Yes, things definately have soured in the MySql camp from an ambush of Postgres Users. I find it kinda funny that no one has actually responded, much less with objective results.
Yes, I agree, we're not going to see a bank run on MySQL. We're also not going to see a professional magazine written in Word. But Word is installed, understood, and helpful for millions of people. Ie, MySQL it has its purpose and that a rather impressive and large one at that.
The wonderful thing, in my opinion, MySQL based applications tend to be installed very easily, on different platforms, and this includes examples that I am personally responsble for (http://www.silverstripe.com/ ). It has had windows support for a while now, which has been good for out of the office development or 'stick on your salemens laptop to power an appplication' purposes.
I also agree with you that scaling systems requires a shift away from over utilisation of the database, for example, a content management system, no matter the database, is going to run a whole lot faster through caching html files, most likely to disk in a simple directory structure, rather than pulling content from a database. I presume this is how Slashdot holds itself up.
Regarding feature/fault type stuff - I have only experienced faults with disk problems caused by harddisk failures, and out of space conditions. Both caused problems with both databases, and we can hardly blame the databases for corrupting on that. Both managed to come out of the problems easily enough, and with very little lost data.
Nice idea...
Can't Access be slapped on via ODBC or something?
(However, I'd suggest you'd be wanting to put a webfront-end on it, and would be concerned with anything needing more than half a dozen simultaneous users with Access even to a DB like postgres)
Ahhh the debate returns. MySQL and PostgreSQL are really no different than debating linux distrubutions and (possibly) operating systems; they have been formulated to do quite different things, and different people favour them for different reasons.
However, once you have begun to use one or the other, and you begin to understand how you bend it for what you want done, I think you simply trust it and favour it over the alternatives.
I think this expalains why I've personally always preferred MySQL.
Possibly just fate just gave me better luck with it; however I always found it easy and assuring that I can reliably install, upgrade, dump, restore, configure, repair, manage (phpmyadmin and the like), and design apps which run fast using it. While I have come across SQL limitations, it meant I merely shoved the logic back into the language that was calling the SQL in the first place. And we can presume that these things give us an indication to the priorities of the MySQL development team.
Postgres has caused me alot of stife in installation, and their dump/restore scripts to this date still seem unreliable, which sure, may be due to that Debian Stable still being on 7.2 and I've never had the necessity to try out more recent releases.
However, there's many very cool things I hear you can do with it - I simply don't use them:P
I also think that the fact that postgres and mysql both compete is great - it motivates both teams to continually improve.
In summary, I have found MySQL to work perfectly in creating a leading edge content management system (http://www.silverstripe.com/); one where the development, selling and implementation of it has created jobs and forms a whole business. But I'm sure if Postgres had walked in the door four years ago and I had a more positive experience, I'd be touting that over Mysql in the same subjective vein.
Yes, even from little ol New Zealand, where an intersection like that below is pretty rare, my observations where;
* No Turning (especailly complex turns, where, say, you need to change lanes, so you're closest to the turn, and then pass through three lanes of oncoming traffic, and merge with a perpendicular flow)
* Not really heavy traffic. Each car has about 4-5 car lengths of space behind it. This doesn't really seem that heavy. Not an expert, but only at perhaps at 100kmh is that sort of distance considered "full".
* No saftey barrier. Would be nice to set a varialble stating the minimum distance a perpendicular car is allowed pass in front. I'd suggest atleast one car-length:P
* No changing lanes. I'd suggest that it would be safer to intelligently change lanes so that you provide more room between perpendicular crossing of cars. In particular, attempt to pass behind a car, or slow down, rather than sneak just in front of it by speeding up. (Like what sail boats are encouraged to do on water, where you have the wind variable to 'depend' on).
If you sent 19 emails in ten minutes... then x6 x24 = 2736 emails a day.
That number is pretty hard for a single email. I mean, on a good day I might send a hundred, but never a thousand.
However, what would be better is to, for example, get a 'demerit' point every hour you sent more than 20 in ten minutes. If this occurs, say, 10 times a week, THEN they look into it.
Would minimise the number of false checks, and thus unhappy customers and checking-staff...
Another way would just to check the top 500 accuonts at the end of each week, etc.
"Every shop" along courtenay place was supposed to issue tickertape to throw on all your friends, foes and celebraties --- anyone know where to get it from?
The bookstores (Whitcolls) and StarMarts have no idea...
Woah - walk to work at 9am along coutenay place, and I'm sure every teen girl is along the red carpet -- heaps of them with sleeping bags !:P
Can't imagine how busy it will be this afternoon - given the 'parade' is what - atleast 5km long?
Cool - if only we had that, I could go over to the bastard who stole my phone last year.
Much more fun than lodging insurance claims and having to pick a new phone at the store...
So - can we now have longer snow seasons (Here in NZ we've got about a fortnight before closure)... or how about preventing the ice caps from turning into giant island-drowning, ship marauding bergs?
[ Me being the software programmer come snowboarder - not attempting to be a meterologist, ofcourse ]
Does this mean there'll be a new release of that wonderful (DOS? Amiga?) game, Lemmings?
I certainly hope so:)
So this time it'll be in Flash (rather than [S/]VGA?)
I've been reading a few recent slashdot articles on Ion thrusters (e.g. the space ladder, I think). Where's a good intro on the things? I'm almost pleased they exist, sounds nice and sci-fi, even if i'm 21:)
How's this for convienient?
A saturday night in New Zealand between midnight and 2am (local time) and we start seeing quite a few (maybe a dozen or so over that period), while relaxing in a spa pool...
(remember its "Summer" at xmas time here!)
Cool;)
New Zealand's prepay accounts are pure commodity. If you've got a phone, all you need to do is spend $20 to get a prepay SIM card (which I think has 20 or so minutes loaded on it), and you've got a number. You don't need to top the card up on a mandatory basis; just put more money on it in advance and make your calls. Any unused time expires after a year, which is plenty if you ask me.
If you do choose to go on a 'plan' - ie, be invoiced monthly for your account, then you simply undergo a credit check and you're on. (You might need to place down a refundable $100 bond).
Contracts for these phone accounts are on a per-month basis; you can have long-term ones if you want to effectly lease a phone instead of purchasing it outright -- but this is more a lease for a phone than a contract. There's ways of cashing them in and getting better phones.
And every six months or so, the competition will hammer out some new campaign, one company (thehub.co.nz ?) even pays you $300 to move with them which can be used to break contracts and reprint business cards etc.
You might not see personal benefit in SMS, but in New Zealand, as I imagine in any other place where SMS has been for atleast 2 years, it has huge benefits. I imagine it is simply due to the adoption rate of capable phones.
SMS is able to cheaply communicate ideas between people. Its much easier (and cheaper) to read an SMS than to recieve a phone call or get a voicemail message. The SMS has the sender's phone number; all GSM phones allow you to save this number easily, and reply.
The youth market use SMS just as much as you might use E-mail. In New Zealand, an SMS costs 20 cents, much less than half a minute's off-peak calling time. It makes sense for them to use SMS instead of calling, especially when your message can be much more succint.
Busines Applications of SMS are huge. WOuldn't yuo like it if your bank account sent you a message with your account balance? How about when you go into overdraft? Or a payment is about to go out and decline? How about if a service you used became unavailable or was overdue? While this idea is still young in the consumer market in NZ, it is being used alot in particular industries within companies to communicate effectively, especially for call-out staff.
I'd suggest you use Google and bewilder yourself with the immense applications of SMS.
Then multiply this by 100 and you've got the potential applications of MMS (Multimedia - Sound&Audio).
Agreed - but SIM cards can do alot more than simply contain phone books and your identity (along with your last calls, text messages, etc)..
In New Zealand, (I'm not sure of the technological details) SIM cards can contain entire menus which allow you to find nearby;
- petrol service stations
- restuarants & fastfood & vending machines & liqour outlets
- ATMs
- Afterhours Pharmacies
- Taxi Stands
- Check your current phone account balance/free minutes/payment status. (I think you can pay by creditcard although I don't have one).
The best thing about the GSM phone, is as someone else said, I can swap my SIM to another phone if it is stolen (I just go into a store and have a new one issued within a few minutes), or my battery is flat.
They also have several games, "dating services" and other items (although they cost so I'm not sure what they really entail).
CDMA et al, which is also in New Zealand has been a complete failure due to the ease and featureset that SIM cards provide; it pathed the way for the majority of 15-25 year olds to buy a cellphone in over the last few years. The CDMA network here is totally strugling to compete with the GSM one when it comes to newer technologies such as MMS (Sending & recieving photos and sound files);
I laughed when I found out a network was promoting their network could capture photos and send them, when all it was doing, was taking advantage of the T68i's native ability to send and recieve email by directly interacting with POP3/SMTP boxes.
In reference to the article, I cannot possibly see how Japan etc will fall behind the US; their IT industry has much more motivation and impetus to continue to leap ahead.
Our weblogs show that google visits our site (www.up.org.nz) atleast monthly, and it is by no means a huge traffic drawing site in the global senee.
Its' last visit was on 13th April, drawing 1888 hits...
The Cobalt Sun products, despite them being rather expensive, use a program called Bluelinq, which essentially compares all its' installed (Redhat Linux) RPM versions, and compares that with a central server. Should a new version of something exist, a single email is sent, and they can go into a web-based interface and click an option to automatically download and upgrade the new Rpm. The only problem is Cobalt doesnt have enough infrastructure to test and regularly update the RPMs as fast as the open source community; thus they Cobalt is stuck on old kernels and upgrading things like PHP4 yourself is a nightmare.
A similar system for opensource distributions would be fantastic.
The storyline seemed preety straight forward to me; not so simply that it patronised, but not complex to the level of confusion and ambiguity; the perfect mix, I felt... Sure I had read the book, but it was perhaps ten years ago and I really hadn't remembered a great deal at all.
As for your diminishing of confusion, you could also see the film again (perhaps without the hot chick to serve as a distraction).
"made" is NOT the same as "paid for"!
Over 20,000 new zealand extras, 300 NZ computer effects crew and how ever many hundred on-set crew, cameramen, make-up artists, caterers etc were the guts behind the film; I was on set and, sure, there were a number of america accents making up some of the higher ranks, but the VAST majority, and lets not forget the man at the top, were all New Zealand residents.
American funders made the film to make money, but asked New Zealand to do it; especially seeing as by getting the NZ infrastructure to do it, they only needed to fund NZ dollars for the most part.(which are half the US dollar).
Naturual Progression maybe, but its huge risky jump - New Zealand has made hundreds of feature length films from the early 1900s (I studied them at Uni), but if you're not in Australia or New Zealand, you generally only see them at Art House cinemas or the sporadic NZ Film Festivals.... LOTR is really NZ's first big mainstream break.
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Yes, things definately have soured in the MySql camp from an ambush of Postgres Users. I find it kinda funny that no one has actually responded, much less with objective results.
Yes, I agree, we're not going to see a bank run on MySQL. We're also not going to see a professional magazine written in Word. But Word is installed, understood, and helpful for millions of people. Ie, MySQL it has its purpose and that a rather impressive and large one at that.
The wonderful thing, in my opinion, MySQL based applications tend to be installed very easily, on different platforms, and this includes examples that I am personally responsble for (http://www.silverstripe.com/ ). It has had windows support for a while now, which has been good for out of the office development or 'stick on your salemens laptop to power an appplication' purposes.
I also agree with you that scaling systems requires a shift away from over utilisation of the database, for example, a content management system, no matter the database, is going to run a whole lot faster through caching html files, most likely to disk in a simple directory structure, rather than pulling content from a database. I presume this is how Slashdot holds itself up.
Regarding feature/fault type stuff - I have only experienced faults with disk problems caused by harddisk failures, and out of space conditions. Both caused problems with both databases, and we can hardly blame the databases for corrupting on that. Both managed to come out of the problems easily enough, and with very little lost data.
Nice idea... Can't Access be slapped on via ODBC or something? (However, I'd suggest you'd be wanting to put a webfront-end on it, and would be concerned with anything needing more than half a dozen simultaneous users with Access even to a DB like postgres)
Postgres has caused me alot of stife in installation, and their dump/restore scripts to this date still seem unreliable, which sure, may be due to that Debian Stable still being on 7.2 and I've never had the necessity to try out more recent releases.
However, there's many very cool things I hear you can do with it - I simply don't use them :P
I also think that the fact that postgres and mysql both compete is great - it motivates both teams to continually improve.
In summary, I have found MySQL to work perfectly in creating a leading edge content management system (http://www.silverstripe.com/); one where the development, selling and implementation of it has created jobs and forms a whole business. But I'm sure if Postgres had walked in the door four years ago and I had a more positive experience, I'd be touting that over Mysql in the same subjective vein.
Yes, even from little ol New Zealand, where an intersection like that below is pretty rare, my observations where;
:P
* No Turning (especailly complex turns, where, say, you need to change lanes, so you're closest to the turn, and then pass through three lanes of oncoming traffic, and merge with a perpendicular flow)
* Not really heavy traffic. Each car has about 4-5 car lengths of space behind it. This doesn't really seem that heavy. Not an expert, but only at perhaps at 100kmh is that sort of distance considered "full".
* No saftey barrier. Would be nice to set a varialble stating the minimum distance a perpendicular car is allowed pass in front. I'd suggest atleast one car-length
* No changing lanes. I'd suggest that it would be safer to intelligently change lanes so that you provide more room between perpendicular crossing of cars. In particular, attempt to pass behind a car, or slow down, rather than sneak just in front of it by speeding up. (Like what sail boats are encouraged to do on water, where you have the wind variable to 'depend' on).
If you sent 19 emails in ten minutes... then x6 x24 = 2736 emails a day. That number is pretty hard for a single email. I mean, on a good day I might send a hundred, but never a thousand. However, what would be better is to, for example, get a 'demerit' point every hour you sent more than 20 in ten minutes. If this occurs, say, 10 times a week, THEN they look into it. Would minimise the number of false checks, and thus unhappy customers and checking-staff... Another way would just to check the top 500 accuonts at the end of each week, etc.
Hah - just found out my (15 yo) sister went down with her friends there at about 2am in the morning :P
"Every shop" along courtenay place was supposed to issue tickertape to throw on all your friends, foes and celebraties --- anyone know where to get it from? The bookstores (Whitcolls) and StarMarts have no idea...
Woah - walk to work at 9am along coutenay place, and I'm sure every teen girl is along the red carpet -- heaps of them with sleeping bags ! :P
Can't imagine how busy it will be this afternoon - given the 'parade' is what - atleast 5km long?
Cool - if only we had that, I could go over to the bastard who stole my phone last year. Much more fun than lodging insurance claims and having to pick a new phone at the store...
So - can we now have longer snow seasons (Here in NZ we've got about a fortnight before closure) ... or how about preventing the ice caps from turning into giant island-drowning, ship marauding bergs?
[ Me being the software programmer come snowboarder - not attempting to be a meterologist, ofcourse ]
Does this mean there'll be a new release of that wonderful (DOS? Amiga?) game, Lemmings? I certainly hope so :)
So this time it'll be in Flash (rather than [S/]VGA?)
http://www.ac-grenoble.fr/yre/agency/library/missi ons/missrep1997/online/rap-nuc1.htm
I've been reading a few recent slashdot articles on Ion thrusters (e.g. the space ladder, I think). Where's a good intro on the things? I'm almost pleased they exist, sounds nice and sci-fi, even if i'm 21 :)
How's this for convienient? A saturday night in New Zealand between midnight and 2am (local time) and we start seeing quite a few (maybe a dozen or so over that period), while relaxing in a spa pool ...
(remember its "Summer" at xmas time here!)
Cool ;)
New Zealand's prepay accounts are pure commodity. If you've got a phone, all you need to do is spend $20 to get a prepay SIM card (which I think has 20 or so minutes loaded on it), and you've got a number. You don't need to top the card up on a mandatory basis; just put more money on it in advance and make your calls. Any unused time expires after a year, which is plenty if you ask me. If you do choose to go on a 'plan' - ie, be invoiced monthly for your account, then you simply undergo a credit check and you're on. (You might need to place down a refundable $100 bond). Contracts for these phone accounts are on a per-month basis; you can have long-term ones if you want to effectly lease a phone instead of purchasing it outright -- but this is more a lease for a phone than a contract. There's ways of cashing them in and getting better phones. And every six months or so, the competition will hammer out some new campaign, one company (thehub.co.nz ?) even pays you $300 to move with them which can be used to break contracts and reprint business cards etc.
You might not see personal benefit in SMS, but in New Zealand, as I imagine in any other place where SMS has been for atleast 2 years, it has huge benefits. I imagine it is simply due to the adoption rate of capable phones. SMS is able to cheaply communicate ideas between people. Its much easier (and cheaper) to read an SMS than to recieve a phone call or get a voicemail message. The SMS has the sender's phone number; all GSM phones allow you to save this number easily, and reply. The youth market use SMS just as much as you might use E-mail. In New Zealand, an SMS costs 20 cents, much less than half a minute's off-peak calling time. It makes sense for them to use SMS instead of calling, especially when your message can be much more succint. Busines Applications of SMS are huge. WOuldn't yuo like it if your bank account sent you a message with your account balance? How about when you go into overdraft? Or a payment is about to go out and decline? How about if a service you used became unavailable or was overdue? While this idea is still young in the consumer market in NZ, it is being used alot in particular industries within companies to communicate effectively, especially for call-out staff. I'd suggest you use Google and bewilder yourself with the immense applications of SMS. Then multiply this by 100 and you've got the potential applications of MMS (Multimedia - Sound&Audio).
Agreed - but SIM cards can do alot more than simply contain phone books and your identity (along with your last calls, text messages, etc).. In New Zealand, (I'm not sure of the technological details) SIM cards can contain entire menus which allow you to find nearby; - petrol service stations - restuarants & fastfood & vending machines & liqour outlets - ATMs - Afterhours Pharmacies - Taxi Stands - Check your current phone account balance/free minutes/payment status. (I think you can pay by creditcard although I don't have one). The best thing about the GSM phone, is as someone else said, I can swap my SIM to another phone if it is stolen (I just go into a store and have a new one issued within a few minutes), or my battery is flat. They also have several games, "dating services" and other items (although they cost so I'm not sure what they really entail). CDMA et al, which is also in New Zealand has been a complete failure due to the ease and featureset that SIM cards provide; it pathed the way for the majority of 15-25 year olds to buy a cellphone in over the last few years. The CDMA network here is totally strugling to compete with the GSM one when it comes to newer technologies such as MMS (Sending & recieving photos and sound files); I laughed when I found out a network was promoting their network could capture photos and send them, when all it was doing, was taking advantage of the T68i's native ability to send and recieve email by directly interacting with POP3/SMTP boxes. In reference to the article, I cannot possibly see how Japan etc will fall behind the US; their IT industry has much more motivation and impetus to continue to leap ahead.
Thus violations of opensource copyright (GNU etc?) are then fined to a maximum of $0 ???
Not to mention charge a couple of grand :P
Our weblogs show that google visits our site (www.up.org.nz) atleast monthly, and it is by no means a huge traffic drawing site in the global senee. Its' last visit was on 13th April, drawing 1888 hits...
The Cobalt Sun products, despite them being rather expensive, use a program called Bluelinq, which essentially compares all its' installed (Redhat Linux) RPM versions, and compares that with a central server. Should a new version of something exist, a single email is sent, and they can go into a web-based interface and click an option to automatically download and upgrade the new Rpm. The only problem is Cobalt doesnt have enough infrastructure to test and regularly update the RPMs as fast as the open source community; thus they Cobalt is stuck on old kernels and upgrading things like PHP4 yourself is a nightmare. A similar system for opensource distributions would be fantastic.
How could this affect PHP4's use of zlib? I assume this is used when you use gzip compression on pages using the ob_handler?
The storyline seemed preety straight forward to me; not so simply that it patronised, but not complex to the level of confusion and ambiguity; the perfect mix, I felt ... Sure I had read the book, but it was perhaps ten years ago and I really hadn't remembered a great deal at all.
As for your diminishing of confusion, you could also see the film again (perhaps without the hot chick to serve as a distraction).
"made" is NOT the same as "paid for"! Over 20,000 new zealand extras, 300 NZ computer effects crew and how ever many hundred on-set crew, cameramen, make-up artists, caterers etc were the guts behind the film; I was on set and, sure, there were a number of america accents making up some of the higher ranks, but the VAST majority, and lets not forget the man at the top, were all New Zealand residents. American funders made the film to make money, but asked New Zealand to do it; especially seeing as by getting the NZ infrastructure to do it, they only needed to fund NZ dollars for the most part.(which are half the US dollar).
Naturual Progression maybe, but its huge risky jump - New Zealand has made hundreds of feature length films from the early 1900s (I studied them at Uni), but if you're not in Australia or New Zealand, you generally only see them at Art House cinemas or the sporadic NZ Film Festivals.... LOTR is really NZ's first big mainstream break.