Sorry - that was a bit of sarcasm that perhaps was a little too subtle.
"I am constantly amazed to hear that people actually believe this."
You are what you do when it counts. IBM is doing something (yes - soley for their benefit) but still doing. It has the added bonus of benefiting the open source community.
"IBM is in this solely for IBM's benefit"
Every company with stockholders does, does it not?
"if they saw more financial advantage in sucking up to MS, they'd drop Linux in a hot second"
I am not so sure about this, in so far as sucking up to Microsoft in particular. IBM is out to undermine Microsoft to the point where it "appears" almost personal [from a corporate entity as a person perspective] This is only my opinion with no real facts other than my own observations - so I will concede this point to you though I feel differently than you do.
This still does not change the fact that IBM is more trustworthy as a company [paradox?] than Microsoft is in relation to this thread and article subject. IBM used to be the 800 lb gorilla. It learned from its mistakes. Regardless mindshare goes a lot further than it is given credit for. Hence the reason Microsoft still does not seem to "get it." I have noticed Window developers even making comments along the lines of "...but everybody anymore wants cross-platform solutions." My experience may be unique in this regard but I can distinctly remember a time where not only was it not done but it was never considered. Developer mindshare in this regard will kill Microsofts stranglehold on technology [at least in the software sector].
Even if it is not that will be the prevailing thought here on/. [as an example] until such time as IBM's actions show differently. Again, you are what you do when it counts.
Oddly enough I was pointing out that comparing Java's platform to a language specification that is implemented differently for each platform it runs is a better cost-benefit analysis than simply saying, "Good luck pointer jockey"
At no point did I elude to the fact that C or C++ hackers who know what they are doing don't have problems. Am I to infer that Java developers do not have problems? No - you qualified it by "Java lowers the bar somewhat" BUT my original meaning seems to be lost.
"...use C or C++. Enjoy debugging the pointers and memory leaks (that is the "slow" part I care about more)"
In the hands of a skilled C++, as well a C, developer these things are actually not the issue you made them out to be.
The better advantage here is the Java platforms ability to be dynamic at runtime without jumping through hoops as you need to with the more static nature of C or C++*.
* In relation to Java has a uniform platform to support this since it is its own platform. C and C++ have to implement them on their own based on the Arch/OS being used.
"But people happily write code that IBM later sells (or sells support for, at any rate) without seeing a penny for their efforts. Why would MS be any different?"
I'm not disagreeing with the spirit of your post. The difference however is IBM, evil turned good, contributes, supports, and plays well with the open source community.
Spending a few billion dollars on promoting open source, fighting in courts, etc. are easy enough for me to think of it as payment.
"However Linux became too much too fast for SCO to keep up and made them irrelevant. Their attack on linux can be seen as a kind of attempt to take revenge for the destruction of SCO's chance to succeed."
Agreed that I am taking you completely out of context here BUT "the destruction of SCO's chance to succeed" can be attributed solely to the fact that the CO's of the company have chosen to make millions off the short term gain of the company at the expense of the long term total destruction of the company.
I like Linux, even Linus, but lets not get carried away by giving credit to people that can over giving to people that can not.
According to the FBI affidavit, Chavet told investigators that he worked on the AltaVista source code while at the company and logged into the AltaVista system after leaving because he "was 'curious' about the evolution of the source code after his departure."
Curiosity was framed damnit! Curiosity is always framed. It's ignorance that did it.
I didn't RTFA so this probably has squat to do with anything relevant...
"It is surprising that MS is scared enough of Linux and the open-source/free software movement to be releasing some of their source code while their market share is still so ridiculously high."
Perhaps because they are losing mindshare amongst developers? This affects the long term but in a very dramatic way.
What will the slashdot community do when Microsoft fixes all of their problems? If they execute the antivirus and spyware solutions properly, It'll be a while until I look back.
For one you place too much emphasis on yourself, more directly - your subjective perspective.
Some of us do not use windows for a variety of reasons:
It simply is not the best tool for the job
They may fix their product; can they fix other things broken by lost mindshare
They are a convicted monopoly
They break standards
They do not innovate, they stifle
Long track record of saying but not doing
etc...
"You are what you do when it counts."
I could go on and on but then those are my subjective opinions. To answer your question though:
Continue on just fine. From what I can infer from your post it does not sound like you brought that much with you to begin with.
Easy to grep, modifiy, archive, and transport. And best of all no matter how long my TODO list is overdue I still have a multitude of tools I can use to process it no matter what computer device I use.
...before the Nastygram(TM) from MS's lawyer corps arrives?
Probably not long at all. My understanding is the Microsoft can port a legal offense to different platforms cheaper, faster, and more robust than any of their code base or innovative technologies.
There must be something done to level the playing field, otherwise American labor will never be able to compete with countries that have much lower standards of living and little or no workers rights.
It seems from my perspective the US Government and corporations are doing fairly well at forcing the "little people" into the same kind of living conditions that you speak. It's my subjective opinion of course and probably wrong in fact I suppose but it definitely "appears" that is were things are heading.
And for those soap opera die-hards who missed this weeks episode: No need to fret as/. typically re-runs them on the front page a few more times in the coming days.
"...Perhaps the biggest issue is that it lacks facilities for having multiple terminals visible at the same time, which is a requirement for many people (including myself)."
Umm, man screen next time. Here's a hint: C-a S Here's another just because I feel benevolent at the moment: C-a ?
Slashdot Mirror
" evil turned good"
/. [as an example] until such time as IBM's actions show differently. Again, you are what you do when it counts.
Sorry - that was a bit of sarcasm that perhaps was a little too subtle.
"I am constantly amazed to hear that people actually believe this."
You are what you do when it counts. IBM is doing something (yes - soley for their benefit) but still doing. It has the added bonus of benefiting the open source community.
"IBM is in this solely for IBM's benefit"
Every company with stockholders does, does it not?
"if they saw more financial advantage in sucking up to MS, they'd drop Linux in a hot second"
I am not so sure about this, in so far as sucking up to Microsoft in particular. IBM is out to undermine Microsoft to the point where it "appears" almost personal [from a corporate entity as a person perspective] This is only my opinion with no real facts other than my own observations - so I will concede this point to you though I feel differently than you do.
This still does not change the fact that IBM is more trustworthy as a company [paradox?] than Microsoft is in relation to this thread and article subject. IBM used to be the 800 lb gorilla. It learned from its mistakes. Regardless mindshare goes a lot further than it is given credit for. Hence the reason Microsoft still does not seem to "get it." I have noticed Window developers even making comments along the lines of "...but everybody anymore wants cross-platform solutions." My experience may be unique in this regard but I can distinctly remember a time where not only was it not done but it was never considered. Developer mindshare in this regard will kill Microsofts stranglehold on technology [at least in the software sector].
Even if it is not that will be the prevailing thought here on
"Bullshit. IME..."
Oddly enough I was pointing out that comparing Java's platform to a language specification that is implemented differently for each platform it runs is a better cost-benefit analysis than simply saying, "Good luck pointer jockey"
At no point did I elude to the fact that C or C++ hackers who know what they are doing don't have problems. Am I to infer that Java developers do not have problems? No - you qualified it by "Java lowers the bar somewhat" BUT my original meaning seems to be lost.
Bullshit indeed.
"...use C or C++. Enjoy debugging the pointers and memory leaks (that is the "slow" part I care about more)"
In the hands of a skilled C++, as well a C, developer these things are actually not the issue you made them out to be.
The better advantage here is the Java platforms ability to be dynamic at runtime without jumping through hoops as you need to with the more static nature of C or C++*.
* In relation to Java has a uniform platform to support this since it is its own platform. C and C++ have to implement them on their own based on the Arch/OS being used.
"...The first time it's going to be very slow, every time after (until the vm is killed)..."
And things like the garbage collector kick in etc.
Java is an excelent platform. It just is not the be all end all platform.
"But people happily write code that IBM later sells (or sells support for, at any rate) without seeing a penny for their efforts. Why would MS be any different?"
I'm not disagreeing with the spirit of your post. The difference however is IBM, evil turned good, contributes, supports, and plays well with the open source community.
Spending a few billion dollars on promoting open source, fighting in courts, etc. are easy enough for me to think of it as payment.
"However Linux became too much too fast for SCO to keep up and made them irrelevant. Their attack on linux can be seen as a kind of attempt to take revenge for the destruction of SCO's chance to succeed."
Agreed that I am taking you completely out of context here BUT "the destruction of SCO's chance to succeed" can be attributed solely to the fact that the CO's of the company have chosen to make millions off the short term gain of the company at the expense of the long term total destruction of the company.
I like Linux, even Linus, but lets not get carried away by giving credit to people that can over giving to people that can not.
According to the FBI affidavit, Chavet told investigators that he worked on the AltaVista source code while at the company and logged into the AltaVista system after leaving because he "was 'curious' about the evolution of the source code after his departure."
Curiosity was framed damnit! Curiosity is always framed. It's ignorance that did it.
Wow. I'm speechless and this is the only thing I could type. Great stuff people.
Now that is funny. =)
Which makes me wonder...Is this post redundant?
I didn't RTFA so this probably has squat to do with anything relevant...
"It is surprising that MS is scared enough of Linux and the open-source/free software movement to be releasing some of their source code while their market share is still so ridiculously high."
Perhaps because they are losing mindshare amongst developers? This affects the long term but in a very dramatic way.
For one you place too much emphasis on yourself, more directly - your subjective perspective.
Some of us do not use windows for a variety of reasons:
It simply is not the best tool for the job
They may fix their product; can they fix other things broken by lost mindshare
They are a convicted monopoly
They break standards
They do not innovate, they stifle
Long track record of saying but not doing
etc...
"You are what you do when it counts."
I could go on and on but then those are my subjective opinions. To answer your question though:
Continue on just fine. From what I can infer from your post it does not sound like you brought that much with you to begin with.
Heh - well damn it. Guess that renders me pretty silly looking as well. Honest typo...
W !
Preview!....Preview!...PRE-E-E-E-E-V-I-E-W-W-W-
Since the mispelling of Kahn you are justified in your posting anonymously.
May you be forever banished to the harsh world of Ceti Alpha V if you are ever found.
*sigh* - only because the wife watches this movie so much that I know this...
(Maybe I can join you?)
And not to mention the vendor lock-in.
Some of the EULA's you have conform to as well, I mean sheesh...
in plain text ASCII format.
Easy to grep, modifiy, archive, and transport.
And best of all no matter how long my TODO list is overdue I still have a multitude of tools I can use to process it no matter what computer device I use.
...before the Nastygram(TM) from MS's lawyer corps arrives?
Probably not long at all. My understanding is the Microsoft can port a legal offense to different platforms cheaper, faster, and more robust than any of their code base or innovative technologies.
There seems to be a big hole in your analogy.
Hence the saying, "Proof by analogy is fraud"
There must be something done to level the playing field, otherwise American labor will never be able to compete with countries that have much lower standards of living and little or no workers rights.
It seems from my perspective the US Government and corporations are doing fairly well at forcing the "little people" into the same kind of living conditions that you speak. It's my subjective opinion of course and probably wrong in fact I suppose but it definitely "appears" that is were things are heading.
How does it end? Tune in next week!
/. typically re-runs them on the front page a few more times in the coming days.
And for those soap opera die-hards who missed this weeks episode: No need to fret as
"...and playing games besides nethack!"
Naw, I didn't care for all the graphical bloat.*
*Moderator hint: think joke
"...Perhaps the biggest issue is that it lacks facilities for having multiple terminals visible at the same time, which is a requirement for many people (including myself)."
Umm, man screen next time.
Here's a hint: C-a S
Here's another just because I feel benevolent at the moment: C-a ?
BTW, Slack "just works"
Yes - let's use technological fixes for socioligical problems.
To surmise I think you made my point for me...
ssh -X somehost
As informing as this is (sarcasm)
It is really weird to see someone who claims to represent a class of people who administer systems
So to redirect this, running X on a server seriously makes me question if you know what you are really doing.
ssh - screen - vi: really the only necessary tools, and two of them are optional...
or get his hands on cheap viagra.
hmm,
onu!
bah!
v'ir nyernql penpxrq vg!
i've already cracked it!
Yes, I can see how this managed to get
onu! (Score:0, Troll)
SUMMARY: g?G == troll; shouldn't be a vim user