The foudation's name is irrelevent to the format. The foundation understood little about the format and was formed much later. The format would have been approved for ISO without the foundation.
The foundation was just set up so that the original members could start attending meetings. Read the article. That fact's hidden in the middle.
ODF is a standard and, as of now, sits alone in that regard. It's not dead.
Additionally, the CNET article and the descussion there point to the fact that there is too much loss in presentation switching between MS Word and ODF, and that the world needs something better. ODF is NOT a presentation format. It is an office suite format. Geez. Can't they get that?
If they want perfect presentation, use a presentation format like PDF (even make your own international format... I don't care). "ODF wasn't designed with this in mind." No shit, Sherlock! It doesn't make it a bad office suite format.
Yeah, but here in S. Korea, I don't even think they know who Google is. That's pretty impressive. Want to do an internet search? Naver.com. Want a map? Naver. Want a friend's e-mail address? Naver. Shopping? Naver. Jeez. It's everyone's home page. It searches everything in Korea. No one uses anything else.
Troll Mac fanbois? What? As far as I know, I have nothing against Macs or Mac users. I don't think I've ever used the word "fanbois" to talk about a user.
Jefak (JFK) sounds ridiculous? OK You're right. I opened my mouth when I shouldn't have. Being wrong does not equate to trolling, though.
Changing noexec to exec is as easy as modifying/etc/fstab -- not a big deal for a programmer. For the average user, though, mounting/home noexec means that malware (and there will eventually be some) will have an even more difficult time taking root than usual.
Similarly, users who compile from source are not the target audience for the Ubuntu desktop. Still, you're right that it won't work under those conditions. Neither will it work if the user has third-party repositories, but a normal upgrade is likely to break in either of these situations, anyway, so I don't see the real problem. Make the new method an option and explain the benefits and risks of all three methods (clean install, upgrade, and clean upgrade) thoroughly.
A couple of weeks ago, I put in a feature request for Ubiquity (Ubuntu's installer) to back-up/home, take a list of installed apps, wipe and reinstall, then re-install the previous apps. I think it would be a lot less error-prone than a standard upgrade.
It would be even easier if Ubuntu started using a/home partition (set noexec) by default, but they apparently have objections to doing that.
I don't know if you want a monitor as a cube or the Compiz cube, but I'll tell a story related to the latter.
I've had real trouble explaining virtual desktops in the past. I mean, I think I've explained their function well enough, but the people I've talked to have just looked confused. Then the other day, my gal was showing off her new desktop bling to another not-so-computer-literate friend. At first, the friend asked if it was the "new Vista." When Goy did the cube spin, the friend just said "Wow, it has different desktops on four sides of a cube. That's so cool. I could use that." I guess the visualization makes the usefulness extremely obvious. I never would have guessed.
Interestingly, I was reading an article (CNET or something, I don't remember) earlier this week talking about the then upcoming release of Leopard. Paraphrasing, it said "OSX has made great strides over the last few years, and Apple customers have paid through the nose for repeated upgrades." The statement stuck out because the article was entirely pro Apple except for that sentence.
I agree that Apple users tend to upgrade (and pay for it) every cycle.
That's because XP was a point release. 2000 = 5.0, XP = 5.1
From NT4 to 2000 was a major release, and Vista (6) is another.
Lots of people refused to upgrade from 2000 to XP because there wasn't much difference except the interface. In other words, it was a point release and not worth the money. That's the same point as the GP
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It is an acronym. That means you pronounce it. You don't spell it. It's Just like NASA (Nae-Sa, not En, Ei, Es, Ei). Get it right.
The image that entered my head made me laugh out loud, which rarely every happens with Slashdot. The idea of the windows appearing out of and disappearing into a distended anus is hilarious. Congrats, dude!
Wow! He called you a "pretentious little twat" and YOU get modded flamebait, while he sits at his normal, karma-elevated position. Mac fanboys really HAVE taken over the site. (And yes, just like you, I'll be modded to oblivion by some of them in a minute)
Is this sarcasm that went over everyone's head? It's always the first complaint about Linux systems. "I don't want to use a command line!" (I'm a long-time user and prefer the command line for many things,though)
Bob Jolliffe of the department of science and technology, who was part of the working group that compiled the document,... was optimistic about the MIOS document's implementation, saying that it now cleared the playing field for the adoption of government's free and open source software policy.
Apparently there's a long-term strategy to move to FLOSS. The article also mentions that all internal documents will be ODF by 2009. Wow.
I, too keep hearing stories about how bad Vista is, and not just from Slashdot. Cranky Geeks (not a pro-Linux show) went on for five minutes last week about how useless it is.
Still, I walk into any computer store and see only Vista machines for meters and meters. The whole thinig confuses me.;)
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A social network mashup. My god. I think my meter for buzz words just pegged.
Seriously, though, I think Google is working on this.
The foudation's name is irrelevent to the format. The foundation understood little about the format and was formed much later. The format would have been approved for ISO without the foundation.
The foundation was just set up so that the original members could start attending meetings. Read the article. That fact's hidden in the middle.
ODF is a standard and, as of now, sits alone in that regard. It's not dead.
Additionally, the CNET article and the descussion there point to the fact that there is too much loss in presentation switching between MS Word and ODF, and that the world needs something better. ODF is NOT a presentation format. It is an office suite format. Geez. Can't they get that?
... I don't care). "ODF wasn't designed with this in mind." No shit, Sherlock! It doesn't make it a bad office suite format.
If they want perfect presentation, use a presentation format like PDF (even make your own international format
Pronounced with a Korean accent, it sounds the same as "Neighbor." I'm guessing that one was taken, and they took their second choice.
It's in Korean by Koreans for Koreans. That might have something to do with your confusion.
Yeah, but here in S. Korea, I don't even think they know who Google is. That's pretty impressive. Want to do an internet search? Naver.com. Want a map? Naver. Want a friend's e-mail address? Naver. Shopping? Naver. Jeez. It's everyone's home page. It searches everything in Korea. No one uses anything else.
Troll Mac fanbois? What? As far as I know, I have nothing against Macs or Mac users. I don't think I've ever used the word "fanbois" to talk about a user. Jefak (JFK) sounds ridiculous? OK You're right. I opened my mouth when I shouldn't have. Being wrong does not equate to trolling, though.
Changing noexec to exec is as easy as modifying /etc/fstab -- not a big deal for a programmer. For the average user, though, mounting /home noexec means that malware (and there will eventually be some) will have an even more difficult time taking root than usual.
Similarly, users who compile from source are not the target audience for the Ubuntu desktop. Still, you're right that it won't work under those conditions. Neither will it work if the user has third-party repositories, but a normal upgrade is likely to break in either of these situations, anyway, so I don't see the real problem. Make the new method an option and explain the benefits and risks of all three methods (clean install, upgrade, and clean upgrade) thoroughly.
A couple of weeks ago, I put in a feature request for Ubiquity (Ubuntu's installer) to back-up /home, take a list of installed apps, wipe and reinstall, then re-install the previous apps. I think it would be a lot less error-prone than a standard upgrade.
/home partition (set noexec) by default, but they apparently have objections to doing that.
It would be even easier if Ubuntu started using a
As far as I know, every preference in Gnome is able to be set through the command line. An example from the man page:
This sets the default font to Serif 12.
Cheers.
The definition I gave you contained the pronunciation. Read it again.
Are you an idiot, or do you just play one on Slashdot? Pronounce the word. Don't spell it.
I'm afraid you are completely wrong. Google has had the "Export as OpenOffice" for a very long time.
I don't know if you want a monitor as a cube or the Compiz cube, but I'll tell a story related to the latter.
I've had real trouble explaining virtual desktops in the past. I mean, I think I've explained their function well enough, but the people I've talked to have just looked confused. Then the other day, my gal was showing off her new desktop bling to another not-so-computer-literate friend. At first, the friend asked if it was the "new Vista." When Goy did the cube spin, the friend just said "Wow, it has different desktops on four sides of a cube. That's so cool. I could use that." I guess the visualization makes the usefulness extremely obvious. I never would have guessed.
Interestingly, I was reading an article (CNET or something, I don't remember) earlier this week talking about the then upcoming release of Leopard. Paraphrasing, it said "OSX has made great strides over the last few years, and Apple customers have paid through the nose for repeated upgrades." The statement stuck out because the article was entirely pro Apple except for that sentence.
I agree that Apple users tend to upgrade (and pay for it) every cycle.
That's because XP was a point release. 2000 = 5.0, XP = 5.1
From NT4 to 2000 was a major release, and Vista (6) is another.
Lots of people refused to upgrade from 2000 to XP because there wasn't much difference except the interface. In other words, it was a point release and not worth the money. That's the same point as the GP
The image that entered my head made me laugh out loud, which rarely every happens with Slashdot. The idea of the windows appearing out of and disappearing into a distended anus is hilarious. Congrats, dude!
Wow! He called you a "pretentious little twat" and YOU get modded flamebait, while he sits at his normal, karma-elevated position. Mac fanboys really HAVE taken over the site. (And yes, just like you, I'll be modded to oblivion by some of them in a minute)
Is this sarcasm that went over everyone's head? It's always the first complaint about Linux systems. "I don't want to use a command line!" (I'm a long-time user and prefer the command line for many things,though)
The point was that there aren't any XP machines, not that there aren't any Linux machines.
All of them in Korea. I guess they want to appear as up-to-date as possible
Actually, Vista is a selling point in Korea. People are excited about it.
I, too keep hearing stories about how bad Vista is, and not just from Slashdot. Cranky Geeks (not a pro-Linux show) went on for five minutes last week about how useless it is.
Still, I walk into any computer store and see only Vista machines for meters and meters. The whole thinig confuses me.;)