Mod parent up. It seems that the "Estonian Cyberwar" has got just as much legs, as urban legends go, as the "Obama's secretly a muslim" bit of nonsense.
(I don't personally care for some of Obama's policies, but fer heaven's sake, there's plenty to criticize without making stuff up...)
I stand corrected. The difference in tech levels (and further, the governments' understanding of said tech) amongst countries is extremely pertinent to the issue at hand.
I personally think that the understanding is more important than the tech level insert series of tubes comment here.
The real sticky part though is how the law will cross borders. Cyber warfare knows no borders, so what would our government do if someone from Iran came calling to arrest one of our own on such charges?
It wouldn't be pretty, that's for sure--probably some sort of extradition amongst allied countries, o'course, but with hostile countries, it could lead to a meatspace conflict of some kind should it escalate far enough.
But what exactly would be considered an 'act of war' in such a situation, anyway? Would it have to cause some form of physical or financial damage to a person or institution in the country being attacked? Or would merely an "illegal border crossing" (e.g. gaining access to a server) be sufficient?
Exactly why I get the screaming heebeejeebies about how our gov't would treat someone classed as an 'enemy cyber combatant'--and what would the proof be? Connecting to a 'foreign' IP address?
I dare say that any "cyberwarrior" would not have a recognizable uniform, and as such, would probably be classed as an 'enemy combatant' by the gov't...which gives me the screaming blue creevles, given the gov't's current attitude towards anyone they suspect to be such an 'enemy combatant'--Guantanamo Bay doesn't have broadband, does it? Will they torture this new class of enemy combatant by making them dial into AOL with a 300 baud modem on a keyboard with a broken shift/caps key?
The official position of the Catholic Church, IIRC, is that animals do not have a soul--so no problem there; just define any artificially created lifeforms as non-human animals, and then you'll have no theological problems.
Not sure about how the other 5/6 of the world's population would think about it, though.
I'd not take that therapy, m'self--I've got AB+, so you can throw pretty much anything into me and I'll take it. Also, it's not just the blood type of the red cells that matters--the plasma has a type, as well, and it turns out that AB+ plasma can be given to anyone without any trouble.
In addition, there are other possible consequences--some blood types, for instance, survive Bubonic Plague a lot more than other blood types, due to the similarity of surface proteins between certain kinds of blood cells and those found on plague bacteria--changing everyone to the same blood type would thus increase the likelihood that some lucky bacterium could wipe out the human race with a fortuitous mutation.;-p
I'd beg to differ--it's a lot more like a reinstall, because if it was a system restore, she'd have her old liver back. This is more like a patch followed by a virus followed by a manual reinstall of the AV program, which then takes the current contents of the registry as canonical. I guess it only remains to determine what OS this girl's running...
Perhaps it has something to do with the virus she caught--it suppressed the immune system to the point where it had to 'reboot', as it were, and apparently recognized the new hardware on boot?
Which would seem to indicate that the immune system BIOS has some kind of PnP support--I guess that'd explain some of the viruses...
Oh, entirely possible, but that wouldn't explain how she's doing well without the anti-rejection medications--and something tells me that for things like organ transplants, they may test blood type more than once...
Sounds like carbosilicate amorph warfare to me...but then, who'dathunk that the Australians would go in for that schlock?
Actually, if memory serves, NPR had a short bit on a treatment for negating the need for anti-rejection drugs in kidney transplants--they not only transplanted the kidney, but also bone marrow from the donor, and 5 patients out of 6 were able to go off the anti-rejection drugs.
Why? Your proposal costs money to all manner of large corporations, whereas the present system means that people will be buying new TVs--hence giving the economy a boost, just like the gov't wants.
O'course, someone with a bit of wherewithal and some contacts could perhaps convince the various networks and production companies and whatnot to sponsor the distribution of said converter boxes--prominently labeled with the logo of the network or production company. Kinda like the Y2K business in duration, but a great advertising opportunity, and it'd be possible to leverage that into some sort of related business.
If y'all do a little research, you might be surprised as to how diverse Anonymous is. As cabals go, they're not that bad...the only problem is that Anonymous tends to have a touch of ADD, so we'll see how long this goes for--probably, until about five minutes after it stops being funny.
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Also explains politicians, end users, and certain lawyers and judges.
And possibly the RIAA.
Mod parent up. It seems that the "Estonian Cyberwar" has got just as much legs, as urban legends go, as the "Obama's secretly a muslim" bit of nonsense.
(I don't personally care for some of Obama's policies, but fer heaven's sake, there's plenty to criticize without making stuff up...)
Should keep the philosophers and theologians at each other's throat for a long while, anyway.
I stand corrected. The difference in tech levels (and further, the governments' understanding of said tech) amongst countries is extremely pertinent to the issue at hand.
I personally think that the understanding is more important than the tech level insert series of tubes comment here.
It wouldn't be pretty, that's for sure--probably some sort of extradition amongst allied countries, o'course, but with hostile countries, it could lead to a meatspace conflict of some kind should it escalate far enough.
But what exactly would be considered an 'act of war' in such a situation, anyway? Would it have to cause some form of physical or financial damage to a person or institution in the country being attacked? Or would merely an "illegal border crossing" (e.g. gaining access to a server) be sufficient?
Exactly why I get the screaming heebeejeebies about how our gov't would treat someone classed as an 'enemy cyber combatant'--and what would the proof be? Connecting to a 'foreign' IP address?
Existing laws can't be made to fit the crimes of cyberwarfare without extensive revision.
I dare say that any "cyberwarrior" would not have a recognizable uniform, and as such, would probably be classed as an 'enemy combatant' by the gov't...which gives me the screaming blue creevles, given the gov't's current attitude towards anyone they suspect to be such an 'enemy combatant'--Guantanamo Bay doesn't have broadband, does it? Will they torture this new class of enemy combatant by making them dial into AOL with a 300 baud modem on a keyboard with a broken shift/caps key?
The official position of the Catholic Church, IIRC, is that animals do not have a soul--so no problem there; just define any artificially created lifeforms as non-human animals, and then you'll have no theological problems.
Not sure about how the other 5/6 of the world's population would think about it, though.
If 'grey goo' could happen from nanotech or biotech, then bacteria would have done it already.
So far, all that's happened is some assorted earthtone sludge.
Such a thing would be a fitting tribute to the FSM (may his noodly appendage touch all!)
Ain't the software that's at fault here--it's people who give out their root passwords, or have easily cracked root passwords.
IIS are serious server. This are serious thread.
Good idea. You don't know where it's been...
It would be entirely too literal, that's for sure...
I'd not take that therapy, m'self--I've got AB+, so you can throw pretty much anything into me and I'll take it. Also, it's not just the blood type of the red cells that matters--the plasma has a type, as well, and it turns out that AB+ plasma can be given to anyone without any trouble.
;-p
In addition, there are other possible consequences--some blood types, for instance, survive Bubonic Plague a lot more than other blood types, due to the similarity of surface proteins between certain kinds of blood cells and those found on plague bacteria--changing everyone to the same blood type would thus increase the likelihood that some lucky bacterium could wipe out the human race with a fortuitous mutation.
I'd beg to differ--it's a lot more like a reinstall, because if it was a system restore, she'd have her old liver back. This is more like a patch followed by a virus followed by a manual reinstall of the AV program, which then takes the current contents of the registry as canonical. I guess it only remains to determine what OS this girl's running...
I really don't see that happening. The best along that line that you could hope for would be a mild to moderate case of chimerism.
Perhaps it has something to do with the virus she caught--it suppressed the immune system to the point where it had to 'reboot', as it were, and apparently recognized the new hardware on boot?
Which would seem to indicate that the immune system BIOS has some kind of PnP support--I guess that'd explain some of the viruses...
Oh, entirely possible, but that wouldn't explain how she's doing well without the anti-rejection medications--and something tells me that for things like organ transplants, they may test blood type more than once...
Sounds like carbosilicate amorph warfare to me...but then, who'dathunk that the Australians would go in for that schlock?
Actually, if memory serves, NPR had a short bit on a treatment for negating the need for anti-rejection drugs in kidney transplants--they not only transplanted the kidney, but also bone marrow from the donor, and 5 patients out of 6 were able to go off the anti-rejection drugs.
Why? Your proposal costs money to all manner of large corporations, whereas the present system means that people will be buying new TVs--hence giving the economy a boost, just like the gov't wants.
O'course, someone with a bit of wherewithal and some contacts could perhaps convince the various networks and production companies and whatnot to sponsor the distribution of said converter boxes--prominently labeled with the logo of the network or production company. Kinda like the Y2K business in duration, but a great advertising opportunity, and it'd be possible to leverage that into some sort of related business.
Looks like a ytpo to me. ;-p
If y'all do a little research, you might be surprised as to how diverse Anonymous is. As cabals go, they're not that bad...the only problem is that Anonymous tends to have a touch of ADD, so we'll see how long this goes for--probably, until about five minutes after it stops being funny.
For that event? Still worth it.