"But tell me, in a library where there is a photocopier amidst thousands of copyrighted books, is the library actually _distributing_ any copyrighted content without authorization? While it's arguable that they are enabling such action, are they actually participating in it? No?"
Ugh I hate this analogy. The reason why copy machines are okay in libraries is that one's not going to copy the entire book, just an excerpt from it. It's okay to to take away bits of that information for use in reasearch papers, etc.
So does this negate your point? Eh no, I don't think so. There's still the whole problem of the distribution side of it being illegal. This is in Canada, though. The music industry gets a fee for every cd-r sold to compensate them for music copying. So what are the consumers fitting the bill here paying for? You can't simply fine them on the grounds they may become guilty down the road. So are they paying for the license to make the songs available? Heh probably not, but I can't help but wonder if that's part of the thought here.
Maybe it's just as simple as making a copy of a book isn't dependent on that book coming from the library the machine is in. So why should music be different?
Eh I dunno. Personally, I don't think copyright in its current incarnation is all that compatible with the internet. Sounds like fixing it is more like a rewrite than a simple update. Imagine what would happen to exctinct games if the industry cracked down too hard on them.
"So in what world is putting a file that you do _NOT_ own the copyright on, and have not actually obtained permission from the copyright holder to copy for purposes beyond fair use, in a publicly shared folder for others to obtain _not_ a violation of the copyright act? "
The thought behind that might have been along the lines of "they're getting CD-R money to make up for this loss, so they can't double dip." But I didn't RTFA so I dunno.
"This lends creedence to many a/.'ers comment that the music industry is holding onto a failing business. "
This doesn't really negate your point, but I did want to offer a small correction here. The business itself is relatively sound. People want music. The RIAA and similar organizations provide the music. What's in danger is not this business, it's the distribution of it. Selling entire albums at a premium price is dying. That doesn't mean the music industry is going to go with it, though.
If they're smart enough to embrace the change, rapidly, they'd already have the artists, money, and channels to get it off the ground so fast that somebody else wouldn't be able to easily worm their way in.
Again, not trying to negate your point here. I just don't think the RIAA's going to disappear any time soon unless they keep suing their customers.
"Imagine getting the blue screen of death at 85mph..."
Imagine crashing because it took too long to read the man page on the hdlghts command.
Tee hee hoddle haw, we made our lame OS jokes for a cheap laugh. Boy I can't wait for the next article involving a car and a computer so we can recycle the humor.
"I'm sorry, but that's just a stupid idea and you're a stupid person for thinking of it. No offense meant."
It's hard to take offense at name calling by somebody who doesn't have the balls to post that with their registerred nickname. "I'm only comfortable calling you stupid if you can't find out how I am."
"I'm no fan of conspiracy theories at all, but in this case it should be rather easy for, lets say, MS to put some money into SCO anonymously to delay and hamper linux deployment."
Um, what development has SCO delayed? (Sorry, can't make your link work...) Who's stopped developing for Linux? Who's stopped buying it? Who's stopped downloading it? If Microsoft really did pump money into SCO for the purpose of slowing down Linux, they did it in the least effective way.
"Maybe if you didn't install every piece of spyware that you come across on the web and are perhaps a little bit more vigilant on the stuff you DO decide to install, then you wouldn't have to rebuild every year."
That's the sad part, I'm not installing everything under the sun. It's a nasty bottleneck with Windows. Get over it.
Earlier versions of Lightwave and 3D Studio MAX worked fine on 9x. The problem was if you didn't reboot Windows once every day or so, it would do it for you. And yes, this includes Windows 98. When I went to 2K, I'd reboot every 2 weeks or so. Linux can run circles around this, but when it's 2 weeks, it really isn't that B of D.
"How about doing you rendering on Linux? Lots of studios do."
I'm not opposed to it. I just can't, though. Lightwave does have a Linux based network renderer. But i do the development on the same machine I render on, so Linux doesn't really buy me anything there. The Layout/Modelling prorams are Windows/Mac only. If they made a Linux version of Lightwave, I'd be tempted to try it. But Linux would have to be better than Windows. Uptime alone doesn't cut it. The apps and everything else I need to do still need to work. (I can forgive the lack of games, though.) Linux has some of that, but not all of it.
" It kind of is pretty sucky. It is more stable than is Win 95/98/Me, but it still suffers from the major Windows flaws, nameley: The system gets slower and slower as time passes; cruft builds up in the registry and there's no way to get rid of it."
Yep. You gotta reinstall Windows once a year. Though I think Windows is alright (not perfect, but more than adequate...), I really hate that aspect of it. Here's hoping Microsoft does something about that. (Although I wonder how many people have purchased new computers that seem faster because the registry's clear...?)
"The system IS more stable than other versions of Windows but still crashes for no reason; things break when they're not supposed to. For example, for the last month I have been unable to change my desktop background. Why? I have no freaking idea."
Sorry, can't say I share that experience. I've had people tell me all kinds of horror stories about 2K and XP, but man I've yet to run across it myself. I honestly think they're telling me the truth, but I can't help but wonder what's going on inside their machine. I've had a number of machines that have run 2k and XP, never had any of those problems. Never had spontaneous freezing (except for using RealPlayer...), BSODs virtually never happen (my DVD burner caused it once...), and I haven't lost work due to inopportune crashes caused by Microsoft.
That's not to say Windows has been the best OS ever. Yes, I have had stupid things happen. Just last week I had to stop a service just to make my wireless connection work reliably. How lame is that? Bear in mind, though, that I recently spent nearly 2 weeks straight rendering a scene for my demo reel. There was a lot of swapping going on as the data in the scene exceeded the amount of RAM I had. No reboots, no crashes. Everything just worked. Even browsed the web while it was plugging away. (Dual proc machine, to boot.)
Is Windows problem free? Oh hell no. Does it have its annoyances? Oh hell yes. But if I can do all that rendering work for 2 weeks straight, then crap isn't the word I'd use.
"windows comes on 1 disc, linux comes usually on 3 or more disc's, maybe thats because openoffice etc is included."
Too bad a PHB's not going to know that. It's unlikely that he's going to be in the OS aisle, let alone picking up a box that doens't look like it's got the copy of Office he wants.
There should be an effort to get the 'free' Linux stuff on store shelves. Take OpenOffice, for example. Put it on store shelves. Make it visible. Charge a decent price for it. Get the word out there that Linux should be taken seriously.
"We had a similar situation when I was at school. Paying to park at the meters for the bulk of the day was more than the parking ticket - which could only be issued once per car per day. The rule became, put coins in the meter if you'll be there less than 4 hours, otherwise, skip it."
The school I was at had an interesting solution to this problem. Every time you got a ticket, the new fine was the previous fine times 2. If you paid $10 on the first offense, the second offense would be $20, the third would be $40, etc.
Those of us that use XP and 2k would not agree with you. They are both a hell of a lot more stable than Win95/98/SE/ME. 2K in particular is very popular with 3D artists who couldn't bear to lose a render to a crash.
"Um actually most Big Electronic retailers sell boxed versions of Linux. When is the last time you saw Windows 2003 Enterprise Edition on shelves at Best Buy? How about Exchange and SQL Server?"
Um, actually I said Linux software, not specifically the OS. I'm really sick and tired of people responding to me just to argue with what I said instead of actually understanding the point I was making. I have no fucking clue how you can think seeing a distro of Linux on the shelf is exactly the same as having row after fucking row of software for Windows.
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" Even intel surrendured."
Regrouping, to be more precise.
"But tell me, in a library where there is a photocopier amidst thousands of copyrighted books, is the library actually _distributing_ any copyrighted content without authorization? While it's arguable that they are enabling such action, are they actually participating in it? No?"
Ugh I hate this analogy. The reason why copy machines are okay in libraries is that one's not going to copy the entire book, just an excerpt from it. It's okay to to take away bits of that information for use in reasearch papers, etc.
So does this negate your point? Eh no, I don't think so. There's still the whole problem of the distribution side of it being illegal. This is in Canada, though. The music industry gets a fee for every cd-r sold to compensate them for music copying. So what are the consumers fitting the bill here paying for? You can't simply fine them on the grounds they may become guilty down the road. So are they paying for the license to make the songs available? Heh probably not, but I can't help but wonder if that's part of the thought here.
Maybe it's just as simple as making a copy of a book isn't dependent on that book coming from the library the machine is in. So why should music be different?
Eh I dunno. Personally, I don't think copyright in its current incarnation is all that compatible with the internet. Sounds like fixing it is more like a rewrite than a simple update. Imagine what would happen to exctinct games if the industry cracked down too hard on them.
"So in what world is putting a file that you do _NOT_ own the copyright on, and have not actually obtained permission from the copyright holder to copy for purposes beyond fair use, in a publicly shared folder for others to obtain _not_ a violation of the copyright act? "
The thought behind that might have been along the lines of "they're getting CD-R money to make up for this loss, so they can't double dip." But I didn't RTFA so I dunno.
"This lends creedence to many a /.'ers comment that the music industry is holding onto a failing business. "
This doesn't really negate your point, but I did want to offer a small correction here. The business itself is relatively sound. People want music. The RIAA and similar organizations provide the music. What's in danger is not this business, it's the distribution of it. Selling entire albums at a premium price is dying. That doesn't mean the music industry is going to go with it, though.
If they're smart enough to embrace the change, rapidly, they'd already have the artists, money, and channels to get it off the ground so fast that somebody else wouldn't be able to easily worm their way in.
Again, not trying to negate your point here. I just don't think the RIAA's going to disappear any time soon unless they keep suing their customers.
"Of course it won't."
Troll? Why?
"Why wait until tomorrow: Here ya go, and there also Borg, Alien, Predator, even the Grinch."
Hmmm.... I really must resist the temptation to buy that borg costume and drive up to Redmond.
"Light that thing up and you wouldn't have to worry at all about being a road hazard when trick-or-treating."
Yeah, instead of being a hazard, you can be a target.
"If the computer mandates a minimum 1 meter bubble with other cars, do we allow it to violate that in order to avoid the kid and dog?"
I'd recommend waiting for version 3.
"Imagine getting the blue screen of death at 85mph..."
Imagine crashing because it took too long to read the man page on the hdlghts command.
Tee hee hoddle haw, we made our lame OS jokes for a cheap laugh. Boy I can't wait for the next article involving a car and a computer so we can recycle the humor.
"Forget about retail. PHBs don't go shopping,"
They do for their own personal stuff. That's all it takes to grab that impression.
"I'm sorry, but that's just a stupid idea and you're a stupid person for thinking of it. No offense meant."
It's hard to take offense at name calling by somebody who doesn't have the balls to post that with their registerred nickname. "I'm only comfortable calling you stupid if you can't find out how I am."
"then Windows is a 'non-literal implementation' of Mac OS, and the lawsuit from the learly 90's should be revisited."
Then KDE can be sued.
"I'm no fan of conspiracy theories at all, but in this case it should be rather easy for, lets say, MS to put some money into SCO anonymously to delay and hamper linux deployment."
Um, what development has SCO delayed? (Sorry, can't make your link work...) Who's stopped developing for Linux? Who's stopped buying it? Who's stopped downloading it? If Microsoft really did pump money into SCO for the purpose of slowing down Linux, they did it in the least effective way.
"Can you run OSX on x86? Alpha? Or perhaps on some kind of SPARC?"
Can every single app you run on Linux run on Alpha, SPARC, or X86?
"Why people like to claim that Linux coders are "creative" or whatever is beyond me."
Are you kidding? Haven't you seen some of the pulitzer class theories about how Microsoft is taking over the world?
"Maybe if you didn't install every piece of spyware that you come across on the web and are perhaps a little bit more vigilant on the stuff you DO decide to install, then you wouldn't have to rebuild every year."
That's the sad part, I'm not installing everything under the sun. It's a nasty bottleneck with Windows. Get over it.
"I dont know of many 3d apps that run on Win9x."
Earlier versions of Lightwave and 3D Studio MAX worked fine on 9x. The problem was if you didn't reboot Windows once every day or so, it would do it for you. And yes, this includes Windows 98. When I went to 2K, I'd reboot every 2 weeks or so. Linux can run circles around this, but when it's 2 weeks, it really isn't that B of D.
"How about doing you rendering on Linux? Lots of studios do."
I'm not opposed to it. I just can't, though. Lightwave does have a Linux based network renderer. But i do the development on the same machine I render on, so Linux doesn't really buy me anything there. The Layout/Modelling prorams are Windows/Mac only. If they made a Linux version of Lightwave, I'd be tempted to try it. But Linux would have to be better than Windows. Uptime alone doesn't cut it. The apps and everything else I need to do still need to work. (I can forgive the lack of games, though.) Linux has some of that, but not all of it.
" It kind of is pretty sucky. It is more stable than is Win 95/98/Me, but it still suffers from the major Windows flaws, nameley:
The system gets slower and slower as time passes; cruft builds up in the registry and there's no way to get rid of it."
Yep. You gotta reinstall Windows once a year. Though I think Windows is alright (not perfect, but more than adequate...), I really hate that aspect of it. Here's hoping Microsoft does something about that. (Although I wonder how many people have purchased new computers that seem faster because the registry's clear...?)
"The system IS more stable than other versions of Windows but still crashes for no reason; things break when they're not supposed to. For example, for the last month I have been unable to change my desktop background. Why? I have no freaking idea."
Sorry, can't say I share that experience. I've had people tell me all kinds of horror stories about 2K and XP, but man I've yet to run across it myself. I honestly think they're telling me the truth, but I can't help but wonder what's going on inside their machine. I've had a number of machines that have run 2k and XP, never had any of those problems. Never had spontaneous freezing (except for using RealPlayer...), BSODs virtually never happen (my DVD burner caused it once...), and I haven't lost work due to inopportune crashes caused by Microsoft.
That's not to say Windows has been the best OS ever. Yes, I have had stupid things happen. Just last week I had to stop a service just to make my wireless connection work reliably. How lame is that? Bear in mind, though, that I recently spent nearly 2 weeks straight rendering a scene for my demo reel. There was a lot of swapping going on as the data in the scene exceeded the amount of RAM I had. No reboots, no crashes. Everything just worked. Even browsed the web while it was plugging away. (Dual proc machine, to boot.)
Is Windows problem free? Oh hell no. Does it have its annoyances? Oh hell yes. But if I can do all that rendering work for 2 weeks straight, then crap isn't the word I'd use.
"The forced open-sourcing of Windows is the way to go!"
And why's that?
"windows comes on 1 disc, linux comes usually on 3 or more disc's, maybe thats because openoffice etc is included."
Too bad a PHB's not going to know that. It's unlikely that he's going to be in the OS aisle, let alone picking up a box that doens't look like it's got the copy of Office he wants.
There should be an effort to get the 'free' Linux stuff on store shelves. Take OpenOffice, for example. Put it on store shelves. Make it visible. Charge a decent price for it. Get the word out there that Linux should be taken seriously.
"We had a similar situation when I was at school. Paying to park at the meters for the bulk of the day was more than the parking ticket - which could only be issued once per car per day. The rule became, put coins in the meter if you'll be there less than 4 hours, otherwise, skip it."
The school I was at had an interesting solution to this problem. Every time you got a ticket, the new fine was the previous fine times 2. If you paid $10 on the first offense, the second offense would be $20, the third would be $40, etc.
"2K is barely usable and XP is a joke (IMHO :)"
Those of us that use XP and 2k would not agree with you. They are both a hell of a lot more stable than Win95/98/SE/ME. 2K in particular is very popular with 3D artists who couldn't bear to lose a render to a crash.
"But your beloved Loonix IS sold at Best Buy in the form of mandrake, suse, and redhat.
Goddamn, don't you bother to check your facts?"
I said Linux software, not distro. Goddamn, don't you bother to check your facts?
"Maybe you should stop writing stupid bonehead comments that indicate that you still need to RTFA."
Maybe you should stop writing stupid bonehead comments that indicate that you don't have a good rebuttal to what I said.
"Um actually most Big Electronic retailers sell boxed versions of Linux. When is the last time you saw Windows 2003 Enterprise Edition on shelves at Best Buy? How about Exchange and SQL Server?"
Um, actually I said Linux software, not specifically the OS. I'm really sick and tired of people responding to me just to argue with what I said instead of actually understanding the point I was making. I have no fucking clue how you can think seeing a distro of Linux on the shelf is exactly the same as having row after fucking row of software for Windows.
Honestly guys, use your brains a little.