All right, I see tasering, beating, and kicking, but where's the execution? And by execution, I mean on-the-spot, declared-guilty-under-law-and-shot-in-the-head kind, not the "the cop got acquitted in court after a year by a jury of civilians" kind.
I guess you didn't RTFA (Don't feel bad -- I only got 80% through before throwing in the towel). OGM's status is thoroughly explained, and the author talks about adding indexes in the next version of OGG, due to concerns about HTTP over satellite.
Or execute you on the spot and then plant drugs on you, like the Thai police did during the former PM's "war on drugs." I'm sure it happens in the U.S. once in a while, but not to a thousand people in a year.
We're not talking about consumer-facing web apps here. The corporations could have chosen any browser they wanted for their intranet (or even a completely different model like client-server), but they chose IE6, which many of us were screaming about at the time but were shushed with "It'll be OK."
Now we get to do our "I told you so" dance. No, it's not pretty, but I'm dancing, anyway.
I went to Freelancer today because I'm out of work until August, and I thought I'd make some money writing (not coding). I soon figured out why the web is such a crap place to look at.
Most of the writing was for SEO. Fifty 4-500 word articles for $1 each. I could work all day and not make enough to live in SE Asia. Quite a few of the offers were actually quite scummy: create 100 Twitter or Facebook accounts with at least 30 followers each, for example. They were obvious spam jobs. Others were for astroturfing. Every job had thirty bids.
After about twenty minutes, I felt dirty and just gave up.
This is slightly off-topic since it relates to Freelancer.com, but I think I'm in the ballpark topic about IE6 and roping yourself into crap solutions by worrying about saving a penny. Mod me if you wish.
I heard that a couple of weeks ago. The news was that IBM was basically forcing migration to Symphony and aggressively trying to dogfood. I hope they make it. It can't hurt their product.
If this works as well for other sites as it did for you, you should go into business. "Free" businesses from their dependence on IE6. I'm sure you could make some serious money.
IE6, Netscape 6.2, and Opera 6 were all released within a month of each other (Oct-Nov 2001). Are you saying Opera wasn't a good browser? OK, it wasn't free. Netscape 6.2 use Gecko 0.9.4, and had eliminated all of the "it's a dog" problems from Netscape 6.0. Gecko and KHTML were the two most standards-compliant layout engines at the time.
Don't re-write history: people used IE6 because it was the default browser on Windows, which most people used. That's the only reason IE6 won in the corporate space. Laziness.
Example from real life. I was in an expat community in Korea that used Facebook to organize and share. One night, a bunch of them went to Busan for some partying, and a mate of mine got completely hammered, as usual. His gal went home early, and he ended up making out with another gal in the expat community. The picture of them on the karaoke sofa went up on Facebook. Soon after, it was tagged. Within five minutes, it had been untagged, but everyone knew by that point, including people who weren't in Busan... and, of course, his gal.
Yeah, that was fun. O_o. What a Christmas party that situation made.
If you're really interested in this, you need to check out the http://activitystrea.ms/ and Social@xmpp.org mailing lists. The former is more what you're talking about here, but the latter is also about federated social networking.
The solution is to create a standard and build it into browsers. I know! It's bloat, but your browser is already trying to handle your Internet communication and your online identity (through remembering all your passwords). Why not give the browser the tools it needs to do these things effectively? Whether it's got the IM portion of the spec built in or not, I couldn't care less.
Can you have a conference call with one contact from one network and a second contact from another network? Can you introduce them and ask them to talk to each other without one of them switching services? No? Then multi-protocol clients don't solve the problem.
Aggregators and multi-clients aren't the answer. We need a single protocol.
What we need is a standard. Look at the social@xmpp.org email list for a discussion. Using XMPP, OpenID, and OAuth, you could pretty much solve this problem. Look, someone has!
Not parties, but phone and IM. I can't stay on for more than five minutes without making an excuse to hang up or log out. There's only one person who breaks that rule for me: I can talk to her for about an hour, but not significantly more.
I know a lot of people have given you crap about this choice, but I think it's great. We should all have the freedom to have our blog wherever we want, post our pictures and videos to any service (even our own server), and set up events on any calendar without being shut out of social sites. I shouldn't have to have twenty-five accounts. I've given up several in the last few months, and am glad to see a move to OpenID and OAuth by sites like Twitter.
That's not enough, though. We need glue, too. I'm a big proponent of an open, federated social networking standard. I think we (techies) should look at http://www.onesocialweb.org/ for inspiration.
I also think that whatever this standard ends up being, it should be built into web browsers (with profiles and private browsing, of course) so that online identity becomes more reachable. I wrote an open letter to Mozilla and Google about it.
Next time, throw it in a bag of rice really quickly and leave it there for a few days. Ir you could seal it with a bunch of those silica bags that you're not supposed to eat.
Mike Cox? Is that you? Where have you been, buddy? You need to get back over to ZDNet, because they're dying without you. Loverock just can't fill your shoes!
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All right, I see tasering, beating, and kicking, but where's the execution? And by execution, I mean on-the-spot, declared-guilty-under-law-and-shot-in-the-head kind, not the "the cop got acquitted in court after a year by a jury of civilians" kind.
I guess you didn't RTFA (Don't feel bad -- I only got 80% through before throwing in the towel). OGM's status is thoroughly explained, and the author talks about adding indexes in the next version of OGG, due to concerns about HTTP over satellite.
Or execute you on the spot and then plant drugs on you, like the Thai police did during the former PM's "war on drugs." I'm sure it happens in the U.S. once in a while, but not to a thousand people in a year.
We're not talking about consumer-facing web apps here. The corporations could have chosen any browser they wanted for their intranet (or even a completely different model like client-server), but they chose IE6, which many of us were screaming about at the time but were shushed with "It'll be OK."
Now we get to do our "I told you so" dance. No, it's not pretty, but I'm dancing, anyway.
Merchandising, where the real money from the movie is made.
Google is doing its part.
I require that you cast Wallace Shawn as the Bean Counter!
I went to Freelancer today because I'm out of work until August, and I thought I'd make some money writing (not coding). I soon figured out why the web is such a crap place to look at.
Most of the writing was for SEO. Fifty 4-500 word articles for $1 each. I could work all day and not make enough to live in SE Asia. Quite a few of the offers were actually quite scummy: create 100 Twitter or Facebook accounts with at least 30 followers each, for example. They were obvious spam jobs. Others were for astroturfing. Every job had thirty bids.
After about twenty minutes, I felt dirty and just gave up.
This is slightly off-topic since it relates to Freelancer.com, but I think I'm in the ballpark topic about IE6 and roping yourself into crap solutions by worrying about saving a penny. Mod me if you wish.
I heard that a couple of weeks ago. The news was that IBM was basically forcing migration to Symphony and aggressively trying to dogfood. I hope they make it. It can't hurt their product.
If this works as well for other sites as it did for you, you should go into business. "Free" businesses from their dependence on IE6. I'm sure you could make some serious money.
There's you fortune! Create an IE6+VB to HTML5+Ajax conversion tool. You'll be rich. It'll be like Y2K all over again. (Should be easy .... O_o)
So, let me get this straight:
Some smart company is going to eat that other company's lunch. It's deserved, too.
IE6, Netscape 6.2, and Opera 6 were all released within a month of each other (Oct-Nov 2001). Are you saying Opera wasn't a good browser? OK, it wasn't free. Netscape 6.2 use Gecko 0.9.4, and had eliminated all of the "it's a dog" problems from Netscape 6.0. Gecko and KHTML were the two most standards-compliant layout engines at the time.
Don't re-write history: people used IE6 because it was the default browser on Windows, which most people used. That's the only reason IE6 won in the corporate space. Laziness.
I suppose you also want to "take back" porch monkey. O_o
Example from real life. I was in an expat community in Korea that used Facebook to organize and share. One night, a bunch of them went to Busan for some partying, and a mate of mine got completely hammered, as usual. His gal went home early, and he ended up making out with another gal in the expat community. The picture of them on the karaoke sofa went up on Facebook. Soon after, it was tagged. Within five minutes, it had been untagged, but everyone knew by that point, including people who weren't in Busan ... and, of course, his gal.
Yeah, that was fun. O_o. What a Christmas party that situation made.
If you're really interested in this, you need to check out the http://activitystrea.ms/ and Social@xmpp.org mailing lists. The former is more what you're talking about here, but the latter is also about federated social networking.
The solution is to create a standard and build it into browsers. I know! It's bloat, but your browser is already trying to handle your Internet communication and your online identity (through remembering all your passwords). Why not give the browser the tools it needs to do these things effectively? Whether it's got the IM portion of the spec built in or not, I couldn't care less.
Can you have a conference call with one contact from one network and a second contact from another network? Can you introduce them and ask them to talk to each other without one of them switching services? No? Then multi-protocol clients don't solve the problem.
Aggregators and multi-clients aren't the answer. We need a single protocol.
What we need is a standard. Look at the social@xmpp.org email list for a discussion. Using XMPP, OpenID, and OAuth, you could pretty much solve this problem. Look, someone has!
Not parties, but phone and IM. I can't stay on for more than five minutes without making an excuse to hang up or log out. There's only one person who breaks that rule for me: I can talk to her for about an hour, but not significantly more.
It's easy to write what you are thinking, but not to communicate an idea.
Just look at Joyce's work. QED
I know a lot of people have given you crap about this choice, but I think it's great. We should all have the freedom to have our blog wherever we want, post our pictures and videos to any service (even our own server), and set up events on any calendar without being shut out of social sites. I shouldn't have to have twenty-five accounts. I've given up several in the last few months, and am glad to see a move to OpenID and OAuth by sites like Twitter.
That's not enough, though. We need glue, too. I'm a big proponent of an open, federated social networking standard. I think we (techies) should look at http://www.onesocialweb.org/ for inspiration.
I also think that whatever this standard ends up being, it should be built into web browsers (with profiles and private browsing, of course) so that online identity becomes more reachable. I wrote an open letter to Mozilla and Google about it.
Next time, throw it in a bag of rice really quickly and leave it there for a few days. Ir you could seal it with a bunch of those silica bags that you're not supposed to eat.
Listen, it's not the most "hobby" OS: it's the OS used by people as a hobby (i.e. hobbyists).
Mike Cox? Is that you? Where have you been, buddy? You need to get back over to ZDNet, because they're dying without you. Loverock just can't fill your shoes!