosophy. similar with greece, rome, and europe.
thats interesting. IBM recently did some load testing for linux, OS level stuff and it proved rather stable under pressure.
I know BSD is a great OS but I still doubt that there is that much of a gap between them.
I personally am rather fond of both OSes although I tend to run more linux than BSD. But if there were some significant difference I might consider running BSD for my servers.
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hhmm.. well some earlier posters touched on a few topics that I think are effective means of promoting change. I think it was Gandhi that said be the change you want to see in the world or something along those lines.
;-) BTW, really dont mean any of this as slamming you but just like to debate this stuff.
I for one dont own a television, threw it out 4 years ago. I use the net to find diverse information sources and use them against eachother to try and seperate fact from fiction. I show other people how to do this. I follow politics, I vote, etc. etc. I will raise kids at some point that will hopefully do the same. I encourage that behavior in my friends, family, and coworkers. At some point I intend to do more but so far this is the best I can do. I am not patting myself on the back because I obviously see that I am not doing enough. I am saying that I think there are effective ways of living that are more powerful than some lame attempt at influence that any organization (corp/media/govt) can manage.
I grew up in this society, I managed to think and be responsible for myself. To say that it is unreasonable to expect others to do the same is to simultaneously rob them of their free will and to deny that they are capable of self-governance. Its like saying, its OK that you cant think for yourself, I understand that you are only capable of doing so under rosy conditions, so when the going gets tough, us elite people will help you along. It is a problematic paradigm for anyone who wants a truly free society . It is also a far more malicious deceit as it is couched in such sweet terms. Think about what you are saying when you make the statement that people need revolution led by the free thinking || special assistance || anything else. Think about the logical, requisite, underlying assumptions in those statements. I would much rather say you are fat and lazy and have thus far made mistakes but are capable of self governance then to say you are a poor victim incapable of defending yourself from TV advertisements. But maybe I am just an idealist.
oh yeah, aside from the obvious Patriot, BraveHeart, Matrix, and others of the like? I would actually say that on the negative side as well.
multix? unix? and now NSA linux kernel patches? I think these concepts have been around for quite a while but they dont make money.
Ugh!.. I am sorry if I am going to be harsh here, and I dont mean to direct it entirely at you but...
getting our "masters" to "cede power" is exactly the type of mentality that has given up what power we have lost. By giving up our responsibility for self-governance (willingly by previous generations) and accepting the stupidity of previous generations by going along with it you create a nice us-and-them chasm with faux flames to keep the faint of heart from "retaking our liberty". This is a pile of crap!
What I am trying to figure out is do people create these conspiracy theories and the evil-all-powerful-big-brother delusions to make themselves feel better for not actually taking responsibility for governing themselves or do they subconsciously want to live in a nice comfy society where big brother controls them and this is their way of getting there?
Technology and robots are not our masters, the people employed by the big evil government were not grown in test-tubes, aliens are not dressed up in bob dole and bill clinton costumes and controlling our destinies, we are not plugged into some kind of matrix. Mostly we are a fat successful lazy insecure people that dont want to do the unglamorous work of studying issues, meeting politicians, joining groups, voting, and all the other civic duties that are required to have a free self-governing society. Hollywood doesn't make movies about people voting but lots of movies about "watering the tree of liberty with blood".
And again the symptom is convincing them how to deal with the problem where as the root cause is actually their subconscious view that everyone will sit on their lazy asses and steal from the company rather than work. I look at it as a cultural hang-over from feudal times and it will take time for them to evolve.
But the struggle lies in the conflict between building a large system (physical or virtual) that has to accommodate the masses (and the requisite considerations for the lowest common denominator and weakest links) and building a system that can encourage evolution beyond the current state and is optimized for ideal usage patterns or behaviors.
Our (US) constitution was an attempt at harmonizing that conflict and capitalizing (no pun intended) on both. When we build a good system it we are trying to harmonize similar conflicts.
woah, dude. I run OSX for my powerbook but it has some serious security holes. Stick with a tied down linux or bsd distro for servers.
I just accept the degree of risk my laptop carries and deal with it accordingly.
Agreed, in his article he does make one good point and that is that if/when something big enough goes wrong then we may actually get end users to change their passwords from "Password1". He calls it "a cultural shift toward better, more proactive security" and I prefer to think of it as getting users to accept good security practices but the point is the same.
Thats a very good idea. I also work at a large financial institution with the same false-sense-of-security policy. A CD-based OS load would beat the pants off of a MS laptop than has an ethernet port that can, and is connected to just about any outside network. Mod parent up +2 damn good idea..
true and I didnt mean it as a troll, more what I am saying is the framework is already there and can easily be extended to the new crime du jour. thats the danger in allowing law enforcement to do their job, often a catch 22.
In a previous life tempest emmisions were old news and shielding buildings and equipment was commonplace.
;-)
So I start a website selling nice decorative or transparent license plate borders that could shield or obfuscate and RFID signal and make $ of poor brits yearning to be free?.. I love being american
But seriously, I see a need for people to start developing counter-measures for consumers. Anyone have ideas?
you already do when dealing with the irish, dont you?
The phone boxes and transformers hanging on poles havent become targets yet and they have been readily available for quite a few decades.
Now of course those arent being used to track movements and issue speeding tickets but I wonder how many criminals will even pay attention to them after 5-10 years. How often do you notice the telephone boxes sitting out in plain site that you could hack/crack/vandalize?
Yeah, with the increase in hardware price/performance the performance consideration is becoming less and less of a consideration in _most_ applications. There are still environments where efficiency is of paramount concern (the combination of great speed and low resource drag). Examples I work with are real-time financial trading applications, network back-bone servers (routers firewalls, intelligent switches, etc.), mobile and embedded devices, server daemons, and network applications (packet sniffers, etc.).
For general business processing applications and most web applications, efficiency is less of a concern and cost/time-to-market/maintainability/security are bigger.
I like these benchmarks but would like to see ones that also benchmark the other characteristics of languages (such as lines of code to do a common task, number of tests that need to be performed to validate common functions, memory space, etc. etc.)
I would say yes, If you are coding just for WinTel platforms I would use MS tools and/or the Intel compiler. If you are coding only for SPARC/solaris, use their compiler.
GCC, like apache, is meant to be correct and portable first, fast second. Despite this, I wouldn't say thats its performance sucks, I would say that it is the fastest cross-platform option available. (as compared to Java the only other cross platform non-interpreted language in the test group).
It looks far more interesting than the Opteron servers I have been looking at. That with yellow dog linux and away we go..
Yeah, that is the simple way ;-) The original script was actually just a subroutine that was called as part of a bunch of other stuff (like comparing cksums off of a known source CDROM, generating a list off diffrences, etc.). I referenced that script for the guy so he could get started developing something for himself. Better to teach someone to fish as they say..
It was actually a function called as part of a larger script where after it found the SUID files it did a number of other things.
In short it isnt perl idiocy but a small part of a larger piece of logic that was just less efficient to code in bash or ksh.
So relax and get off your soap box.
Just FYI check out:
http://www.sleuthkit.org/index.php
http://ohiohtcia.org/linuxintro-1.8.1.pdf
Also do a cksum comparison with your distro's packages and whats on your filesystem.
I wrote many years ago (as did millions of other people) an ugly little perl script (that needs to be updated) to find SetUID files. Give it a try also:
http://www.jasonrexilius.com/code/find_suid.txt
You will want to add to it a recursive function or use the find command:
find / -type d -exec [theperlscript] {} \;
this is very slow obviously..
Was this how the various compromises this couple of months have occured?
I know the one where the normal user password was stolen and then they mysteriously got root. Was this it?
I think that you are missing the point of the free and open part. Despite all the ravings of a madman (as you may see him), if a subset of the community decided not to lock out proprietary software they could, if another subset decided to lock out free software except in the operating system they could, and in neither case could one person dictate how you wanted to use and implement free software.
Case in point is the diverse ecosystem of "open"-type licenses (BSD, MIT, GPL, LGPL, Apache, etc.) and their associated "flagship" applications. No particular policy or view can or will monopolize open source, unlike the having ONE company monopolize the operating system market as we have today.
The other side of that argument is that, in the long view, society rewards/punishses based on its collective ethics and value system. If companies stay focussed on _strategic_ profits then they will generally reflect the values of the market.
Of course the concept of profits and rewards, as he mentioned when addressing the supply side of free software, are not always monetary based so I think he recognizers your point as well.
Damn fine post. I think a point you make that some miss is that commodity type applications will become free where as there will still be a demand in the market to innovate. I think what this means is that the number of developers will decrease while the skill demand will rise. Free or open software will have the effect, particularly in conjunction with off-shoring, of reducing the number of jobs available to us as commodity developers. But there will still be a healthy demand for custom developers. I personally think that this is A Very Good Thing. Conflict and competition combined with a higher standards base can only benefit society as a whole.
I didnt read anything about submarine launch capabilities in the article, maybe I missed it. At any rate, Kilos arent stealthy in the contemporary naval warfare meaning of the word so I dont think it would be of great use against more advanced adversaries nor would air launch be of value in giving it legs as the platform would not be stealthy either. However, someone alreday mentioned and you described what I suspect the real motiviation is for the cruise missile. lots of launchers for debilitating first strike at an opponent that is very close, say, Pakistan?
yes that is the way things work. conflict drives growth and creativity. while for a brief period after a prolonged bout of conflict the winner derives prosperity and develops advances, inevitably, they become complacent and wallow in the status quo until a new conflict arises or they are overpowered by another. as an example, during the warring states era of china they advanced in technology, shortly after they advanced in philosophy. similar with greece, rome, and europe.
Here is the link to posting about the IBM testing paper.1 2/26/1829258&mode=thread&tid=106&tid=1 85
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/
thats interesting. IBM recently did some load testing for linux, OS level stuff and it proved rather stable under pressure.
I know BSD is a great OS but I still doubt that there is that much of a gap between them.
I personally am rather fond of both OSes although I tend to run more linux than BSD. But if there were some significant difference I might consider running BSD for my servers.