From where I sit, the people who do this are not doing anything wrong UNTIL they begin to wreak havoc on the network(s), and start causing problems for the companies.
Not in the UK mate
The Computer Misuse Act 1990 makes it an offence to read a computer file that you do not have authorisation to read. (As well as other 'cracker' type offences)
Basicly this also means that if I look over your shoulder in the office and read what is on your monitor I have commited a crimminal offence punishable by 5 years in prison! (last I looked)
If the network admins are dumb enough to setup these nets and NOT block unauthorized users, they deserve all the problems that they will inherit.
Aggreed. But remember that is isn't just sysadmins that suffer, but maybe some poor sod on 4quid an hour just trying to do their boring desk job. Also no matter what we know is right as geeks dosn't mean the legal world agrees with us (DMCA, micro$oft etc etc etc)
Microsoft expects to earn most of its profits from.Net My Services through subscriptions charged to consumers
(snip) .Net My Services defines a range of services available to consumers,from online calendar and contact-list access, to document storage and electronic-wallet services.
ROFLPMP!
Sounds like a brillient bussiness plan to me!
Lets try charging people for what they can already get for free. Micro$oft must have really lost the plot.
Although then again, I'm sure people are stupid enough to see this as the latest 'must have upgrade' and will become tied into using it, in typical microsoft style.
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Of course the 13yr old kids hadn't heard of Babbage.
But they all know Ada was a babe
Right?:-)
And to the **** who moded that post as off topic first time around ADA WROTE THE CODE FOR BABBAGES COMPUTER The language ADA was named after her you stupid ****!
I believe it was Brazil(? Please correct me) who recently ordered pharma plants to start manufacturing AIDS drugs in violation of U.S. patents. What are the consequences for countries who violate patents like this?
Simple answer: None
Reason:
Acting with the genuine intention to save somebodys life is (under any legal system) is a legtimimate mitigation for any crime, up to and including murder.
Illegal manufacuture of lifesaving drugs isn't going to bother any judge (or any right thinking person)
Making cheap viagra on the side may land you in a spot of trouble though:-)
the Supreme Court has held that a city has authority to zone or displace an adult business, because it has an important interest in preventing so-called "secondary effects" on adjacent properties -- such as a decline in property values or an increase in crime.
If this applies in the physical world, does it now also apply in the virual world?
eg Can an authority now order the displacement/zoning away adult material online because its proximity to my bussiness (eg A very similar or misspelt domain name, or perhaps on the same server) causes my bussiness to be devalued/dissrespected?
Should I worry that practically anyone can now build a supercomputer?
Listen mate, my sister has a supercomuter. Its a PIII with a 1gig clock speed.
As far as I'm concerned, that is a seriously powerful bit of kit that nobody outside a serious mathematition would ever need. My only worry is that she only uses it to run M$ Word and Lookout Express. (Like eveyone else who is talked in to buying such a ridiculously powerful computer for such mundate tasks)
Of course, all of this depends on how far north or south you live: air conditioning is useless in the Polar Regions, and the same is true for heating near the equator.
Well, no shit!
Of course, all the computers in the world would be useless in a LAN party without the networking gear
why do you think that the NSA has listening posts in the UK and Australia ?
So that they can evesdrop on US citizens. Seriously, it is "illegal" for the US gov to monitor its own citizens, so Autralia and the UK do it for them and give the data to the US.
In return the US monitors the UK people and gives the data to the UK gov.
A simple solution to evading the laws. And no I'm not a conspiricy nut. This was mentioned in the European Union investigation into Echelon. See http://www.aclu.org/echelonwatch/highlights.html for more info.
$2,500 per collector and between $35,000 and $45,000 for an analysis station.
WTF!
$2,500 for a glorified packet sniffer, plus another $32k-42k for some dude to sit there and sort it all out / analise p0rn for stenographic messages! Somebody is seriously overpaid!
Seriously though. Can anyone out there say why this is so expensive?
This is exactly like the Regulation of Invstagatory Powers (RIP) bill in the UK.
Give us your crypto keys +
If you refuse you go to jail (If you tell anyone you are under invstigation you go to jail for even longer)
Tell them you have forgot your keys or missplaced them and the burden of proof is on you to prove your innocence. Not on them to prove your guilt! (Tell me... how I'm supposed to prove I have forgoten something?)
Basicly this walks all over your rights to protect yourself from self-incriminaton and the right to be innocent untill proven guilty
Dont worry too much though, I'm waiting for the first test case to go to the European court of Human rights.... It cant last.
If I have a service, and I have reasonable expectation that you would like to know about it, why shouldn't I be able to email you about it? I can write to you on paper, or call you up.
Yes but phoning me or writing me a letter isn't receaver pays advertising is it.
It's OK for those who only read e-mail at work or have free local calls but what about the rest of us?
When at home (and cant use my work machine) I read my mail on an Amstrad 1640 with a 28k modem. C***s who send me massive HTML spam e-mails really annoy me!
And dont get me started on the wasted bandwidth.
Yep... you're right
I belive this is more to regulate the financal services people as opposed to regulating spam. In the UK there have been huge scandels over the misselling of pension schemes *yawn* etc.
Dodgey finacial offers in print will stand up in court much more easly than a spam e-mail.
Shame as all my spam if from p0rn sites and headhunters trying to be my friend. (Headhunters are much more irritating than spammers!)
Oh and why have the nice people at/. changed the spam icon thingey to a pig as opposed to teh canned pig product?
"Only people who have something to hide" should be worried.
My favourate responce to this is to tell 'em that prison cells/graveyards are full of people who thought they had nothing to hide.
That and presenting them with a print out of their bookmarks to BeetOffPicturesGalore.com !
THE MORI POLL WAS NOT IMPARTIAL!
Mori carred out a telephone poll!
Surely anyone who cares about there privicy would tell a cold-caller to piss off! Hardley suprising the results were dubious!
Not only that but questions were asked about terrorist attacks before questions about ID cards were asked! Talk about loaded questions.
Hardly suprising when you find the survey was sponsored by Rupert Murdochs News Of The Screws!
For more info read the Regester article
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/21849.html It links to the Mori site.
Please tell everyone about how dogey this poll was. We cannot have people beliving this crap
All scientists in industry usually end up having to sign some sort of non-disclousre agrement about there work (or have other restrictive stuff thrust upon us)
The truth however, will always find a way.
(As Gallelao (sp) proved when he said the Earth was round and the church refused to let him speak:-)))
Okay, it sounds like a good idea, but how are you gonna download a patch with no net access?
Mail 'em a CD?
Sounds to me a bit like the concept of a debtors prison. (People were sent to jail 'cos they couldn't pay there debt's How could they pay 'em off when they were in jail?)
The UK have had huge terrorist attacks from the IRA for years
They and not "at war" with the Irish
The Spanish have had huge terrorist attacks from the Basque Speratists for years.
They are not "at war" with the Basque region
In both of these countries laws on free speach and human rights prevail.
A "war on terrorism" is like the "war on drugs". Its one you cant "win" in any conventional sence
Besides, many people I have spoken to reckon that Bush only declared it a 'war' under presure from insurance companies. They have to pay out for acts of terrorism but not acts of war.
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From where I sit, the people who do this are not doing anything wrong UNTIL they begin to wreak havoc on the network(s), and start causing problems for the companies.
Not in the UK mate
The Computer Misuse Act 1990 makes it an offence to read a computer file that you do not have authorisation to read. (As well as other 'cracker' type offences)
Basicly this also means that if I look over your shoulder in the office and read what is on your monitor I have commited a crimminal offence punishable by 5 years in prison! (last I looked)
If the network admins are dumb enough to setup these nets and NOT block unauthorized users, they deserve all the problems that they will inherit.
Aggreed. But remember that is isn't just sysadmins that suffer, but maybe some poor sod on 4quid an hour just trying to do their boring desk job. Also no matter what we know is right as geeks dosn't mean the legal world agrees with us (DMCA, micro$oft etc etc etc)
When it comes to "filtered media" I think my
Anyway, if someone did a 'War Of The Worlds' style broadcast over e-mail, I honestly think people would belive that we were being invaded by Martians.
ROFLPMP!
Sounds like a brillient bussiness plan to me!
Lets try charging people for what they can already get for free. Micro$oft must have really lost the plot.
Although then again, I'm sure people are stupid enough to see this as the latest 'must have upgrade' and will become tied into using it, in typical microsoft style.
But they all know Ada was a babe
Right? :-)
And to the **** who moded that post as off topic first time around
ADA WROTE THE CODE FOR BABBAGES COMPUTER
The language ADA was named after her you stupid ****!
I supose the article must have been right !!!
But they all know Ada was a babe.
Right? :-)
Simple answer: None
Reason:
Acting with the genuine intention to save somebodys life is (under any legal system) is a legtimimate mitigation for any crime, up to and including murder.
Illegal manufacuture of lifesaving drugs isn't going to bother any judge (or any right thinking person) :-)
Making cheap viagra on the side may land you in a spot of trouble though
eg Can an authority now order the displacement/zoning away adult material online because its proximity to my bussiness (eg A very similar or misspelt domain name, or perhaps on the same server) causes my bussiness to be devalued/dissrespected?
So where then?
And do I have to declare where for tax purposes?
(Try telling that to the IRS!)
Note for non-UK slashdoters. All stamps in the UK must have a pic/silouete of the queens head on to be legal!
Listen mate, my sister has a supercomuter.
Its a PIII with a 1gig clock speed.
As far as I'm concerned, that is a seriously powerful bit of kit that nobody outside a serious mathematition would ever need. My only worry is that she only uses it to run M$ Word and Lookout Express. (Like eveyone else who is talked in to buying such a ridiculously powerful computer for such mundate tasks)
You cant stop progress!
So that they can evesdrop on US citizens.
Seriously, it is "illegal" for the US gov to monitor its own citizens, so Autralia and the UK do it for them and give the data to the US.
In return the US monitors the UK people and gives the data to the UK gov.
A simple solution to evading the laws. And no I'm not a conspiricy nut. This was mentioned in the European Union investigation into Echelon. See http://www.aclu.org/echelonwatch/highlights.html for more info.
WTF!
$2,500 for a glorified packet sniffer, plus another $32k-42k for some dude to sit there and sort it all out / analise p0rn for stenographic messages! Somebody is seriously overpaid!
Seriously though. Can anyone out there say why this is so expensive?
Give us your crypto keys + If you refuse you go to jail (If you tell anyone you are under invstigation you go to jail for even longer)
Tell them you have forgot your keys or missplaced them and the burden of proof is on you to prove your innocence. Not on them to prove your guilt! (Tell me... how I'm supposed to prove I have forgoten something?)
Basicly this walks all over your rights to protect yourself from self-incriminaton and the right to be innocent untill proven guilty
Dont worry too much though, I'm waiting for the first test case to go to the European court of Human rights.... It cant last.
Yes but phoning me or writing me a letter isn't receaver pays advertising is it.
It's OK for those who only read e-mail at work or have free local calls but what about the rest of us?
When at home (and cant use my work machine) I read my mail on an Amstrad 1640 with a 28k modem. C***s who send me massive HTML spam e-mails really annoy me!
And dont get me started on the wasted bandwidth.
I belive this is more to regulate the financal services people as opposed to regulating spam. In the UK there have been huge scandels over the misselling of pension schemes *yawn* etc.
Dodgey finacial offers in print will stand up in court much more easly than a spam e-mail.
Shame as all my spam if from p0rn sites and headhunters trying to be my friend. (Headhunters are much more irritating than spammers!)
Oh and why have the nice people at /. changed the spam icon thingey to a pig as opposed to teh canned pig product?
"You can have my copy of PGP when you pull if from my cold dead fingers!"
.sig! (RSA algoritam in 3 lines of perl)
. .) *)$/)
And you can have my PGP passphrase when you pry it from my cold, dead brain.
Don't forget folks, The export-a-crypto-system
#!/bin/perl -sp0777iX+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0j]dsj
$/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$k"SK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1
lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp"|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((
For more info, see http://www.cypherspace.org/~adam/rsa/
My favourate responce to this is to tell 'em that prison cells/graveyards are full of people who thought they had nothing to hide.
That and presenting them with a print out of their bookmarks to BeetOffPicturesGalore.com !
Then so are
airplanes
cars
pens
kitchen knives
bank accounts
credit cards
water (Hey they use it to drink you know)
kitchen sinks
I supose these people also want to pass laws saying what time we should get up in the morning and when to go to the toilet.
Surely anyone who cares about there privicy would tell a cold-caller to piss off! Hardley suprising the results were dubious!
Not only that but questions were asked about terrorist attacks before questions about ID cards were asked! Talk about loaded questions.
Hardly suprising when you find the survey was sponsored by Rupert Murdochs News Of The Screws!
For more info read the Regester articlel
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/21849.htm
It links to the Mori site.
Please tell everyone about how dogey this poll was. We cannot have people beliving this crap
I reckon they should print some t-shirts saying,
"I'll carry an ID card when you shove it up my cold, dead ass"
That was supposed to say earth went round the sun
*removes foot from mouth*
The truth however, will always find a way. :-)))
(As Gallelao (sp) proved when he said the Earth was round and the church refused to let him speak
Mail 'em a CD?
Sounds to me a bit like the concept of a debtors prison. (People were sent to jail 'cos they couldn't pay there debt's How could they pay 'em off when they were in jail?)
They and not "at war" with the Irish
The Spanish have had huge terrorist attacks from the Basque Speratists for years.
They are not "at war" with the Basque region
In both of these countries laws on free speach and human rights prevail.
A "war on terrorism" is like the "war on drugs". Its one you cant "win" in any conventional sence
Besides, many people I have spoken to reckon that Bush only declared it a 'war' under presure from insurance companies. They have to pay out for acts of terrorism but not acts of war.