"ree Software Camp: But Photoshop isn't Free. so "bzzt" to you too."
Sadly, I see this argument all too often. Price isn't everything, folks. If I save $600 by using Gimp instead of Photoshop, but the result isn't good enough to get paid for the project, then Gimp effectively isn't free.
I'm happy to spend the money, especially when it makes the task of making more money a lot easier. GIMP has a long ways to go before it actually saves a lot of us artists money.
"only a dipshit thinks that photoshop is better than gimp. "
Either a dipshit or somebody who sits down, uses Gimp, and finds out it's missing a LOT of what Photoshop has.
There are a few things that Gimp does just fine. However, those of us that make a living by knowing every nook and cranny of Photoshop find Gimp to be virtually unusuable in many areas of image creation and adjustment. There's a reason why Photoshop is the de-facto leader in that market, think about it.
There's actually some truth to that. Macs are great for artists in both the 2D and 3D space. Since OSX is built on top of BSD, it gives studios a platform to really build upon. (Sorry Microsoft.) The interface is far more friendly to those who are more right brained and visually oriented. On top of all that, it just works, no real tinkering to do.
"No wonder Apple ony has like 3% of the market. "
Art is what the Mac excels at. Can't really go wrong there. Sadly, it isn't what the general computing populace is doing. People buy their machines based on their potential, not so much for what they do out of the box. As a result, Apple is in a bit of a tight spot. It's hard to buy a Mac when you go to a store and find but the slighest trace of its existence. Being left out sucks. That leaves you making the decision to go with it in order to solve a very specific problem.
"I could understand the suspension if he sent "fuck you" to everybody on the LAN. Since he didn't, we obviously have to look at the incompetent network administrator."
The administrator didn't cause the mischief, the student did. He disrupted EVERYBODY using a computer on that network. It's roughly the equivalent of blowing a fart sound on his arm in a full classroom.
I agree that the punishment may have been a little heavy (gee, the poor kid stays home and plays his GameCube instead of dealing with bullies at school, the tragedy) but you really shouldn't go blaming the administrator because the kid did something he knew he shouldn't have.
As for the administrator, the whole purpose of a computer network is for the machines to communicate. He could disable net send, whoopee, somebody else would find another way to do it. The computers are there for the students to learn with. Best to teach them good net-iquette than to lock down the machines to the point that they're really not all that useful.
Out of curiosity, did he actually threaten anybody with them, or did he just bring them?
I ask because I remember a situation with a friend of mine back in 1990. (I mention that because this is before Columbine etc, not sure how relevant that is...) His brother borrowed his coat and left a plastic chinese star in it. He discovered it at school and turned it in to a teacher, the point was to stay out of trouble. He was suspended for a day or two over it, believe it or not. I think turning it in was what prevented him from being expelled. There was a gunshot there not too long before that, so everybody was on edge. Dumb ass had a gun in his pants and it went off, hitting him in the thigh. So tensions were a bit high.
Sorry, I'm rambling a bit. This discussion is far more interesting than the problem I'm trying to solve at work.
"Now this, a kid is suspended for doing something not forbidden (oh, they have rules against 'hacking'? Then it's their responsibility to understand the term)."
Just playing devil's advocate here, he did disrupt EVERYBODY using a computer. It's doubtful that typed that in not knowing what the result would be.
I dunno if 3 days is really the right punishment, but the severity of it is understandable. The whole point with using a computer network is to allow the computers to talk to each other. By its very nature, disruptions like these will always be possible. It's the sort of thing you want to crack down on right away before somebody brings a worm to school just for yucks.
So, is suspension the answer? I was suspended from school once. It was in school suspension, but I loved it. No bullies. No homework. I was given a long list of stuff to do and was told "get this done." When I finished, I had 1.5 days to just sit around and draw. A little boring, but preferable to being in class. Sending me home for suspension would have been even better. Frankly, I probably would have net sent too just for a little break. My dad wouldn't have gotten mad at me over that.
"So why don't you install and use another mail client? "
When Mozilla's mail client manages contacts, calender, todo list, and notes, and then will synch to my PocketPC and cell phone, I'll be happy to consider switching.
And no, I'm not trolling, I really do use all these features. Outlook 98/2000/XP is a very robust app despite it's security flaws.
"At least in a server environment, I don't see the requirement for many gigs of memory (on a single chip no less) without also having better technology to access it quickly."
That's because we don't have that much RAM to fill. I hate to think about how much less porn I'd have if not for JPEG.
Just struck me as a little odd that the state of gaming was compared to the 20's instead of the 80's. It seems like in the mid-to-late 80's is when we saw the the start of convincing effects. The result of this was fewer compromises in making a movie with a vision. It wasn't perfect, things still looked fake, but man it just got better and better.
You'll have to pardon me, I just watched the Back to the Future trilogy. Cannot help but be reminded at how refreshing I found those movies when I was a kid. Seems to me that gaming's in that state right now. The graphics are quite sophisticated, the renderings are very close to what the artists intended, but there's still quite a leap to go before we get to 'convining'.
Maybe I'm just focusing on the wrong aspect, though.
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"Price isn't the argument. Vendor restrictions on what you can do with the software is."
Elaborate?
"The number of times you have to zoom out to see the Galaxy from the roof of the laboratory shows you just how small we really are."
Simultaenously across the planet, men's legs cross.
"Is OS-X available for non-Apple machines? "
A lot of us running Windows wish it was.
"ree Software Camp: But Photoshop isn't Free. so "bzzt" to you too."
Sadly, I see this argument all too often. Price isn't everything, folks. If I save $600 by using Gimp instead of Photoshop, but the result isn't good enough to get paid for the project, then Gimp effectively isn't free.
I'm happy to spend the money, especially when it makes the task of making more money a lot easier. GIMP has a long ways to go before it actually saves a lot of us artists money.
"only a dipshit thinks that photoshop is better than gimp. "
Either a dipshit or somebody who sits down, uses Gimp, and finds out it's missing a LOT of what Photoshop has.
There are a few things that Gimp does just fine. However, those of us that make a living by knowing every nook and cranny of Photoshop find Gimp to be virtually unusuable in many areas of image creation and adjustment. There's a reason why Photoshop is the de-facto leader in that market, think about it.
"So, OS X is useless, unless you need Photoshop."
There's actually some truth to that. Macs are great for artists in both the 2D and 3D space. Since OSX is built on top of BSD, it gives studios a platform to really build upon. (Sorry Microsoft.) The interface is far more friendly to those who are more right brained and visually oriented. On top of all that, it just works, no real tinkering to do.
"No wonder Apple ony has like 3% of the market. "
Art is what the Mac excels at. Can't really go wrong there. Sadly, it isn't what the general computing populace is doing. People buy their machines based on their potential, not so much for what they do out of the box. As a result, Apple is in a bit of a tight spot. It's hard to buy a Mac when you go to a store and find but the slighest trace of its existence. Being left out sucks. That leaves you making the decision to go with it in order to solve a very specific problem.
So yes, the statement does have some truth to it.
" vs. Softwear? "
Whoah.. I can sort by cup size. Man I'm glad I'm telecommuting today.
"I could understand the suspension if he sent "fuck you" to everybody on the LAN. Since he didn't, we obviously have to look at the incompetent network administrator."
The administrator didn't cause the mischief, the student did. He disrupted EVERYBODY using a computer on that network. It's roughly the equivalent of blowing a fart sound on his arm in a full classroom.
I agree that the punishment may have been a little heavy (gee, the poor kid stays home and plays his GameCube instead of dealing with bullies at school, the tragedy) but you really shouldn't go blaming the administrator because the kid did something he knew he shouldn't have.
As for the administrator, the whole purpose of a computer network is for the machines to communicate. He could disable net send, whoopee, somebody else would find another way to do it. The computers are there for the students to learn with. Best to teach them good net-iquette than to lock down the machines to the point that they're really not all that useful.
Out of curiosity, did he actually threaten anybody with them, or did he just bring them?
I ask because I remember a situation with a friend of mine back in 1990. (I mention that because this is before Columbine etc, not sure how relevant that is...) His brother borrowed his coat and left a plastic chinese star in it. He discovered it at school and turned it in to a teacher, the point was to stay out of trouble. He was suspended for a day or two over it, believe it or not. I think turning it in was what prevented him from being expelled. There was a gunshot there not too long before that, so everybody was on edge. Dumb ass had a gun in his pants and it went off, hitting him in the thigh. So tensions were a bit high.
Sorry, I'm rambling a bit. This discussion is far more interesting than the problem I'm trying to solve at work.
"Now this, a kid is suspended for doing something not forbidden (oh, they have rules against 'hacking'? Then it's their responsibility to understand the term)."
Just playing devil's advocate here, he did disrupt EVERYBODY using a computer. It's doubtful that typed that in not knowing what the result would be.
I dunno if 3 days is really the right punishment, but the severity of it is understandable. The whole point with using a computer network is to allow the computers to talk to each other. By its very nature, disruptions like these will always be possible. It's the sort of thing you want to crack down on right away before somebody brings a worm to school just for yucks.
So, is suspension the answer? I was suspended from school once. It was in school suspension, but I loved it. No bullies. No homework. I was given a long list of stuff to do and was told "get this done." When I finished, I had 1.5 days to just sit around and draw. A little boring, but preferable to being in class. Sending me home for suspension would have been even better. Frankly, I probably would have net sent too just for a little break. My dad wouldn't have gotten mad at me over that.
"How about emailing the principal of that school and telling him what you think of his actions?"
ooo Good Idea!! I can embed an image hosted on my server, watch the logs, and get his IP address. Then, I can net send him until he capitulates!
Very clever!
"So what's on the outside of this giant gravstar we're in? :) "
A giant marble, and a strap that mysteriously reads "Orion".
"Remember to stock up on Klein bottles now, so you'll have something to drink out of once the kleinstar forms. ;-) "
Heh.
Could a computer animation be made to show this shape in 4 dimensions? Or am I missing the point of the klein bottle?
"Go read the article or paper being cited and then come back"
Man, I'm not even going to bother clicking the link to see if it's Slashdotted.
"It's turtles all the way down!"
"+1 karma to anyone who gets the title of this post"
I can't think of the name of the show, but I remember a related quote: "Tonight I dine on turtle soup."
"Dude... what if, like... our whole universe... is just one tiny atom... in the toenail of some giant dude?"
"Woah, dude."
Dude, Ashton Kutcher just made a cameo on Slashdot. Sweet!
"But if they are wrong, they can also waste valuable research time/money while people look into them. "
You're right. It's more cost effective to just research ideas that are right.
BTW, I'm still waiting for that list of the upcoming unplanned server outages.
"Interesting idea. I wonder how to get per-process firewall functionality on Linux."
That's the beautiful thing about Linux! You can download the source code, write the app, do all the work, and then give it away for free!!
"So why don't you install and use another mail client? "
When Mozilla's mail client manages contacts, calender, todo list, and notes, and then will synch to my PocketPC and cell phone, I'll be happy to consider switching.
And no, I'm not trolling, I really do use all these features. Outlook 98/2000/XP is a very robust app despite it's security flaws.
"iPod (Score:5, Troll)"
Man, there's something for the ol' resume. "Once got a +5 Troll on Slashdot!"
"At least in a server environment, I don't see the requirement for many gigs of memory (on a single chip no less) without also having better technology to access it quickly."
That's because we don't have that much RAM to fill. I hate to think about how much less porn I'd have if not for JPEG.
"Feel free to contribute."
I, for one, welcome our nano..
ah screw it. You're right, it's covered.
"well just wait till they pop one of these into an iPod you be able to store like 1 million songs. on that thing."
Troll? Why are the dudes with mod-points so overly jumpy about Apple products?
Lighten up.
"Or even maybe implant it in your body."
I'll pass on the Kray Suppository, thank you.
Just struck me as a little odd that the state of gaming was compared to the 20's instead of the 80's. It seems like in the mid-to-late 80's is when we saw the the start of convincing effects. The result of this was fewer compromises in making a movie with a vision. It wasn't perfect, things still looked fake, but man it just got better and better.
You'll have to pardon me, I just watched the Back to the Future trilogy. Cannot help but be reminded at how refreshing I found those movies when I was a kid. Seems to me that gaming's in that state right now. The graphics are quite sophisticated, the renderings are very close to what the artists intended, but there's still quite a leap to go before we get to 'convining'.
Maybe I'm just focusing on the wrong aspect, though.