I'm not arguing with you. I face the same issue. I was just clarifying that the Linux kernel doesn't handle these things so you can't request drivers for them from the developers mentioned in the article.
Maybe in a few years somebody will come up with a Linux driver that actually works.
But... again... not a Linux driver issue. If the printer doesn't work with CUPS, it doesn't work on OS X, either, because CUPS is what OS X uses for its printing system. As more manufacturers support either Mac or a Linux OS, this printer issue should disappear. We're still left with scanners, though.
That's not a Linux driver issue. Linux is a kernel. Printer drivers fall under CUPS. Scanners fall under SANE. It would be foolish to suggest that printer or scanner support is good.
BTW, I hate Samsung. The printers. The hard disks. The phones. The cameras. Everything made by them. Hate. Hate. Hate. Just about everything they make is "Windows only."
Since the eight versions of Windows are basically market segmentation by a single vendor, I don't think the two situations are analogous. Certainly no one is bitching that there are too many car makers and brands of cars, are they? (Required/. car analogy)
The point is that any of the low-spec distros would have worked. What he did was the equivalent of putting XP on a Windows 2000-era desktop because he heard that XP was lighter than Vista.
It amazes me that so many sys admins are worried about the availability of Google, which is a company that bases its whole existence on clustering and high-availability.
I want to know how many of these guys have over three nines in-house. I smell a conflict of interest in their responses.
The problem with your argument is that there are about 800 distros which already meet his needs and which don't require him to do anything. I'm going to recommend Slitax. OpenBox and FF3 in a 25MB.iso.
I have three laptops with similar specs right now. Debian Lenny + LXDE works great for them. FF3 is fine if you don't open more than two tabs. LXDE is a nice, fully-functional desktop based on OpenBox and following Freedesktop.org specs. The difference to Gnome is minimal.
In short, ALSA is a dependency for GDM. That's why it would be removed along with ALSA. Would you prefer the system keep GDM but leave it broken?
#2)
ALSA and GDM are dependencies for Ubuntu-Desktop, but that is a virtual package and doesn't actually provide any functionality of its own. Removing it will affect nothing.
You don't need a utility to make a smaller system with Ubuntu because there's an install disk which does that for you. You install the base system with an Alternate install disk then add only the stuff you want. You cn then create a live CD from that smaller system and install the live CD on other machines.
Starting small and building up is always better than starting large and cutting down.
Since Vista SP1 and XP SP3 benchmark really closely, I think you can assume that the 18% lead Ubuntu 8.10 has over Vista will translate into a similar lead over XP SP3.
I take objection to your "OSS" doesn't innovate line (that I hear way too often). Let me run down some stuff:
Gnome and Fedora's online desktop. No one has anything like it.
The KParts in KDE for years (I don't know if KDE4 is still using it).
The Dashboard that Gnome developed in 2004 for viewing your documents and contacts symantically.
The Telepathy backend.
The original BitTorrent client and protocol.
Everything, Wikis, and Wikipedia.
The Hurd. Yes, I said it. It didn't get finished, but it didn't copy anyone.
A plethora of other stuff which was really too revolutionary to be accepted and ended up dying off because it didn't fit in the WIMP mold.
FOSS comes up with innovative new stuff all the time. The problem with really innovative stuff, though, is that people aren't used to it and don't accept it easily.
Does Canonical actually have people on staff who can do kernel stuff? Based on the way most bugs are generally pushed upstream and put on hold until a fix comes down, I assumed that Canonical didn't have this kind of staff. I'd be interested to hear real numbers, though, and be proven wrong.
Wow. I think you're very confused. Debian is trying to keep to an 18-month release cycle, but they never make it and generally hit two years. That is, if they don't hit three. You must be remembering some other distro.
Cool news for you, then. The Fluendo codecs are in the Ubuntu store, so they can be purchased. On top of that, the GStreamer codec installer now offers to install the illegal (but free) codecs for you and also shows a button to purchase codecs from the store.
In short, when you try to play basically any media, the codec installer will pop up and you'll get codecs exactly the way you want them.
This thread goes almost halfway down the page, and I'm the only one who is going to point out that apt-p2p doesn't use bittorrent as the OP (and TorrentFreak) claimed?
It uses a completely new P2P protocol inspired by bittorrent. It's described right in the abstract (warning: link to PDF). Just think about it.... The mirrors are the seeds, but they don't host trackers or run BT clients.
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Calm down. It was a funny. You're not new here. Why the thin skin?
Apologies for upsetting you, though.
I'm not arguing with you. I face the same issue. I was just clarifying that the Linux kernel doesn't handle these things so you can't request drivers for them from the developers mentioned in the article.
... again ... not a Linux driver issue. If the printer doesn't work with CUPS, it doesn't work on OS X, either, because CUPS is what OS X uses for its printing system. As more manufacturers support either Mac or a Linux OS, this printer issue should disappear. We're still left with scanners, though.
Maybe in a few years somebody will come up with a Linux driver that actually works.
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That's not a Linux driver issue. Linux is a kernel. Printer drivers fall under CUPS. Scanners fall under SANE. It would be foolish to suggest that printer or scanner support is good.
BTW, I hate Samsung. The printers. The hard disks. The phones. The cameras. Everything made by them. Hate. Hate. Hate. Just about everything they make is "Windows only."
Yes, I live in Korea.
jav1231:
the guy in #linuxhelp tells me, "Dude, I dunno...mine works!"
... srw:
Hmmm... I've been using the b43 driver since Ubuntu 8.04 came out. It works here.
32 bits should be enough for anybody!
Since the eight versions of Windows are basically market segmentation by a single vendor, I don't think the two situations are analogous. Certainly no one is bitching that there are too many car makers and brands of cars, are they? (Required /. car analogy)
The point is that any of the low-spec distros would have worked. What he did was the equivalent of putting XP on a Windows 2000-era desktop because he heard that XP was lighter than Vista.
I was going to fix the service problem as quickly as possible, but now that you've called and complained, I guess I'll go to lunch instead.
It amazes me that so many sys admins are worried about the availability of Google, which is a company that bases its whole existence on clustering and high-availability.
I want to know how many of these guys have over three nines in-house. I smell a conflict of interest in their responses.
So if somebody is running their business on the free version of Google Apps ...
He/she deserves to lose his/her business. If your business depends on something, you make sure it's reliable. That generally requires money somewhere.
The problem with your argument is that there are about 800 distros which already meet his needs and which don't require him to do anything. I'm going to recommend Slitax. OpenBox and FF3 in a 25MB .iso.
I'm pretty sure you'd need to use XF86 3.X instead of X.org 4.X with only 16MB of RAM. A 2.4 Kernel would probably help even more.
I have three laptops with similar specs right now. Debian Lenny + LXDE works great for them. FF3 is fine if you don't open more than two tabs. LXDE is a nice, fully-functional desktop based on OpenBox and following Freedesktop.org specs. The difference to Gnome is minimal.
#1)
Package: gdm
Priority: optional
Section: gnome
Installed-Size: 15984
Maintainer: Ubuntu Desktop Team
Original-Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers
Architecture: i386
Version: 2.20.8-0ubuntu3
Provides: x-display-manager
Depends: libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libattr1 (>= 2.4.41-1), libc6 (>= 2.7), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.71), libdmx1, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.6.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.11.1), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.14.1), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.21.6), libpixman-1-0, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), librsvg2-2 (>= 2.18.1), libselinux1 (>= 2.0.59), libwrap0 (>= 7.6-4~), libx11-6, libxau6, libxcb-render-util0, libxcb-render0, libxcb1, libxdmcp6, libxext6, libxi6 (>= 2:1.1.3-1ubuntu3), libxinerama1, libxml2 (>= 2.6.27), libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.2.0), libxrender1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, adduser, libpam-modules (>= 0.72-1), libpam-runtime (>= 0.76-13.1), gnome-session | xterm | x-window-manager | x-terminal-emulator, xbase-clients, gksu (>= 1.0.7), lsb-base (>= 3.2-14), librsvg2-common, kbd | console-tools, alsa-utils
In short, ALSA is a dependency for GDM. That's why it would be removed along with ALSA. Would you prefer the system keep GDM but leave it broken?
#2) ALSA and GDM are dependencies for Ubuntu-Desktop, but that is a virtual package and doesn't actually provide any functionality of its own. Removing it will affect nothing.
Another set of benchmarks.
You don't need a utility to make a smaller system with Ubuntu because there's an install disk which does that for you. You install the base system with an Alternate install disk then add only the stuff you want. You cn then create a live CD from that smaller system and install the live CD on other machines.
Starting small and building up is always better than starting large and cutting down.
Since Vista SP1 and XP SP3 benchmark really closely, I think you can assume that the 18% lead Ubuntu 8.10 has over Vista will translate into a similar lead over XP SP3.
Last year, it was zillions, now it's about fifty cents. Times change.
FOSS comes up with innovative new stuff all the time. The problem with really innovative stuff, though, is that people aren't used to it and don't accept it easily.
Does Canonical actually have people on staff who can do kernel stuff? Based on the way most bugs are generally pushed upstream and put on hold until a fix comes down, I assumed that Canonical didn't have this kind of staff. I'd be interested to hear real numbers, though, and be proven wrong.
Wow. I think you're very confused. Debian is trying to keep to an 18-month release cycle, but they never make it and generally hit two years. That is, if they don't hit three. You must be remembering some other distro.
Cool news for you, then. The Fluendo codecs are in the Ubuntu store, so they can be purchased. On top of that, the GStreamer codec installer now offers to install the illegal (but free) codecs for you and also shows a button to purchase codecs from the store.
In short, when you try to play basically any media, the codec installer will pop up and you'll get codecs exactly the way you want them.
This thread goes almost halfway down the page, and I'm the only one who is going to point out that apt-p2p doesn't use bittorrent as the OP (and TorrentFreak) claimed?
.... The mirrors are the seeds, but they don't host trackers or run BT clients.
It uses a completely new P2P protocol inspired by bittorrent. It's described right in the abstract (warning: link to PDF). Just think about it
Since Match Game made it "making whoopie" in the 70s. ;)