"Support is pretty good for most mainstream hardware."
You're right, it's improved considerbly in the last year.
"BTW, the big render farms wouldn't dream of using a Windows back end are currently transitioning from proprietary Unix to Linux, so I think the stability is probably there."
Yep, you're right here too. Like you said, the apps are the big bottleneck atm, and that's melting away every quarter.
No, it's not. You cannot boot Linux or Windows into it without performing some kind of hack.
Wish you guys would take a minute to listen to me instead of jumping to the conclusion that it's a PC simply because it shares some components with it.
" Then you whine because you can dish it out but you can't take it. Time for a serious look in the mirror. "
Right. I took a moment to listen to what you had to say, but you gotta twist it like that. Yeah, I need to take time for a serious look in the mirror. Never mind that I had avenues to keep the argument going.
" i doubt it would be hard for them to port it to Linux.."
They have a network renderer for Lijnux now. Doubt it'll be long before they have the app ported. When that happens, I might just switch. (Although my recent experience with Linux isn't exactly getting me excited about that. It's a pain in the ass.)
"Do you know how much time I've spent installing patches and rebooting locked/frozen/fried boxes? "
We have NT server (both 2k and 4.0) boxes here. We don't have frozen computers to reboot. Most of our machines here have 90+days uptime. I've seen a couple of them hit 200. Our Linux boxes have to be patched just as the Windows machines do.
" I never have to reboot them. I will repeat that. I NEVER have to reboot them."
I'm glad you're satisfied. You're right, Linux is a much better server OS than any Windows based OS. Truth be told, I wasn't thinking about 2k as a server, but rather as a desktop. I didn't make that clear, though.
"Yes, Windows 2000 is better than Windows 95. Big deal. My wristwatch is better than Windows 95."
"Market put them there? You gotta be fucking kidding. After all they've done to create and keep almost monopoly, you have the guts to say this."
Kidding? Microsoft wasn't born such a big company. There's no possible way they could set out to have a monopoly unless there was genuine market demand. Think about it.
"Is this your genuine opinion or perhaps you're just trolling us all? Whatever the answer, welcome to my foes list."
Yes it's my opinion. I can't say I'm terribly hurt about going on your foes list. If you don't want to listen to anybody who has a differing opinion of you, then you are entirely responsible for your own ignorance. I, for one, wouldn't be so quick to be so closed minded.
"Well, any studio worth their weight in salt does their OWN programming."
That's a little ignorant, don't you think? Not every studio is large and profitable enough to have custom programmers aboard. Yet, strangely enough, they're still talented.
"I guess all these huge studios ported millions of lines of code to Linux because Linux sucks right?"
I didn't bother reading past this. I never said Linux sucks. I never said it didn't deserve to be in a good place with these studios. Nor did I badmouth Linux in any concievable way. I corrected your misconception.
I agree with you on most points here. This one in particular:
"Linux has proven itself as an OS. What it hasn't done is proven itself as an "environment" to the computer using population...I don't want to run Gimp, I want Photoshop. I don't want Audacity, I want SoundForge. I don't want v.03 software that sorta works like the software that costs big bucks at any price, even free. "
"ok, so doing the above is not enough to turn the pc I built into a game console, I have to make a dvd player... oops that's an app. ok I have to make an ip stack for network gam... oops that's application. oh right, I have to make nothing but games for the above pc with a flashed bios in a set top case. The software I write for it (disregarding everything anyone else writes for it) magically transforms that pc into a game console. Gotcha."
So the Playstation 2 is a computer then?
"Gee I thought I'd have to do something difficult like sony and nintendo did and actually produce an architecture instead of just loading a different bios on pc hardware. silly me."
" But then again, find me a linux driver MADE BY MICROSOFT for any microsoft produced hardware??"
What obligation does Microsoft have to do that? What has Microsoft done to prevent them from writing tha driver? I've got news for you, not that many hardware manufacturers support Linux.
" I challenge you to find an action microsoft has taken that WASN'T crooked and windows centric."
I got a better idea: Explain to me why Microsoft could have attained monopoly status without a lot of people saying "we want this."
"Well you are the odd-ball then since most of hollywood is using Linux to do full production of movies. Linux in Hollywood."
RTFA. It doesn't say most of Hollywood, it says most of the studios who do their own programming.
3D Studio MAX, last I checked, was the most popular 3D package of them all as in copies sold. It's Windows only. Lightwave has a good share of the market too, it's Windows and Mac only.
So no, I'm no the oddball. I'm in the norm. Incidently, Hollywood is not the entire 3D market.
"ok, so let me get this straight, if I buy 1u server componenets and build it into a small case, flash a proprietary bios with DRM and call it a game console, that means it's not a pc anymore?"
No. When you build a machine and strictly make nothing but games for it, then it's a game console. We're not talking about a difficult equation here.
"Most of slashdot is disillusioned, thinking windows is 100% shitty."
There's some truth to that. I'm sitting here using Windows 2000, but most of the Slashdotters stopped using Windows back at 95 or 98. Those OS's were 100% shitty. I will never defend either of them (or ME) because they really were incredibly unstable.
Then the switch to Linux happens, and nobody has sat down and used Windows 2000. So they have no idea that the stability is a hell of a lot greater (it's based on NT instead of DOS) or that work can actually be done about it.
I can't say I blame a lot of the peeps here who think the BSOD jokes are funny. I wish they'd understand that Windows development didn't suddenly stop in 1998, though.
Slashdot Mirror
Uh thank ya. *hopin that's not sarcasm* ;)
"Support is pretty good for most mainstream hardware."
You're right, it's improved considerbly in the last year.
"BTW, the big render farms wouldn't dream of using a Windows back end are currently transitioning from proprietary Unix to Linux, so I think the stability is probably there."
Yep, you're right here too. Like you said, the apps are the big bottleneck atm, and that's melting away every quarter.
"The Xbox is an ibm pc compatible"
No, it's not. You cannot boot Linux or Windows into it without performing some kind of hack.
Wish you guys would take a minute to listen to me instead of jumping to the conclusion that it's a PC simply because it shares some components with it.
" Then you whine because you can dish it out but you can't take it. Time for a serious look in the mirror. "
Right. I took a moment to listen to what you had to say, but you gotta twist it like that. Yeah, I need to take time for a serious look in the mirror. Never mind that I had avenues to keep the argument going.
"Oh, so when I bought my I-Opener, it wasn't a computer because the designers didn't intend me to use it that way? "
That was a general computing device.
"It's a bit like arguing that wearing a chastity belt makes someone a virgin."
Nope. It's more like arguing that a man is a woman because they share similar parts.
" i doubt it would be hard for them to port it to Linux.."
They have a network renderer for Lijnux now. Doubt it'll be long before they have the app ported. When that happens, I might just switch. (Although my recent experience with Linux isn't exactly getting me excited about that. It's a pain in the ass.)
"Do you know how much time I've spent installing patches and rebooting locked/frozen/fried boxes? "
We have NT server (both 2k and 4.0) boxes here. We don't have frozen computers to reboot. Most of our machines here have 90+days uptime. I've seen a couple of them hit 200. Our Linux boxes have to be patched just as the Windows machines do.
" I never have to reboot them. I will repeat that. I NEVER have to reboot them."
I'm glad you're satisfied. You're right, Linux is a much better server OS than any Windows based OS. Truth be told, I wasn't thinking about 2k as a server, but rather as a desktop. I didn't make that clear, though.
"Yes, Windows 2000 is better than Windows 95. Big deal. My wristwatch is better than Windows 95."
*yawn*
"Market put them there? You gotta be fucking kidding. After all they've done to create and keep almost monopoly, you have the guts to say this."
Kidding? Microsoft wasn't born such a big company. There's no possible way they could set out to have a monopoly unless there was genuine market demand. Think about it.
"Is this your genuine opinion or perhaps you're just trolling us all? Whatever the answer, welcome to my foes list."
Yes it's my opinion. I can't say I'm terribly hurt about going on your foes list. If you don't want to listen to anybody who has a differing opinion of you, then you are entirely responsible for your own ignorance. I, for one, wouldn't be so quick to be so closed minded.
"Well, any studio worth their weight in salt does their OWN programming."
That's a little ignorant, don't you think? Not every studio is large and profitable enough to have custom programmers aboard. Yet, strangely enough, they're still talented.
"I guess all these huge studios ported millions of lines of code to Linux because Linux sucks right?"
I didn't bother reading past this. I never said Linux sucks. I never said it didn't deserve to be in a good place with these studios. Nor did I badmouth Linux in any concievable way. I corrected your misconception.
Don't be such a zealot.
I asked a question, and your answer opened my eyes to something I wasn't aware of. I would have thanked you except you had to be an asshole about it.
I agree with you on most points here. This one in particular:
"Linux has proven itself as an OS. What it hasn't done is proven itself as an "environment" to the computer using population...I don't want to run Gimp, I want Photoshop. I don't want Audacity, I want SoundForge. I don't want v.03 software that sorta works like the software that costs big bucks at any price, even free. "
You said it much better than I can, kudos.
"ok, so doing the above is not enough to turn the pc I built into a game console, I have to make a dvd player... oops that's an app. ok I have to make an ip stack for network gam... oops that's application. oh right, I have to make nothing but games for the above pc with a flashed bios in a set top case. The software I write for it (disregarding everything anyone else writes for it) magically transforms that pc into a game console. Gotcha."
So the Playstation 2 is a computer then?
"Gee I thought I'd have to do something difficult like sony and nintendo did and actually produce an architecture instead of just loading a different bios on pc hardware. silly me."
Not much of a rebuttal there.
"The galaxy in question is supposedly called the "Beowulf Cluster" ;-)"
heh!
I wonder if that's far enough to find the people who find overlords jokes funny.
Hey McBride! Catch!
"Dude, get a Mac."
My computer works. Why should I spent all that money? I'd gain nothing by it, but I'd certainly lose a lot .
"Exactly how much power does Microsoft have to acquire before you'll decide to act?"
The market put them there, so I don't give a flying fuck. I'm not just going to automatically hate everything they do.
" But then again, find me a linux driver MADE BY MICROSOFT for any microsoft produced hardware??"
What obligation does Microsoft have to do that? What has Microsoft done to prevent them from writing tha driver? I've got news for you, not that many hardware manufacturers support Linux.
" I challenge you to find an action microsoft has taken that WASN'T crooked and windows centric."
I got a better idea: Explain to me why Microsoft could have attained monopoly status without a lot of people saying "we want this."
"Well you are the odd-ball then since most of hollywood is using Linux to do full production of movies. Linux in Hollywood."
RTFA. It doesn't say most of Hollywood, it says most of the studios who do their own programming.
3D Studio MAX, last I checked, was the most popular 3D package of them all as in copies sold. It's Windows only. Lightwave has a good share of the market too, it's Windows and Mac only.
So no, I'm no the oddball. I'm in the norm. Incidently, Hollywood is not the entire 3D market.
"ok, so let me get this straight, if I buy 1u server componenets and build it into a small case, flash a proprietary bios with DRM and call it a game console, that means it's not a pc anymore?"
No. When you build a machine and strictly make nothing but games for it, then it's a game console. We're not talking about a difficult equation here.
"Hey, look! It's Bill's dick, lodged up NanoGator's ass!"
Yeah, you're really winning the argument if you are using the award winning strategy of saying your opponent is having sex with Bill Gates.
I'm surprise Linus lets you talk with your mouth full.
"Most of slashdot is disillusioned, thinking windows is 100% shitty."
There's some truth to that. I'm sitting here using Windows 2000, but most of the Slashdotters stopped using Windows back at 95 or 98. Those OS's were 100% shitty. I will never defend either of them (or ME) because they really were incredibly unstable.
Then the switch to Linux happens, and nobody has sat down and used Windows 2000. So they have no idea that the stability is a hell of a lot greater (it's based on NT instead of DOS) or that work can actually be done about it.
I can't say I blame a lot of the peeps here who think the BSOD jokes are funny. I wish they'd understand that Windows development didn't suddenly stop in 1998, though.
"Is this guy sucking Bill's dick or what?"
You automatically lose when your rebuttall is to accuse somebody of working for Microsoft.
"That is, that an admonished monopoly succeeds in pushing its second rate software becuase of idiot consumers just like nonagator."
I'm an idiot because I don't agree with you?
"Life forms.... You tiny little life forms..... You precious little life forms.... Where are you?"
Damn, just broke the law.