...that www.aclu.org [aclu.org] has been down for a while? I don't think it's hosted in NY, and it was up all day yesterday.
Oh my god!! Do you think this could be part of some well orchestrated attack by OUR government on IT'S CITIZENS to deny us our personal liberties. Quick, quote somebody!! Before it's too late!!
Or maybe your DNS is screwed up.
Of course this is an important issue, and of course giving up freedoms for security is actually the wrong thing to do. Do you think America would ever have been attacked had we been living in a police state, deprived of all basic rights? Of course not. However corny it sounded, Bush was right when he said we were attacked because we are the beacon of freedom. And also because people in the Middle East blame our sanctions for millions of civilian deaths, especially among children.
But, at any rate, even still, we never would have been attacked. Maybe creating a population of people so enslaved that they would rather die would be the best deterent to any future terrorist attacks. That's an idea. They would only be helping us then.
Of course, Turkey must be anti-US because they are a Muslim country of nearly 70 million.
It seems the US has a history of turning friends into enemies..
It seems that Muslims have a history of bombing US targets and it's allies. Of course neither of those things are true. Some Americans (usually with an economical interest) have a history of turning friends into enemies. And of course some Muslims (with a feeling that they are being opressed by Americas economic interests) attack US targets. Like everything else in life, it's not black and white. The subtle shades of grey are the ones that will bite you in the ass.
Even though I'm an atheist myself, I know that railing against religion in general isn't a good idea. I would never force my own beliefs on someone else, since it is something that I find repulsive in certain sects of Christianity and as a result, against my own morality. I expect everyone to give me my rights to my own religion (or lack thereof) by demonstrating my own tolerance for other people's religion.
And like he says, prayer isn't restricted to any one religion -- it's common to most. Just becuase the only exposure you've had to prayer has been in a Christian setting doesn't mean that only Christians pray, or that when a Christian asks you to pray, he doesn't necessarily mean to their God.
Normally people calling themselves athiest aren't so sompassionate towards other religions.. in my experience anyway. I'm not religious at all, but it's refreshing to see and I totally agree with you. I don't worship anything, or anyone but sometimes I just say a little prayer hoping that at least having good intentions or wishes towards something or someone will make some type of positive difference. I did that Monday for everyone in America, especially those directly effected by this, and I do that now for everyone else.
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Or he could be going on his (probably) 26-27th hour without sleep and everything sort of caught up with him. I highly doubt the military would suggest a nuclear response for a conventional attack such as this. I/really/ doubt anyone, no matter how angry, would let this go that far, even SecDef Rumsfeld(sp) said that this would be a new kind of war and would not see such normal things as airstikes and troop landings.
How do you fight a war without airstrikes or troops? Oh yeah.. nuclear missiles. People calling that poster ignorant seemed like the ignorant ones. I didn't think about it last night when I watched the address, but when he mentioned it, it seemed even more like that's where he was coming from. I genuinely hope that's not true, but going by history I would say it's definitely not out of the question.
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If he decides to use a nuke, the only support he'll get from me will be full-metal jacketed, right between the eyes.
Yeah.. you know.. that was probably a bad thing to say. Especially here, especially now.
The people who are behind these kind of attacks have very twisted causes, but near total and indiscriminate annihilation of the human race thankfully isnt one of them.
I genuinely doubt they could carry it though if they wanted to. It seems like if they could have done something worse than this, they would have. Killing however many thousands of people that are dead is no small act.. It was counterproductive to whatever cause they could possibly have, and they even lost support for it locally from what I've seen. They have farther distanced themselved from their more conservative Islamic counterparts, which are the majority. I don't know. I would say that this problem should be dealt with quickly, severely, but also precisely.
The US has indentified several training sites around afghanistan. I suspect he was talking about those sites, and not where they spent a few hours in a flight simulator in Florida. But.. shit, I could be wrong.
Bin Laded suposedly moves three times a week (according some news report I saw). And according to your link he has no means of communicating with the outside world. Odd how some peripatetic (look it up), blind, deaf organization is able to coordinate such sophisticated and intricately organized terrorist attacks.
Uhmm, you kind of forgot to address the part about the Taliban saying they know where he is, you just did more to confirm that they know where he is. And the suspision is that they are lying about his lack of communication abilities. And using words that no one else knows doesn't make you smarter or something, it just makes you seem like an arrogant idiot with a dictionary. Oh well..
They hit you pretty hard, are you too scared? You either create more terrorists or you try to wipe them all out, trying to wipe them all out wont work and what you are left with is a couple of determined people who no longer care about preserving life anywhere anymore.
Well, considering that right now you seem to have hundreds, if not thousands of people (terrorists) that don't care about preserving life anywhere, I would think you would be better off getting rid of as many as you can.
I've just been wondering if we're going to bomb America for funding the IRA...
Hehe, if you're asking if America is going to bomb America, then you're obviously an idiot. If you're asking if England is ever going to stand up to anyone, then yeah.. you're definitely an idiot. England won't ever say anything tough to America about anything, and Americans will continue to support the IRA. Americans like me anyway.
There is no such thing as "harboring" it's a meaningless term. Sure bin laden lives in afghanistan but it's a big country with huge tracts of rugged mountains where bin laden lives. You think anybody could just walk up to him and arrest him? Of course not.
Do you read the news, or try to think before speaking? Of course not. The Taliban has said themselves that they could arrest him but they don't think he did it. So, they are pretty much screwing themselves. I don't agree with a decision to kill innocent civilians, but it's going to happen, and they aren't doing anything to help stop it.
Yes... lets kill those damn civillians. That'll teach them never to mess with the United "We are Freedom" States of America.
A recent cbs poll (go to their site yourself, it's on the main page somewhere) said that 66& of Americans want to retaliate even if it means innocent civilians will die. The poll specifically asks that, in my opinion, to see if people are in fact interested in "wiping them off the face of the earth". It may not be right, but I think it could happen. Unfortunately, as the saying goes.. might makes right.
Unfortunately... according to an ex-cia officer interviewed in this article, not only don't they have 10,000, they don't have any. He goes on to explain from an operational point of view the difficulties in infiltrating an organization such as the one that orchestrated the attack against the WTC.
It's an interesting read, and like most things is better than senseless speculation. No offense intended.
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...that www.aclu.org [aclu.org] has been down for a while? I don't think it's hosted in NY, and it was up all day yesterday.
Oh my god!! Do you think this could be part of some well orchestrated attack by OUR government on IT'S CITIZENS to deny us our personal liberties. Quick, quote somebody!! Before it's too late!!
Or maybe your DNS is screwed up.
Of course this is an important issue, and of course giving up freedoms for security is actually the wrong thing to do. Do you think America would ever have been attacked had we been living in a police state, deprived of all basic rights? Of course not. However corny it sounded, Bush was right when he said we were attacked because we are the beacon of freedom. And also because people in the Middle East blame our sanctions for millions of civilian deaths, especially among children.
But, at any rate, even still, we never would have been attacked. Maybe creating a population of people so enslaved that they would rather die would be the best deterent to any future terrorist attacks. That's an idea. They would only be helping us then.
"Acts like this deliver more victory to our enemies than would a thousand downed towers." - Some Idiot
Of course, Turkey must be anti-US because they are a Muslim country of nearly 70 million.
It seems the US has a history of turning friends into enemies..
It seems that Muslims have a history of bombing US targets and it's allies. Of course neither of those things are true. Some Americans (usually with an economical interest) have a history of turning friends into enemies. And of course some Muslims (with a feeling that they are being opressed by Americas economic interests) attack US targets. Like everything else in life, it's not black and white. The subtle shades of grey are the ones that will bite you in the ass.
Even though I'm an atheist myself, I know that railing against religion in general isn't a good idea. I would never force my own beliefs on someone else, since it is something that I find repulsive in certain sects of Christianity and as a result, against my own morality. I expect everyone to give me my rights to my own religion (or lack thereof) by demonstrating my own tolerance for other people's religion.
And like he says, prayer isn't restricted to any one religion -- it's common to most. Just becuase the only exposure you've had to prayer has been in a Christian setting doesn't mean that only Christians pray, or that when a Christian asks you to pray, he doesn't necessarily mean to their God.
Normally people calling themselves athiest aren't so sompassionate towards other religions.. in my experience anyway. I'm not religious at all, but it's refreshing to see and I totally agree with you. I don't worship anything, or anyone but sometimes I just say a little prayer hoping that at least having good intentions or wishes towards something or someone will make some type of positive difference. I did that Monday for everyone in America, especially those directly effected by this, and I do that now for everyone else.
Or he could be going on his (probably) 26-27th hour without sleep and everything sort of caught up with him. I highly doubt the military would suggest a nuclear response for a conventional attack such as this. I /really/ doubt anyone, no matter how angry, would let this go that far, even SecDef Rumsfeld(sp) said that this would be a new kind of war and would not see such normal things as airstikes and troop landings.
How do you fight a war without airstrikes or troops? Oh yeah.. nuclear missiles. People calling that poster ignorant seemed like the ignorant ones. I didn't think about it last night when I watched the address, but when he mentioned it, it seemed even more like that's where he was coming from. I genuinely hope that's not true, but going by history I would say it's definitely not out of the question.
If he decides to use a nuke, the only support he'll get from me will be full-metal jacketed, right between the eyes.
Yeah.. you know.. that was probably a bad thing to say. Especially here, especially now.
The people who are behind these kind of attacks have very twisted causes, but near total and indiscriminate annihilation of the human race thankfully isnt one of them.
I genuinely doubt they could carry it though if they wanted to. It seems like if they could have done something worse than this, they would have. Killing however many thousands of people that are dead is no small act.. It was counterproductive to whatever cause they could possibly have, and they even lost support for it locally from what I've seen. They have farther distanced themselved from their more conservative Islamic counterparts, which are the majority. I don't know. I would say that this problem should be dealt with quickly, severely, but also precisely.
Yes! Let's bomb Florida!
Yes! Let's get our head out of our ass.
The US has indentified several training sites around afghanistan. I suspect he was talking about those sites, and not where they spent a few hours in a flight simulator in Florida. But.. shit, I could be wrong.
You do that, and they'll come back with something even more terrifying. Ebola, anthrax, take your pick.
Hehe once again idiocy rears it's ugly head. Anthrax isn't nearly the threat that idiots on Slashdot seem to think it is. Certainly nothing compared to leveling a country.
Bin Laded suposedly moves three times a week (according some news report I saw). And according to your link he has no means of communicating with the outside world. Odd how some peripatetic (look it up), blind, deaf organization is able to coordinate such sophisticated and intricately organized terrorist attacks.
Uhmm, you kind of forgot to address the part about the Taliban saying they know where he is, you just did more to confirm that they know where he is. And the suspision is that they are lying about his lack of communication abilities. And using words that no one else knows doesn't make you smarter or something, it just makes you seem like an arrogant idiot with a dictionary. Oh well..
They hit you pretty hard, are you too scared? You either create more terrorists or you try to wipe them all out, trying to wipe them all out wont work and what you are left with is a couple of determined people who no longer care about preserving life anywhere anymore.
Well, considering that right now you seem to have hundreds, if not thousands of people (terrorists) that don't care about preserving life anywhere, I would think you would be better off getting rid of as many as you can.
I've just been wondering if we're going to bomb America for funding the IRA...
Hehe, if you're asking if America is going to bomb America, then you're obviously an idiot. If you're asking if England is ever going to stand up to anyone, then yeah.. you're definitely an idiot. England won't ever say anything tough to America about anything, and Americans will continue to support the IRA. Americans like me anyway.
There is no such thing as "harboring" it's a meaningless term. Sure bin laden lives in afghanistan but it's a big country with huge tracts of rugged mountains where bin laden lives. You think anybody could just walk up to him and arrest him? Of course not.
Do you read the news, or try to think before speaking? Of course not. The Taliban has said themselves that they could arrest him but they don't think he did it. So, they are pretty much screwing themselves. I don't agree with a decision to kill innocent civilians, but it's going to happen, and they aren't doing anything to help stop it.
Yes... lets kill those damn civillians. That'll teach them never to mess with the United "We are Freedom" States of America.
A recent cbs poll (go to their site yourself, it's on the main page somewhere) said that 66& of Americans want to retaliate even if it means innocent civilians will die. The poll specifically asks that, in my opinion, to see if people are in fact interested in "wiping them off the face of the earth". It may not be right, but I think it could happen. Unfortunately, as the saying goes.. might makes right.
Unfortunately... according to an ex-cia officer interviewed in this article, not only don't they have 10,000, they don't have any. He goes on to explain from an operational point of view the difficulties in infiltrating an organization such as the one that orchestrated the attack against the WTC.
It's an interesting read, and like most things is better than senseless speculation. No offense intended.