I'm old enough to remember when Bill Cosby's routine got turned into a sitcom, and recognized it there, too. I understand the process: I was just explaining why the first couple of seasons were good and the later ones changed.
That's because the first few seasons were his comedy routine written into skits. Really. If you watched his stand-up before the show aired, nothing in the first season was new at all.
So you're obviously trolling or ignorant and have never read the GPL. It's a distribution license, not a use license.
Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. The act of running the Program is not restricted, and the output from the Program is covered only if its contents constitute a work based on the Program (independent of having been made by running the Program). Whether that is true depends on what the Program does. -- GPLv2
All rights granted under this License are granted for the term of copyright on the Program, and are irrevocable provided the stated conditions are met. This License explicitly affirms your unlimited permission to run the unmodified Program. The output from running a covered work is covered by this License only if the output, given its content, constitutes a covered work. This License acknowledges your rights of fair use or other equivalent, as provided by copyright law. -- GPLv3
Several courts have completely disagreed with you, by the way.
If you don't agree to the terms of the GPL (which is cool), then you get all your rights under copyright law. You received the program for free. You are allowed to copy it for personal "fair" use. You are allowed to make copies sufficient for the program to run. You don't need to agree to anything to maintain your rights under copyright. Thus, it is not a user license. The GPL explicitly states this and your freedom to not accept the license and continue using the product. A developer cannot sue you for simply using a GPLed program without accepting the license.
If you want to distribute, though, you need to agree to the terms of the license because these rights aren't given to you under copyright law.
An EULA, on the other hand, requires agreement to use the program, or you will need to return the program for a refund.
Finally, EULAs in general don't "grant rights... based on the exclusive rights held by a copyright holder." They only enact restrictions on the rights of the purchaser. The GPL, on the other hand, does not enact restrictions on the rights of the purchaser, and instead "grant rights... based on the exclusive rights held by a copyright holder."
Neither the GPL nor a "EULA" does anything different from the other.
Congratulations. You have equated polar opposites. You are now ready for public office.
They have tons of usability bugs that they ignore right now.
My example:
When Feisty was released, my non-tech friends found a usability problem. When you yanked a USB key without unmounting it first, you were told to right-click and choose "Eject" from the drive menu, but of course there was no "Eject," only "Unmount," leaving a user unable to follow the directions. The problem required a simple string change and a patch was provided.
The bug was quickly and incorrectly marked as a duplicate of another one about the discoverability of unmount, and eventually the whole mess was marked "Invalid." The bug couldn't be fixed because it would have broken translations.
Miranda IM (using the JGTalk plugin and mediastreamer2)
Spark (windows version only)
Kopete (since 0.12)
FreeSWITCH
Jabbin (2.0 beta2)
Psi (experimental support in 0.11)
Gajim (experimental support)
Telepathy Gabble
Freetalk (experimental support in 1.90)
GTalk2VoIP Publicly open Jingle-to-SIP gateway, allows Google Talk and other Jingle based client to make and receive SIP calls.
Talkonaut Free mobile VoIP (mVoIP) software for Symbian and Windows Mobile smart-phones. Based on XMPP and Jingle protocol. Uses a set of narrow-band Speex codecs to fit audio stream into poor GPRS data connections.
The point was that SIP clients will talk to each other. They don't need to be the same client. They don't need to be cross platforrm. Same for XMPP and Jingle. Do you care if your GTalk buddy is using GTalk, Pidgin, or one of the ten other clients that support XMPP?
The cross-platform requirement just doesn't seem to make sense. That's what standards are for.
I'm not a Christian, but according to most evangelical Christians, none of the things you say matter since Christ fulfilled the law through his death. Unless you're trying to talk to Jews, spend most of your debate time on the New Testament. Hint: Paul vs. Peter vs. John is a greatly uncomfortable place to dwell.
Full disclosure: I live in a Buddhist country and am an atheist.
these greed worshipers cannot comprehend any other alternatives then "abject poverty, prostitution, etc" or "back-breaking child labor since the age of 3".
Sometimes there are very few other choices. My mother-in-law dropped out of school in the fourth grade to work to help feed her family. I've personally known 12-14 y.o. factory workers and prostitutes. I've lived in countries where those under ten are put to work, sometimes in prostitution (in the name of "avoiding" AIDS) and sometimes for crime rings.
It's all disgusting and gross. In places where 50% of infants still die before their first birthdays and people lie starving to death or sying of disease on the streets, though, the price of a human life is understandably cheap.
I stopped judging long ago. If a factory comes in and offers a third of what would be paid in a developed country with poor safety conditions and no health insurance, it's still three times what the locals would get anywhere else, and they form lines to get the chance to work those abysmally bad jobs. They don't complain or they get fired. Yes, their bosses get rich, but the families of the workers eat and get to go to school, possibly meaning that the chain of poverty is broken for these few.
So I'll ask the question again. "Have you ever lived in a poor country for a reasonable period of time?" And I don't mean a week in Mexico.
I know you were being tongue-in-cheek, but have you ever lived in a poor country for a reasonable period of time? The choices presented to the population aren't pretty, and you will quickly become confused about the certainties you're preaching on.
Not a TB every month. Close to a TB some months. I don't switch because, as I said, I don't speak their language (Korean), so making any kind of change to a utility is extremely painful.
If I had the same deal in the US, I'd switch in a heartbeat, but then I wouldn't download nearly as much, either.
I'm probably close to a TB some months. I can easily fill a 250GB drive in three to four days. My ISP doesn't cap and has never complained to me (I don't speak their language, anyway). I don't know the max speed on my line because it keeps going up, but I'm going to guess 8-10Mb/s right now. My friend has got 100Mb/s for the same price I pay, but I'm too lazy to change providers and the one I've got now is good enough.
It's misinformation because it's not true. There's is not more grass in NZ than there is in the US.
NZ beef is completely (and I hate the term) 'Free Range', as is not fed any reprocessed animal products (the primary mad cow vector).
There has also never once been a case of this disease in New Zealand.
NZ beef is also not grown indoors (nice mild climate), eats primarily fresh grass (and as a backup, hay), and there are very strict slaughtering and testing regulations.
Through this and from the rest of your post, you seem to imply that these things are generally not true about beef in the US.
Feeding animals to animal has never been popular because the US grows enough corn and soy to feed its own animals, its own people, and still export a huge amount. It's been illegal for ten years, more than enough time for BSE to become symptomatic.
There have only been two cases of BSE in US cattle with the last one being three or four years ago.
As I said before, most cattle are fed grass, because it's economical to do so. They are finished with corn or soy for a few weeks at teh end.
Do you think US cattle are raised inside? The US has vast open area to let them walk around. Heck, practically the entire island of Hawaii is on big ranch. Large swaths of Texas, too.
The US government doesn't control monitoring the slaughter, but it is state regulated and federal officials are there to monitor.
It is agreed that cows under 30 months are least likely to have the disease, have no chance of being symptomatic, and are the safest to eat.
Finally, US beef may be more expensive in NZ, but that's not true in the rest of Asia.
As I said in my previous posts, I like NZ beef I've eaten it in Asia for eight years now. It's good. I'm not spreading misinformation about it. Don't do the same for US beef.
No, I don't remember that at all. Do you live in Korea? The US made an agreement for cows under 30 months, with no nervous tissue. I don't remember them breaking the agreement. I do remember everyone yelling that the US was going to break the agreement because the US wanted to send leftover, diseased, contaminated beef to Korea.
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I'm old enough to remember when Bill Cosby's routine got turned into a sitcom, and recognized it there, too. I understand the process: I was just explaining why the first couple of seasons were good and the later ones changed.
Are you the kind of person who says "I feel badly?" Go ahead. Admit it. You are.
That's because the first few seasons were his comedy routine written into skits. Really. If you watched his stand-up before the show aired, nothing in the first season was new at all.
Or you're just an idiot with no reading comprehension.
Since Jacobsen v. Katzer had nothing to do with what you're talking about, I'm going to stop feeding the trolls.
Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. The act of running the Program is not restricted, and the output from the Program is covered only if its contents constitute a work based on the Program (independent of having been made by running the Program). Whether that is true depends on what the Program does. -- GPLv2
All rights granted under this License are granted for the term of copyright on the Program, and are irrevocable provided the stated conditions are met. This License explicitly affirms your unlimited permission to run the unmodified Program. The output from running a covered work is covered by this License only if the output, given its content, constitutes a covered work. This License acknowledges your rights of fair use or other equivalent, as provided by copyright law. -- GPLv3
Several courts have completely disagreed with you, by the way.
This is the GPLv2 which you must agree to in order to use most of the software on this CD or system.
Except that you don't have to agree to the GPLv2 in order to use the software.
Are you really this dense or just trolling?
... based on the exclusive rights held by a copyright holder." They only enact restrictions on the rights of the purchaser. The GPL, on the other hand, does not enact restrictions on the rights of the purchaser, and instead "grant rights ... based on the exclusive rights held by a copyright holder."
If you don't agree to the terms of the GPL (which is cool), then you get all your rights under copyright law. You received the program for free. You are allowed to copy it for personal "fair" use. You are allowed to make copies sufficient for the program to run. You don't need to agree to anything to maintain your rights under copyright. Thus, it is not a user license. The GPL explicitly states this and your freedom to not accept the license and continue using the product. A developer cannot sue you for simply using a GPLed program without accepting the license.
If you want to distribute, though, you need to agree to the terms of the license because these rights aren't given to you under copyright law.
An EULA, on the other hand, requires agreement to use the program, or you will need to return the program for a refund.
Finally, EULAs in general don't "grant rights
Neither the GPL nor a "EULA" does anything different from the other.
Congratulations. You have equated polar opposites. You are now ready for public office.
They have tons of usability bugs that they ignore right now.
My example:
When Feisty was released, my non-tech friends found a usability problem. When you yanked a USB key without unmounting it first, you were told to right-click and choose "Eject" from the drive menu, but of course there was no "Eject," only "Unmount," leaving a user unable to follow the directions. The problem required a simple string change and a patch was provided.
The bug was quickly and incorrectly marked as a duplicate of another one about the discoverability of unmount, and eventually the whole mess was marked "Invalid." The bug couldn't be fixed because it would have broken translations.
It was a fucking joke.
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The point was that SIP clients will talk to each other. They don't need to be the same client. They don't need to be cross platforrm. Same for XMPP and Jingle. Do you care if your GTalk buddy is using GTalk, Pidgin, or one of the ten other clients that support XMPP?
The cross-platform requirement just doesn't seem to make sense. That's what standards are for.
Call it a Buddhist seminary.
I just ask them to come to my next lifestyle party. ;)
I'm not a Christian, but according to most evangelical Christians, none of the things you say matter since Christ fulfilled the law through his death. Unless you're trying to talk to Jews, spend most of your debate time on the New Testament. Hint: Paul vs. Peter vs. John is a greatly uncomfortable place to dwell.
Full disclosure: I live in a Buddhist country and am an atheist.
these greed worshipers cannot comprehend any other alternatives then "abject poverty, prostitution, etc" or "back-breaking child labor since the age of 3".
Sometimes there are very few other choices. My mother-in-law dropped out of school in the fourth grade to work to help feed her family. I've personally known 12-14 y.o. factory workers and prostitutes. I've lived in countries where those under ten are put to work, sometimes in prostitution (in the name of "avoiding" AIDS) and sometimes for crime rings.
It's all disgusting and gross. In places where 50% of infants still die before their first birthdays and people lie starving to death or sying of disease on the streets, though, the price of a human life is understandably cheap.
I stopped judging long ago. If a factory comes in and offers a third of what would be paid in a developed country with poor safety conditions and no health insurance, it's still three times what the locals would get anywhere else, and they form lines to get the chance to work those abysmally bad jobs. They don't complain or they get fired. Yes, their bosses get rich, but the families of the workers eat and get to go to school, possibly meaning that the chain of poverty is broken for these few.
So I'll ask the question again. "Have you ever lived in a poor country for a reasonable period of time?" And I don't mean a week in Mexico.
I know you were being tongue-in-cheek, but have you ever lived in a poor country for a reasonable period of time? The choices presented to the population aren't pretty, and you will quickly become confused about the certainties you're preaching on.
But it brings up the question of how Dell will continue to offer custom-built machines when the shipping takes weeks.
Hand in your geek card.
Not a TB every month. Close to a TB some months. I don't switch because, as I said, I don't speak their language (Korean), so making any kind of change to a utility is extremely painful.
If I had the same deal in the US, I'd switch in a heartbeat, but then I wouldn't download nearly as much, either.
It was just a joke. Like you have length, then width, then depth. I guess "banddepth" would have been better.
Bandvolume?
I'm probably close to a TB some months. I can easily fill a 250GB drive in three to four days. My ISP doesn't cap and has never complained to me (I don't speak their language, anyway). I don't know the max speed on my line because it keeps going up, but I'm going to guess 8-10Mb/s right now. My friend has got 100Mb/s for the same price I pay, but I'm too lazy to change providers and the one I've got now is good enough.
I doubt I'd find a use for that speed, anyway.
NZ beef is completely (and I hate the term) 'Free Range', as is not fed any reprocessed animal products (the primary mad cow vector). There has also never once been a case of this disease in New Zealand. NZ beef is also not grown indoors (nice mild climate), eats primarily fresh grass (and as a backup, hay), and there are very strict slaughtering and testing regulations.
Through this and from the rest of your post, you seem to imply that these things are generally not true about beef in the US.
It is agreed that cows under 30 months are least likely to have the disease, have no chance of being symptomatic, and are the safest to eat.
Finally, US beef may be more expensive in NZ, but that's not true in the rest of Asia.
As I said in my previous posts, I like NZ beef I've eaten it in Asia for eight years now. It's good. I'm not spreading misinformation about it. Don't do the same for US beef.
No, I don't remember that at all. Do you live in Korea? The US made an agreement for cows under 30 months, with no nervous tissue. I don't remember them breaking the agreement. I do remember everyone yelling that the US was going to break the agreement because the US wanted to send leftover, diseased, contaminated beef to Korea.
Do you have a cite? Do you perhaps live in Korea?