The point was to show real-time collaboration as a promo for their service. I would hope that Slashdotters would talk about the collaboration angle in Goole Docs and how it stacks up to other services.
p.s. I'm using only Google Apps this month as an experiment.
Unfortunately, I think only the lower-level employees are required to watch these videos and sign the conduct forms. Based on the e-mails released in this and previous cases, I'd guess that upper management doesn't go near the training room for fear of being struck down by lightning.
I guarantee RH is the most popular in the enterprise, which is how they want it. RH gave up fighting for the Linux desktop, which they see as irrelevant and unprofitable.
So, to answer you question (mark, really), RH has only been "relegated to near irrelevance" on the desktop, and that happened only because they didn't want it.
Google is starting to seriously market their webapps to businesses and schools. The browser is an integral part of that. I'm pretty sure that they're serious about it.
You don't live in Korea, then. Almost everything requires IE, even gov't websites. Oh, and everything requires Flash. I pity the blind and epileptic in this country.
Korea just passed a law requiring all Internet postings to be traceable to a real name and now has "Internet police" to monitor for abusive language and libel. When I tried to talk to my Korean co-worker about how this situation just begged for abuse, she didn't get my point at all.
I don't think most people care. I think most people trust their government, despite evidence of crooked politicians, bad cops, and corporate-government corruption (esp. here in Korea).
I've been using Google Apps a fair amount, but not exclusively, for the last year or so. It takes some adjustment to your work-flow. You need to accept some limitations. Like OO.o, it works best using standard headers instead of trying to do complicated layout. For layout, you download the completed document to OO.o or Word and do final formatting.
The good news is that Docs gets more functionality practically weekly, making the issues I face disappear one by one. When I make a request for an extra function that I know should be implemented fairly easily, it'll almost always show up in the next few months.
At this point, I think I can make it only on Google App, so I'm trying to use it exclusively for the next month.
I use both Google Apps and OO.o. I tend to use GA for everything unless the document need extensive formatting. That, however, is rarely the case.
Coincidentally, I started an experiment on Friday to use only browser-based apps for a month, favoring Google applications wherever possible. The blog of the experience is linked in my sig.
I don't get this. My co-worker recently got MS Office 2007 and it takes almost a minute to start up. 2003 was fast. She doesn't have OO.o, so I can't compare on the same machine, but 2007 seems to take forever.
I understand the intention, but the English syntax doesn't give three reasons -- it gives two. Those reasons are that the trucks will reduce costs and increase availability. The three METHODS (I can capitalize, too!) to get those two reasons are what you mentioned.
Apple didn't "open source" anything. They took an LGPLed program, forked it, and held the source "until it could be cleaned up." Holding it was against the license.
Summary: it was open source code when they took it. They tried to pretend that it wasn't, but it still was.
Core Mozilla project source code is licensed under a disjunctive tri-license giving you the choice of one of the three following sets of free software/open source licensing terms:
Mozilla Public License, version 1.1 or later
GNU General Public License, version 2.0 or later
GNU Lesser General Public License, version 2.1 or later
MPL-licensed code can be combined with proprietary files in a single program. It's even "weaker" copyleft than the LGPL.
But developing a driver in the kernel is completely different from developing a printer driver for CUPS. The skills aren't the same. The same guys don't handle the problem.
What do you want the kernel devs to do? "Hey, I don't know anything about printers, but I should be able to do that."
CUPS has a bunch of guys working on the driver issue, too.
If they really want Linux to make any inroad against MSFT then they need to drop the "not my problem" attitude
No one in the kernel camp is saying that. Maybe you should talk to guys at Red Hat, Novell, or Canonical, because they're the ones worried about displacing MS on the desktop. Whatever you do, don't bring this up to Linus.
Quit trying to blame people who don't handle something. It's like yelling about your oven when your refrigerator is broken. Yeah, they're both in your kitchen, and maybe it makes you feel better, but it doesn't do anything to solve the problem, and if you call an oven repairman, then he'll look at you like you're insane.
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The point was to show real-time collaboration as a promo for their service. I would hope that Slashdotters would talk about the collaboration angle in Goole Docs and how it stacks up to other services.
p.s. I'm using only Google Apps this month as an experiment.
Unfortunately, I think only the lower-level employees are required to watch these videos and sign the conduct forms. Based on the e-mails released in this and previous cases, I'd guess that upper management doesn't go near the training room for fear of being struck down by lightning.
So ... put MSFT into a cold room for a while, play good cop, bad cop, then offer them a plea bargain. ;)
I guarantee RH is the most popular in the enterprise, which is how they want it. RH gave up fighting for the Linux desktop, which they see as irrelevant and unprofitable.
So, to answer you question (mark, really), RH has only been "relegated to near irrelevance" on the desktop, and that happened only because they didn't want it.
Google is starting to seriously market their webapps to businesses and schools. The browser is an integral part of that. I'm pretty sure that they're serious about it.
You don't live in Korea, then. Almost everything requires IE, even gov't websites. Oh, and everything requires Flash. I pity the blind and epileptic in this country.
Korea just passed a law requiring all Internet postings to be traceable to a real name and now has "Internet police" to monitor for abusive language and libel. When I tried to talk to my Korean co-worker about how this situation just begged for abuse, she didn't get my point at all.
I don't think most people care. I think most people trust their government, despite evidence of crooked politicians, bad cops, and corporate-government corruption (esp. here in Korea).
I don't get it at all.
Yes. Work is all XP. Interesting that it's slower than Vista for Office 2007.
I've been using Google Apps a fair amount, but not exclusively, for the last year or so. It takes some adjustment to your work-flow. You need to accept some limitations. Like OO.o, it works best using standard headers instead of trying to do complicated layout. For layout, you download the completed document to OO.o or Word and do final formatting.
The good news is that Docs gets more functionality practically weekly, making the issues I face disappear one by one. When I make a request for an extra function that I know should be implemented fairly easily, it'll almost always show up in the next few months.
At this point, I think I can make it only on Google App, so I'm trying to use it exclusively for the next month.
I use both Google Apps and OO.o. I tend to use GA for everything unless the document need extensive formatting. That, however, is rarely the case.
Coincidentally, I started an experiment on Friday to use only browser-based apps for a month, favoring Google applications wherever possible. The blog of the experience is linked in my sig.
I don't get this. My co-worker recently got MS Office 2007 and it takes almost a minute to start up. 2003 was fast. She doesn't have OO.o, so I can't compare on the same machine, but 2007 seems to take forever.
Why would you need to merge? Documents aren't checked out. They're collaborated on in real time.
I use GA for exactly what the GP said -- limited-formatting editing for content, not style. Download the final document and pretty it up.
Is anyone still using one of those things? Why?
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Very annoying, but can also be very useful.
I'm completely with you. I had pagers until 2001 or so. I sometimes still mention that I prefer them to cells, which I don't use much, anyway.
... there should be some providers out there.
Hospitals still use pagers, right? So
Fewer than seven digits these days .... ;)
You have to remember when they were on sale before the first dot-bomb, right? Quite expensive, too, if I remember. Or didn't you buy yours?
Getting modded down consistently ruins your Karma (I pine for the days when Karma was still a number and could be lauded over others ... hehe)
I miss the number. It was like having a "Geekiness" stat on your D&D character.
Note: This is my second account for the same reason that others have mentioned.
I suggest we finger the GNAA guys as responsible for this one.
I understand the intention, but the English syntax doesn't give three reasons -- it gives two. Those reasons are that the trucks will reduce costs and increase availability. The three METHODS (I can capitalize, too!) to get those two reasons are what you mentioned.
Yes, I was being pedantic, but I wasn't trolling.
Both companies are transforming their trucks into 'robots' for three reasons. Improvements ... will reduce costs and increase availability.
That looks like two reasons, not three.
You just need to have structure enforced. Us OO.o with only headings, or use Google Docs. There's almost no formatting available there at all. ;)
Apple didn't "open source" anything. They took an LGPLed program, forked it, and held the source "until it could be cleaned up." Holding it was against the license.
Summary: it was open source code when they took it. They tried to pretend that it wasn't, but it still was.
Core Mozilla project source code is licensed under a disjunctive tri-license giving you the choice of one of the three following sets of free software/open source licensing terms:
MPL-licensed code can be combined with proprietary files in a single program. It's even "weaker" copyleft than the LGPL.
But developing a driver in the kernel is completely different from developing a printer driver for CUPS. The skills aren't the same. The same guys don't handle the problem.
What do you want the kernel devs to do? "Hey, I don't know anything about printers, but I should be able to do that."
CUPS has a bunch of guys working on the driver issue, too.
If they really want Linux to make any inroad against MSFT then they need to drop the "not my problem" attitude
No one in the kernel camp is saying that. Maybe you should talk to guys at Red Hat, Novell, or Canonical, because they're the ones worried about displacing MS on the desktop. Whatever you do, don't bring this up to Linus.
Quit trying to blame people who don't handle something. It's like yelling about your oven when your refrigerator is broken. Yeah, they're both in your kitchen, and maybe it makes you feel better, but it doesn't do anything to solve the problem, and if you call an oven repairman, then he'll look at you like you're insane.