There is no such thing as unbaised news. Unless you watch CSpan there is a bias, and even CSpan is biased in the events it shows. What you want is news with a correctly stated bias.
I've had serious dealings with the police. Your advice is half correct.
You should obviously be respectful, and work to resolve the investigation (assuming your innocent as I always have been). However, never ever ever obey a command by an officer unless (1) you are under arrest or (2) he cites you as being presently dangerous.
Police officers can not issue private citizens commands unless they fear immediate danger to public saftey. They can however ask for your permission and cooperation, which you should grant for most non-objectionable requests.
You can always, at any time, ask for the identification of a police officer. You can ask if they bevieve they have probably cause for a request, and what it is. You can ask if they believe you to be a immediate danger to public saftey. You can, and should regularly, ask if you are under arrest. Until you are under arrest you are not compelled to follow orders by the police.
It's an annoyance I've had to work around several times. It's possible to work around it, but it should be possible to do directly.
Using reflections is cheating period. We've all used it to do real things, but it's still a sign of poor language design when it's required.
Using a lambda expression is also cheating, I don't even know why we are debating that. Also, considering trivial changes to the grammar make this a non-issue, I don't see why it's being defended.
Reflections is not a valid solution (though it does get the job done I'm sure), and a lambda expression is cheating. Either properties are first class or they are not, wrapping them in a lambda expression means they are not.
While we are probably going to have to agree to disagree, there is a distinction between mastering one field (definitely possible to do with books and so forth) and getting a good grounding in the theoretical basics of computer science.
Perhaps another way to say it. The same extremely gifted people we are talking about have two options when they are college age, they can go to college and expand their skill, or they can go to work and expand their skill. At work you will learn a few skills very well, but at college, these same people will master an entire academic discipline. So if your goal is to be a MySQL administrator, then work experience is a good idea. If your goal is to design and implement MySQL, you'll probably want the solid grounding that school offers you. While you might luck out and get a mentor on the job that teaches you everything that a degree would, it is not likely, and despite the size of the average programmers ego, there is only so good you can get without interaction with people better than you.
Also, you seem to think that a university education entails taking classes. If this is so, then you would be underwhelmed by the students that come out. The real value of university is having a place to hang out with professors, grad students, and ugrads that are brilliant. All of you working on expanding your understanding of the field. When you find someone from this group of people, you won't be dissapointed by what they learned at school. Unfortunately, these people comprise about 2-3% of graduates.
Well I think there is a divorce in what we're saying. There are a lot of jobs that don't requre a very expansive knowlege base. In fact, for a lot of things, I'd say job training is the best, and this is the big problem with America's university system (it tries to be everything to everyone, while about 60% of the students just want a piece of paper and won't get real value from learning)
Job's I'd trust a HS grad with: Web programming, MySQL database design (if it doesn't need to be too fast), Windows programming, testing, being a DBA after some training courses, etc. etc.
Job's I'd want a college diploma (ugrad for some, at least masters for most of these) while hiring: Desiging a new communication protocol, vetting the security of an encrption algorithm, developing new programming languages, desigining "complex" windows programs -- e.g. Visual Studio / Word, taking some open source software and throwing together a massive distributed system from scratch (e.g. google or amazon), desigining new algorithms to search the web (these tend to require very advanced maths).
So while yes, there are tons of jobs out there that "work experience" does fine for, when I want a graph theorist, I do not look to people with high school degrees. When I want a VBA coder, HS is perfect.
It's both production and selection. I have always been in the top candidates as a worker. After studying the field, I am now able to intelligently compete with people that make the field (rather than stumble across something interesting and luckily make a niche for myself).
Engineering tend to be better in that regard than what I expect business is like (judging by my experience having to kiss ass like an idiot in most liberal arts classes).
However, there are still failures at teaching in every field, and there are tons of engineering classes worth nothing.
On the other hand, using your own statements, if you spent 4 years of college not going, what is the likelyhood that you will actually care when you get a job? I have no reason to expect you would work hard if I hired you, considering you demonstrated that you didn't work hard at school.
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It is just possible that exclusive universities produce good people, and part of google's success is the fact that they do expects a decent degree or spectacular experience in it's stead.
The "computer industry" has been so anti-degree of late it's not surprising this offends people. But, honestly, every other industry places value on a good degree, so why should we be special in this regard?
Is it just possible that the top 10% of students, after spending 4-5 years studying a field, might actually be more qualified than a high school graduate? I know this is pretty much blasphemy, but honestly, perhaps people should consider this more.
(Note, before anyone replies with a sob story, if you hire people that get C's, expect C work in the world)
Learn to deal. If I wasn't guilty, I am sure I would have no problems in this situation. Know your rights, conduct yourself well, and say nothing you will regret in court.
It's pretty easy to handle yourself without a lawyer for a short while.
Oh come on. I have dealt with the police and feds several times in my life in situations even worse than this.
None of the nonsense you are spouting makes any sense. The police are reasonable if you are. If you are friendly and comply with everything the request, within the leter of the law, it works out fine. Lawyers are always granted, because even if your actually a terrorist, if they fuck off your right to a lawyer you might get off on a technicality. All the law enforcment know this, and will gladly comply with miranda rights to avoid giving you a free ride to do anything without a conviction.
If anyone acuses you of being a child pornographer, and you are not, you will make media again with the slander/libel case.
I strongly suggest you take a few steps outside, away from your conspiracy theories on the internet. You'll find the FBI and police are quite considerate. The media, while discraceful, does generally try to avoid getting sued. When they get letters from your lawyers they tend to clean up their act.
None of the advantages you listed were because Java is run in a virtual machine. Compile time evaluation of almost everything is possible, you just can't use a language that lets you make a pointer to the bit that toggles your keyboard lights with the exact same syntax as you do elementary string operations..
The skillset to make a good web log is not the same skillset to master Lisp. Keep this in mind, many (most) programmers are really not that concerned about actually evaluating their language. They are concerned with getting their particular task done quickly.
I still see this post every time this topic comes up. You do realize you're doing embedded code, a very small market and completely unrelated to normal code?
Also, if you were starting this project today, with no legacy code, and you did not investigate your real time java solutions, you would be doing your company a disservice.
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Not really. She stated her expectations up front, then kept trying to slip one more class definition in. It read like a propaganda piece.
3sat
There is no such thing as unbaised news. Unless you watch CSpan there is a bias, and even CSpan is biased in the events it shows. What you want is news with a correctly stated bias.
Would you want adhoc channels put together by others to your tastes?
If the shows are high quality this works fine.
Would you want just one or two key programmes?
No.
How would you want to get your news/weather?
Neither of these is currently done by the telivision. Nor would I ever watch tv to get this.
What about current affairs/politics?
No.
Are long running independent serials good, or do you want story arcs?
I want character development and plot. I don't care how it's accomplised.
What place the one-off?
What?
I've had serious dealings with the police. Your advice is half correct.
You should obviously be respectful, and work to resolve the investigation (assuming your innocent as I always have been). However, never ever ever obey a command by an officer unless (1) you are under arrest or (2) he cites you as being presently dangerous.
Police officers can not issue private citizens commands unless they fear immediate danger to public saftey. They can however ask for your permission and cooperation, which you should grant for most non-objectionable requests.
You can always, at any time, ask for the identification of a police officer. You can ask if they bevieve they have probably cause for a request, and what it is. You can ask if they believe you to be a immediate danger to public saftey. You can, and should regularly, ask if you are under arrest. Until you are under arrest you are not compelled to follow orders by the police.
3sat
This is complete rubbish. You seem to be of the opinion that being 'optimal' is important to him.
Hint. I don't think his ego is in any way determined by his processor core.
Because I'm looking at it from a language design standpoint.
You can simply run an ipv4 nat as you always have. Then at the nat, switch to ipv6 before sending off to that other network that is 'teh internets'.
Sean
It's an annoyance I've had to work around several times. It's possible to work around it, but it should be possible to do directly.
Using reflections is cheating period. We've all used it to do real things, but it's still a sign of poor language design when it's required.
Using a lambda expression is also cheating, I don't even know why we are debating that. Also, considering trivial changes to the grammar make this a non-issue, I don't see why it's being defended.
Sean
Reflections is not a valid solution (though it does get the job done I'm sure), and a lambda expression is cheating. Either properties are first class or they are not, wrapping them in a lambda expression means they are not.
3sat
Take a delegate of a property.
Oh. You can't. Ever.
3sat
While we are probably going to have to agree to disagree, there is a distinction between mastering one field (definitely possible to do with books and so forth) and getting a good grounding in the theoretical basics of computer science.
Perhaps another way to say it. The same extremely gifted people we are talking about have two options when they are college age, they can go to college and expand their skill, or they can go to work and expand their skill. At work you will learn a few skills very well, but at college, these same people will master an entire academic discipline. So if your goal is to be a MySQL administrator, then work experience is a good idea. If your goal is to design and implement MySQL, you'll probably want the solid grounding that school offers you. While you might luck out and get a mentor on the job that teaches you everything that a degree would, it is not likely, and despite the size of the average programmers ego, there is only so good you can get without interaction with people better than you.
Also, you seem to think that a university education entails taking classes. If this is so, then you would be underwhelmed by the students that come out. The real value of university is having a place to hang out with professors, grad students, and ugrads that are brilliant. All of you working on expanding your understanding of the field. When you find someone from this group of people, you won't be dissapointed by what they learned at school. Unfortunately, these people comprise about 2-3% of graduates.
3sat
Well I think there is a divorce in what we're saying. There are a lot of jobs that don't requre a very expansive knowlege base. In fact, for a lot of things, I'd say job training is the best, and this is the big problem with America's university system (it tries to be everything to everyone, while about 60% of the students just want a piece of paper and won't get real value from learning)
Job's I'd trust a HS grad with: Web programming, MySQL database design (if it doesn't need to be too fast), Windows programming, testing, being a DBA after some training courses, etc. etc.
Job's I'd want a college diploma (ugrad for some, at least masters for most of these) while hiring: Desiging a new communication protocol, vetting the security of an encrption algorithm, developing new programming languages, desigining "complex" windows programs -- e.g. Visual Studio / Word, taking some open source software and throwing together a massive distributed system from scratch (e.g. google or amazon), desigining new algorithms to search the web (these tend to require very advanced maths).
So while yes, there are tons of jobs out there that "work experience" does fine for, when I want a graph theorist, I do not look to people with high school degrees. When I want a VBA coder, HS is perfect.
3sat
It's both production and selection. I have always been in the top candidates as a worker. After studying the field, I am now able to intelligently compete with people that make the field (rather than stumble across something interesting and luckily make a niche for myself).
3sat
Engineering tend to be better in that regard than what I expect business is like (judging by my experience having to kiss ass like an idiot in most liberal arts classes).
However, there are still failures at teaching in every field, and there are tons of engineering classes worth nothing.
On the other hand, using your own statements, if you spent 4 years of college not going, what is the likelyhood that you will actually care when you get a job? I have no reason to expect you would work hard if I hired you, considering you demonstrated that you didn't work hard at school.
Sean
It is just possible that exclusive universities produce good people, and part of google's success is the fact that they do expects a decent degree or spectacular experience in it's stead.
The "computer industry" has been so anti-degree of late it's not surprising this offends people. But, honestly, every other industry places value on a good degree, so why should we be special in this regard?
Is it just possible that the top 10% of students, after spending 4-5 years studying a field, might actually be more qualified than a high school graduate? I know this is pretty much blasphemy, but honestly, perhaps people should consider this more.
(Note, before anyone replies with a sob story, if you hire people that get C's, expect C work in the world)
3sat
Learn to deal. If I wasn't guilty, I am sure I would have no problems in this situation. Know your rights, conduct yourself well, and say nothing you will regret in court.
It's pretty easy to handle yourself without a lawyer for a short while.
Sean
Oh come on. I have dealt with the police and feds several times in my life in situations even worse than this.
None of the nonsense you are spouting makes any sense. The police are reasonable if you are. If you are friendly and comply with everything the request, within the leter of the law, it works out fine. Lawyers are always granted, because even if your actually a terrorist, if they fuck off your right to a lawyer you might get off on a technicality. All the law enforcment know this, and will gladly comply with miranda rights to avoid giving you a free ride to do anything without a conviction.
If anyone acuses you of being a child pornographer, and you are not, you will make media again with the slander/libel case.
I strongly suggest you take a few steps outside, away from your conspiracy theories on the internet. You'll find the FBI and police are quite considerate. The media, while discraceful, does generally try to avoid getting sued. When they get letters from your lawyers they tend to clean up their act.
Or, more fundamentally, Godel put a crimp on this whole discussion about proving and disproving things in the 1930's.
Just thought I'd troll to see if any actual CS majors still read this site (I doubt it).
Ealar
You seem to operate under the false assumption that you are more important than society. You are not.
ealar
Maybe people are more focused on providing features than dealing with C++?
1997 called, it wants it's java back. You might try a JVM written in the last 5 years.
None of the advantages you listed were because Java is run in a virtual machine. Compile time evaluation of almost everything is possible, you just can't use a language that lets you make a pointer to the bit that toggles your keyboard lights with the exact same syntax as you do elementary string operations..
The skillset to make a good web log is not the same skillset to master Lisp. Keep this in mind, many (most) programmers are really not that concerned about actually evaluating their language. They are concerned with getting their particular task done quickly.
I still see this post every time this topic comes up. You do realize you're doing embedded code, a very small market and completely unrelated to normal code?
Also, if you were starting this project today, with no legacy code, and you did not investigate your real time java solutions, you would be doing your company a disservice.
No one cares about games, they are perhaps 0.1% of all development. Why are they perpetually brought up?
Games have no bearing on reality. Not at design time. Not at compile time. And definitely not at playing time.