Actually, I like MS hardware lots better than Logitechs, which I've had nothing but trouble with.
Although, I know that was *last* generation and people seems very happy with the MX series, Logitech forever burned all chances with me with their crappy mice and keyboards that lost contact with the computer and generally misbehaved.
I'm on my second MS mouse now (After I "accidently" broke the old one playing CS) and these things are just Great.
Only when seen from the other side... oh wait, you are over there. No, that is my left, not yours!;-)
But what do you expect from a country that every four years chooses between two extreme right wing politicians, only difference being their abortion stance this year... oh, and maybe what they think about capital punishment.
I shudder to think of the shock an American would get when faced with any of the democracies in Europe. By their standards (and knowledge), most of them are probably miles left of Lenin, Marx and Mao. If they knew who those were, that is.
The DoD would have the money to make it work alright - especially if they happened to build too far to be able to back up easily.
Apple's own applestore runs on WO, and it gave the classic WO error "No instance available" upon like every fifth request until they added a whole server room just to drive the store.
Yes, I've seen some sites doing ok with WO, it is possible if you bypass some of the core functionality, and especially if you stick to Direct Actions. But then, you are not using WO, you are writing CGI scripts, more or less. Which is fine. But doing CGI scripts right away will be lots more effective, and probably work with less hassle.
Also, there are a few *really expensive* consultants in the business that have written their own WO adapter (the part that talks to the web server) and lots of other custom software. When these guys gets called in, things start to work. They get things to work by replacing a lot of broken WO stuff with their own, that actually does work. I'm pretty sure one of those were involved in DoD and other similar projects. Almost noone deploys a big project without contacting any of those... at least, noone that survives.
But they cost, and they cost lots.
All in all, WO is too heavy and too big to be used for small sites, while it can't effectively handle medium to big.
I've also heard tons of people saying good stuff about WO. All of them Mac zealots, to whom it doesn't matter what reality is, as long as it is Apple. Apple does a lot of good stuff too, but some people will swear by dog shit as the finest cuisine if there is an Apple stamped on it.
Not trying to bash Apple or anything here, just trying to be a nice guy and save you a LOT of pain... and I should know, being in the receiving end of that pain. I think omnigroup.com still hosts the WO lists that matter - just go there, read a little. You'll have the usual fanatics thinking everything is the greatest (ask them what they actually built if you want to have some fun), but you'll also see lots of "negative feedback" to put it nicely.
And above all, do as you wish. Just don't ever say you weren't warned. That is all.
Or, since I use DC++ and wouldn't touch Kazaa, I'd just set it to search audio files. Now, your band better be good after I waste my bandwidth on you.;-)
some pretty powerful, yet inexpensive software like Web Objects
Whoooaaaa there, boy! Whatever, and I do mean whatever you choose as your platform, let it be.NET, Befunge och Commodore 64 BASIC - just don't let it be WebObjects. It is one of the crappiest systems in the business and will only drive you mad and poor.
Not because the idea as such isn't a good one. The philosophy behind WO is really nice (basically, imitate an application even when developing), after all, it was the NeXt guys that came up with it, so that is to be expected.
It is reasonably effective to develop in, that is also true. No worse than any other java platform at least.
But. Big buts:
It is very buggy - and always waaay deep down in the frameworks, so it will bite you a month after you wrote the code, or after you've deployed it. The basic stuff works, but there are sooo many edge cases that suddenly break.
It is very slow - all those layers of abstractions - and they are MANY - slows the applications down by a LOT, and often unnecessarily. Pull a simple list from a database should be an easy and fast task. 80 objects and 200 SQL queries later with EOF... 10 lines of code and 1 SQL query with some other system. And it gets exponentially worse.
It doesn't scale. At all. Concurrency is a joke, or at worst it is a bluff. WO has no real concurrency, because the worker threads does not work with the whole response, just the delivery. So you are basically stuck with 1 request at the time, per machine. Wooohooo. It is possible to make these threads do a bit more work, but then thread safety in EOF and WO libraries are no more. You will have to handle ALL thread safety and locking yourself.
There are tons of other problems, but those are the most important. It doesn't matter that it is somewhat inexpensive (I don't really aggree.. the hardware required for *anything* becomes very expensive quickly, esp. since it wants Macs) when it simply doesn't work.
Just check out the mailing lists. Don't listen to what Apple says, listen to what the people using it are saying. You will quickly find that just about nothing works when you go beyond the test-it-out apps.
Word of warning dude. This product ran a company I used to work for into the ground. Hard. And Apple just ignored us, even though we paid for support!
Just wondering, because everytime I try it, all I get is that frontpage. Never managed to actually complete a search of any kind - timeouts or never returns. Feeling an itch to blame it in the server software...;-)
So, anybody actually got it to work - because I see many people reaping easy karma with that link around slashdot. Would be really fun if it was a hoax.:D
If the concept is sound, can someone please provide the guy with a real server? Or preferrably, copy the concept without ASP.
When you follow that link, make sure you check out "Swedish alternative rock act Machinae Supremacy".:)
Irate is a real nice concept and fun to use, but I'm getting really sick of the buggy player and the stupid, slow interface. I'm almost thinking to start hacking on it myself, but that'd mean going back to doing Java... I wish he would have chosen something a bit more suitable and effective. Though, if I get the time, maybe I'll do something compatible in one of those (putting my money where my mouth is and all that...;-)
The comparison was, as many already ponted out between.NET and J2EE, and then we have this quote from the article:
Forrester said that the main difference in cost was not due to price of the basic software, but rather the price of developing the software, including labor costs.
I don't know much about.NET development, but that J2EE is expensive is without a doubt. Long time to develop, and all those licensed experts that costs a ton. I wouldn't be surprised if MS has better tools too - for those that are used to them. Hate em myself.
So, that choosing.NET might hinder you from piss away as much money as J2EE would, the real question is why anybody would use either? Why don't use something that works, is fast to develop and run, and doesn't need certified "experts" to do a great job? There are plenty of such tools oy there.
J2EE, a development platform backed by Sun Microsystems Inc. favored by the Linux community.
Says who?
If they mean favored over.NET, then well duh. I wish I could get money for telling people the obvious.
OTOH, maybe Mono and DotGNU can change that - if it is good enough, there isn't much reason to not choose the better proprietry platform apart from kneejerk anti-MS. But that is just between those two - I sincerely hope that none of those are actually going to be the favored one.
That FAQ question tells you that they don't sell Tivo any place other than USA and UK. Just because they have a poor choice of title doesn't mean I'm automatically Canadian.;-)
That FAQ question tells you that they don't sell Tivo any place other than USA and UK. Too bad for the Canadians, but between the Nokia thing and the Nokia thing, a lot more people get this kind of technology - and for the most part, they aren't even in competeition.
Bah. Nokia was a tire (yes, those rubber thingys that goes on car wheels) company from the beginning. Their willing to expand into new markets and doing reasonably well is what has made it a succesful company. This is a much shorter leap.
You know, in the beginning software usually was open and free, then it became closed and proprietry - exactly the thing that got Stallman into a rage and ultimately produced the FSF, the GPL and tons of GNU software etc.
Still, it was a nice thing of him to do - but I bet you dollars to doughnuts he didn't give it away because he had some ideals about freedom - I'm pretty sure, he like every other hacker in the 70's and 80's just wanted to show the others the cool stuff he had made. I know that is how I would have thought back then, almost noone cared about any licenses or anything then - it was all showing off, and lots of stuff went into public domain.
If it had been an idealistic thing already then, you would have seen a whole nother company later, I'm sure.
No, it is the effect of thousands of/. users trying to copy the text to get some cheap karma. If it wasn't for these people having the illusion that anyone actually wants to read up on what they are about to comment, the slashdot effect would not exist.;-)
Why yes it is, in the same way as your browser is "horribly insecure" when you login to slashdot.
It sends the data unencrypted, that is all. Granted, your server is probably more important than your/. account, but that was a really strange way of putting it.
If you never would use telnet for anything, then you'd never surf without https either.;-)
I still recommend you install the full (but inofficial) Google Bar to get the most out of Firebird + Google. It is nice to have a built-in like they have, but the full thing does so much more.:)
Blaming the gun is as bad as blaming the video game.
Yeah, because both were built and designed to entertain, right?
God damn, that is so stupid. Guns have one single purpose, to kill something. Not that this is always a bad thing, it is useful for hunting, for instance.
That doesn't mean that kids should run around with them just like that, nor should adults. Guns should only be used by people that can fucking prove they are sane and has a responsible attitude towards them.
Giving a kid access to a gun, besides outside a shooting range under supervision, is fucking insane. Then again, "fucking insane" pretty much sums up most things in that country. Ya ever think they are gonna realize it isn't 1890 anymore and the saloon is closed?
Simply because in most countries, most people don't have guns at home - or at all. It is not illegal, but it is very uncommon. And guess what? Lots of less people per capita gets shot.
"If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns" - or what is that saying? Well, that is fine by me. Then you can bust anybody running around with a gun and get the problem out of the way. Seriously, how many lifes have the right to bear arms saved? How many has it cost? This system is what keeps deaths down in oh so many countries.
In my country, you are allowed to have guns. You have to pass some rigorous tests for it, and get a real license - just like to you have to pass tests to drive a car. To get any gun not suitable for hunting, you have to be a member of a shooting club, and you have to have been a member for quite some time. Also, nowadays, this permit is reevaluated every few years.
Responsible, test passing people are way more likely to keep their guns safely, and disassembled like they should do. You almost never hear about any incidents over here. Almost, of course, because nothing is idiot proof. But almost never. Wouldn't that be nice?
I'm gonna get soooo jumped for this, I guess, but I honestly, seriously do not get it. What the hell do you need those guns for? And if you really like to fire a weapon, how come a shooting club isn't good enough? And if you are a serious, law abiding, responsible gun user, how the hell can stricter rules on who gets to own a gun be a bad thing? You should applaud it, and if you are all of the above, you should pass any test easily.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. True. But why give them such an easy way to do it?
Why is this stupid piece of lethal metal so fucking important to you people?
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Actually, I like MS hardware lots better than Logitechs, which I've had nothing but trouble with.
Although, I know that was *last* generation and people seems very happy with the MX series, Logitech forever burned all chances with me with their crappy mice and keyboards that lost contact with the computer and generally misbehaved.
I'm on my second MS mouse now (After I "accidently" broke the old one playing CS) and these things are just Great.
You sound like just about any American.
The rest of the world operates on another scale of left/right, but that is another story...
(ie, being miles left of center)
;-)
Only when seen from the other side... oh wait, you are over there. No, that is my left, not yours!
But what do you expect from a country that every four years chooses between two extreme right wing politicians, only difference being their abortion stance this year... oh, and maybe what they think about capital punishment.
I shudder to think of the shock an American would get when faced with any of the democracies in Europe. By their standards (and knowledge), most of them are probably miles left of Lenin, Marx and Mao. If they knew who those were, that is.
The DoD would have the money to make it work alright - especially if they happened to build too far to be able to back up easily.
Apple's own applestore runs on WO, and it gave the classic WO error "No instance available" upon like every fifth request until they added a whole server room just to drive the store.
Yes, I've seen some sites doing ok with WO, it is possible if you bypass some of the core functionality, and especially if you stick to Direct Actions. But then, you are not using WO, you are writing CGI scripts, more or less. Which is fine. But doing CGI scripts right away will be lots more effective, and probably work with less hassle.
Also, there are a few *really expensive* consultants in the business that have written their own WO adapter (the part that talks to the web server) and lots of other custom software. When these guys gets called in, things start to work. They get things to work by replacing a lot of broken WO stuff with their own, that actually does work. I'm pretty sure one of those were involved in DoD and other similar projects. Almost noone deploys a big project without contacting any of those... at least, noone that survives.
But they cost, and they cost lots.
All in all, WO is too heavy and too big to be used for small sites, while it can't effectively handle medium to big.
I've also heard tons of people saying good stuff about WO. All of them Mac zealots, to whom it doesn't matter what reality is, as long as it is Apple. Apple does a lot of good stuff too, but some people will swear by dog shit as the finest cuisine if there is an Apple stamped on it.
Not trying to bash Apple or anything here, just trying to be a nice guy and save you a LOT of pain... and I should know, being in the receiving end of that pain. I think omnigroup.com still hosts the WO lists that matter - just go there, read a little. You'll have the usual fanatics thinking everything is the greatest (ask them what they actually built if you want to have some fun), but you'll also see lots of "negative feedback" to put it nicely.
And above all, do as you wish. Just don't ever say you weren't warned. That is all.
"Jenna Jameson mp3"?
;-)
Or, since I use DC++ and wouldn't touch Kazaa, I'd just set it to search audio files. Now, your band better be good after I waste my bandwidth on you.
some pretty powerful, yet inexpensive software like Web Objects
.NET, Befunge och Commodore 64 BASIC - just don't let it be WebObjects. It is one of the crappiest systems in the business and will only drive you mad and poor.
Whoooaaaa there, boy! Whatever, and I do mean whatever you choose as your platform, let it be
Not because the idea as such isn't a good one. The philosophy behind WO is really nice (basically, imitate an application even when developing), after all, it was the NeXt guys that came up with it, so that is to be expected.
It is reasonably effective to develop in, that is also true. No worse than any other java platform at least.
But. Big buts:
It is very buggy - and always waaay deep down in the frameworks, so it will bite you a month after you wrote the code, or after you've deployed it. The basic stuff works, but there are sooo many edge cases that suddenly break.
It is very slow - all those layers of abstractions - and they are MANY - slows the applications down by a LOT, and often unnecessarily. Pull a simple list from a database should be an easy and fast task. 80 objects and 200 SQL queries later with EOF... 10 lines of code and 1 SQL query with some other system. And it gets exponentially worse.
It doesn't scale. At all. Concurrency is a joke, or at worst it is a bluff. WO has no real concurrency, because the worker threads does not work with the whole response, just the delivery. So you are basically stuck with 1 request at the time, per machine. Wooohooo. It is possible to make these threads do a bit more work, but then thread safety in EOF and WO libraries are no more. You will have to handle ALL thread safety and locking yourself.
There are tons of other problems, but those are the most important. It doesn't matter that it is somewhat inexpensive (I don't really aggree.. the hardware required for *anything* becomes very expensive quickly, esp. since it wants Macs) when it simply doesn't work.
Just check out the mailing lists. Don't listen to what Apple says, listen to what the people using it are saying. You will quickly find that just about nothing works when you go beyond the test-it-out apps.
Word of warning dude. This product ran a company I used to work for into the ground. Hard. And Apple just ignored us, even though we paid for support!
Just wondering, because everytime I try it, all I get is that frontpage. Never managed to actually complete a search of any kind - timeouts or never returns. Feeling an itch to blame it in the server software... ;-)
:D
So, anybody actually got it to work - because I see many people reaping easy karma with that link around slashdot. Would be really fun if it was a hoax.
If the concept is sound, can someone please provide the guy with a real server? Or preferrably, copy the concept without ASP.
When you follow that link, make sure you check out "Swedish alternative rock act Machinae Supremacy". :)
;-)
Irate is a real nice concept and fun to use, but I'm getting really sick of the buggy player and the stupid, slow interface. I'm almost thinking to start hacking on it myself, but that'd mean going back to doing Java... I wish he would have chosen something a bit more suitable and effective. Though, if I get the time, maybe I'll do something compatible in one of those (putting my money where my mouth is and all that...
Joy-Pride... Joyp-ride! Get it? :)
The comparison was, as many already ponted out between .NET and J2EE, and then we have this quote from the article:
.NET development, but that J2EE is expensive is without a doubt. Long time to develop, and all those licensed experts that costs a ton. I wouldn't be surprised if MS has better tools too - for those that are used to them. Hate em myself.
.NET might hinder you from piss away as much money as J2EE would, the real question is why anybody would use either? Why don't use something that works, is fast to develop and run, and doesn't need certified "experts" to do a great job? There are plenty of such tools oy there.
Forrester said that the main difference in cost was not due to price of the basic software, but rather the price of developing the software, including labor costs.
I don't know much about
So, that choosing
J2EE, a development platform backed by Sun Microsystems Inc. favored by the Linux community.
.NET, then well duh. I wish I could get money for telling people the obvious.
Says who?
If they mean favored over
OTOH, maybe Mono and DotGNU can change that - if it is good enough, there isn't much reason to not choose the better proprietry platform apart from kneejerk anti-MS. But that is just between those two - I sincerely hope that none of those are actually going to be the favored one.
... does this mean I am about to get the Boot?
Don't tread on me, man!
I live in Europe.
;-)
That FAQ question tells you that they don't sell Tivo any place other than USA and UK. Just because they have a poor choice of title doesn't mean I'm automatically Canadian.
I live in Europe.
That FAQ question tells you that they don't sell Tivo any place other than USA and UK. Too bad for the Canadians, but between the Nokia thing and the Nokia thing, a lot more people get this kind of technology - and for the most part, they aren't even in competeition.
And here is another reason for why this might be a LOT more interesting than a Tivo.
Bah. Nokia was a tire (yes, those rubber thingys that goes on car wheels) company from the beginning. Their willing to expand into new markets and doing reasonably well is what has made it a succesful company. This is a much shorter leap.
Since you can't save anything you create anyways, who cares if you can correct mistakes? ;-)
You know, in the beginning software usually was open and free, then it became closed and proprietry - exactly the thing that got Stallman into a rage and ultimately produced the FSF, the GPL and tons of GNU software etc.
Still, it was a nice thing of him to do - but I bet you dollars to doughnuts he didn't give it away because he had some ideals about freedom - I'm pretty sure, he like every other hacker in the 70's and 80's just wanted to show the others the cool stuff he had made. I know that is how I would have thought back then, almost noone cared about any licenses or anything then - it was all showing off, and lots of stuff went into public domain.
If it had been an idealistic thing already then, you would have seen a whole nother company later, I'm sure.
Either people are actually READING the article
/. users trying to copy the text to get some cheap karma. If it wasn't for these people having the illusion that anyone actually wants to read up on what they are about to comment, the slashdot effect would not exist. ;-)
No, it is the effect of thousands of
telnet is horribly insecure
/. account, but that was a really strange way of putting it.
;-)
Why yes it is, in the same way as your browser is "horribly insecure" when you login to slashdot.
It sends the data unencrypted, that is all. Granted, your server is probably more important than your
If you never would use telnet for anything, then you'd never surf without https either.
LOL ;-)
It just had to be something like that!
Gotta wonder what those other 5% are there for...
I still recommend you install the full (but inofficial) Google Bar to get the most out of Firebird + Google. It is nice to have a built-in like they have, but the full thing does so much more. :)
Blaming the gun is as bad as blaming the video game.
Yeah, because both were built and designed to entertain, right?
God damn, that is so stupid. Guns have one single purpose, to kill something. Not that this is always a bad thing, it is useful for hunting, for instance.
That doesn't mean that kids should run around with them just like that, nor should adults. Guns should only be used by people that can fucking prove they are sane and has a responsible attitude towards them.
Giving a kid access to a gun, besides outside a shooting range under supervision, is fucking insane. Then again, "fucking insane" pretty much sums up most things in that country. Ya ever think they are gonna realize it isn't 1890 anymore and the saloon is closed?
Simply because in most countries, most people don't have guns at home - or at all. It is not illegal, but it is very uncommon. And guess what? Lots of less people per capita gets shot.
"If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns" - or what is that saying? Well, that is fine by me. Then you can bust anybody running around with a gun and get the problem out of the way. Seriously, how many lifes have the right to bear arms saved? How many has it cost? This system is what keeps deaths down in oh so many countries.
In my country, you are allowed to have guns. You have to pass some rigorous tests for it, and get a real license - just like to you have to pass tests to drive a car. To get any gun not suitable for hunting, you have to be a member of a shooting club, and you have to have been a member for quite some time. Also, nowadays, this permit is reevaluated every few years.
Responsible, test passing people are way more likely to keep their guns safely, and disassembled like they should do. You almost never hear about any incidents over here. Almost, of course, because nothing is idiot proof. But almost never. Wouldn't that be nice?
I'm gonna get soooo jumped for this, I guess, but I honestly, seriously do not get it. What the hell do you need those guns for? And if you really like to fire a weapon, how come a shooting club isn't good enough? And if you are a serious, law abiding, responsible gun user, how the hell can stricter rules on who gets to own a gun be a bad thing? You should applaud it, and if you are all of the above, you should pass any test easily.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. True. But why give them such an easy way to do it?
Why is this stupid piece of lethal metal so fucking important to you people?