Linux is an alternative, desktop OS. Macintosh OS is an alternative, desktop OS. People like UNIX, want a desktop OS, choose between OS-X and Linux. I'm not saying this is the way it is...but maybe the Mac guys look at it this way. Apple won't make linux quicktime because linux is direct competition?
Who needs a fan when you can buy a new Imac from apple thats so quiet and flow-efficent ya dunt even need a stinking loud fan or a quiter one!! and u can run linux on these macs!
This postsoon to be modded down by humorless people......
Then there are the people who enjoy the sounds of 8-10 fans pushing air around...I personally think that a computer that makes noise like a real machine is cooler - but then i'm a geek and i build computers for a hobby. someone who thinks of their computer as merely a tool probably sees things a bit differently than i do.
Although, even though these fans are quieter, i would still prefer them to my current ones (because they gotta be cool - new tech, more volume of air outweighs lesser volume).
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Wasn't that the "caterpillar," the "magneto-hydrodynamic drive" in the movie, Red October? Or am i dead wrong?
PS - you know you've been coding in vi wayyyy too long into the night when you hit 'i' to try to write a comment in mozilla for slashdot, and then you realize your mistake, hit excape, left a bit, and then x to erase the i's you entered. *sigh* : )
"...most used piece of freeware on my windows machine (IE doesn't count...I only use it because of the google toolbar.)"
That, and IE isn't freeware - contrary to popular belief, you paid for it when you paid for your O.S. Microsoft didn't make it for nothing, and where do you think their money came from?
It's just a thought.
Oh yeah, and download mozilla and then go here and then download this. Click on it in mozilla and it will install their plugin for you. Then, don't use IE, and smile.
*kudos* to the guy who posted this before me, and definately to the Mozilla programmers who wrote it, i just installed their pseudo-toolbar and it is definately cool.
Mandrake pays programmers to develop this GNU you are talking about. so unless you want to code your GNU/Linux apps, and update them, and patch them, yourself, by hand - don't talk about what a waste paying money to Mandrake is. You are paying for the future.
Why would anyone want to support a company that uses a flawed business model of "selling" free software and for some reason expects to turn a profit?
Me: Why would anyone support a company that will continue charging them hundreds of dollars for a virus-prone mass of spyware?
I use mandrake, I like it. I won't buy another windows product again, as far as i can see - 98 is good enough for me, and Mandrake, the distro, is good to me. It fills my needs. it's worth money.
Sure, I could spend the million hours to put together a distribution, iron out the bugs, and develop even more software and support OSS authors as mandrake does. But then, that would be retarded, a waste of my time, and I sure don't have the money to do it. Mandrakesoft does good things, they fill a need - and I am probably going to pay for 8.2, in some way. Go annoy someone else, alowiches.
-Yes, I know he's a troll. I just felt the need to say a peice.
Has anyone thought that maybe AOL pays money(?!?) to Microsoft for using their browser??? And that, since we all pretty much agree that the Moz is shaping up quite nicely - and without a doubt AOL certainly has a right to use it - that perhaps money might be the reason for the switch???
I write my own homepage. it has links to here, tom's, my ftp, my web site, my free spam collector, comics, and satire. I realized i didn't want to connect to the internet everytime i want to open up mozilla. so i wrote myself some html, and now my homepage is fast and i can go the places I need to in one link. I'm thinking of adding some weather and some news...
Speaking of which, currently i'm trying to scrape together some old pentium parts to get a working PC. so far i've got an AST Premmia GX P90, 128MB of ram crammed on there, a scsi 1gb hard drive, win95 for now, I want to play old games on it. But i'm having trouble with the LAN drivers onboard, and..of course...with win95 : ). I love old computers...
The whole point of Open Source is to be free. If they want to commercialize SlashDot and make it a pay system, then thye should get rid of the OSDN label and get rid of the.ORG domain name.
i suspect that they aren't trying to cash in on piles of money, but are instead merely trying to stay running...ever wonder why the slashdot effect rarely/never hits slashdot, even with all the DoS'ers? it's because they pay for a lot of bandwidth & servers.
That's a very good point, and one i hadn't thought of. In a way, you don't have a choice but to accept MS for certain things. They have leveraged theirselves into that position. But have they only painted themselves into a corner? One where they are desktop computing...people have no choice so a MS mistake is a computing mistake?
why should a commercial software creator be any more liable than an OSS one???
1. because the source is available. They can find bugs, suggest patches, and change the code. (lesser)
2. Because in all likelyhood, the OSS guy DIDN'T MAKE ANY MONEY.
Now, I know some guys get paid for the open source work they do. good for them. But making them pay is like making joe MS employee pay for nimda. don't take it out on one guy, take it out on the company you bought program X from. That idea leads to the sorry fact that EULA's eliminate liability. they are in ways a legally binding contract - you clickthru, you may end up paying the price.
Unfortunately for the crowd that wants MS to "pay" for nimda, it really wasn't all their fault. A patch was available. Sure it was their buggy program. But what's the solution, ignore the EULA's? The same law applies to Redhat, BSD, and SuSE, folks - they'd have to pay for holes just the same. It's hard to make exploitless code - some would argue it's impossible. I don't think this is a really good idea - a simpler EULA might be a good idea, and some liability can't hurt - but only up to the cost of the software and in cases where it was entirely the software's fault and a patch _was_not_ available. it's an idea, correct me if I missed something guys, it's late ya know.
I think this is funny. It's a sarcastic declaration, and obviously not serious. Even if it was serious, modding the troll up only makes him look retarded and be a frustrated troll, that isn't all bad is it?
There will always be a need for more computing power. I can say this because people have always been wrong before when they said we've hit the limit of our needs. it's like saying there's enough cool things to do with a computer now. Sure...it sounds like it might be true...but wait until tomorrow or next year or 10 years down the road to see what is new in CompSci, what cool things can be done. No one average person didn't imagine email or IM 30 years ago. Think where tech will be 30 years from now.
Trust me...give a programmer the computing power to do something, and he'll do it. We haven't run out of ideas to implement yet, have we?
The hammer line can handle 32-bit apps, even OS's I imagine. The problem with the itanic is that it doesn't. So, AMD is hoping people will see:
Hammer = I can run all my old apps+advantages of 64bit computing (if I have the OS for it)
Itanium = only Itamium apps. this sucks.
Having the Hammer means you probably can still run win98...though why you'd want to anymore is another issue. I do agree with your conclusion about linux though - souce code makes it greatly portable. having the source code + gcc means you can instantly port old x86 apps to x86-64...unless my thinking is wrong. corrections anyone?
I sometimes keep my case open and once in a while i'll touch-test my T-bird 1200 and Slot Athlon 500 (from back in the day) to see if my temp monitor is lying to me. they aren't too hot...really...I don't get burned or anything. Well, unless i leave the fan off but Tom told us that already.
Can you imagine the outrage people would have here on Slashdot if they waited until everyone was using it and THEN started charging? Few use it now. it doesn't affect many people. But if every geek here was, and they then wanted to start charging, wouldn't that cause just a bit more of an uproar then changing now when no one cares?
I have seen business analyses of StarOffice. It was rejected because they figured that since it was not a money-maker, Sun would drop it as soon as Sun ran into financial trouble. I understand people not liking the change, but I think they are wrong: step back and think. Would you pay a small sum ($50 probably) for a good office program that ran on linux, windows, and solaris, tell your friends about it, and add one more brick in the Linux wall against MS? Office is 75% of hte reason a lot of people run windows. This, in my opinion, can only be a good thing - provided Sun doesn't charge $300.
*reads best buy ad* Hmm...what's this? AMD chips in all kinds of computers? and not just eMachines? Hmmm...this is good.
*Reads about AMD's Hammers - x86-64...* Hmmm...well...this is interesting too. I don't think that AMD is only "following in intel's footsteps." I doubt Intel has it THAT locked up...
I doubt that the Itanium architecture will surpass IA32/x86 on the desktop (where 4GB is enough for everyone;-) anytime soon.
I'm not sure if you are serious or not, but this is something i've been thinking about and others have probably said. 2 years ago, i thought 160 MB of pc100 ram was a tremendous amount. Now, I think 1 GB is a good chunk. in 2 years...we just hit the limit. uhoh. what now?
" Why does slashdot post a story every time Tom has a new article? Agreed some of the reviews are really well done but it seems like 2/3 of tom's articles get posted on slashdot."
Probably because we all argue and yell at tom and each other. discussion is good...then again, any article comparing any two products is heavily debated, from distro's to text editors. I guess tom must be special.
1. how many copies of XP has been sold, full of passport popups?
2. How many IE's are there with the default home page pointing squarely at advertisements (.NET Passport) for catavault's opponent?
This sort of thing is ruled by momentum. if 10 million people have a passport only because of MS's XP and adverts on msn.com, is this fair to catavault?
total agreement - this deserves to be heard. Well written, namespan. Too many people think that MS is neccessary to computing. Too few people realize that a smaller, more competetive MS leads to a much better computing experience, for all. Let me see some hands: who here thinks that, all things fair and equal, windows OS's + IE + Outlook + IIS + other MS apps are all we want, ever - or are even the best available? How many hands for trusting their personal data to Passport? thought so... : )
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Linux is an alternative, desktop OS. Macintosh OS is an alternative, desktop OS. People like UNIX, want a desktop OS, choose between OS-X and Linux. I'm not saying this is the way it is...but maybe the Mac guys look at it this way. Apple won't make linux quicktime because linux is direct competition?
Who needs a fan when you can buy a new Imac from apple thats so quiet and flow-efficent ya dunt even need a stinking loud fan or a quiter one!! and u can run linux on these macs!
This postsoon to be modded down by humorless people......
That, or perhaps the spelling nazi... : )
Then there are the people who enjoy the sounds of 8-10 fans pushing air around...I personally think that a computer that makes noise like a real machine is cooler - but then i'm a geek and i build computers for a hobby. someone who thinks of their computer as merely a tool probably sees things a bit differently than i do.
Although, even though these fans are quieter, i would still prefer them to my current ones (because they gotta be cool - new tech, more volume of air outweighs lesser volume).
Wasn't that the "caterpillar," the "magneto-hydrodynamic drive" in the movie, Red October? Or am i dead wrong?
PS - you know you've been coding in vi wayyyy too long into the night when you hit 'i' to try to write a comment in mozilla for slashdot, and then you realize your mistake, hit excape, left a bit, and then x to erase the i's you entered. *sigh* : )
"...most used piece of freeware on my windows machine (IE doesn't count...I only use it because of the google toolbar.)"
That, and IE isn't freeware - contrary to popular belief, you paid for it when you paid for your O.S. Microsoft didn't make it for nothing, and where do you think their money came from?
It's just a thought.
Oh yeah, and download mozilla and then go here and then download this. Click on it in mozilla and it will install their plugin for you. Then, don't use IE, and smile.
*kudos* to the guy who posted this before me, and definately to the Mozilla programmers who wrote it, i just installed their pseudo-toolbar and it is definately cool.
See the subject. reply if you want.
Mandrake pays programmers to develop this GNU you are talking about. so unless you want to code your GNU/Linux apps, and update them, and patch them, yourself, by hand - don't talk about what a waste paying money to Mandrake is. You are paying for the future.
Why would anyone want to support a company that uses a flawed business model of "selling" free software and for some reason expects to turn a profit?
Me: Why would anyone support a company that will continue charging them hundreds of dollars for a virus-prone mass of spyware?
I use mandrake, I like it. I won't buy another windows product again, as far as i can see - 98 is good enough for me, and Mandrake, the distro, is good to me. It fills my needs. it's worth money.
Sure, I could spend the million hours to put together a distribution, iron out the bugs, and develop even more software and support OSS authors as mandrake does. But then, that would be retarded, a waste of my time, and I sure don't have the money to do it. Mandrakesoft does good things, they fill a need - and I am probably going to pay for 8.2, in some way. Go annoy someone else, alowiches.
-Yes, I know he's a troll. I just felt the need to say a peice.
Has anyone thought that maybe AOL pays money(?!?) to Microsoft for using their browser??? And that, since we all pretty much agree that the Moz is shaping up quite nicely - and without a doubt AOL certainly has a right to use it - that perhaps money might be the reason for the switch???
I write my own homepage. it has links to here, tom's, my ftp, my web site, my free spam collector, comics, and satire. I realized i didn't want to connect to the internet everytime i want to open up mozilla. so i wrote myself some html, and now my homepage is fast and i can go the places I need to in one link. I'm thinking of adding some weather and some news...
Speaking of which, currently i'm trying to scrape together some old pentium parts to get a working PC. so far i've got an AST Premmia GX P90, 128MB of ram crammed on there, a scsi 1gb hard drive, win95 for now, I want to play old games on it. But i'm having trouble with the LAN drivers onboard, and..of course...with win95 : ). I love old computers...
The whole point of Open Source is to be free. If they want to commercialize SlashDot and make it a pay system, then thye should get rid of the OSDN label and get rid of the .ORG domain name.
i suspect that they aren't trying to cash in on piles of money, but are instead merely trying to stay running...ever wonder why the slashdot effect rarely/never hits slashdot, even with all the DoS'ers? it's because they pay for a lot of bandwidth & servers.
That's a very good point, and one i hadn't thought of. In a way, you don't have a choice but to accept MS for certain things. They have leveraged theirselves into that position. But have they only painted themselves into a corner? One where they are desktop computing...people have no choice so a MS mistake is a computing mistake?
...an interesting question...
why should a commercial software creator be any more liable than an OSS one???
1. because the source is available. They can find bugs, suggest patches, and change the code. (lesser)
2. Because in all likelyhood, the OSS guy DIDN'T MAKE ANY MONEY.
Now, I know some guys get paid for the open source work they do. good for them. But making them pay is like making joe MS employee pay for nimda. don't take it out on one guy, take it out on the company you bought program X from. That idea leads to the sorry fact that EULA's eliminate liability. they are in ways a legally binding contract - you clickthru, you may end up paying the price.
Unfortunately for the crowd that wants MS to "pay" for nimda, it really wasn't all their fault. A patch was available. Sure it was their buggy program. But what's the solution, ignore the EULA's? The same law applies to Redhat, BSD, and SuSE, folks - they'd have to pay for holes just the same. It's hard to make exploitless code - some would argue it's impossible. I don't think this is a really good idea - a simpler EULA might be a good idea, and some liability can't hurt - but only up to the cost of the software and in cases where it was entirely the software's fault and a patch _was_not_ available. it's an idea, correct me if I missed something guys, it's late ya know.
I think this is funny. It's a sarcastic declaration, and obviously not serious. Even if it was serious, modding the troll up only makes him look retarded and be a frustrated troll, that isn't all bad is it?
There will always be a need for more computing power. I can say this because people have always been wrong before when they said we've hit the limit of our needs. it's like saying there's enough cool things to do with a computer now. Sure...it sounds like it might be true...but wait until tomorrow or next year or 10 years down the road to see what is new in CompSci, what cool things can be done. No one average person didn't imagine email or IM 30 years ago. Think where tech will be 30 years from now.
Trust me...give a programmer the computing power to do something, and he'll do it. We haven't run out of ideas to implement yet, have we?
The hammer line can handle 32-bit apps, even OS's I imagine. The problem with the itanic is that it doesn't. So, AMD is hoping people will see:
Hammer = I can run all my old apps+advantages of 64bit computing (if I have the OS for it)
Itanium = only Itamium apps. this sucks.
Having the Hammer means you probably can still run win98...though why you'd want to anymore is another issue. I do agree with your conclusion about linux though - souce code makes it greatly portable. having the source code + gcc means you can instantly port old x86 apps to x86-64...unless my thinking is wrong. corrections anyone?
I sometimes keep my case open and once in a while i'll touch-test my T-bird 1200 and Slot Athlon 500 (from back in the day) to see if my temp monitor is lying to me. they aren't too hot...really...I don't get burned or anything. Well, unless i leave the fan off but Tom told us that already.
Can you imagine the outrage people would have here on Slashdot if they waited until everyone was using it and THEN started charging? Few use it now. it doesn't affect many people. But if every geek here was, and they then wanted to start charging, wouldn't that cause just a bit more of an uproar then changing now when no one cares?
I have seen business analyses of StarOffice. It was rejected because they figured that since it was not a money-maker, Sun would drop it as soon as Sun ran into financial trouble. I understand people not liking the change, but I think they are wrong: step back and think. Would you pay a small sum ($50 probably) for a good office program that ran on linux, windows, and solaris, tell your friends about it, and add one more brick in the Linux wall against MS? Office is 75% of hte reason a lot of people run windows. This, in my opinion, can only be a good thing - provided Sun doesn't charge $300.
*reads best buy ad*
Hmm...what's this? AMD chips in all kinds of computers? and not just eMachines? Hmmm...this is good.
*Reads about AMD's Hammers - x86-64...*
Hmmm...well...this is interesting too. I don't think that AMD is only "following in intel's footsteps." I doubt Intel has it THAT locked up...
I doubt that the Itanium architecture will surpass IA32/x86 on the desktop (where 4GB is enough for everyone ;-) anytime soon.
I'm not sure if you are serious or not, but this is something i've been thinking about and others have probably said. 2 years ago, i thought 160 MB of pc100 ram was a tremendous amount. Now, I think 1 GB is a good chunk. in 2 years...we just hit the limit. uhoh. what now?
Speculation: Intel gets Hammered in the second half of this year.
Note to self: remember quote, and read AMD's whitepapers and documentation when i'm done with my CSE project tonight...
I'm new, i know, i'm learning architecture as a sophomore so this stuff is fun to me...
" Why does slashdot post a story every time Tom has a new article? Agreed some of the reviews are really well done but it seems like 2/3 of tom's articles get posted on slashdot."
Probably because we all argue and yell at tom and each other. discussion is good...then again, any article comparing any two products is heavily debated, from distro's to text editors. I guess tom must be special.
1. how many copies of XP has been sold, full of passport popups?
2. How many IE's are there with the default home page pointing squarely at advertisements (.NET Passport) for catavault's opponent?
This sort of thing is ruled by momentum. if 10 million people have a passport only because of MS's XP and adverts on msn.com, is this fair to catavault?
total agreement - this deserves to be heard. Well written, namespan. Too many people think that MS is neccessary to computing. Too few people realize that a smaller, more competetive MS leads to a much better computing experience, for all. Let me see some hands: who here thinks that, all things fair and equal, windows OS's + IE + Outlook + IIS + other MS apps are all we want, ever - or are even the best available? How many hands for trusting their personal data to Passport? thought so... : )